Pirate Bay Founder Demands Retrial

The lawyer of The Pirate Bay founder Peter Sunde has called for a retrial in the copyright infringement case which saw his client sentenced to a year in jail for copyright infringement.

The move comes after Swedish media reported that Tomas Norström - the judge in the case - is a member of the same copyright protection organisations as some of the main entertainment industry representatives in the trial.

Lawyer Peter Althin revealed that a previous judge had been removed from the case at his request after he was also found to have similar connections, reports Thelocal.se.

"In the autumn I received information that a lay judge could have similar connections. I sent these to the court and the judge was excluded in order to prevent a conflict of interest. It would have been reasonable to then review this situation as well," Althin said.

Norström is signed up to the Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt (Swedish Copyright Association) alongside Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique Wadsted, all of whom appeared representing the entertainment industry in the case against The Pirate Bay.

However, Norström has denied being biased.

For more info please visit NME.Com.

Comments

[beelaal85]

they totally deserve a retrial cause i said so... i live in a shit country where the only way to get access to some cool shit is by downloading!

[StiltonCheese]

It just goes to show you van't be too careful!

[jr8972686]

they deserve the retrial both because of this, and because the guilty verdict was leaked hours before it was officially handed down.

[MrFlibble]

So... this is on Ultimate-Guitar.com because...

[whoa_backoff]

jr8972686 wrote:

the guilty verdict was leaked hours before it was officially handed down.

just like movies are leaked onto the pirate bay lol.

[J.A.M]

whoa_backoff wrote:

jr8972686 wrote:

the guilty verdict was leaked hours before it was officially handed down.

just like movies are leaked onto the pirate bay lol.

Where do you think the verdict was leaked about?

[Naffe]

looks like 4chans been here lol

[Vixtor]

1 year in prison and 30 million, that's even worse then what a rapist gets in sweden.

[whoa_backoff]

J.A.M wrote:
Where do you think the verdict was leaked about?

I don't understand the question. I just think it's funny that the 'leakers' had their sentence leaked.

[ctb]

MrFlibble wrote:

So... this is on Ultimate-Guitar.com because...

"industry news" It's music related.

A year doesn't sound long enough too me. *shrug*

this should be fun.

checked

[ghoztofcasper]

Didn't they try to shut down UG because sharing tab music in America is considered illegal or something? But since UG isn't based in America its cool?

[Metallidethium]

like Lemoninfluence said, this should be fun..UG.com has all weekend with this as a headline article..its only a matter of time before the debate over the morality of downloading music begins and gets ugly lol.

[UnaLaguna]

Ssh. Do you hear that? That is the sound of a thousand terrible trolls heading this way...

[thedarkblues06]

whoa_backoff wrote:

jr8972686 wrote:

the guilty verdict was leaked hours before it was officially handed down.

just like movies are leaked onto the pirate bay lol.

I don't understand that. I guess it's a different system in Sweden. In America, if your verdict was leaked, you could safely bet a lot you would get an immediate retrial, possibly even a judgment NOV, and grounds for an appeal.

[soulflyV]

Metallidethium wrote:

like Lemoninfluence said, this should be fun..UG.com has all weekend with this as a headline article..its only a matter of time before the debate over the morality of downloading music begins and gets ugly lol.

I think he was referring to the bans he was about to hand out when he said 'this will be fun'.

Anyway, I hope these Pirates get themselves a fair trial. I think everyone realises they're boned anyway.

[pak1351]

Pirate bay linked me to .torrent files, google linked me to the pirate bay, my isp linked me to google...

Shit, the internet's going to get shut down

[Bair]

This still doesnt really belong here even if its industry news. the sites major files are all leaked DVD's and cracked software...not music so much.

[deafening]

we're supposed to debate music downloading?
is that why this is here?
im confused

[Vornik]

Bair wrote:

This still doesnt really belong here even if its industry news. the sites major files are all leaked DVD's and cracked software...not music so much.

File sharing has an enormous impact on the music industry. In fact, it is revolutionizing it. This is news concerning file sharing, and it's industry news. Tell me how this doesn't belong.

[Deflection]

GO PIRATE BAY!

[ILuvPillows?]

I will use my axe, to fight for these pirates.

[Blackened57]

Sweden is crap atm... They wanna get a law in so that we only can have a limited internet if we don't pay an extra fee.. Go TPB!

[miketheman401]

i've got a +5 battle axe, let us battle FOR THE BAY!!!!
hahaha

[ashowe]

The system needs to get kicked in the ribs. This is a broken and pointless "industry". Art should not be industry. Let the copyright dicks die.

[Bair]

music aint worth shit, people are stealing 700 dollar software. ill buy the album after i listen to it to support my fav artist...i dont think id do the same for my fav programmer or software distribution company. lol

[Thonium]

Comments made my day..

[UberBenny]

ashowe wrote:

The system needs to get kicked in the ribs. This is a broken and pointless "industry". Art should not be industry. Let the copyright dicks die.

+1

[mooncow67]

"Write on each CDR to copy, rip, burn, repeat"

... Not exactly something you would expect to hear from an artist, especially in today's difficult economic climate, but these are the words of Trivium's own front man Matt Heafy, He's asking and imploring fans to copy, rip, burn and by all means give out Trivium's music

"Let's recreate the tape trade virally and all that sh*t."

This is today and this is the internet, so get out there, grab those CD's Rip them, Copy them, Compile them, cut out the shit you don't like.. Make your own Trivium CD, hand it out, Mail it out, Upload it, Zip it, FTP it... Do it. with today's fast flowing lives with the internet and quick paced progress, now is the time for music to match that and evolve to the next level, get it out let people know what your all about, let people know what type of fan you are !?

[JohnnyRye]

Well, downloading makes a huge impact on the industry, but it's really a win/win for some of us listeners. It sucks that some bands don't manage to get a living out of the music because of downloading, and so split up. But look at it this way: Musicians don't make as much money on selling cd's anymore, this automatically leads to more live shows for fans to enjoy, because this is an experience you can't download from any .torrent. Some bands who used to do 20 shows a year, does 50 nowadays. This decreases the distance between creators and listeners. Which I think is a really good thing, at least for consumers. Kind of exhausting to tour that much for the bands, and this could result in less new material being produced, but hey, if a live concert with my favourite band costs me six months waiting for their new release.. Frankly, I couldn't care less. Every live show I've been to has kicked the studio version's a** anyway...

checked.

[dustyboy316]

mooncow67 wrote:

"Write on each CDR to copy, rip, burn, repeat"

... Not exactly something you would expect to hear from an artist, especially in today's difficult economic climate, but these are the words of Trivium's own front man Matt Heafy, He's asking and imploring fans to copy, rip, burn and by all means give out Trivium's music

"Let's recreate the tape trade virally and all that sh*t."

This is today and this is the internet, so get out there, grab those CD's Rip them, Copy them, Compile them, cut out the shit you don't like.. Make your own Trivium CD, hand it out, Mail it out, Upload it, Zip it, FTP it... Do it. with today's fast flowing lives with the internet and quick paced progress, now is the time for music to match that and evolve to the next level, get it out let people know what your all about, let people know what type of fan you are !?

I agree. The Grateful Dead wouldn't be as big as they were if it wasnt for the tape swapping. This dosen't have to be a problem for artists and some are seeing it now. Most profit for them is from live shows anyways which I do pay to go to.

But anyways that dosen't speak for the software and everything, but why is a computer program upwards of $1000?

[Rimfrost]

whoa_backoff wrote:

J.A.M wrote:
Where do you think the verdict was leaked about?

I don't understand the question. I just think it's funny that the 'leakers' had their sentence leaked.

xD

[shoebox_of_lies]

I think people need to realize that the future of not only the music industry, but also film, software, etc..., will very much revolve around the internet's ability to share, and instead of trying to stop a seemingly unstoppable force, they need to figure out a way to make a gain from it, get some ****ing lemonade out of this lemon bitch.

[psychoskin473]

so if i copy a cd i own and hand it to a friend am i a criminal? Seems like this is the same shit but just a larger scale. Just because the record companies didnt give a **** about file sharing why should there be consequences for the people who get it. This is their consequence for being so ****ing stupid and thinking nothing is gonna happen.

[NorfIrIon]

dustyboy316 wrote:

mooncow67 wrote:

"Write on each CDR to copy, rip, burn, repeat"

... Not exactly something you would expect to hear from an artist, especially in today's difficult economic climate, but these are the words of Trivium's own front man Matt Heafy, He's asking and imploring fans to copy, rip, burn and by all means give out Trivium's music

"Let's recreate the tape trade virally and all that sh*t."

This is today and this is the internet, so get out there, grab those CD's Rip them, Copy them, Compile them, cut out the shit you don't like.. Make your own Trivium CD, hand it out, Mail it out, Upload it, Zip it, FTP it... Do it. with today's fast flowing lives with the internet and quick paced progress, now is the time for music to match that and evolve to the next level, get it out let people know what your all about, let people know what type of fan you are !?

I agree. The Grateful Dead wouldn't be as big as they were if it wasnt for the tape swapping. This dosen't have to be a problem for artists and some are seeing it now. Most profit for them is from live shows anyways which I do pay to go to.

But anyways that dosen't speak for the software and everything, but why is a computer program upwards of $1000?

Because people will pay for it.
I'd say because the people who designed it needed get paid, too, but $1,000 for Flash studio will never be reasonable.

[psychoskin473]

the smart artists will begin to put out their own records, t shirts, posters ect. without having to pay someone who cant play a ****ing note. Good Job Guys Destroy the Establishment

[MaxWantsAGibson]

I buy cd's, but I don't buy a cd before I know the artist... because of downloading, i started buying cd's, and I'm not the only one. Besides, we find out who the real artists and who the moneyseeking bastards are.

[henkka_potku]

Vixtor wrote:

1 year in prison and 30 million, that's even worse then what a rapist gets in sweden.

yeah, what was their crime? making record company bosses cry?

[henkka_potku]

MaxWantsAGibson wrote:

I buy cd's, but I don't buy a cd before I know the artist... because of downloading, i started buying cd's, and I'm not the only one. Besides, we find out who the real artists and who the moneyseeking bastards are.

+1 you took feet from my mouth

[MrJonisen]

whoa_backoff wrote:

J.A.M wrote:
Where do you think the verdict was leaked about?

I don't understand the question. I just think it's funny that the 'leakers' had their sentence leaked.

Funniest thing i've heard today! :P

[Brendan.Clace]

In North America, a leaked sentence, would lead to a mistrial.

[if_you_knew]

Pah, go ahead, do your worst, I use demonoid and mininova anyway and they both have a lot more legitimate use than the pirate bay, so I'll be safe for awhile. Probably doesn't help that the site is called "the pirate bay" as well. Other torrent sites actually downplay the fact that they enable illegal use.

[Rimfrost]

mooncow67 wrote:

"Write on each CDR to copy, rip, burn, repeat"

... Not exactly something you would expect to hear from an artist, especially in today's difficult economic climate, but these are the words of Trivium's own front man Matt Heafy, He's asking and imploring fans to copy, rip, burn and by all means give out Trivium's music

"Let's recreate the tape trade virally and all that sh*t."

This is today and this is the internet, so get out there, grab those CD's Rip them, Copy them, Compile them, cut out the shit you don't like.. Make your own Trivium CD, hand it out, Mail it out, Upload it, Zip it, FTP it... Do it. with today's fast flowing lives with the internet and quick paced progress, now is the time for music to match that and evolve to the next level, get it out let people know what your all about, let people know what type of fan you are !?

why the hell do they sign a record deal if that´s how they want to roll? shouldn´t they just drop the label, instead of asking people to screw the record company that trivium works under? Seems kind of respectless to the people who put a lot of work into the distributing part of the album

[Rimfrost]

i buy a lot of cd´s, i find bands via last fm and myspace, and if i like what i hear, i seek out some albums, don´t really need to hear the entire album before i buy it, that´s basically why we have reviews and singles.

- sorry for bad english, haven´t used the langauge in ages

[asator]

Rimfrost wrote:

i buy a lot of cd´s, i find bands via last fm and myspace, and if i like what i hear, i seek out some albums, don´t really need to hear the entire album before i buy it, that´s basically why we have reviews and singles.

- sorry for bad english, haven´t used the langauge in ages

Your English is perfect.

And these comments are providing great amusement.

[Vornik]

psychoskin473 wrote:

the smart artists will begin to put out their own records, t shirts, posters ect. without having to pay someone who cant play a ****ing note. Good Job Guys Destroy the Establishment

Wow, brilliant idea. You've reinvented economics. Oh, ****, wait... Where do you expect new artists to generate the kind of capital necessary for that investment? There's a reason labels and record companies exist.

[Gorgutz]

I use things like Limewire and demonoid to download individual songs from bands, and then if I like their music enough, I will usually buy the actual physical
CD. I admit, I HAVE pirated a couple games that either were rediculously expensive or rare.

[Metallidethium]

soulflyV :
Metallidethium wrote:

like Lemoninfluence said, this should be fun..UG.com has all weekend with this as a headline article..its only a matter of time before the debate over the morality of downloading music begins and gets ugly lol.

I think he was referring to the bans he was about to hand out when he said 'this will be fun'.

Anyway, I hope these Pirates get themselves a fair trial. I think everyone realises they're boned anyway.

lol oh i know..i dont even get involved anymore. it actually doesnt look too bad so far

[missinglink07]

i usually don't buy cd's: i'm part of the iPod age :P but I do get all of my music through iTunes or similar services.

but as for torrents, the pirate bay doesn't supply the torrents itself, does it? an individual has to upload the torrent first, so wouldn't they be the real criminal here; the person who posted the illegal copies originally?

[kibatsume]

well musicians have said themselves that they make practically no money off their records. Shit, i think it was Kid Rock that said the only way they make money is by live shows cuz the labels take all the money for the records, so downloading hurts the labels more than the actual musicians. I would still recommend buying albums from your fave artists my thought is that if you listen to more than five songs on an album, ill buy it. but im not going to pay $12 for an album that i only like 2 songs off of.

[Waterboy799]

wow 49% spam free...it must be a new all time low for a UG article.

anyway, i don't see why they're being accused for "copyright infringement" they aren't the ones who place the music on the website they merely supply the webspace for these files.

but then again it's no surprise they would be sued. downloading has been putting music stores and companies out of business for years now.

[Shredxmyheart]

Waterboy799 wrote:

wow 49% spam free...it must be a new all time low for a UG article.

anyway, i don't see why they're being accused for "copyright infringement" they aren't the ones who place the music on the website they merely supply the webspace for these files.

but then again it's no surprise they would be sued. downloading has been putting music stores and companies out of business for years now.

It's the same thing as if someone dropped a bunch of people off at your house and you allowed someone else to come in and murder all those people. You supplied the place for these people to be murdered knowing that it's illegal. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I'm totally against the whole Lars Ulrich thing but your analogy is shit.

[MoonBoots432]

Shredxmyheart wrote:

Waterboy799 wrote:

wow 49% spam free...it must be a new all time low for a UG article.

anyway, i don't see why they're being accused for "copyright infringement" they aren't the ones who place the music on the website they merely supply the webspace for these files.

but then again it's no surprise they would be sued. downloading has been putting music stores and companies out of business for years now.

It's the same thing as if someone dropped a bunch of people off at your house and you allowed someone else to come in and murder all those people. You supplied the place for these people to be murdered knowing that it's illegal. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I'm totally against the whole Lars Ulrich thing but your analogy is shit.

The thing about that is it technically isn't against the law in their country. Also, that is exactly what Google does, so what does that mean for Google?

[greatwhiteone]

Google doesn't actually host the files.
and Shredxmyheart is right. ever heard of assisting in murder?

[ratm_fan_06]

We need more Trent Reznors

[1N50MN1A]

Freedom... its not free, its dumb!
FREEDUMB!

the 1500 cd's i own,
the actual artists didnt make shit off of them.
i dont like Kid Rock, but he has a point. : "the record company's have been ripping us off (and the artists) for years!!!"
its the least we can do buying their merch (band) and concert tix!!

Wiki:
The internet:is a global network of interconnected computers, enabling users to share information along multiple channels...

it just so happins we want to share everything, pictures, information, personal info, what we are eating/shitting... how were feeling ECT...

if you want PIRATES TO STOP?
LEGALIZE THE INTERNET ... minus the CHILD PORN AND SICK SHIT!!!

google: Zeitgeist 2 : Addendum and watch 2000+ years of
HUMAN ERROR!!!

goodnight.

[MoonBoots432]

greatwhiteone wrote:

Google doesn't actually host the files.
and Shredxmyheart is right. ever heard of assisting in murder?

Neither does the Pirate Bay.

[1N50MN1A]

ratm_fan_06 :
We need more Trent Reznors

I AGREE.

we need more VOICES...
YOU'LL NEVER SILENCE THE VOICE, OF THE VOICELESS!!!
a play on words?

[The_Raven]

Pfft, PirateBay just hosts. Go TPB

[ænimic]

ctb wrote:

MrFlibble wrote:

So... this is on Ultimate-Guitar.com because..."industry news" It's music related.

A year doesn't sound long enough too me. *shrug*

The guy's getting a huge fine too.

[Vypor]

These guys piss me off, these big music labels and industry's suing the hell out of people and websites for providing a place to download music and movies. I really do agree with everyone that has said that artists make more money from live shows than they do from their cds, A LOT more. and a live show is not an experience you can download onto your computer.

On the other hand. Im pissed off at these companies mainly because they look at downloading music like a bag of chips. I buy a bag of Doritos, and by thier definition, its copyright infringement if I share them with anyone else.
EX: Sorry man, no Doritos for you. I don't want to get sued.

[Twixted]

wat does this hav do wit guitar?

[chippy_666]

why dont bands use filesharing in a profitable way? what if bands upload on file share websites like TPB and make a profit by the website paying them with money they earn from donations and advertisment, might not be much at first but if done corectly could work well

[rancidryan]

MrFlibble wrote:

So... this is on Ultimate-Guitar.com because...

80% of the people here use it

[rasker]

Vornik wrote:

psychoskin473 wrote:

the smart artists will begin to put out their own records, t shirts, posters ect. without having to pay someone who cant play a ****ing note. Good Job Guys Destroy the Establishment
Wow, brilliant idea. You've reinvented economics. Oh, ****, wait... Where do you expect new artists to generate the kind of capital necessary for that investment? There's a reason labels and record companies exist.

that's the thing aint it? the whole establishment where bands get signed and record labels pave the way for them will sooner or later cease to excist. musicias who wants to try to make a living of their music will either have to learn to do most of the marketing and economic stuff themselves or just accept the fact that they let someone else do it for them and in the process take about 80% of their earnings. record companies on the other hand needs to understand that the cd format is dying quickly, and their means of distribution is aswell. digital music is the future and the fact that piracy has become such a big problem lies in the fact that it's the most convienient way for the consumer to get their hand on entertainment. where's the lable run pirate bay which offer the same music catalogue and with prices that reflect what people are willing to pay for the music. as we all know the price of a cd is ridicilous and most people want digital copies of the songs on there anyways.

someone said that pirating is a kind of a civil disobedience to show the record labels that we want things to change. most people are more than willing to pay for the music, but the terms for doing so is not in line with what the consumers want.

[rasker]

man my english is bad..

[Rimfrost]

Vypor wrote:

These guys piss me off, these big music labels and industry's suing the hell out of people and websites for providing a place to download music and movies. I really do agree with everyone that has said that artists make more money from live shows than they do from their cds, A LOT more. and a live show is not an experience you can download onto your computer.

On the other hand. Im pissed off at these companies mainly because they look at downloading music like a bag of chips. I buy a bag of Doritos, and by thier definition, its copyright infringement if I share them with anyone else.
EX: Sorry man, no Doritos for you. I don't want to get sued.

if you had an unlimited supply of doritos that you shared with the entire world, then it would be wrong, and that´s what happens with music. As i see it, the artists might not make most of their money on records, they make some, but the company gets the most, but the company made the record possible, and they´ve put a lot of work and money into the product,so why don´t they deserve any money? The bands sign up at record companys for a reason, if they didn´t need them, they wouldn´t sign up

[berko]

pak1351 wrote:

Pirate bay linked me to .torrent files, google linked me to the pirate bay, my isp linked me to google...

This.

Shit, the internet's going to get shut down

[berko]

pak1351 wrote:

Pirate bay linked me to .torrent files, google linked me to the pirate bay, my isp linked me to google...

This.

*double post sorry*

Shit, the internet's going to get shut down

Rimfrost wrote:

Vypor wrote:

These guys piss me off, these big music labels and industry's suing the hell out of people and websites for providing a place to download music and movies. I really do agree with everyone that has said that artists make more money from live shows than they do from their cds, A LOT more. and a live show is not an experience you can download onto your computer.

On the other hand. Im pissed off at these companies mainly because they look at downloading music like a bag of chips. I buy a bag of Doritos, and by thier definition, its copyright infringement if I share them with anyone else.
EX: Sorry man, no Doritos for you. I don't want to get sued.
if you had an unlimited supply of doritos that you shared with the entire world, then it would be wrong, and that´s what happens with music. As i see it, the artists might not make most of their money on records, they make some, but the company gets the most, but the company made the record possible, and they´ve put a lot of work and money into the product,so why don´t they deserve any money? The bands sign up at record companys for a reason, if they didn´t need them, they wouldn´t sign up

if there was an infinite supply of doritos then you wouldn't need to assign a price to it.

the basis of economics is unlimited wants and limited resources. if the resources become unlimited you don't have a problem.

[pootoob]

the funniest thing about this page: all people who say "I don't speak this language much, sorry for my bad english", etc often have better english than everyone else... Atleast in typing