Venom Vs. Metallica

Blasting-Zone.com recently conducted and in-depth interview with legendary Venom frontman Cronos. Several excerpts are as follows:

Blasting-Zone.com: How do you respond to the controversy surrounding the decision to name the album "Metal Black"? It would seem some people feel the title is simply a rip off of the "Black Metal" name?

Cronos: It's our name to rip off (laughs). At the end of the day, it's ours to do with what we want. I heard people say 'Fuckin' hell! Could you have thought of a better title?' There are fourteen songs on the album, ya know? We could have called the album 'A Good Day To Die'. We could have called the album 'Burn In Hell'. Of course we could have thought of a different fuckin' title. There's a reason why it's called 'Metal Black'. It's because it's in the style of 'Black Metal'. It's Venom returning back to our roots after twenty five years. People will always say there is no Venom like the 'Black Metal' Venom. But we could never do that same thing again. We've moved on as musicians and studio technology has changed? We can't make a muddy album, an album that sounds like crap. If people want that, they should take 'Metal Black', put it on the stereo, turn off all the treble, put all the bass on full and put their headphones in a bucket of water (laughs). Then it will sound like crap. Do they like it better like that? I think some people make comments about things without thinkin' about what they're sayin'. Nobody wants a crap-sounding album.

At this point in your career, what are your feelings on Satanism? Do you feel your beliefs have benefited your career?

I live my life kinda how people would imagine the Devil living his life. I make my own rules and choose to do with my life what I please. I don't follow no fuckin' church dogma about 'believe this, say that?jump when I say jump.' The whole point of Satanism is to have your own head. We've taken that through every aspect of our career. You need to be so fuckin' headstrong because people are gonna tell you, 'Oh, you're doin' it wrong. you gotta do it like this.' Everybody thinks they've got great ideas. Fuck them. The whole point of being a Satanist is not running a round attacking people and being an idiot. That's where the Norwegian guys got it all wrong. Burning churches has nothing to do with Satanism, really. One of the laws is responsibility to the responsible. That's so easy to understand. Walk down the street and bother nobody. If somebody stands in your way, tell them to move. If they don't move, destroy them. How easy it that to understand? People don't even believe in God anymore. The churches are being used as community centers for children who come from poor backgrounds. It's as if there's something wrong with you if you believe in God, ya know? The whole Satanic image is perfect for heavy metal. This is the Devil's music. I don't like all of these lame bands that call themselves metal like Saxon and Samson. Shoving stuff down your pants and putting lipstick on.

What is your overall opinion of the current state of the black metal genre?

Well, it's certainly gone in some weird directions. For me, I think the whole genre should have gotten a new tag anyway. I'm very humbled that Venom has gotten credited with being the influence behind it all. I really think a lot of these guys invented something of their own. For years, people have talked about how Venom has started this and Venom had started that. We don't necessarily look at it like that. We look at is as if we were more of a catalyst. It was going to happen anyway, we just came along and kicked it in first. We just kicked the door down and everybody ran it after that. Every scene has its peaks and its troughs. I don't think the scene has gone completely, I just think it's waning a bit. It's going to be up to the bands that are involved with it to either make something of it or roll over because shit happens and nothing last forever. Every extreme scene kinda loses its impact after a while. As soon as you show people how the magic trick works, it's no longer magic, is it? That's kinda how the death and black metal scenes are goin' at the minute. These bands haven't come up with anything new. It's just the same old, same old.

What are your current touring plans?

Quite a lot, actually. We've always believed that people didn't want see Venom if we didn't have the show. It just seems that so many people's opinions have changed because there are some many places where Venom has never been. Not all of our fans can travel a thousand fuckin' miles to come see us. It just seems so odd that after twenty five years, there a just so many places that we've never even been. It's time for us to open our ears and take in a little bit of what's going on around us. We've got a lot of festival dates lined up and of course we're gonna do all the pyro and the whole shebang, but I think we should also try to do some of these other concerts as well, just to see how it goes. Some kid who can barely afford the price of the ticket can't come a long way to come see us. We're gonna try to get the best of both worlds when it comes to playin' live. One of the things that has been getting' talked about is a tour of the States with Venom, Slayer and Exodus. How cool would that be? When people start talkin' about things like that, things they haven't seen in forever, we're just like, 'Get Slayer on the phone so we can set it up?'

I think that tour would do very, very well?

I do believe so. We could even see if Metallica wanted to open for us. Actually, we couldn't do that because they're crap (laughs). I think they need to take the word 'metal' out of the name.

Find the entire interview at Blasting-Zone.com.

Comments

[desimate]

well hes fairly upfront about hi views on metallica aint he.

A venom, slayer and exodus tour would be very kool

[mustiebalzak]

go satan guy!

[CKJLtallica]

Metallica Will Rule All...BLAH

-Dr€w

[Mistress_Ibanez]

well i don't think metallica are crap

[prsfloyd]

Who the hell is venom and why are they even mentioned in the same breath as Metallica

[Rune Playaz]

prsfloyd wrote:

Who the hell is venom and why are they even mentioned in the same breath as Metallica

amen

[roumen]

satanism is for idiots, if you wanna "shock" people and be anti-church just be an atheist, just say you dont believe in stuff like that
but its so immature to think if you take the opposite side it would be cool
people should refresh their memories and think about what Satan stands for, its not a stupid demon, its a CONCEPT, of everything wrong

im no believer i just think any kind of religion is something of the past

and btw, what he described as satanism shouldnt be even called that, as i said, the concept totally doesnt match what he's saying

[benjaminr]

this is just one of those things where someone is jealous of someone else being way better than them.

[King ofKumbucha]

Too bad Metallica is God or he would've come off sounding clever rather than a piece of shit (like Venom's music imo).

[shenanigans]

Too bad noone has heard or really even cares about Venom. I also have heard they are horrible at thier instruments, and a band that saw them play once couldnt watch them because they couldnt even play thier songs. You also should never talk bad about other bands in public interviews like this, especially one that is 99% more than you are.

[shenanigans]

*more succesful

[xxadamnxx]

this was a very misleading title for the article..

[masterofmuppets]

Excellent review

[satanisgod666]

venom! yeah! hoorgghh! all for black metal! anyway.. i think what he was referring to was not satanism at all. it's agnosticism or could be atheism. but what he said about being like that was indeed right. i say, agnostic rock n roll for that! haha!

[satanisgod666]

just as my id says.. it actually means neither of the two exist.. of course i dont believe in god.. i cant believe in satan too.

[bloke]

and btw, what he described as satanism shouldnt be even called that, as i said, the concept totally doesnt match what he's saying

actually i used to be quite into satanism, well i was into reading out about different religions etc. and what he said was nearer to what being satanic is really about.. people glorify it for being a red devil or against christianity, there are lots of cliched kids out there that think thats what its about, but from what i've read in the past he has quite a good general attitude to it, it is what it is you know, thats why satanism can be slightly appealing, you take from it what you want... its not a live by my law or **** off kindof thing..

[MetalPunch]

Metallica hasn't always been a big main stream band. I have been a die hard Metallica fan since Mustaine was still with them. And for anyone in a crap ass band like Venom to even make a referemce to Metallica is plain out just pointless. I know both those bands, and in a choice of concerts I am positive that anyone would rather go to see Metallica. Except for maybe gothic and satan worshiping anti-flag little inmature 12 year olds.

[i_am_iron_man09]

dude, who is venom? and are they really any good? i'm a metallica fan, and it's nothing against venom, but maybe once they've contributed as much to metal as metallica has, then they can make a semi-relevant claim such as this.

[wallyyfm]

na, he bashed them

[i_am_iron_man09]

i was trying not to exagerate (sp)

[Kirk Hammett55]

Metal is satans' music?! WHAT THE FUCK!? Just because you believe in God doesn't mean there aren't times in your life where you don't want to slit your wrists wide open, or beat the shit out of somebody, or get some aggression out, OR bang your head like a mad man. Which is what "Metal" is all about, last time I checked! \m/ Kickin' ass for Jesus!

[CannibalBirth]

To people who don't know Venom they not only created black metal, but thrash metal as well. They have influenced a lot of bands like Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Metallica themselves. Metallica's biggest influence on Kill em All was basically Venom. Must be kind of weird having one of your influences calling you crap.

[Covin]

*agrees* There is some good Christian rock out there.

[Kirk Hammett55]

\/ Peace

[RHCP_FAN88]

roumen :
satanism is for idiots, if you wanna "shock" people and be anti-church just be an atheist, just say you dont believe in stuff like that
but its so immature to think if you take the opposite side it would be cool
people should refresh their memories and think about what Satan stands for, its not a stupid demon, its a CONCEPT, of everything wrong

im no believer i just think any kind of religion is something of the past

and btw, what he described as satanism shouldnt be even called that, as i said, the concept totally doesnt match what he's saying


buddy... that IS what Satanism is... I've read the Satanic Bible... not because I am, but because after I got into Metal I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Satanism isn't about killing people and shit, the main principle is to fuel your ego and do what makes you feel good as long as it doesn't stop someone else from feeling good...

[i_am_iron_man09]

[quote]CannibalBirth wrote:

To people who don't know Venom they not only created black metal, but thrash metal as well. They have influenced a lot of bands like Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, and even Metallica themselves. Metallica's biggest influence on Kill em All was basically Venom. Must be kind of weird having one of your influences calling you crap.


especially when everybody knows that metallica isn't crap

[patduganz]

Did you know that Venom also influenced the end of communism, the election of the new Pope, the cancellation of the TV show 'Home Improvement' and many other wonderous things?

They tuned to c#, they didn't do much more than make their guitars sound like ass.

[Portuguese_boy]

Fuck those satanic *******s, they dont even deserve to say metallica. Fuck those ****heads anti-christ. God is up there, and hes gonna kik your satanic ass

[Daffodil Lament]

Cronos said 'A Good Day To Die'
The name of the song is actually 'A Fine Day To Die'
Just thought I'd point that out, I thought it was amusing.

[RockDragon]

Venom suck ass, as do all black/death/thrash/whatever the **** you wanna call it metal bands, but i gotta agree, metallica do suck ass. James Hetfield is the worse singer ever, kick him out, bring back Mustaine and you got yaselves a band.

[I-AM-NOT-GOD]

venom completly own metallica, their like david's baby son and goliaths harder brother there that much better the shitallica

[roumen]

to RHCP_FAN88:

what i meant to say is, the term 'satanism' is poorly chosen, if you look at the concept of satan by itself, how can you compare it to
"do what makes you feel good as long as it doesn't stop someone else from feeling good"

they shouldve chosen a different name, cause to me, it just seems they chose Satan cause of the shockvalue
--> people who feel insignificant and try to stand out by shocking, thus rejecting the accepted norms and values

[psykopoo]

Venom are absolutely dire shit, i mean, if his opinion as a person is that metallica are shit enough, but here its Venom vs Metallica, and theres no competition at all Metallica kick their ass. And as for that slayer exodus and venom tour, take venom off and im there.

[ALKoHoLiK]

I-AM-NOT-GOD wrote:

venom completly own metallica, their like david's baby son and goliaths harder brother there that much better the shitallica

Right.. and how so? Musically talented? Not even ****ing close..
Also who the **** is Venom? Been around 25 years, and I haven't even heard of those dumb****s.. I had a ton of friends that enjoyed Black Metal, and that name hasn't popped up once.. Venom at best is a mediocre band with mediocre talents trying to spread there name (just like everyone other ****ing newbie band) by bashing an amazing band.. wether it be Metallica, Black Sabbath, or Ozzy..

Venom needs to do what they do best, keep their mouths closed and continue to stay in the shadow of other bands that don't need to bash other bands to have their band in the bright lights for 5 mins

Sad..

[Portuguese_boy]

venom completly own metallica, their like david's baby son and goliaths harder brother there that much better the shitallica

HA HA HA HA all i can do is laught at you, how the **** is a shity band like Venom better then Metallica, dude they suck, james hetfield can kik their ass with his cool metal voice, kirk will own them with his solos, ulrich will put his drumsticks in their ass, and robert will make them eat their mom's shit with his bass lines

[PantsOnFire]

roumen :
to RHCP_FAN88:

what i meant to say is, the term 'satanism' is poorly chosen, if you look at the concept of satan by itself, how can you compare it to
"do what makes you feel good as long as it doesn't stop someone else from feeling good"

they shouldve chosen a different name, cause to me, it just seems they chose Satan cause of the shockvalue
--> people who feel insignificant and try to stand out by shocking, thus rejecting the accepted norms and values

the belief that they should do what feels good is the opposite of what christians believe, which is doing what God says is good. thats why they call themselves satanists, they are the opposite of christians.

[SoundInTime]

Metallica in their thrash days were untouchable,
now they suck satan's cock. Venom should be more respectful to a band that put out some of the greatest metal albums of all-time. (Even though they should take metal out of their name) NuMetallica

[nothingface187]

Portuguese_boy wrote:

Fuck those satanic *****s, they dont even deserve to say metallica. Fuck those ****heads anti-christ. God is up there, and hes gonna kik your satanic ass

dude you really need to open your mind, and watch the History Channel and the The Discovery Channel once and while, there you'll will learn about Satan, God and Jesus. So quit being so ****en close mind.

[wabusy33]

i agree with the guy, metallica isn't worthy enough of opening for venom.

[Grimme]

Big headed ****s, they may have "created" Black/Death metal, but they certainly don't own the genre.

[homerjaysimpson]

satan is boring

[i_am_iron_man09]

i don't see why music has to be about conflicting religions at all, really.

[Kaziglu Bey]

Metallica ****in suck!

They haven't been relevant in 15 years. They certainly aren't metal anymore, Cronos is right.


Venom/Slayer/Exodus tour would be like a ****in nuclear holocaust!!! Bring that tour on!!!

[thewiserafiki]

Venom is simply unlistenable to me, and i don't think they should be talking crap about metallica. But in their defense, no one can blame them for ripping off metallica with the album name because metallica copied "This is Spinal Tap"

[Scazzaman3000]

why exactly did he start dissin them in the first place?

[SoundInTime]

He needs publicity for the new album

[SumGreenNOFX182]

xxadamnxx wrote:

this was a very misleading title for the article..

Agreed.

[pitbull510]

Why could'nt he just be cool and all the Metal-Stars just get along and go on a wicked-ass tour and come to California? Even though some of Metallica's stuff is crap.

[pitbull510]

BTW, UG is exagerrating the whole venom vs. metallica, it's like their just trying to start a feud.(goddamn!)

[davidlp888]

"If someone doesn't get out of your way; destroy them!" HAHA! Maybe they are blocking his path to tell him that over-the-hill, middle-aged, balding Geordies who call themselves names such as 'Cronos' and wear dodgy skin tight leather with studs and try to throw criticism at bands who are FAR better than them should stay indoors to begin with. If Cronos goes around destroying too many people then sooner or later he wont have anyone to trick into buying his new album by starting fights with Metallica.

[mustiebalzak]

prsfloyd wrote:

Who the hell is venom and why are they even mentioned in the same breath as Metallica

Venom have been around longer than metallica.

[The Unforgiven]

SoundInTime wrote:

He needs publicity for the new album

Agreed.

[the_clairvoyant]

WHO IS VENOM?
saying metallica sucks is like saying u dont like metal.

[Crowleyson]

good to see metal still has some balls. i think its sweet that he called metallica out. they haven't made a good album in almost 16 years.

[Justice-For-All]

Venom suck my ass, LOL I didn't even know this joke of a band was still playing.

[SlashRules]

the_clairvoyant wrote:

WHO IS VENOM?
saying metallica sucks is like saying u dont like metal.

correction: saying OLD metallica sucks is like saying you don't like metal

new stuff: def. NOT metal

[colm c]

if you dont know who venom are you shouldnt be callin yourself a fan of metal!

[edibledevilboy]

Venom is ok. Nothing atall legendary, and certainly nothing compared to metallica - and i'm not a even a metallica fan really. Black Metal is in the dumps right now cos there's nothing in it, and never was. And this guy's got a HUGE ego for someone who's band has been entirely forgotten by any fans they once had.

AND if Venom researched into their own religion, they would know that Satan wants to torture them as well as anyone else for all eternity, they'd know if they actually wanted to know something of the topic, but instead it's all talk so they look as if they have balls

[Daredevil4714]

I'll bet Venom masturbates to MOP.

But seriously, he needs to shut the hell up.

misanthropy

spam deleted, no flaming members.

[roumen]

PantsOnFire wrote:

the belief that they should do what feels good is the opposite of what christians believe, which is doing what God says is good. thats why they call themselves satanists, they are the opposite of christians.

in fact its the same: it says "do what makes you feel good as long as it doesn't stop someone else from feeling good" --> this means you shouldn't just do whatever you feel, you should consider other people first, then do what you like
just like in christianity

all ideologies and religions contradict themselves, this aint no exception

[JonnyBhoy]

Idiots..who the hell are Venom and why are they calling Metallica crap?

[roumen]

btw, davidlp888, well said! made me laugh cos its true

RHCP_FAN88

spam deleted, no flaming members.

[geetarguy92]

wtf ar we talking about satanists on a guitar forum for???? and also who are vemon never heard of the guys n ther singer should pull his head out his ass n stop alkin so much ****

Portuguese_boy wrote:
so shut the **** up

*WARNING. stop spamming up the article.

SoundInTime

deleted. no flaming members.

[Grimme]

Because metal music is the music of the devil...
Lets be honest here, who has actually HEARD [listened to] Venom NOT heard of them, do any of us actually have a fair opionion on this matter.
I point you all to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_%28band%29,
seems like they did quite a lot, this part is especially interesting,
"Mayhem, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Testament, Hellhammer, Morbid Angel and even Slipknot cite Venom as a major influence."

[wingedgopher]

this guys a ****ing tool

[lykeorbzorkor]

in christianity, you've got a shepherd and you got a bunch of sheep. in satanism, everyone is a shepherd. that's really there is to it.

[KeptFresh]

This is a nice debate, but if anyone would like to state that Venom was a major influence on Metallica and Black Sabbath (laughing out loud)should do thier homework, since Venom's debut album "Black Metal" (1982) was was about 10 months shy of the release of Kill em' All (Metallica's debut). They also toured together in support of both thier debut albums.
The point being, if Venom was nearly as talented or musically inclined as Metallica, we would be speaking of Venom independently rather then in association with Metallica.

[phoenix_88]

sorry to post twice
but Grimme is right.

you can definately hear where some of Kill Em All came from in their music and a lot of Megadeth, especially in some of the vocal lines.

phoenix_88 wrote:

i don't know them either, don't go in Hot Topic, and don't listen to the radio

YAY STERE0OTYPING.
anyways.
never really listened to venom, from what i can tell, not crazy about them. But they shouldn't be bashing bands like that really.
whoopdeedoo
St. Anger was out of the norm. OH MY GOD. THEY CAN'T EXPERIMENT IN OTHER GENRES OHHH NO.

get over yourselves, get over Metallica, and enjoy the music.

It's Venom returning back to our roots after twenty five years. People will always say there is no Venom like the 'Black Metal' Venom.

to be honest..
listening to a lot of their recordings from the past

i don't see them slightly straying from their roots.

title is misleading.

post edited.

[cap'nkirk]

prsfloyd wrote:

Who the hell is venom and why are they even mentioned in the same breath as Metallica

You're kidding right? Venom is a pretty important band in the history of metal. I'm not down with the satanism thing, but Venom is one of the hardest bands to ever walk the planet. I don't know what he's deal toward Metallica is though, whatever. Cronos worked with Dave Grohl on Probot and I don't see how Dave is more metal than Metallica. Eeh, whatever... Venom's reign passed 20 years ago, mainly because of bands like Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer... actually that's probably the problem.

[cap'nkirk]

colm c wrote:

if you dont know who venom are you shouldnt be callin yourself a fan of metal!

amen brotha...

[glass_heart_LG]

I have not heard venoms muisic (tho i have heard of them), so im not guna dis them. However i feel that u cant just call metallica crap they have been a big influence to so many bands. And no guitarist can call metallica crap (listen to the one solo and ull know what i mean).

[dimebag7]

yeah **** them, metallica would tool them. THEY SHOULD BE THE FIRST SHOW OUTTA 6 OTHER BANDS

METAL BLACK
SOME BAND
BAND
I KNOW THEM BAND
THIS BAND IS GOOD
FUCKING RIGHGHT METALLICA!

[Y-y-yeah]

goddamn this dude says crap in the article a lot, takes crap to know crap, just kidding

[undead_bunny]

Bwhahaha, I love Cronos.

[Metallica708]

maybe he shouldn't have ripped off metallica then

Metallica - Black Album
Venom - Metal Black

See where i'm coming from?

[s0Lid $nAkE]

he shud say that they're crap to their face
james is gonna beat the holy shit out of him lol

[a real DEAD one]

Im a huge metalhead Ive NEVER heard of venom. i know all sorts of music ans bands and otehr artists but Ive never heard of them. That usually means that if they did something important it benefited shitty music.

[MetalPunch]

To put it simply, Venom sucks. Their music is crappy and annoying. Where as Metallica, even though, most people including myself didn't like the last couple of albums, they still have alot more talent than some shit little band like Venom. You can tell, even in their newer music, that the music and lyrical talent is still there. But for a band like Metallica, once you make an album like their first three, it is kind of hard to maintain the fire. I have seen Metallica live, not too long ago, and while I agree, their new music isn't all that great, they can still ****in keep up with their old shit, proving that if they could just get their shit together, they could have another Master of Puppets caliber album. To put this even more simple, as sucky as everyone claims Metallica has gotten, you ****ers still buy the albums and still listen. making Metallica alot more popular and more talented than the shit little band Venom.

[ToolBass_dude]

So a snide comment almost as an afterthought gains this post the title of "Venom vs. Metallica"?

Come On...

Although the thing about Satanistic beliefs was cool reading.

[ToolBass_dude]

Metallica708 wrote:

maybe he shouldn't have ripped off metallica then

Metallica - Black Album
Venom - Metal Black

See where i'm coming from?

remember that "The Black Album" wasn't the official name though- it was actually titled "Metallica", so not really ripping it off, seeing as they are black metal an' all...

[MetalPunch]

FUCKING AMEN! Kurtallica Metallica to the ****in end!

[?! the 2nd]

omg, just because venom hasnt sold millions of records or isnt on the radio doesent make them bad. im a big metallica fan but if any band can bash them venom can. like someone said before, kill'em all is influenced by venom. they are mostly responsible for all the extreme metal bands today.

[.:KrAmJaN:.]

Both Venom and Metallica are great bands IMO. But i don't think Venom should be bashing metallica after all they are thrying new things just like Venom.

[mick1681]

LOL Metallica opening for Venom? Thats a laugh. Maybe they could tour together though....Venom can get the drinks for Metallica :...you dont call Metallica crap...show some respect

[Rocker_16]

Yea i neva even heard of venom till this little thing so i cant really comment, but metallica rulez

[saucehead]

I like how all you dumbshits who know nothing about Venom or have never heard of them instantly pass judgement and say Metallica is better. I'm sure a number of you have never heard of Diamond Head, Saxon, or Sweet Savage either. These bands influenced Metallica and because they never sold millions of albums doesn't mean they are shit.

[rush4life]

I like both of them, but I just LOVE the blind Metallica defending in this thing. "I've never heard of Venom, so Metallica is WAY better!" Some people need to grow up and actually try to learn something about a band before they bash it.

[69.so.fine]

What a stuck-up *******.

[metalhead089]

i can believe how many ****ing people dont know about venom you cant say metallica its better than venom if you dont know them because on the cliff em all dvd they claim venom as a big influence. ignorant muther****ers whatever i like both bands

[Alucard II]

meant to say this above, but this could well be a case of sarcasm not coming across in an interview. if not...well, free speech.

[AcrosstheTracks]

Only UG would take the last small paragraph of an interview and create a provoking title for the whole article out of it. But I'm sure more people have looked at it as opposed to if it was "Interview with Cronos from Venom", if not only to defend their beloved Metallica. Sneaky journalism.

[Jimothy]

He's right about the Satanist thing, I was on the site a few months ago and one of the like '9 commandments' was "You must not harm little children". HAIL SATAN!!!

[ooblah]

Satanism is a desperate attempt to be different and unique when in reality its just a bunch of bullshit.

[Jimothy]

And another thing. If this next Metallica album is as bad as the last one, I'm just gonna lose faith completely.

[Jimothy]

Satanism is a desperate attempt to be different and unique when in reality its just a bunch of bullshit.

Yeah, I mean you can have your own head and still not label yourself a Satanist.

[joshjhasarrived]

1. Who the hell are Venom?
2. WTF! This article has NOTHING to do with Metallica!
3. Metallica is the greatest metal band ever.
4. OK what that guy is talking about is NOT Satanism, it's atheism!
5. If you're a "Satainst", I kinda feel bad for you.
6. HOW DARE YOU INSULT METALLICA?!
7. Ok I think thats about it...

[ollerom_mot]

Wow, I don't know many bands that would bash Saxon and Metallica in the same interview.
Ha, I don't really know Venom so I can't say anything about them, but I'm a fan of Saxon and "lica" so I guess maybe I wouldn't like them...
I like Exodus and Slayer too, though...

[MetallicAhead]

ive never heard of 'em but if he loves satan and dis respects possibly one of the greatist metal bands of all time then they must be realy cool * sarcasam*

[Voxel Mitosis]

Why do people say Metallica is one of the greatest metal bands ever? Because they were the most popular?

[thefinalcut]

Wait, wait, wait! Hold on and one minute here, one f*ckin' minute! On any other Metallica article, everyone on UG bashes them to bloody 'ell...I love how everyone suddenly did a 180 and jumps the bandwagon, and are Metallica's biggest fans.

Ever hears of the expression "bit the bullet"?

[Dirtydeeds468]

Ok. This is ****ing retarded. How many of us are actually bothering to talk about THE ARTICLE?!!

Fuck man, If I wanted to hear a bunch of guys arguing about Metallica, I'd go...outside.

Must I spell it out here?

Some people like Venom.
Some people like Metallica.

Everyone is different! Hooray for Non-Conformatism!

[Sixpounder]

What the **** i thought this was gonna be about Metallica, not fukin some gay band whos only pissed because they havent sold a quarter of the albums Metallica has sold. Metallica kicks any bands ass, new or old.

[coverpage]

Okay let me just say this some guy said that Venom created thrash metal, well they may have but they sounded like trash. Metallica took what they heard, which wasnt much, and made it their own. VENOM is not even in the same league as metallica, in terms of musicianship, band organization, and live performances. For venom to call Metallica crap, is like Jessica SImpson calling Albert Einstein an idiot. VENOM should just keep thier mouth's shut about Metallica. CAN YOU TELL I LIKE METALLICA?!

[HellrzngPinhead]

Is it my imagination or did he mention Samson? THIS ISNT FUCKING 1982 YOU ASSHOLE AND ACT YOUR FUCKING AGE YOU WERE LIKE 50 BACK THEN WHEN I WAS IN DIAPERS.

[nirvana4lf]

metallica kinda sucks now, but he shouldnt be going and dissing metallica, its just retarded and assholish

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[genresrforposer]

ummm.... is it 1983/marylin manson's mid 90s teen rebellion era again or am i the only 1 who thought the satanist fad ended a looooong time ago?

[WeirdMariachi]

Wait, wait, wait! Hold on and one minute here, one f*ckin' minute! On any other Metallica article, everyone on UG bashes them to bloody 'ell...I love how everyone suddenly did a 180 and jumps the bandwagon, and are Metallica's biggest fans.

Ever hears of the expression "bit the bullet"?

This guy took the words right out of my mouth, how funny that these are the same people making fun or Lars when he got pissed on, and now the same "fans" are defending metallica by saying they are the greatest band ???

Its obvious you guys are still in middle school.

[virtuosox86]

all good things must come to an end and thats how it for metallica but theyre the best metal band evr they sell a million albums a year venoms albums combined havent evn sold the amount black or and justice for all did

[Moldedwurm]

Cronos is a FOOL!!! He said that "The whole point of being a Satanist is not running a round attacking people and being an idiot." Then he's attacking Metallica with such an insult.. Fuck Cronos!!! Fuck Venom!!! Metallica Rules!!!

[Sliverjay]

who the hell are venom?????/

[genresrforposer]

WeirdMariachi wrote:

Wait, wait, wait! Hold on and one minute here, one f*ckin' minute! On any other Metallica article, everyone on UG bashes them to bloody 'ell...I love how everyone suddenly did a 180 and jumps the bandwagon, and are Metallica's biggest fans.

Ever hears of the expression "bit the bullet"?


This guy took the words right out of my mouth, how funny that these are the same people making fun or Lars when he got pissed on, and now the same "fans" are defending metallica by saying they are the greatest band ???

Its obvious you guys are still in middle school.

i hate lars. i love metallica's music. actually i don't have to explain myself since ive never bashed tallica's music but tha ppl who bash lars but praise tallica arent hypocrites since lars' personality n metallica's music r seperate issues.

n while i agree that there is much more support for tallica than there usually is on here, it probably has sumthing to do w/ tha fact theyre being compared to a lesser known band that isn't megadeth so it's much easier to take their side.

ps

while ive never heard venom's music i never heard that black metal influenced metallica. ive heard new wave of british metal n hardcore punk rock. ive never even heard the terms black metal or venom mentioned in a metallica biography, article, website etc.

bands that were mentioned: misfits, slayer, anthrax, motorhead, deep purple(lars' fave band)

n metallica have always noted motorhead as 1 of their biggest influences so i dought venom had that much impact

[Cliff_Hetfield]

I never heard of these Jackasses until three days ago. On this site! Anyways I wouldn't be talkin' about who's crap and who's not, specially when you're talkin' about one of the most successful bands.

[Powerhouse]

Black metal sucks.

[ReignInBlood666]

metallica used the guitar riff from venoms buried alive for one, so venom can say whatever the hell they want about craptallica

[hooligan354]

Y'know what's funny about this? The fact that Cronos(?) has to open his trap and verbally sling mud at the metallikats instead of letting the music speak...
oh, right....because the music doesn't speak
Damage Inc. forever!!!

[Sanitarium24]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Metallica fan, but most of you don't know just how influential Venom is with metal music, even on Metallica.

[a real DEAD one]

saucehead wrote:

I like how all you dumbshits who know nothing about Venom or have never heard of them instantly pass judgement and say Metallica is better. I'm sure a number of you have never heard of Diamond Head, Saxon, or Sweet Savage either. These bands influenced Metallica and because they never sold millions of albums doesn't mean they are shit.

your name is saucehead, you dont know what your talking about.

[xgrindcorex]

Metallica is terrible, get it through your thick, ignorant skulls. Talentwise, they are overrated. They make generic uninspired music that sounds terrible. Every member of the band is a comple jerk-off. And last, but not least, they are nowhere near being one of the best thrash metal bands, let alone alone one of the best metal bands. For christs sake, everything after kill em' all was barely thrash.

[oshkoshshred311]

Dudes honestly now.....Sabbath pioneered metal....Metallica reinvented and perfected it....no matter what they do now...it doesn't change what they have done.....tell cronos it takes a lot more than just his satanic anger and mediocre riffs to make good metal. Oh and by the way I'm catholic and I can tell ya straight up that God created the devil....so he sure as hell could kick his ass...how's that for metal.....cronos is the poser....not metallica.

[ddvdga]

Ok, im not the biggest venom fan, but I definatly know who they are. Anyone who says they suck is a retard, besides inventing black metal, they influenced so many other bands. As other people have said you can hear their influence in kill 'em all. And maybe the reason they never sold as many albums as Metallica is because they didnt sell out like money hungry *******s. Seriously, if you have never heard of Venom, you have no right to call yourself a metal head. Stop listening to slipknot and learn some real metal

[hooligan354]

another note....what has Venom done for metal - I don't know about you kats but the revolution started in the early '80's with Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth and to a lesser extent Testament.

That my friends, was the door opening to the world of metal.

[a real DEAD one]

oshkoshshred311 wrote:

Dudes honestly now.....Sabbath pioneered metal....Metallica reinvented and perfected it....no matter what they do now...it doesn't change what they have done.....tell cronos it takes a lot more than just his satanic anger and mediocre riffs to make good metal. Oh and by the way I'm catholic and I can tell ya straight up that God created the devil....so he sure as hell could kick his ass...how's that for metal.....cronos is the poser....not metallica.

you are the man

[adyingwish]

lay down your souls to the gods rock n rooo-ooo-ooolll arrrgh arghhhhh

[hooligan354]

Bullseye!!oshkosh

It's nice to see some people haven't forgot history

[a real DEAD one]

I just downloaded a few of their songs to make sure i wasnt being hypocritical and then I realized I wasnt. The riffs are poorly constructed, The vocals have no passion in then at all, and they lyrics suck cock. After listing to the first minute I wanted to cut my dick off and cauterize the wound with my moms iron. Nothing done by that band could possibly be influential to anyone but Nirvana or anotehr 3 riff shit band.

[Dotpunker89]

Venom can rot in hell they had lost all my rspect bastards.

[satanswing]

ummm....lemme think....metallica pretty much kicks any bands ass whether you ****in like it or not

[LeoKhenir]

I think there should be appointed an 18+ age limit for being a UG member. 14 year old kiddies who never have heard of Venom have, simply put, NOTHING to say in this debate. Venom created an entire genre by releasing "Black Metal" back in the days (guess what genre they created...) Anyways - It would have been Metallica taht had to open for Venom, not the other way around, because Venom have been around longer and made a lot more influence on the metal music than Metallica.

And let's get something straight on the satanism issue. There are two different kinds of views here, as I see.

The common one (and erroneus, I might add): Satanism is worshipping of the Devil, and Satanists want hell on Earth, with endless pain for all.

The correct one: Satanism is a religion that does the opposite of Christianity (Hence the name, since Satan is God's opponent). In Satanism, you are not told by some priests what you should do - instead, you are told to do what YOU want, as long as others are not hurt.

[newpurgatory]

wow, to consider metallica crap is pretty arrogant. even if you are better then them, nobody gives a flying **** if ur gonna brag about it. lots of ppl are better than metallica but not everyone brags they are. i hate ppl who brag about shit. guess what? this cronos fag isnt the best in the world, therefore he has no right to brag like hes all big shit. god, why doesnt he just suck satans dick he loves him so damn much. metallica rules all!

[hooligan354]

Dude, you're crazy. Yeah, venom may have influenced some 25 years ago but metallica continue to influence the "14 year old kiddies" as you so eloquently put it. And it's the "14 year old kiddie's" tha have grown up to kick our asses today BECAUSE of that influence. Wake up, Dude. Shadows fall, lamb of god, trivium, etc...

[oshkoshshred311]

Okay black metal wtf? Dude metal is metal...let me say it again BLACK SABBATH! they are the only band which can be created with inventing anything...and even that could be considered a stretch....metal is based off of rock...which is based off blues...which has roots in early jazz and ragtime....all the way back to classical..and so on. Oh and by the way the only reason why any of you think metallica sold out or hate lars is probably cause of the whole napster thing. Which doesn't make sense because someone stole metallica's music. That right, stole it. Then they're called posers on top of it because they try and expand musically. I'm sure Alex Skolnick... (legendary metal player from testament) who is considered now to be one of the most widely recognized jazz players is a poser too, because he's not playing metal anymore. It's just growth...not selling out. Some people find different music and some don't. Anyone who says different might want to start ditching they're I'm angry at my father syndrome.

[hooligan354]

Oshkosh - preach it, baby. Nice - pulling out Skolnick's evolution. Game, set and match.

[cleadus_134]

That was a very misleading title. Im a pretty big fan of Metallica, but ive never listened to Venom, so im not gonna get into an argument of whos better and such.

[genresrforposer]

LeoKhenir wrote:

I think there should be appointed an 18+ age limit for being a UG member. 14 year old kiddies who never have heard of Venom have, simply put, NOTHING to say in this debate. Venom created an entire genre by releasing "Black Metal" back in the days (guess what genre they created...) Anyways - It would have been Metallica taht had to open for Venom, not the other way around, because Venom have been around longer and made a lot more influence on the metal music than Metallica.

And let's get something straight on the satanism issue. There are two different kinds of views here, as I see.

The common one (and erroneus, I might add): Satanism is worshipping of the Devil, and Satanists want hell on Earth, with endless pain for all.

The correct one: Satanism is a religion that does the opposite of Christianity (Hence the name, since Satan is God's opponent). In Satanism, you are not told by some priests what you should do - instead, you are told to do what YOU want, as long as others are not hurt.

Look, Satan wants all humans to be destroyed as he believes God neglected angels wen he created them. it's in tha REAL bible.

And labeling yourself a satanist wen Agnostics hold the same ideals w/o the retarted "I hate God" crap?

Only two things can this ever b called:

A fake opinion for the purposes of shock value.

or

Just plain idiocy as the religion's title includes the name of someone who clearly isn't on your side.

[newpurgatory]

okay everyone knows metallica has sold out, ill be the first to admit it. but to call them crap. wow. i listened to some vemon and they aint got nothing on metallica. there solos were more boring then being at church and the singing ****ing got on my nerves fast. hello? dave mustaine? the kill em all album and some ride the lightning was his works and if your calling his shit bad then go **** yourself right now (whiplash, call of ktulu, ride the lightning). as for kirk, hes just as good, think sanitarium, puppets, blackened. metallica will bend venom over and skull **** them when it comes to talent. venoms just mad cuz there just sucks.

[oshkoshshred311]

I don't need to get nervous pal....I know where I stand. You've obviously found "something" in Venom's music...so hey that's yours....but anyone who doesn't consider Black Sabbath(which not one of you has insulted since my first comments...weird...seems to be no debate over that band) and metallica to be huge influences on metal really needs to seriously re-evaluate what they are saying.

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maybe i should explain. u can comment on the article.
u can not call out another member, and call them a dic.
get it?

[newpurgatory]

and as for satanic ppl, no one cares your a satinist! your not impressing ppl. you say the point of being a satinist is doing whatever you want right? well i do the same damn thing but do i consider myself a satanist? no! cuz im not so hung up on labels, they think that just by calling themselves satinists, the'yr automatically metal, no your not, your just stupid.

[randy_roads]

What an idiot? If Metallica should take metal out of their name, Venom should never use the term Black Metal... And i dont care if they were the first ones to use it.

[hooligan354]

How the hell are we supposed to get nervous when we have metallica as amunition? Like it was said - you get yours from venom - the rest of us get it from Metallica. Nervous is a virgin on her wedding night.
We can sit and debate over who's better. ( Oh, yeah, my dad can beat up your dad) In the end, you go to the club that venom plays and I'll be at the stadium or arena that metallica plays headbanging my way to a headache.

[a real DEAD one]

This is a never ending argument....

When I listened to Venom for the first time I didnt feel musically fufilled, thier music didnt want me to pick of my guitar and play. AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES A BAND INFLUENTIAL!!!!! IF THEY MAKE YOU WANT TO PICK UP YOUR INSTRUMENT (or sit down and grab your drum sticks) AND PLAY THIER SONGS!!!!! thats how you can tell a band is good, and can influence future generations into continuing music

[SaLvAdOrOcK]

Ok, Ok, lets get some shit straight. First of all From whose ****ing full of crap head came the bloddy idea that venom is the first thrash band? come on they remotley influenced thrash, the first thrash bands were Overkill, Metal Church and Metallica.
All the people who defends blindly metallica, hear some venom, and the people who say bad stuff about metallica just because they are famous, get over it, yes they sell a lot but that doesn't means they are crap.
And at last i think that nevertheless they are the major influence in black metal they are not even close of being as influential ass metallica, not only in metal but on any kind of music. You don't belive me? there are thousands of countries where almost no band has been influenced by Venom but all of them have been by metallica, many important history books contain something about metallica, still today no Venom in any history book, all rock history books say something bout Metallica and just a few about venom. Metallica holds major records in many countries, here in mexico Black album is the best selling rock album, i haven't heard of venom having any record anywhere
So thats it they are both excelent bands but Venom is a thousand light years away from being as influential and legendary as metallica.

[hooligan354]

Is it your wedding night?

[oshkoshshred311]

Lol

[newpurgatory]

sweet

[hooligan354]

tell that to their millions of fans

[newpurgatory]

not trying to be a dick, but what bands do you listen to?

[srt4]

who the **** is venom?

[newpurgatory]

ive only heard of megadeath and dream theatre. but you cant possibly think metallica is crap. their first guitarist is now the guitarist for megadeath, dave mustaine. you gotta like them a little. im suprised to see no children of bodom, theye're a kick ass metal band too.

[thefinalcut]

Dirtydeeds468 wrote:
Must I spell it out here?
Some people like Venom.
Some people like Metallica.
Everyone is different!

1+ to this guy and WeirdMariachi

If you disagree with Cronos and/or don't like his band, ignore what he said.

[Kaziglu Bey]

Saying Metallica rules is like saying Slipknot are a good band. Fuck Metallica and hail ****ing Venom!!!!!

[JS30RR]

Fuck that. Saxon rules.