GN'R Deny Two-Year World Tour

Guns N' Roses guitarist Richard Fortus has denied that he ever said the band will begin a world tour in March that will last for at least two years.

Fortus' original comments about GN'R hitting the road supposedly came as part of an interview with TheTelegraph.com to promote his appearance in St. Louis on Monday night (December 29) with Pale Divine, a locally popular act, of which he was a founding member, that has not played together for 17 years.

After the TheTelegraph.com article was published and Fortus' comments got picked up by a number of news outlets all around the world, the guitarist issued the following statement:

"OK, it seems that I am being misquoted once again. I never said that GN'R would be playing St. Louis, nor did I say that we will be doing free shows or that we are starting a two-year tour in March! Selective hearing. Never said it."

Guns N' Roses' new album, "Chinese Democracy", which came out as a Best Buy exclusive on November 23, currently sits at No. 33 on the Billboard album chart.

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

Aside from responding to fans' questions on several message boards, lead singer and sole original member Axl Rose has not done any interviews to promote the record.

Thanks for the report to Blabbermouth.net.

Comments

[Vauxite]

We knew this anyway.
There will be a tour, i'll make sure of it it.

[b.m.s.]

I saw axl play back in 2006. I must say I liked the opener better. The trews. But it was still a good show nonetheless

[MangeRamone]

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

YOU THINK?

[MangeRamone]

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

YOU THINK?

[lurch_276]

I believe they should just stop posting Guns N Roses articles until they announce the original line up is returning.

[I-Shot-Jr]

Fucking hell, I really want to see Gn'R in concert! I personally put the hype aside and found Chinese Democracy to be an excellent album

[ATL_420]

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

[ChucklesMginty]

Ah well, Slash will probably tour his solo album. And if not, when VR finally get a singer, they'll record the album which has supposedly already been written, and then they'll go on tour.

[Axl_Explosion]

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

[Pure_Morning]

I don't think with the musicians axl has he can pull off a 2 year tour? Surely they must all have other commitments that would prevent it?

[ATL_420]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

damnit, there's no band wagon. The new album was nothing special. It didn't come close to any of the past albums. I was anticipating something great, and was entirely disappointed. No one jumps on the band wagon, just tons of people just agree that the mutant you idolize isn't as talented as he once was. It happens....

[MasterExploder0]

lurch_276 wrote:

I believe they should just stop posting Guns N Roses articles until they announce the original line up is returning.

Agreed.

[DimebagJosho]

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Oh shush Slash fanboy.
Without Izzy, you wouldn't hear any of that 'good music.'

[Lamb of Deth]

this article's title is misleading, Richard Fortus denies the tour. not G'nR they broke up a long ass time ago

[DimebagJosho]

ATL_420 wrote:

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

damnit, there's no band wagon. The new album was nothing special. It didn't come close to any of the past albums. I was anticipating something great, and was entirely disappointed. No one jumps on the band wagon, just tons of people just agree that the mutant you idolize isn't as talented as he once was. It happens....

That's youpr problem... You listened to the album thinking of it as a hard rock album.

If you listened to it with an open mind, you'd find it is a pretty solid album. I mean, 'This I Love' is definately up there with 'November Rain' in my opinion.

[RR787]

I agreed with Axl_Explosion btw. It's like the new Bon Jovi, he sure isn't as epic as the hard rock Jovi when he started but since the new guitarist, the sound WON'T be the same as before, so get over it and either like the new sound or don't. I personally prefer the old Jovi and the old Aerosmith and the old GNR but since they're on these directions, we can't do nothing. I just learned to get into new directions in music or just don't listen to changes in music at all.

[acidhammerdrums]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

I appreciate that reference.

But on to the topic at hand, there is no one part of Guns N Roses that made it great, if you want an example of the "greatness" of Axl+Izzy, listen to Hollywood Rose... granted they were younger, but Axl has shown an occasional affinity for his earlier work anyway. There was never one member of GnR that made them what they are, it was the blending of five guys that worked incredibly well together (at least for a short time)

[SurfinWithSatch]

Chinese Democracy is a good album.
Izzy is the most sorely missed original member.
Slash's tone was a big part of the original Gn'R sound.
There are no bad musicians in this new line up, they are all very talented people who don't deserve the stick they are getting just because they were the ones Axl chose to become the new Gn'R.
Axl is still a solid song writer/singer but he was never what you would call a guitar player, allot of the riffs were written by the new guitar players to go with lyrics and small melodies Axl had already written.

Finally if you try to compare this to the old Gn'R simply because the name is used you will miss out on what is one of the first decent "Rock" albums in years. Don't judge a band by the name, judge it by the music.

[ElThomas]

GnR touring without Slash, Duff and Izzy is worse than Zeppelin Touring without Plant. just throwin that out there

[davedoom]

Chinese Democracy is an excellent album.
Music for the sake of music.
I don't think many kids today actually get Axl Rose. He knows what he wants to do.
I'd rather this than listen to another lame Trivium album.

[Qki]

Axl touring? No thanks. As much as I like the new album - hell I think it's marvellous, been listening to it over and over again and I'm still not tired of it - Axl will surely make a scene and a fool out of himself to that. Remember the 'Pigeons of Shit Metal'? I prefer if Axl stayed in his studio. He'll probably be late every time if the tour's gonna happen for example because he had to take a shower...

On the album, it's great. I didn't expect anything of the old standards and maybe that's why I'm not dissapointed. Of course, it's been like what, 14-17 years? And with a character that Axl has I doubted that he'd seriously produce something over the normal GnR standard. However for all You people who hate Axl now for using the GnR label - he's not GNR, I agree but if You don't agree with him being GnR then don't listen as though it's a GnR album. It's an Axl Rose album and it is good.

And "This I Love" is sweet.

[Strat132]

Qki wrote:

Axl touring? No thanks. As much as I like the new album - hell I think it's marvellous, been listening to it over and over again and I'm still not tired of it - Axl will surely make a scene and a fool out of himself to that. Remember the 'Pigeons of Shit Metal'? I prefer if Axl stayed in his studio. He'll probably be late every time if the tour's gonna happen for example because he had to take a shower...

On the album, it's great. I didn't expect anything of the old standards and maybe that's why I'm not dissapointed. Of course, it's been like what, 14-17 years? And with a character that Axl has I doubted that he'd seriously produce something over the normal GnR standard. However for all You people who hate Axl now for using the GnR label - he's not GNR, I agree but if You don't agree with him being GnR then don't listen as though it's a GnR album. It's an Axl Rose album and it is good.

And "This I Love" is sweet.

Thank you

[beelaal85]

Jeez!

[Vic Vega]

I got the new album for Christmas and when I first listened to it I was so relieved that it wasn't Appetite "2" or Illusion "3". That's why I like the album, because it is different from their past. Axl has moved the sound of GnR forward. Some old fans may not like it but I do.

[Qki]

I got the new album for Christmas and when I first listened to it I was so relieved that it wasn't Appetite "2" or Illusion "3". That's why I like the album, because it is different from their past. Axl has moved the sound of GnR forward. Some old fans may not like it but I do.

UYI 3 would be kind of an overkill x)

[Guitar_Jester]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

Amen! I coudn't have set it better

[icantbuyafender]

this is no "...illusions"

disc1 or disc2

axl and his "entourage" of a band on tour... THATS an illusion...

called this as soon as i read the prior article about a possible tour...

[jor_guitar]

very bad to Gnr

[Jastul]

lol, when I first saw this headline all I could think was "of course they do, it wouldn't be quite GNR if they were being so professional what with a world tour right after launching a highly anticipated album"
God bless you Axl

[vinne666]

honestly i think gnr is dead especially without slash the new album sucker terribly

[the_bear_shark]

As much as Axl may have legal rights to the band name (I'm saying legal rights, not my opinion on whether or not he really has the right to the bands name), I sometimes wonder if maybe had he used a different name for his current lineup that maybe people would not count on the original sound, and approach it with more of an open mind, perhaps even enjoying the album for what it is and not for what GNR's music used to be.

Keep in mind, I say all of this not even having heard Chinese Democracy yet.

[Dingoman]

SHUT UP ABOUT GUNS AND ROSES ALREADY!

We get it, Axls awesome, the album got released, Slash is mad, Slash is not made, Axl is going to make an album with a donkey, WE DONT CARE ANYMORE!!!!!

[Metallicam]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

This.

[not_dead_enough]

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

WEASEL WORDS.

The journalism on this site is so incredibly biased it's alarming...

Plus, Axl_Explosion is dead right!

[axe_man]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. **

I hate to burst your bubble mate on that one point but i saw loads of advertising on the TV here in England before the release(dont know where you're from). And this was also built up album, with the delays etc, i dont like guns N roses and i'd even heard about the delays a million times. You can't argue that point for solidly with me.

[Random88]

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Much as I love Slash... Izzy was the real one behind GnRs sounds imo

Checked.

Play nicely, children.

[MaidenandEddy]

axe_man wrote:

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. **

I hate to burst your bubble mate on that one point but i saw loads of advertising on the TV here in England before the release(dont know where you're from). And this was also built up album, with the delays etc, i dont like guns N roses and i'd even heard about the delays a million times. You can't argue that point for solidly with me.

Agreed. There were a lot of adverts on the TV for it, albeit mostly on the music channels, and they even advertised it on billboards.

[dgme92]

This is an amazing album. When you think about the fact that it DOESN'T have that old lineup, it makes it all the more impressive how Axl managed to mastermind an album of this quality almost on his own.

And btw, Slash really isn't that big a deal. Great guitar player, but overrated. I.E, Buckethead/Bumblefott are better players, and Izzy wrote "Slash's" riffs.

[Symmetry4321]

Coming from an in the middle standpoint the new album dosen't sit well with me, not because of the, as it's been coined recently which is a tad unfair, John Cena style fanboy people looking at it from either angle i just don't think the musical ideas are particularly good for the most part and the production at times is way too busy and the fact he payed for a solo from Brain May and left it out just seems like a stupid and pointless expense now

[Slash 555]

Axl is a great singer, but apparently he isn't too good at being a buisnessman, or good at hireing the right people to be buisnessmen. Funny that the most anticipated album of all time hasn't even sold a million copies yet lol

[gnfnr4thewin]

Totally agree with axl explosion and dgme 92. Just appreciate a good album or don't. Leave the politics out of it. The tour will happen when it happens...don't like it, don't go. I can't wait for the tour, rise in CD sales, and for the wagon jumpers to see how spun they are.

[smoothie/92]

ya no shit UG. y post yesterays news then do today.

[Kuzak]

Love the album. I hardly listen to the old Gn'R anymore even, still haven't been able to leave Chinese Democracy alone.

[HalfMan:HalfGod]

The only reason they sold more than velvet revolver is because they still have the Guns N Roses name. The band should be called Axl n Friend's because they will never live up to Guns N Roses. But I have to agree with you about Slash. Izzy wrote music of the songs musically, but Slash's solos and lead guitar added alot you can see that now with the crap guitarist for the new guns n roses

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

[guitaringnathan]

davedoom wrote:

Chinese Democracy is an excellent album.
Music for the sake of music.
I don't think many kids today actually get Axl Rose. He knows what he wants to do.
I'd rather this than listen to another lame Trivium album.

WIN

[hanktehlordochi]

Is it wrong that I really liked Chinese Democracy? I mean Axl Rose is a pretentious douche **** and I've never been a huge Guns N Roses fan, but I REALLY enjoyed listening to this album.

[rinestone]

No surprises here

[theotherguy7145]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

To Axl_Explosion: Are you related to, or associated to Axl by any chance? Whereever theres a "GnR" article, you're always there trying to suggest that Axl is GnR.

Personally, i don't like the new GnR, but thats not what i'm commenting about.

Axl writes good songs, as proven by "ChiDem", but the songwriting was done as a band in the original GnR; everyone having done their fair share, Slash and Axl included. This is what made them great.

I don't care how many sales the albums had in comparison to Libertad because, being honest, no album is really worth 14 years or whatever its taken to release is it?
VR was about making the album and getting out and touring as a band. Rock N Roll.
Axl hasn't even toured. ChiDem is just a well written album, played by musicians who have all been hired specially. Theres no "band" feeling to it. Anyone understand what i'm saying?

And for the record, there is no "bandwagon" against the new GnR.
If the record was good enough to stand up to the old gnr, then people would like it.

There are fans of GnR dissatisfied by this new album. Why?
Because Axl didn't deliver GnR! Proof that the Guns N' Roses now isn't like the Guns N' Roses then!
Every band has down albums, and albums not as good as others, but GnR, with a new band entirely, has reached a new low.
Which is unfortunate, cos i'd really have liked to say that they still kick ass

[slashersixx]

they came to Sydney just under 2 years ago, with Sebastian Bach and Rose Tattoo, i was very impressed, it was F***kin awsome. They put on a good show.

[Rokeman]

^^^ Yeah saw them in Melbourne, though Axl was late on stage, as usual.

And to the massive argument going on above:

1. Appetite for Destruction was hardly known at first, it took a while for it to finally take off

2. Lots of people probably just downloaded the new album or listened to it on myspace.

3. Lots of people are also probably sick of Axl Rose whinging and suing everyone

4. This whole "who wrote more of the songs thing"... Appetite for Destruction, they all wrote the songs together, and in Use Your Illusions, they didn't all work on the same songs, but they still all contributed.

5. I agree with theotherguy7145 about VR. They just wanted to make music and get out there, they didn't care if it wasn't as big as GN'R.

end rant

[Jmoarguitar]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

It is funny that you say that, since i seen tons of gn'r adds from best buy and guns n roses themselves. Everyone knows about the record i never ran into someone that doesn't yet, the music just wasn't there. And don't just give slash credits to a couple licks, slash made sweet child o mine and paradise city i know for sure, and thsoe are like there hit songs, izzy is mostly responsible mostly though, axl did write some good tunes though, just not on chinese democracy.

[syke5]

GNR with chinese democracy i feel like im looking at metallicas st anger album same thing will happen they will make a new better album by learning from this

[November_Rain94]

I'm a HUGE old GNR fan and I would go see the New Guns just to see axl... Chinese democracy was a good album but nowhere near as good as the illusions or Appetite and for the record Axl is a truely very gifted songwriter just listen to November Rain or This I Love (I'm not comparing the two) the lyrics for both songs are amazing

[November_Rain94]

Proof that the Guns N' Roses now isn't like the Guns N' Roses then!

Didn't we already know that?

[David_Bowie=GOD]

i dont want to sound like a slash fanboy here, because im not, he is an extremely overrated guitarist, but guns n roses is really lacking without him. they have great guitarists in guns n roses now, but the solos dont really fit, GnR solos aren't supposed to be pointless shred, they are supposed to be more bluesy-sounding.

[RUSTDOGG666]

I think they also deny that they are not guns and rose anymore and the band is the axl rose project

[krazymonkeynuts]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

I agree with every single word you said. It was Axl and Izzy at the heart of GNR. As much as I love Slash outside of GNR, without Izzy, without Axl his work is mediocre. Slash's work outside of GNR is not as memorable as in GNR.

And for people that don't know Slash was NOT an original member of GNR. It was Tracii Guns who was the original guitarist. Tracii GUNS N' Axl ROSE. So the point of saying "bring back the original line up is moot. By the way what band that has been around as long as GNR is comprised of original members anymore? I mean come on! Megadeth is Dave Mustaine and a revolving door, Kiss another evolving door, Metallica nope not original members, A Perfect Circle, Nine Inch Nails, the list goes on. People can jump on the bash Axl Rose band wagon and completely miss out on a great album in Chinese Democracy.

Another thing if you owned a lucrative business and had partners. Then your partners quit would you feel obligated to change your business name when your name is a well established brand that makes millions of dollars?

[FlyingPirahna]

ITT: A bunch of biased people arguing over people they don't know that left a band 12 years ago.

Get past your stupid ****ing biases and give it an actual shot, not just something to look for the tiniest little things to pick at. Judge music for the music, not the name.

[scarfacesuit]

I-Shot-Jr wrote:

Fucking hell, I really want to see Gn'R in concert! I personally put the hype aside and found Chinese Democracy to be an excellent album

Really? I put the hype aside and found it to be worse than I anticipated.

...funny, the contrast in opinions.

Nevertheless, I'd consider seeing these guys live if they ever did a show. Maybe Axl would play some old songs and not suck onstage, or maybe he'll jump into the crowd and kick some guy's ass. Either way, it'll be fun to watch (so long as I'm not the guy getting his ass kicked... though lord knows I could live off of the lawsuit money, haha)

[Johnnybizzoy]

ATL_420 wrote:

I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it.

Actually, I rarely see advertisements for new albums, let alone for bands that I like. I think GnR is old.
No doubt right? I've never actually HEARD any other GnR song other than Sweet Child Of Mine and Welcome To The Jungle, but they have some nice sounds. I just think the "older" crowd likes the newer albums of old bands. Maybe to many people expected it to be as fresh as the old days? I'm just putting it out there.
GnR to me, seems like a cashcow now.

Checked.

[vegetassj4]

ugh... Gn'R is effin up. First the crap they call chinese democracy then this.

[Vrstone87]

They shoulda quit after Use Your Illusion

[gnfnr4thewin]

vegetassj4 wrote:

ugh... Gn'R is effin up. First the crap they call chinese democracy then this.

"wow". Another generic response to the album that many thought was terrific. What's your fav. band so I can scrutinize and cut them down. Hey, if you get the time, think of writing something 1,000,000 other people haven't written and end it with a witty remark about DR. PEPPER!!!

[Regression]

not_dead_enough wrote:

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

WEASEL WORDS.

The journalism on this site is so incredibly biased it's alarming...

Plus, Axl_Explosion is dead right!

That's hardly biased..

HalfMan:HalfGod wrote:

The only reason they sold more than velvet revolver is because they still have the Guns N Roses name. The band should be called Axl n Friend's because they will never live up to Guns N Roses. But I have to agree with you about Slash. Izzy wrote music of the songs musically, but Slash's solos and lead guitar added alot you can see that now with the crap guitarist for the new guns n roses

Don't fool yourself. Everyone knows Guns n' Roses doesn't consist of the original line-up anymore. No one at all would have bought the album because it is "Guns n' Roses".

[not_dead_enough]

Regression wrote:

not_dead_enough wrote:

The CD has moved 421,000 copies since its release, with the lukewarm response to the record leading many to label it a failure.

WEASEL WORDS.

The journalism on this site is so incredibly biased it's alarming...

Plus, Axl_Explosion is dead right!
That's hardly biased..

It sure is biased! Obviously just in the opinion of whoever wrote this it was a failure. Most bands would kill for that kind of success with zero promotion. It seems anyone can say whatever they want just by hiding behind the words "Many consider that..." etc. It is hardly reputable. If it had said "Many consider it as a success" - which may be true as well - it'd have a completely different tone to it.

I will clarify though - I disagree with one thing Axl_Explosion said: I don't love Slash as a guitarist. His solos do absolutely nothing for me, and he contributed (from a songwriting perspective) a negligible amount. In fact, I think his role in GnR could have been done by almost any moderately good guitarist. Yet somehow, against all logic, he took all the fame...

[Axl_Explosion]

axe_man wrote:

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. **

I hate to burst your bubble mate on that one point but i saw loads of advertising on the TV here in England before the release(dont know where you're from). And this was also built up album, with the delays etc, i dont like guns N roses and i'd even heard about the delays a million times. You can't argue that point for solidly with me.

A: I'm from Indiana - US

B: I'm not arguing with it being a built up album at all, I followed it forever! But let me better illustrate my point. My mom is also a huge Guns fan, she's actually the one who got me into Guns when I heard her listening to Appetite all those years ago. She knew about Chinese Democracy in that it was this "rumored" album from Guns with a long and storied past, but much past that, she had no idea. The day I got it and told her about it, she had no idea it was being released. That was the case with lots of people I knew. If I didn't mention it, they didn't even know it was coming out until after it'd been released. And almost none of them knew that it was a best-buy exclusive. Now, like you said, I'm not sure about either different marketing focus in different countries, or even different states/markets, but I just know that here in Indiana...where Axl is FROM, lol...the promotion for the album was shit.

[Axl_Duff_Izzy]

Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

[Axl_Duff_Izzy]

hahahaaaaa

[randymeeks81]

i listened to like 3 tracks from this album. got to the fourth song and it's a power ballad. **** the axl rose project.

[tcangusyoung123]

Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

Axl lovers are just as bad as Axl haters. Guns n Roses wrote the music on Appetite. Not Axl, not Slash, not Izzy or Duff or Steven. The new album's a great Axl Rose solo album. I'm sure Slash's will be just as good.

[queenslander47]

acidhammerdrums :
Axl_Explosion wrote:

ATL_420 wrote:

Slash wrote all the good music of GNR. Axl is just a mediocre prima donna singer coat tailing off of the 1980s success of the band. The new album is terrible. It doesn't come close to the junked up days when the music had meaning and feeling to it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Slash didn't write anything but some of the guitar licks. Axl and Izzy were responsible for the great majority of the lyrics. But way to jump on the bandwagon and try to come out with the "Oh, I'm so cool because I hate the new GN'R!"
Chinese Democracy didn't blow charts away because there was no promotion. I didn't see a single commercial actually promoting the album until AFTER I'd bought it. Sure, Axl had his share in it by not doing a single interview, but how people just place the blame exclusively on his shoulders kills me. Regardless, if you wanna look at numbers, ChiDem has been out for just over a month now, and it's already damn near outsold Velvet Revolver's 2nd shit album. So much for Slash and all his amazing song writing, huh? I love Slash as a guitarist, but the heart and soul of GN'R, he was not.

If you would pull your head out of the Axl-hater in front of you's ass and give ChiDem a chance, you may realize that is a great album. Not on par with Appetite, maybe, but definitely ranking in the UYI catagory.

**braces himself and prepares for the John Cena fanboy-llike onslaught the Axl haters are about to unleash**

I appreciate that reference.

But on to the topic at hand, there is no one part of Guns N Roses that made it great, if you want an example of the "greatness" of Axl+Izzy, listen to Hollywood Rose... granted they were younger, but Axl has shown an occasional affinity for his earlier work anyway. There was never one member of GnR that made them what they are, it was the blending of five guys that worked incredibly well together (at least for a short time)

thank god somebody on here is smart enough to realise it takes more than one or two members of band to make it great. the amount of morons on this site saying "slash was the man" "axl was the genius" annoys me. they were great because of the chemistry they had with each other, each member was as important as the other.

bravo acidhammerdrums, u are 100% correct

[Rockin4Life]

Can anyone tell me what is it with that first minute of silence (besides chinese people talkin) in Chinese Democracy?

[Nigzy]

theres no way that this compares to the UYI albums

theres not one to rival November Rain, Civil War, Coma etc on it.

[BlackLuster]

davedoom wrote:

Chinese Democracy is an excellent album.
Music for the sake of music.
I don't think many kids today actually get Axl Rose. He knows what he wants to do.
I'd rather this than listen to another lame Trivium album.

Agreed, totally.
This album can't be compared to anything else, especially not the GNR of old because the only thing that still exists is the name and the legacy.
This is basically a brand new band with a new sound, and it's amazing. If the name hadn't existed and people heard this without the prejudices they have we'd all think it's amazing (which it is).
Songs like Riad N' the Bedouins aren't epically amazing, granted. But they have that hard rock sound which not many other albums these days have.
And I don't think I'd ever choose another Trivium album over this. Ever.