Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder Review

Released: Oct 27, 2008
Genre: Extreme Metal
Label: Roadrunner
Number Of Tracks: 13
It is a concept album, based on the life of the infamous 15th century French nobleman who fought alongside Joan of Arc and accumulated great wealth before becoming a serial killer, sexual deviant and Satanist.

Sound:	8.3
Lyrics:	8
Impression:	7.7
Overall rating:	8
Users rating:	7.8
Comments:	86

overall: 9

Featured review by: Dementer, on october 30, 2008

Sound: And so, with Halloween right around the corner, we encounter the ever repulsing sight and sounds of metal institution of tongue-in-cheek devilry and perversion: Cradle of Filth. The English band's (now a four piece: Dani Filth on vocals, Paul Allender on guitars, Dave Pybus on bass, and Martin "Marthus" Skaroupka on drums) newest album, "Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder: The Life and Crimes of Gilles de Rais" is a concept album about Gilles de Rais (Coincidentally, Cradle's last concept album, "Cruelty and the Beast", is celebrating it's 10 year anniversary since it's release in 1998 this year). Basically, he was the right hand man of Joan of Arc who had acquired a massive fortune and after she was burned at the stake he blew all of his riches and sought, through occultism and rituals, to gain his wealth back. Instead, he turned twisted and was tried and convicted of the murder and sexual abuse of hundreds of local children. Now that the concept is out of the way, let's see how the album stands up.

(Note: I'll have you ALL know that I am writing this as an AVID supporter of the old COF style, circa "Principle", "V Empire", "Dusk... ", "Cruelty" eras and detested "Thornography" to no end. So trust me, I want a good Cradle album as much as you all do.)

01.In Grandeur and Frankincense Devilment Stirs: as always, Cradle must start everything with a keyboard interlude, which I'm not against cause they always have great interludes, just there's not really a good way to review them. Nice opener to the album though.
02.Shat Out of Hell: and finally! A Cradle album starts with a blast beat once again! I seriously thought those days were gone after "Thornography". Nice progressions and riffs throughout the song and it has a very good constant flow to the song that continues throughout and doesn't lose pace. You can easily find yourself headbanging unconsciously to this song and enjoying it.
03.The Death of Love: this is the only slow song on the album and from I can gather it's supposed to be about Gilles' reaction to Joan's death. Now, before any other Cradle fans jump on this song for being not heavy and being a slow song, does anyone remember "Malice Through the Looking Glass" or "Bathory Aria"? Yeah, slow but legendary Cradle songs BECAUSE of their pace. So don't talk shit. I love the leads and riffs in this song and the female vocals on this song are some of the best I've heard in Cradle's history, which is saying something.
04.The 13th Caesar: this song has a very thrashy vibe to it with it's heavy use of triplets throughout the main riff of the song. It has me hooked in more ways than one. Like the majority of songs on the album, it starts with narration by the great Doug Bradley and a keyboard intro, which I don't know why almost EVERY song on here has to have a keyboard intro, but hey, I'm not complaining. Songs like this remind me that Cradle made a wise choice in getting a younger drummer who has just that right amount of ass-kicking in him to push these songs to the heavy levels.
05.Tiffauges: once again, another interlude. This interlude is exceptionally great because one of the keyboard lines fits with the next song and in a way gets you ready for the in your face onslaught that "Tragic Kingdom" hits you with. I have to listen to both back-to-back always!
06.Tragic Kingdom: the arrangement for this song is honestly pure genius! I couldn't believe this was that good of a song! It has heavy riffs, sick keys, and even some progressive sounding drums at crucial points. Reminds me of "Midian" meets "Damnation and a Day". One of the best songs of the album!
07.Sweetest Maleficia: this might be the best song on the album! It has a very dark presence to it and when the drums hit, all hell breaks loose. The keyboards play more of a presence than the other instruments for this song and it shows; everything is tinged with that epic sound throughout and it seems as though you can feel Gilles conjuring Lucifer himself!
08.Honey and Sulphur: the first single from the album and probably the competition that "Sweetest Maleficia" has for best song. Nice choir chants throughout the song to compliment Dani's growls and very inventive how the instruments interact with each other throughout the song. It's given me lots of ideas for writing songs, that's for sure.
09.Midnight Shadows Crawl to Darken Counsel with Life: one of the longer songs on the album. Another brutal masterpiece that mainly shows off Martin's talents and stamina on the kit. The keyboard lines remind me of stuff from the "Bitter Suites... " material, which is a big plus, in my opinion! There's a beautiful interlude in the middle that must be heard to be believed that reminds me of one of my favorite beautiful Cradle songs, "Tearing the Veil From Grace".
10.Darkness Incarnate: - a twisted, dark song that has an intro that probably went a little too long for my taste. When it picks up, though, it's worth the wait of the intro. The arrangements throughout have that same dark feel to them and I love how they let the drums play as the dominant instrument at times in the song, once again. Here is a good example of Cradle trying some riffs and arrangements that signal a return to the days of old.
11.Ten Leagues Beneath Contempt: not a terribly fast song. Mainly has a brooding pace like that of "Thank God for the Suffering", kind of a builder for the final push of the album. That doesn't mean that it is a bad song, just a return to a moderate tempo for them to try new riffs and grow as a band.
12.Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder: the album's last kick in the face is just what it should be, Cradle clawing at the world in a burst of rage and fury. Seeing this song live would be an experience. The instruments all play very well with each other and it sounds as though Paul Allender (who wrote all of the new album) now has a firm understanding of what Cradle should be.
13.Corpseflower: just a closer to the album to give you something extra. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: Dani always does a great job with lyrics; even "Thornography" excelled in the lyric department mainly because of Dani's wide vocabulary and his talent for articulation. "Godspeed... " is no exception. He does a good job of actually telling the story from multiple viewpoints in the different songs and still tying it all together to it's theme. Vocal-wise, I believe Dani has realized that his high-pitched shriek vocals are waning in his later years. This, however, hasn't stopped him from using his other vocal talent, his super low growl. I prefer his growl to the shriek cause it just sounds that much more dark and sinister. The album caters more to the growl on a lot of songs and his use of layering the shriek and growl is still a large factor.

I'm only taking away some points because I would've liked to have seen more Sarah vocals on this album. When she is on here it's perfect, but there just seems to be some lovely vocals missing, and that disappoints me. // 8

Impression: Overall, from a true Cradle fan, "Godspeed... " deserves ranking with the best Cradle albums. Granted, it is not a full return to the days of old, but there ever was a step in the right direction, this is as good as it will ever get. Let me put it this way, I didn't think Cradle would ever put out an album this good ever again! There are some old traits that have returned and some new room where they've grown, and I think that's what makes a band like Cradle of Filth great.

Granted, Cradle of Filth will most likely never return to the "Dusk and Her Embrace" days, so stop dreaming. But if you still want a band that can make you headbang with brutal yet catchy (not SELL-OUT by any means, just catchy) riffs, then this is the album. With the exception of "Nymphetamine" and "Thornography", there's stuff on this album that you'll be able to recognize from all of Cradle's past works and stuff that will seem completely new to you! If this album were stolen from me, God help the poor bastard who would be stupid enough to take it from me, cause he'd be hiding for a long time! Long story short, ignore the haters: Heaven's mutant children have returned and oh, how we have missed them! // 9

overall: 5.7

Reviewed by: Zecromancer, on october 29, 2008

Sound: Well, here it is, Cradle of Filth's new album! I honestly had no idea it was even out until I was skimming through a Best Buy thing, and saw "Cradle of Filth" followed by an album name I had never seen. While I am a big CoF fan, I had no idea they had a new album out! I bought it immediately. The songs on the album are:

01.In Grandeur and Frankincense Devilment Stirs: the opening track on this album is a creepy, slow, instrumental one. It's very... intro-ish. Unnecessarily long, hard-to-remember title.
02.Shat Out of Hell: the coolest thing about this song is the name. It sounds basically like your typical Cradle song... Fast guitars & drums; Dani Filth screaming his lungs out. Occasional growling. Nothing special, just a typical CoF song.
03.The Death of Love: this is where my attention first got grabbed. It's actually pretty...for a CoF song. It's a bit slower, and has some female vocals.
04.13'th Caesar: as with many of Cradle's songs, this one starts off with talking in the beginning. Aside from the typical overly-fast guitars that Cradle always uses, this song actually has some cool-sounding heavy rhythm guitar stuff. Kinda cool melody.
05.Tiffauges: *gasp!* more intro-talking! Aside from that, this is an instrumental track. Well, more of a filler-track if you ask me.
06.Tragic Kingdom: fast guitars. Screaming. Growling. Cradle of Filth. Yeah.
07.Sweetest Maleficia: even more intro-talking. Fast guitars as usual... Anyway, I think the vocals sound kind of cool. At the very end, there is what appears to my ear to be sweep picking for a split second! This is the first time I can recall hearing CoF sweeping. The half-second of sweeping is followed by a cool solo, which isn't really common for Cradle. The whole song before the solo is a bit monotonous (as a lot of this albim is), though.
08.Honey And Sulfur: more intro-talking. The song itself starts off with pretty heavy-sounding rhythmic guitars, which I think sound good. Around halfway through, the guitars get cooler... for a while. One of the better songs on the album.
09.Midnight Shadows Crawl to Darken Counsel With Life: starts off with even more intro-talking. I had more fun memorizing the title than listening to the actual song. It's a bit random. You know, guitars, screaming, pauses, nothing special.
10.Darkness Incarnate: you guessed it: Intro talki- I mean,... uhh... poetry read by a small child? Didn't see that coming. After that, it appears to be another instrumental, until the screaming starts... A bit misleading. Anyway, it's still not a bad song (for this album, anyway). Not great, but OK. Ends with more child poetry.
11.Ten Leagues Beneath Contempt: no talking in the intro this time. I kind of like this song because it has some cool-sounding guitars randomly splattered throughout.
12.Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder: the title track. Intro talking. This is actually a pretty cool song. Not as boring as the rest. The guitars and vocals are more aggressive-sounding. Best one on the album.
13.Corpseflower: last song. Brief intro-talking. Then instrumental stuff. Then... Outtro-talking? Sure. // 5

Lyrics and Singing: Hmm, the lyrics... Well, Cradle of Filth lyric-wise falls next to bands like Dragonforce: Cool, but so dang repetitive that it gets boring! This album seemed less satanic that a lot of their others, talking about going to heaven and stuff like that. One of the main problems with the vocals, though, is that they are near impossible to understand. Don't get me wrong, I love Dani's singing (screaming/growling) style, but I couldn't understand a single one of his words to save my life. Anyway, the lyrics were actually one of the best things about the album. They seem to have concentrated so hard on the lyrics that they forgot to actually record cool music to go with them! // 7

Impression: Compared to Cradle's other albums, to put it very bluntly, this one sucks. None of the songs really stand out. In my opinion, Thornography (the album before this one) was the best they have done. Just about every song on there was a masterpiece. I thought that they were evolving, and that this would be more like (and possibly better than) Thornography. I was dead wrong. This is cradle's lamest album yet! It's boring, repetitive, un-melodic, monotonous, and just crappy. Part of the reason I'm giving it a low rating is because I had such high expectations after Thornography, and was very harshly let down. If I had absolutely nothing else to listen to I guess it would be OK, but it seriously was a huge waste of money. I do not recommend buying this album. // 5

overall: 9.3

Reviewed by: Drool_Mouse, on february 25, 2009

Sound: Let's begin by saying I'm the biggest Cradle of Filth fan. I did buy this album when I heard a couple of songs off the album, and heard how melodic this music has become. Cradle of Filth by themselves are an interesting band to say the least. They do everything they can to be repulsive, hence the black metal genre label they first received. Yet they are still extremely successful, one the the most successful British metal bands since Iron Maiden.

This album is a concept album based upon Gilles de Rais. He was a French soldier who fought besides Joan of Arc in the war against the British. He was a holy man who fell from grace once Joan was burned at the stake. He began to get involved in black magic and evil, committing evils of the flesh, etc. Overall, an intriguing concept for an album. Maybe not the most original, but interesting nonetheless. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: Dani Filth has some pretty incredible vocal skills. On this album, he goes from a little bit of growling and a second later is screeching again, the signature Cradle of Filth vocal sound. The lyrics are extremely well written, though sometimes, they seem to clash with the overall goal of the instrumentation, they still fit well enough. And they obviously revolve around the story.

The most notable set of vocals is on "The Death of Love" which is going by possible rumors of Gilles de Rais obsession, if not love affair with Joan of Arc. The song features Sarah Jezebel Deva who sings the part of Joan, as she is accused, convicted, and burned at the stake. There is so much emotion in this song, and various levels of intensity, which make it so important. // 9

Impression: This is the most melodic Cradle of Filth album I've heard talked about, and it definitely provides the right amount of melody and chaos all in the same song. Some of the most notable songs are: "The Death of Love" "13th Caesar" "Honey and Sulfur" and "Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder." I love the chaos mixed in with emotion and melody. Versus an onslaught of the same song 12 times on the same album. If it were lost or stolen, I would definitely buy it again. // 9

Comments

[shnurs]

more like poospeed.

nah jks i love these guys, great album, cant believe they used so much accoustic guitar and accordian!!!

[CoF-Dean]

5.7?????
What the hell!! its a fantastic album, deserve way more then that

[Hoodoo Child]

CoF-Dean wrote:

5.7?????
What the hell!! its a fantastic album, deserve way more then that

thats what i thought. no CoF album deserves 5.7

quick, someone review it and make the overall rating better!!!!!

[mylipsareonfire]

this dioreahs all over thornography.
woot

[SilverSpurs616]

Only heard 2 songs, to me it sounds like a Midian/Thronography cross. I don't mind that. What I DO mind is that this reviewer doesn't know what he's talking about.

Cradle of Filth lyric-wise falls next to bands like Dragonforce

Uh...what!? No dude, just..no.

I couldn't understand a single one of his words to save my life. Anyway, the lyrics were actually one of the best things about the album.

You couldn't understand the words, yet you think the lyrics are great? Here's a word you might not understand;- HYPOCRIT.

If anyone else has heard the full album, please give it a decent review. Something a bit more than "he screams, he growls, the guitar sounded cool on this one"

[shnurs]

more like cradle for a baby!

oh man how good is the piano on this album!!!

[Hippisandaali]

SilverSpurs616 wrote:

Only heard 2 songs, to me it sounds like a Midian/Thronography cross. I don't mind that. What I DO mind is that this reviewer doesn't know what he's talking about.

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I couldn't understand a single one of his words to save my life. Anyway, the lyrics were actually one of the best things about the album."

You couldn't understand the words, yet you think the lyrics are great? Here's a word you might not understand;- HYPOCRIT.

..He bought the album and read the lyrics from a sheet.
So I'd say no, the reviewer is not a hypocrite, on that area of the review. BUT he claims to be a fan of CoF, and still didn't know about the album.. He's a hypocrite.

[Senphay]

Waaaa!?

[thadedan(CFH)]

5.7... that about sums up cradle of filth for me in general.

[XXXjonasbros666]

This review was awful.

[+}-136-{+]

Hippisandaali wrote:
..He bought the album and read the lyrics from a sheet.
So I'd say no, the reviewer is not a hypocrite, on that area of the review. BUT he claims to be a fan of CoF, and still didn't know about the album.. He's a hypocrite.

That's absurd. Just because someone is a fan of a band and said band releases an album without the fan realizing makes the fan a hypocrite. That's terrible reasoning.

SilverSpurs616 wrote:
You couldn't understand the words, yet you think the lyrics are great? Here's a word you might not understand;- HYPOCRIT.

Ridiculous notion. Appreciating the lyrics for their quality but disliking the deliverance of them does not make someone a hypocrite. Don't be so quick to make such foolish judgments.

[+}-136-{+]

EDIT:

"ust because someone is a fan of a band and said band releases an album without the fan realizing,doesn't make the fan a hypocrite.

[undeaded]

MetalHammer gave this 9. I trust them a **** load more than this guy.

[Satyriasis]

Obviously if he thinks Thronography is a great album, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[CradleOfJames]

I love CoF but I didn't really get into this album as much as the others There was too much talking rather than screaming. Also, having a girl sing in "The Death of Love"... Not my cup of tea, but what ever floats your boat I guess...

[derd83]

never heard sweeping on a CoF disc? you started with Damnation And A Day, right?

Checked.

[Plaeghdraeger]

The album is way better than Thornography, that's a fact! Not bad at all...

[DirkLance]

thadedan(CFH) wrote:

5.7... that about sums up cradle of filth for me in general.

This.

[BGmetal]

This was by far one of the shittiest reviews I've ever read. And Thornography being Cradle's best album? What a jackass. Solid output by a great band. Horns up to Cradle of Filth.

[boyan89]

i'll still check the album out, you say the album was repetitive man, that review was repepetive....so i'm gonna check out the Cd because this review seems misleading in so many ways.

[Apperitiw]

eh lol i hate them ;/

[notsee]

Honestly, last great album was Damnation and a Day. Granted they went more back to their "roots" with Nymphetamine. . . overall that album sucked, and so did Thornography. . . . I haven't expected much since either of those two throwbacks. Just more commercial nonsense.

[Deflection]

Haven't heard, but the cover is damn cool.

[Kazue00]

It's his review, is he not entitled to his own opinion, if he reviews it and says its bad he automatically wrote a sh*tty reveiw? I'm pretty sure there's plenty of bands/alums you don't like you could write plenty of bad reviews on.. and then there'd be that fan boy that would flame you for doing so...

[Quantonyne]

i was into this review until the reviewer said that Thornography was their best, with that single line i threw out his entire review.

[SGibson666]

I'm still gonna keep my eye out for it. To each his own, especially for bands like CoF, its love/hate.

[+}-136-{+]

Kazue00 wrote:

It's his review, is he not entitled to his own opinion, if he reviews it and says its bad he automatically wrote a sh*tty reveiw?

Yes, people are entitled to their own opinions but this reviewers opinion has very little to do with the quality of the review itself. This is just a crappy review. It doesn't have to do with whether he likes this album or not, but he does a pitiful job illustrating what aspects of it he enjoyed and which ones he didn't. Simply put, crap review.

I'm pretty sure there's plenty of bands/alums you don't like you could write plenty of bad reviews on.. and then there'd be that fan boy that would flame you for doing so...

Again, whether you give an album a high rating or a low rating doesn't necessarily determine the quality of your review. If some CoF fanboy does a "review" ranting about how awesome CoF are and how he likes Dani's makeup or whtever, does that make his review good? I don't think so.

[Shimekiri]

I'd like to point out the reviewer's terrible english.

To be quite honest I'm not big on CoF some of their material is good but nothing to convert me into a fanboy. This album however I actually enjoyed, simply because it felt more melodic to me.

I checke dout some of the songs after reading this review and I still don't understand the rating...

[Skullshrinker]

Usually, I prefer listening to Cradle's old stuff, but Godspeed On The Devil's Thunder is just amazing...both melodic and fast...I love it !

[dogmax]

He totally overrates CoF in this review.

[ghost14]

Whoever reviewed this album is a complete fag. Its a great album, tons better then Thornography. Shame they don't tour the UK much.

[D3M0N L0RD]

SilverSpurs616 wrote:

Only heard 2 songs, to me it sounds like a Midian/Thronography cross. I don't mind that. What I DO mind is that this reviewer doesn't know what he's talking about.

Cradle of Filth lyric-wise falls next to bands like Dragonforce

Uh...what!? No dude, just..no.

I couldn't understand a single one of his words to save my life. Anyway, the lyrics were actually one of the best things about the album.

You couldn't understand the words, yet you think the lyrics are great? Here's a word you might not understand;- HYPOCRIT.

If anyone else has heard the full album, please give it a decent review. Something a bit more than "he screams, he growls, the guitar sounded cool on this one"

Wow dude, at least someone took the time to review it...if you dont like it look it up some where else.

[Lohnanmilitia]

Reviews are peoples opinions, and some peoples just suck! Not everyone can write a good review. Props for trying but a failed attempt. Album is definately better than Thornography, but i still prefer their older stuff. I do like the soloing and if they mended what they did on Nymphetamine and Midian more, they'd be totally killer!

[beelaal85]

CoF don't sound like CoF in this album, therefore I agree with the review.

[MaGgOt_13]

Satyriasis wrote:

Obviously if he thinks Thronography is a great album, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Satyriasis read my mind. Thornography isn't great. Something tells me that the reviewer only owns the 2 latest albums. Or perhaps he has spontaneously forgotten about Midian,Dusk...And Her Embrace, etc.
Now, those were great albums (In my opinion).
Although, to be fair, I havn't heard the new album yet, but I'm sure it wont be that bad. They would have to actually make an effort to go worse than Thornography.

+1

[NakedBassist]

This is exactly why I don't fully trust these reviews

[Jonny92]

Sorry but that was an awful review

[SnowFire]

In my opinion, Thornography (the album before this one) was the best they have done

wtf? horrible review
this guy is like 1 out of the thousand who like thornography. thorn was rated their worst album by far lol. this album is real black metal u shouldnt review albums if u dont know the genre...

[hamsterman64]

This review was obviously written by someone who doesn't like Cradle. I think this album is great! It's a true return to form. While I don't feel like it was as bad as some people made it out to be, Thornography was still mediocre. I only liked a few songs, and even then, Lovesick for Mina was the only one that really stood out as true to Cradle's sound. Anyway, I need to get back to the new album. Somebody get an unbiased review up there!

[RUSTDOGG666]

Way better than damnation and a day and thornography. didnt top nyphetamine but thats okay. this is the old cradle of filth i'm used to. they're back.

[lethaldosage45]

Sorry doode... I cant take you seriously if you think THORNOGRAPHY was a masterpiece??? Nymphetemine, damnation, Midian.. and so on are ALL better than Thorn. I have yet to hear this album... so IMA DO THAT RIGHT NOW!

[jma4269]

I have t disagree with you. It is your oppinion, but I believe Midian is their best album

[rick727]

i thought it was an awesome album and completely disagree with this guy. I give it an 8

[GREENWARRI0R]

Hoodoo Child wrote:
no CoF album deserves 5.7

EVERY CoF album deserves a 5.7

[jetfuel495]

DirkLance wrote:

thadedan(CFH) wrote:

5.7... that about sums up cradle of filth for me in general.


This.

That.

[reignofrock]

I agree with many people, if you didn't even know this album was coming out, obviously you don't like CoF enough to give a decent review. If I was to review Nickelback, I would give it a 5.7, because I don't like them. That does not mean millions of other people like shitty bands like Nickelback. Get someone who has listened to CoF since day 1 religiously, if they say 5.7, I may believe that more likely.

[SkarletKat]

Clearly whoever reviewed this stunning peice of music hasn't got a clue.
I reckon only people who actually like something should review things, theres no need to be nasty people!

[damo13]

SilverSpurs616 wrote:

Here's a word you might not understand;- HYPOCRIT.

"

HYPOCRIT
is that how u spell it?
lol

[AcouticShredder]

I don't think he's a COF fan, if your a fan, you know when albums come out, i mark every calendar i have when an album comes out, and frankly his "reviews" of the songs are pretty much filthy ****. I will buy this album and do a new review...

[Ghostly1]

Has this guy ever heard any Cradle before Thornography? There best album ever? What about Cruelty or Dusk, those are Cradle's best albums in my opinion. Godspeed is a good album I think, somewhat more similar to the old Cradle. Thornography was certainly no masterpiece, only one great song, Under Huntress Moon.

[Megalomaniac46]

I can't believe he called Dragonforce lyrics "cool"... I've pissed out cooler lyrics.

[SilverSpurs616]

undeaded wrote:

MetalHammer gave this 9. I trust them a **** load more than this guy.

^ this

[James_Het_Rules]

GREENWARRI0R wrote:


Hoodoo Child wrote:
no CoF album deserves 5.7


EVERY CoF album deserves a 5.7

only thornograpy

[tarnishedsoul66]

Heres a much better review obviously its not there best album (Dusk...And Her Embrace/My Favorite)this album was supposed to have a more epic and narrative feel this review this guy wrote is biased as hell and doesn't give cradle the credit they deserve this is quite better than thornography

[deadmansdiary]

hmm well if you thought thornography was their best album i just wasted my time reading that review. As for not being able to understand the lyrics, no shit. Has everyone but me forgotten that cradle of filth was once a grim black metal machine!

[archangelseren]

better than thornography so why complain? im not and neither should you

[YetAnotherMuso]

Man thornography sucked! What is this reviewer on?

[pootoob]

hamsterman64 wrote:
Somebody get an unbiased review up there!

Dude... You know that's impossible, as a review is based on the reviewer's opinion, and opinion=bias...

[BGmetal]

V Empire. Nuff said.

[therealryu]

a few songs of cradle have sweep picking in them. "tonight in flames" is one.

[Zecromancer]

Wow, this review got popular (for better or for worse) pretty quickly.

I'm sorry if I offended any hardcore CoF fans, but I just had such high expectations that I just HAD to give it a bad review. It let me down that much. I was pissed, I write negative reviews when I'm pissed.

Yes, I DID say I liked Thornography more. It was more melodic, and just had a cool sound in my opinion. In MY opinion. Doesn't have to be yours (or anyone else's for that matter).

And yes, I was biased. I'm not a big fan of THIS type of death metal. I prefer Thornography-ish stuff :p If you like this type and hate Thornography and want to kill me for saying everything I said about the album, then go ahead and give it a better review, it really deserves it, but not from me :p I'll respect anyone's opinion, good or bad. To each his own.

Sorry for the late reply.

[doomvader]

ok now COF WAS a great band until nymphetamine came out witch i found ^pretty crappy and thornography well... its not worth wasting my time commenting this album and there new album either. damnation was to me there last good album and the ablosute best... cruelty and the beast this album gives me such a rush but after that they were just good then came nymphetamine and everuthing crashed

[Zecromancer]

And to those wondering, yes, I HAVE listened to pre-Thornography stuff. I like most of it. Not all. But yeah, I've been listening to CoF since around '03 (not THAt long, but still...). I thought Nymphetamine was a mild step up from their other stuff, and Thorn was a big step up from that. Then this was the tumble down.

[Zecromancer]

To correct an error which will probably make me look like an idiot in the near future (already has, but oh well :p), I meant "since around '03" was not a very long time. I didn't mean Ihaven't really been listeneing to them that long, I have, but I understand that some people have been fans longer than 5 years.

Anyway I type too much at night, goodnight everyone. Enjoy or hate the review.

[snuggleblade]

this band sounds totally extreme. is this mallcore or emocore?

[Zecromancer]

Oh yeah yeah and 1 more thing, I compared the lyrics to Dragonforce to emphasize the fact that they were cool, but very repetitive. The lyrics themselves don't have anything at all to do with DF, that's not what I meant.

(OK, seriously good night now lol)

[Zecromancer]

Oh, snuggleblade (while I'm on a typing roll, might as well respond to you) I was NOT the one who wrote "extreme metal", or anything else in the header. Don't bash me for that part :p I just wrote the Sound-Lyrics-Impression part, flame me for anything in there, but not for the part above that. I didn't write that :P. I'd just classify CoF as 'death metal'.

Goodnight until further notice.

[reaper_x]

DirkLance wrote:

thadedan(CFH) wrote:

5.7... that about sums up cradle of filth for me in general.

This.

That.

[warfalcon53]

theres sweeping in the solo for Tonight in Flames from the last album, paul allender is turning out to be a pretty good guitar player, setting out from the rest of the black metal crowd. but their lyrics are always sweet, but some of their talent was restrained on this album cause its a concept album

[Robert I.]

The fact that the reviewer has nothing bad to say about the album, yet it only gets 5.7, makes me think that he thought it was a 1-6 rating system, like a dice roll...

[_ChewY_]

the album is incredible i absolutely love it
but does the face on the cover look like rick james to anyone else or is it just me?

[BGmetal]

When I said 'shittiest review' I just meant the way it was written. Not a lot of detail...that kind of thing. And..."is this mallcore or emocore?" With hardcore the obvious exception, anything with 'core' at the end is just gay. Why do people add that after anyword that comes to their mind? "This is 'crapcore'!"

[SGibson666]

_ChewY_ wrote:

the album is incredible i absolutely love it
but does the face on the cover look like rick james to anyone else or is it just me?

Actually, i noticed that too. When i saw the review picture on the UG homepage, i thought "CoF doing an album after Rick James... Oh Boy..."

[Hendrix_fan_14]

They should have included Balsamic and Anathema on the album.

great song that is.

[doomsoldier27]

I have read quite a few of the comments on here and while I agree that the guy did try to review the album and epically fail at it....at least he tried. On another point I really don't understand why everyone says that Thornography was their worst album. I own and listen to the ENTIRE catalogue and while I will agree that Dusk is probably their best, I feel that Thorn is a very close second. I enjoyed that they tried to do something different, it showed that they have the capability of evolving to stay fresh. Just because something is different from the previous albums does not mean it is inherently bad. If you like the album great, if not, just take it in stride. Obviously we are all CoF fans and you like some albums while others you don't; so what they are still a great band and that is all that really matters.

[I_Collect_Picks]

cruelty and the beast ftw.

this album is good.

[doomsoldier27]

I said that I agree that Dusk was their best album, but I need to fix that. I feel that Cruelty was by far their best album.

[kurtshapedbox]

I really like the addition of Martin to the band. I find his parts to be so much more interesting than anything Adrian ever did.

I actually thought pretty highly of this album, especially in comparison to thier other more recent efforts. This is the first album since Dusk that I don't frequently feel like skipping songs on. Not to mention that the production actually did the album justice for once...the production on DAAD-Thornography just sounds dry and lackluster to me.

I'm very pleased with this album. It seems to be a cluster-fu*k of sounds from all of their releases, and actually compiled in a tasteful way.

[ServantofBurzum]

It's kind of sad in my opinion when you say that there guitarist is doing good soloing. The black metal that I want to make has crazy tremolo picking like most BM, but it also has more solos. Happy to see that Cradle is finally putting guitar solos in there songs.

[hollowsoul666]

zecromancer ur review was the saddest review i've read in a long time
dementer great review!
i think darkness incarnate left me mezmerised
amazing song good old cradle

[decayingdave]

Excellent review, dunno what everyone's complaining about? I would like to get this album now considering how you're one of the few people who've even heard OF old school Cradle like ''The Principle of Evil Made Flesh'', and considering you've got a very similar point of view as I have of Cradle then ''Godspeed blah blah blah...'' must be worth getting.

As you said, after Nympthetamine (however it's spelt?) and Thornography, I thought they'd be out of the game in a matter of months, but I went to see them play in Northampton (my third time) and I have to say it was the best gig I've ever been to, and I've been to many, many gigs beforehand and since.

Anyways, well done for persuading me to get this album, and let's hope that this is just Cradle's first step out of the bland of thornography.

[PanteraRebel]

this is an awesome album **** u reviewers you dont know shit what ur talking bout

[Necromanga]

PanteraRebel wrote:

this is an awesome album **** u reviewers you dont know shit what ur talking bout

Totally! This album is my fav!

[hokiecmo]

I absolutely love this album, it's one of my favorites.

[bluntstrike]

deadmansdiary wrote:

hmm well if you thought thornography was their best album i just wasted my time reading that review. As for not being able to understand the lyrics, no shit. Has everyone but me forgotten that cradle of filth was once a grim black metal machine!

only during the days on the principle of evil made flesh.. Im not a Filth fan.. But since ive heard that Ashley Ellyllon from Abigail Williams is now playing for them, I listened to the new album. After a few tunes, I was hooked..