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Systematic Chaos Review

artist: dream theater date: 07/03/2008 category: compact discs
Systematic Chaos
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magvol :
too be honest.. i listened to the whole cd, then to old DT.. i was disapointed like hell.. ok CD, kickass.. but nothing like the old cds
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:13 am / quote |
kalamari :
^ being first is nothing to shout about so keep your joy to yourself. anyway, i can understand some people have said they prefer the older DT because it is less heavy than this and ToT, but personally i prefer their heavy side, it's what they want to do and i think it's amazing to see DT at such a high level of song writing at their age, and so prolific at that. An awesome album, Ministry Of Lost Souls will not escape my head!
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:23 am / quote |
ordinary_story :
pretty mixed responses to the album and to "those 2 songs" - Constant motion and The Dark Eternal Night.....
but one thing common in all those reviews - Ministry Of Lost Souls!!! great track...

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:42 am / quote |
magvol :
ehrm.. i dont think this is any more heavy than the old.. and i prefer music that is very heavy
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:51 am / quote |
Divinephyton :
I must admit the new CD is more straightforward and less prog. than let's say SFAM. One might say it's more commercial *cough Roadrunner cough* and that they're disappointed with DT.

I'm not, it's a great album, memorable songs, nice and intriguing, it's definitely worth the money two times over. I'll say it again, it's a great album. The problem is that DT have always delivered albums beyond brilliance and fans sometimes hope for too much (like Portnoy said, people would still be disappointed if they were to bring the second coming of Christ :p).

I'll be one of the first to admit it's not their best, but it's certainly not their worst (do they even have that? no, they don't :p ). To put it simple the album definitely kicks ass, go listen to it, you'll see.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:53 am / quote |
Aftertime :
oh wow it's finally out~all this time i've been waiting didn't know it was this close! going to buy it tomorrow~thanks for the reviews
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 08:12 am / quote |
carpe-diem :
I'll be one of the first to admit it's not their best, but it's certainly not their worst (do they even have that? no, they don't :p )


What do you call Falling Into Infinity?

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 08:17 am / quote |
drunken ninja :
i love this album!!!!! i think prohpets of war and repetence couldve been better/more epic. in the prescence of enemies might be the greatest song ever
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 08:18 am / quote |
TheUncreator :
great album, i love it alot, In The Presence Of Enemies Part 1 and 2 are some of my favorites, along with the The Dark Eternal Night, Repentance, And SO Many Others.

DT Never fail to make a super kick ass album.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 08:48 am / quote |
guynaa :
but you have to admit like others here that its not their best. not in the level of octavarium or train of thought
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 09:22 am / quote |
saty :
Dream Theater r0cks my s0cks !
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 09:25 am / quote |
metalter :
Kickass album!!!! In The Presence of Enemies is just awesome!!! Hail DT.... \m/ \m/
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 09:25 am / quote |
agm_ultimatex :
Yeah I agree it's not their best. I've read comments on youtube, fans wanting htem to go back to the awake sound. Personally I think moving on and progressing is a better idea. Awake and Falling into Infinity weren't the best times. Metropolis p2 was a better time for em. Lyrically my favourite too.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 09:45 am / quote |
Divinephyton :
carpe-diem :
What do you call Falling Into Infinity?


A good album nonetheless, why do people talk thrash about FII, I think it has very good songs (Trial of Tears, Hollow years,...)
No offense but people nowadays just don't have their own opinion, they follow what the masses think, for example, you'll always find people bashing CoB or Dimmu Borgir or Trivium, although imho these bands do have some (stressing somedefinitely not all) good songs, regardless of how poser some are in person...
Open mindedness is not a keyword of the new millennium...
(Then again, it wasn't one of the previous one either :p)

Now I'm not saying you don't have your own opinion carpe-diem, and I'm aiming this towards the general metal head. I do respect your opinion on FII, I merely don't agree with it.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 10:05 am / quote |
Bassist #5 :
i am a huge dream theater fan and i can say this is definitly my favorite album to date. and their darkest. the slower songs are great but they keep it to a mellow more dark side. and everything else is basically constant motion. its more heavy than usual and its a new place for them and they delivered. train of though was dark form start to finish but this one has balls! no song was a dissapointment. all in all this is a great album.
ASS AND BALLS!

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 10:43 am / quote |
GuitarGod1212 :
I just recently got into the Dream Theater with the "Score" album and now I love them. I think it is amazing how they play their songs and rock out. I listened to this entire album and thought it was ok. There are a few songs that sound like Metallica to me but thats fine. I love the album thanks for keeping the Dream Theater experience alive.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 10:49 am / quote |
robbymml :
The Album's not really a let down for me, it's a real trip! I mean sure it's not as consistently unique as octavarium, trail of thought, and six degrees of inner turbulence, but the storytelling and technical difficulty of the songs in the album still leave jaws dropped (especially after I first heard the starting riff of dark eternal night)! Every DT album has its good points and bad points, but in my opinion the only bad point in this album is that Constant Motion was the picked single... NOT a great song to release as a single to grab new fans; DT newbies wouldn't be treated to the excellent technical solos and time-changes that have captivated us DT-followers in past albums... Gad, I'd love to see a compilation CD released of all 12 suites of alcoholics anonymous songs when they're all done; that would be a great novelty DT album itself!
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:04 am / quote |
distilledspirit :
I love the new album it's so amazing compared to some past releases!

Btw, In The Presence of Enemies was split into two parts because POrtnoy didn't want the album to end in a boring 30 minute song.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:10 am / quote |
Kadavreski :
distilledspirit wrote:

I love the new album it's so amazing compared to some past releases!

Btw, In The Presence of Enemies was split into two parts because POrtnoy didn't want the album to end in a boring 30 minute song.
so he thought it'd be a better idea to end it in half a boring 30 minute song?

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:17 am / quote |
Psycho Pigeon :
i found all the songs on the album sounded the same
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:24 am / quote |
zhille :
Sorry, but then you didn't listen to them well.
I heard all of the people complaining about DT being too heavy...what's up? I would like DT even if they played blues...the band gotta progress. I personally like the heavy and metal side of DT.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:49 am / quote |
cglb123 :
distilledspirit wrote:

Btw, In The Presence of Enemies was split into two parts because POrtnoy didn't want the album to end in a boring 30 minute song.


That's not true at all. It was split up during post production. Portnoy wanted it to begin and end the album. He did not want to end the album with it because they did that with 8v, and he did not want to open with it because they did that with ACOS.
Here's the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj_iwNlMZ0I

...and I don't find the song to be the least bit boring imo.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 01:05 pm / quote |
b101 :
fairly confused by the UG review i have to say - first track over 16mins...no it's not. And i actually laughed out loud with regard to the thought that someone entertained the idea that Constant Motion is a ballad...oh and Repentance is definitely not a song that requires ten shred solos

that being said, it's a solid album, not their best, not their worst (Train of Thought and it's aimless mid-tempo riffs have that honour) - but I'm sure it'll grow on me further anyway

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 02:16 pm / quote |
JeffWiredBeck24 :
The UG Review is wrong. The first track is nine minutes, the last is 16 minutes.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 02:55 pm / quote |
Anty 7 :
I still don't understand how people didn't like Train Of Thought!
It's my favourite with Scenes from a Memory (two very different albums)

Anyway, I wasn't a big fan of Octavarium, and I wasn't expecting something great... And I was right.
Half of this album sounds like a generic metal band, die-hard DT fans will probably hate it. And Portnoy's drumming is still not up to what he did since Tot. But there are some memorable progressive moments like the middle of The Dark Eternal Night.

That song plus Repentance are the high points for me. But this album doesn't sound like they really tried. To me, it's the least progressive out of all their albums. I'm not a big prog fan, but that's why we like Dream Theater right?

So yeah, bad album for DT, but I still prefer a shoddy DT album then most of the "heavy" crap out there today.

Each and every one of their albums are truely unique, and the next one will probably be very different. Still a good album, just disappointing, not a classic.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 02:59 pm / quote |
Gunpowder :
Geez. I completely forgot that this was being released this month...I've gotta scrape together $15 and get my ass to a music store
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 03:03 pm / quote |
Isidro Portillo :
First of all, to everybody that thinks DT should sound like in the past, I think you're forgeting that a band should move on and make some new things, don't you think? And about the album, even though it's not as good as Octavarium (which I think it's their best album), still it's amazing, pretty much what I was expecting of them. All songs are very strong except Repentance (I think they wouldn't have to use fragments of old songs, since they're so creative). In the presence of enemies, the ministry of lost souls and prophets of war are, for me, the best of the album and some of the best DT material in all time. And, I have to say that DT has taken a lot from Muse: just listen to minute 3:37 of In the presence of enemies Pt 1 and Stockholm Syndrome's chorus by muse and you'll know what I mean; and, of course, the obvious influence in Prophets of war. But that Muse thing is not a problem at all, DT and Muse are my favourite bands, so, what the hell. In conclusion, Systematic chaos rules!
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 03:03 pm / quote |
LynchMobster :
Wow. Thats it. In the Presence of Enemies pt 1, Constant Motion, and The Dark Eternal Night are my faves. The whole album is great though. Definately one of my fave DT albums. Right up there with A Change of Seasons and Train of Thought
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 03:13 pm / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
Divinephyton wrote:

I must admit the new CD is more straightforward and less prog. than let's say SFAM. One might say it's more commercial *cough Roadrunner cough* and that they're disappointed with DT.

I'm not, it's a great album, memorable songs, nice and intriguing, it's definitely worth the money two times over. I'll say it again, it's a great album. The problem is that DT have always delivered albums beyond brilliance and fans sometimes hope for too much (like Portnoy said, people would still be disappointed if they were to bring the second coming of Christ :p).

I'll be one of the first to admit it's not their best, but it's certainly not their worst (do they even have that? no, they don't :p ). To put it simple the album definitely kicks ass, go listen to it, you'll see.


lol, agreed. it may not be my favorite (though im not totally sure, i havent listened to it enough yet)... but the CD is ****ing awesome, and if i lost it, i would buy it over and over again. no negative words for this album... some people think the lyrics are lame, but honestly, the lyrics (to me) have never been the strong point of DT. i listen to them mostly for the music, and less for the lyrics. and i enjoy a little amusing, fantasy lyrics every now and then... things dont always have to be serious! =)

Divinephyton wrote:

carpe-diem :
What do you call Falling Into Infinity?

A good album nonetheless, why do people talk thrash about FII, I think it has very good songs (Trial of Tears, Hollow years,...)


i think, for me personally, FII wasnt as great as it could have been... because i heard SFAM before lol. im sure if i had listened to it right after Awake i would have liked it a lot more. i still think it has its bright spots, but definitely one of my less-favorite albums by DT (notice, i still like it).

Systematic Chaos, like i said before, is simply awesome. i love it... nice and heavy, like ToT, but IMO it is more diverse. i still love ToT though... that album actually got me into Dream Theater, because at the time I was into really heavy music. ive since moved on from that all-heavy-music mentality =)

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 03:14 pm / quote |
cados121 :
I love this album, definitely gets in my head. The Special Edition is a must have, a great documentary directed by MP. Thank god for Dream Theater! or would that be redundant...
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 04:15 pm / quote |
ivan_2894 :
GREAT ALBUM!
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 04:47 pm / quote |
GiG-DaDDy :
This is a great album, something fresh, the special edition is great, loved the making of Systematic Chaos, very inspiring!!!


POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 06:03 pm / quote |
YYZ :
I did not like this album. They made all the music sounds ridiculously corny and cheesy, as if it weren't meant for a game of DDR or something. Also, sounds like they were playing through computers or something, it just doesn't sound real.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 06:28 pm / quote |
YYZ :
Let me retype that.

I did not like this album. They made all the music sound ridiculous, corny and cheesy, as if it were meant for a game of DDR or something. Also, it sounds like they were playing through computers or something, it just doesn't sound real. There is no energy!

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 06:30 pm / quote |
vengance302 :
My God this is any amazing album
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 06:41 pm / quote |
SvnStringMaster :
great album
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 07:07 pm / quote |
calebrocker :
carpe-diem wrote:

I'll be one of the first to admit it's not their best, but it's certainly not their worst (do they even have that? no, they don't :p )


What do you call Falling Into Infinity?


Falling into Infinity was terrible, it's one of my favorites. Though, I can't say I don't like any DT album, because they're all so awesome in their own way.

POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 09:42 pm / quote |
Ibzman :
This album is awesome as any other DT album I don't understand why anyone would say that Falling Into Infinity or Awake wasn't good, because it's false. They're awesome album, great work from DT and Systematic Chaos is an other album that continues their great legacy.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 10:27 pm / quote |
Paroxysm :
The best DT album yet since 6DOIT.
POSTED: 06/08/2007 - 11:09 pm / quote |
dinley :
Just got the special edition copy with the documentary. Very awesome stuff. All the lyrics are explained there.
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 12:05 am / quote |
PeruvianSkies :
The only dream theater album that ever flirted with being bad was when dream and day unite.
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 12:12 am / quote |
slowhekau :
PeruvianSkies wrote:

The only dream theater album that ever flirted with being bad was when dream and day unite.


Indeed. This album is awesome.

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 12:39 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
"it had to have... balls, yknow? just.... balls"

lol. portnoy is hilarious. great album!

(petrucci's nightmares are hilarious as well)

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 02:30 am / quote |
Silky Smooth :
At first I must admit I didnt like the album at all

Now that i've ran it through a few more times I think it's fantastic! You guys have to give it more then one chance to take it in proper.

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 02:51 am / quote |
xXChimairaXx :
Dream Theater.

The archetype of Progressive Metal. What else can be said.

Except they're a kickass band. Long live Petrucci and Portnoy.

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 02:57 am / quote |
Pompuswazak :
To begin with when I heard Dream Theater were going to a completely metal label I was a bit scared about what they were doing. Then I heard Petrucci say about how all of his lyrics were fictional and I got REALLY scared. Then I heard Constant Motion and I was annoyed, I thought they had sold out. Then I noticed my Constant Motion play count was already in the 50's...now I love Systematic Chaos the way I love every other Dream Theater album.
No DT album is better than another, they are all just different and they all show the progression of DT as a band.
I think that people forget that this is the most technical music on earth. As for metal heads and trendy people...if you don't like it thats fine, go and listen to your music but don't knock DT for what they do, because what they do is what your bands could only dream of doing.

I guess I might have to remind you of a song called "Never Enough"...you might have heard of it. Those of us who are real DT fans appreciate everything that they do for us.

Thankyou Dream Theater.

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 05:27 am / quote |
MasterofPuppet1 :
This sounds awesome, i'll definately buy it asap.
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 08:20 am / quote |
Judgment89 :
I didn't like this album at all, it's probably the second worst album from Dream Theater (Falling into infinity was the worst). The lyrics are way too cheesy, the overall sound makes me feel like this is meant for masses, not DT fans (Forsaken is a good example). Only track worth listening is Constant Motions, which has some nice riffs (it has few elements from thrash metal as well).
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 01:54 pm / quote |
Joe Welsh :
i agree 100% with judgment89
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 02:00 pm / quote |
vanhalenforever :
isn't theres some other guy singing in dark eternal night? i remember watching the studio version on youtube, and some blading guy with glasses was singing the extremly heavy grungy vocals
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 05:06 pm / quote |
Shreddin 4 Life :
vanhalenforever wrote:

isn't theres some other guy singing in dark eternal night? i remember watching the studio version on youtube, and some blading guy with glasses was singing the extremly heavy grungy vocals


wouldn't that be Mike Portnoy?

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 07:26 pm / quote |
GEARS_OF_DETH :
this album is the best shit i heard so far this year ,....THANK GOD FOR DT
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 08:11 pm / quote |
GiG-DaDDy :
Look men, i mean boys..., I know its hard to accept something profound to adolescence, thats acceptable, but really, you have to be a REAL musician or audiophile to appreciate such greatness that you cannot even come close to achieving...

Sorry, but i just can't stand ignorant, pubescent little whiny bitches, that should have been born girls, LOL!!!

This album is great & beats the anything else out that falls in such a category!!

POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 11:43 pm / quote |
GiG-DaDDy :
Stand up & be men, not little bouys haha!
POSTED: 06/09/2007 - 11:45 pm / quote |
Bassin Fingers :
I've yet to hear this album; didn't even realize it was already coming out yet, honestly. I was a big fan of Images and Words (which I don't think anyone here even mentioned) since I pretty much grew up on it. I'm not really familiar with their other work, but I'm definitely looking into picking this one up.
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 12:06 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
if you liked Images & Words, i might suggest Awake, Scenes From A Memory, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Octavarium. the others are great as well, but a little different. Train of Thought and Systematic Chaos are the two heaviest albums (i like them a lot as well). When Dream and Day Unite has annoying vocals... Falling Into Infinity has some great highlights, as does A Change of Seasons... IMO, they're all great in their own ways.

i thought the spoken word collage in Repentance was awesome (surprised me to hear Satch and Vai on a DT album, lol). great album.

POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 03:16 am / quote |
tommyg_99 :
This is an excellent album. I don't understand people's problems with it. 'The lyrics are lame and cheesy.' Um... have you ever heard a dream theater song? They're meant to be! And because they did the move to Roadrunner, they were told that they had to have 1 or 2 singles (explaining Constant Motion and Forsaken). I got the special edition too, definately worth it. To explain something else about Repentance, Portnoy says that because all the previous songs in the AA suite were hardcore fast songs, if they ever played the whole suite together, they'd need a breather in there. He also said that they split ITPOE because it was a great way to open the album and a great way to end it.

I think it was a fantastic album, definately up there in the greats. Special Edition is worth it too.

POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 03:18 am / quote |
boyan89 :
this album is just pure fantastic!JOHN PETRUCCI IS A LEGEND LONG LIVE DREAM THEATER!!!!
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 09:19 am / quote |
ilir :
Experimental album, but great sounds.
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 09:37 am / quote |
metaldud536 :
Repentance is such a freaky song.
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 10:27 am / quote |
b101 :
For some reason parts of the ministry of lost souls remind me of a bond movie...the outro especially although I can't think why. Still utterly amazing though
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 11:44 am / quote |
Pompuswazak :
Yeah man I was listening to Ministry and my mum walked past the computer and said "ooo that sounds like James Bond". I was very confused but at leased she's not the only one lol
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 12:06 pm / quote |
slettis :
i never been to fond a dream theater lyrics; at least not the fictional ones. seems like i can never get the message.

when it comes the music i love the way the keep on changing..they do what is excellent music rather then caring about genres, expectations etc..
Systematic Chaos isn't my favorite DT album but it still great, and the guitarsolo in "in the prescence of enemies" may well be on of the best ever!

POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 12:08 pm / quote |
METSOAD :
Constant motion is on my myspace and i can't stop listenig to the dark eternal night, i need the rest o this album now
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 12:16 pm / quote |
AustinK :
agm_ultimatex wrote:

Yeah I agree it's not their best. I've read comments on youtube, fans wanting htem to go back to the awake sound. Personally I think moving on and progressing is a better idea. Awake and Falling into Infinity weren't the best times. Metropolis p2 was a better time for em. Lyrically my favourite too.


I agree. If the band considers themselves a progressive metal group, why do so many people complain whenever they do just what they've set out to do? Personally, I couldn't be happier; I love this album.

POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 04:20 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
A part of the intro (once it becomes slower) to "In the Presence of Enemies Pt. 1" reminded me -so- much of "Glasgow Kiss" by Petrucci.
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 04:29 pm / quote |
Jawshuwa :
...And, I will admit, after listening to "The Dark Eternal Night," I thought to myself, "...What the **** are they doing ?"
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 04:34 pm / quote |
Forced In :
I prefer Octavarium, it seemed so much tighter as an album...
POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 06:15 pm / quote |
feltgrape :
some say dt's old stuff is better than their new stuff, I think all their albums are just pieces of a puzzle to their style. They've sounded different every record yet stayed the same style and sound plus keeping their fans.
This album is great, to me it sounds like a mix of octavarium and train of thought.

POSTED: 06/10/2007 - 11:37 pm / quote |
Musicman48858 :
A little off topic, but uhh... the first track is only minutes... the last track is over 16 minutes...

other than that, a great review... and although the album wasn't my favorite on first listen... some of the tracks are really growing on me

POSTED: 06/11/2007 - 12:22 am / quote |
Guitar_Poet :
AustinK wrote:

agm_ultimatex wrote:

Yeah I agree it's not their best. I've read comments on youtube, fans wanting htem to go back to the awake sound. Personally I think moving on and progressing is a better idea. Awake and Falling into Infinity weren't the best times. Metropolis p2 was a better time for em. Lyrically my favourite too.

I agree. If the band considers themselves a progressive metal group, why do so many people complain whenever they do just what they've set out to do? Personally, I couldn't be happier; I love this album.


indeed. and Awake was ****ing great lol... FII wasnt the best but it too had some great songs... yea, i agree the albums are all just part of the puzzle. progressive = not the same album over and over. i love that! i HATE it when i get an album and i already knew what it was going to sound like before it came out... thats weak sauce.

POSTED: 06/11/2007 - 01:23 am / quote |
KingGohma :
I think Dark Eternal Night shows that Dream Theater can go from prog madness to a real Pantera-esque song. Also, part of the singing sounded almost like a scream to me. Surprising.

Great album.

POSTED: 06/11/2007 - 02:08 am / quote |
Swamplord :
Can't wait to pick this up
POSTED: 06/11/2007 - 07:58 am / quote |
kevinm4435 :
I like this almost as much as SFAM! Fuckin' A instrumental sections, awesome epics, and the most monstrous riffs from DT yet.
POSTED: 06/11/2007 - 09:29 pm / quote |
kevinm4435 :
I ****ing love this album.
POSTED: 06/12/2007 - 03:15 pm / quote |
mdude :
Got to be my Favorite album after AWAKE! The Melodies and Instrumentations are so neat and clear! great production. great songs.
A Great job by LaBrie aswell.

TRUELY AWESOMMME!

POSTED: 06/12/2007 - 08:00 pm / quote |
vndr8n52 :
freakin great album...i dont like Repentance much...i cant put a reason as to why...maybe its just to slow and repetitive; kind of dragged out...
POSTED: 06/13/2007 - 12:23 pm / quote |
AllWthnMyHands :
Is anyone else bored by DT? I'm not saying they aren't good musicians but they just don't release anything that really catches me. It's music theory gone wild and it just gets monotonous and boring
POSTED: 06/13/2007 - 01:37 pm / quote |
tetsuma :
Was I the only person disappointed with this albumn?
POSTED: 06/14/2007 - 03:23 am / quote |
dinley :
this album seems a lot more focused guitar-wise than octavarium.
POSTED: 06/24/2007 - 01:41 am / quote |
ICreamsodAI :
This album is so good...

Is it possible to dislike Dream Theater??

POSTED: 06/24/2007 - 02:25 am / quote |
affinity_strat :
^^ I tested that theory with some pot headed hippie/Nirvana fan today, and he just said "Man, Music is about freedom, like Nirvana."


In The Presence of enemies pt I is what you show off to people to prove that your favorite band is better than theirs, whether they like their music or not. Man, there's one little part in the slow guitar solo where John just does this little completely standard, and it just amazed me how he got even that to sound so much better than anyone else could pull off. his tone is to die for in that solo.

The Dark Eternal Night makes me groove, and I like it. even though it was a bit surprising at first.

The little intro to Repentance always makes me anticipate "This Dying Soul", and then I get a little disappointed when it doesn't come. It's still a great song though.

and Constant Motion Pawns anything metallica could ever hope to do.

POSTED: 06/24/2007 - 11:21 pm / quote |
GUNZ 'N' ROSES :
listened to this entire album and thought it was ok. There are a few songs that sound like Metallica to me but thats fine


for a brief second in constant motion, but no longer. DT cant be compared to metallica

POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 07:20 am / quote |
GUNZ 'N' ROSES :
The little intro to Repentance always makes me anticipate "This Dying Soul",


yea i was a litle freaked wen they did the riff, i thought why would they recy a riff!!! no they didnt! and at first constant motion sounded like erotomania but i i might of bein just dreamin cause now wen i listen to it i dont do think that ne more.

peace

POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 07:25 am / quote |
GUNZ 'N' ROSES :
The little intro to Repentance always makes me anticipate "This Dying Soul",


yea i was a litle freaked wen they did the riff, i thought "why would they recycle a riff!!! no they didnt!" but once it got into it i waz like mean!! and at first constant motion sounded like erotomania but i i might of bein just dreamin cause now wen i listen to it i dont do think that ne more.

peace

POSTED: 06/25/2007 - 07:28 am / quote |
Reviewer Pete :
I do like this album, ITPOE, Ministry of Lost Souls and Forsaken are all top notch tracks. Lyrically it's top notch, even though I am bothered by the obvious fact that JP "borrowed" the lyrics from a Korean comic book called "Priest".

Repentance, in the context of the album drags a bit, but I suppose it'll work better in the context of the AA Suite.

Overall, I find it to be a step in the right direction and a very ejoyable album. Psyched as hell to see them live this fall.

POSTED: 06/28/2007 - 06:42 am / quote |
Cresspo :
hmm am I going nuts or isn't there anyone who misses the nice and less heavy songs? I mean: Where are the songs like: The Silent Man, Hollow Years and Anna Lee? I really like this album but I really loved the sweet and sometimes happy songs:P, well, for as far as you can call them happy but the stuff like there was on Six Degrees. Ow and I really liked FII. Really don't know why you guys hate the album so much:p. Maybe it's not a technical great album but it sounds good for me.
As for this album: I really do enjoy the switch between heavy (constant motion, which is NOT a ballad:P, The dark Eternal Night) and the somewhat slower songs (Repentance and maybe Prophets of War and Ministry of Lost Souls). Furthermore: Forsaken, GREAT SONG. It sounds good, made me think of Evanescence, which maybe isn't good:P but I liked it and I would love to hear it on the radio

POSTED: 06/28/2007 - 07:06 am / quote |
vanhalenforever :
this album rocks

POSTED: 06/30/2007 - 05:25 pm / quote |
travislausch :
ICreamsodAI wrote:

This album is so good...

Is it possible to dislike Dream Theater??

Yeah, if you're a Pain Of Salvation fan.

I'm the exception to THAT rule.

POSTED: 06/30/2007 - 06:23 pm / quote |
Twist of Cain :
Bassist #5 wrote:

i am a huge dream theater fan and i can say this is definitly my favorite album to date. and their darkest. the slower songs are great but they keep it to a mellow more dark side. and everything else is basically constant motion. its more heavy than usual and its a new place for them and they delivered. train of though was dark form start to finish but this one has balls! no song was a dissapointment. all in all this is a great album.
ASS AND BALLS!


Im with you on that.

POSTED: 07/03/2007 - 06:20 pm / quote |
Decepticon_son :
i think everyone who thought they had a grip on music and music theory died a little inside when they thought "oh great now ive got to learn in the presence of enemies-part 2..."
(good challenge though)

absolutly incredible album cant wait for the tour/next album

POSTED: 07/04/2007 - 02:15 pm / quote |
Decepticon_son :
I think its safe to say every musician whos listened to this album and wanted to learn ITPOE 1&2 had a few choice words of frustration

youve either gotta be on the most powerful of hallucinogens or a master of music theory to come up with that craziness

amazing album, cant wait for tour/next album(?)

POSTED: 07/04/2007 - 02:18 pm / quote |
CZHunter :
You know my problem with these low ratings on this album? It's that the people that do them are still stuck in 1994 with Images and Words and Awake, wearing Kevin Moore t-shirts and refusing to believe that there is a keyboardist for DT named Jordan Rudess. Because you know, Dream Theater EVOLVE, much like any other band, and I still think that they kick ass. So what if it's not Awake or I&W? Personally, I like their heavy side. They're Progressive Metal for a reason.
POSTED: 07/12/2007 - 11:45 am / quote |
Limaj_daas :
I think the album wuz very well done, though i mean the lyrics got a bit too "fatasy-like" at time lol. But still, it was well done. Plus, they're progressive metal, they draw influences from Heavy Metal and Thrash... Seriously, why do u think they covered Master of Puppets and Number of the Beast? Because those albums influence the band greatly! Same goes with DSOTM.
POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 04:08 pm / quote |
Limaj_daas :
btw, did anyone notice that in the DVD, Myung didn't say a SINGLE word!!!
POSTED: 07/13/2007 - 05:06 pm / quote |
Nightfyre :
Limaj_daas wrote:

btw, did anyone notice that in the DVD, Myung didn't say a SINGLE word!!!

Ignorant fool, Myung never talks! He is the silent bass god! :P
Seriously though, does he ever talk?
@decepticon_son: yeah... it's a b!tch if you're determined to hold to basic music theory. It's a great way to explore some more unusual progressions and chords, though. Definitely opened me up to some more unusual structures. Between this and Opeth, my style, both instrumentally and lyrically, has changed dramatically. For the better, if I may say so myself.
I died a little inside when I learned that the closest they were coming to Georgia was Texas... which reminds me, I have yet to go bug them about that...
CZHunter gets +1 from me, he's absolutely right.

POSTED: 07/14/2007 - 02:32 pm / quote |
ali Bear :
dream theater rule and the album rules, and thanx to this ****ing awsome album i am now a dream theater fan. Images and words is a great album, but rember people times move on and so do bands and the music they play. this is new teritory for DT and in my oppinon its fresh and original and better than alot of other shit thats around today in an industry that is getting so overused and boring!!!!!
POSTED: 07/20/2007 - 04:45 am / quote |
NOLA :
this is one of the most amazing albums of all time
POSTED: 07/20/2007 - 03:23 pm / quote |
Dixie Wolf :
I think the intro Constant Motion is one of the coolest guitar riffs I've ever heard

POSTED: 07/23/2007 - 08:02 pm / quote |
ali Bear :
yeah the only problem with constant motion is that it sounds a little bit like the metallic riff riff they never wrote, that would have featured on the black album
POSTED: 07/25/2007 - 03:40 am / quote |
dark_falco3000 :
GiG-DaDDy wrote:

Look men, i mean boys..., I know its hard to accept something profound to adolescence, thats acceptable, but really, you have to be a REAL musician or audiophile to appreciate such greatness that you cannot even come close to achieving...

Sorry, but i just can't stand ignorant, pubescent little whiny bitches, that should have been born girls, LOL!!!

This album is great & beats the anything else out that falls in such a category!!


Yeah... not only was that comment sexist, it was incredibly stupid. People were complaining about how much greater Dream Theater used to be... and you're telling people off for not being able to appreciate greatness? That doesn't make sense at all. I mean, if someone can name one way that this album is better than... say... Images and Words, I'll be surprised (and don't say something like "It's heavier" or "it's darker", that stuff is actually based on your personal opinion and should not be used to compare albums. Used unbiased stuff like originality, talent and lyrics_

Oh and btw, I don't hate this album... but it's definitely not as good as Scenes from a Memory, Images and Words, Awake, 6DOIT, Octavarium and, the album that got me into Dream Theater in the first place, Train of Thought. This album does, however, have it's moments. Most notibly, the Ministry of Lost Souls. Currently one of my favourite songs. But, unlike other Dream Theater albums, there are certain songs that just bore me, such as Constant Motion and the Dark Eternal Night.

All in all, "GiG-DaDDy" is an idiot, this album is pretty good but Dream Theater can do, and have done, so much better.

POSTED: 08/28/2007 - 07:40 am / quote |
ivan_2894 :
Great album...i think that DT albums can't be compared, they are too different from each other
POSTED: 09/03/2007 - 01:33 pm / quote |
kd420 :
I personally like this album a lot. Some have said that it doesn’t match stuff like Images and Words, but they are completely different, one is not "better". It all comes down to preference. However, songs like ITPOE and the dark eternal night DO have things that other albums do not. These two songs are one of my favorites, because of their extremely dark tones. Anyone who says that they are not darker songs just has to look at the lyrics; ITPOE is about someone selling their soul the devil (or something close to that)! If you say your favorite song is the ministry of lost souls (another sick song), you clearly prefer lighter songs (nothing wrong with that either) and have a bias against the overall darker album. All I'm saying is just because it’s a different album, doesn’t make it less than amazing and anything less than equal to their other albums
POSTED: 09/19/2007 - 04:26 pm / quote |
dark_falco3000 :
I actually usually don't prefer lighter stuff, but this time around it just seems that the Ministry of Lost Souls is one of the only, if not the only, song that I would call "great" or "Awesome" on this album. However, I'm usually a fan of darker music... I mean, I listen to Death/Black metal bands like Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir, how much darker can you get? Come to think of it, music doesn't need to be "Dark" or "light" in order for me to enjoy it, it just has to be good.

This album just seems so unoriginal compared to their other work... Aside from Falling to Infinity and When Dream and Day Unite, I've been a huge fan of every Dream Theater album released thus far, and I bought this album expecting it to once again blow me out of the water. It was a huge disappointment. Musically, it's much less impressive than most previous releases (and by that I mean there's none of those awesomely insane solos that are littered throughout their other albums). As I've said, it's much less original, it seems a lot more like just plain generic metal rather than the progressive metal style that I, alongside so many other dream theater fans, love so much. Lyrics are... very strange. Half of them are fantasy based. This is more of a personal argument, but I'm not a big fan of the fantasy based lyrics (like the Dark Eternal Night and ITPOE... although ITPOE itself isn't a bad song).

Overall, I don't hate this album, I just think Dream Theater can do so much better.

POSTED: 10/04/2007 - 10:11 am / quote |
Divinephyton :
I agree with some posts here about that the direction DT is going is, is beneficial. I can say that DT always delivers a fresh new vibe with a lot of fresh new elements contributing to an overall addicting album. I think this is the better option between the former and dwindling around in awesome progressiveness and flirting with sounding the same over and over again...


If they didn't move in aura and feel and added new things (eg the fan-contributions) and produced albums like ToT and SChaos, I think DT would have ceased to be a long time ago. Honestly I love SFAM to death, it's about one of my favorite albums ever but I don't think I'd want a Metropolis part 3 or something, unless it's way different.

This album is just a dreamy fantasy-like voyage and along the road chaos and melody are fused, I can understand some people don't like that... but I do, oh I do

POSTED: 10/06/2007 - 09:23 pm / quote |
xCoilx :
dream theater will always be a good band.
POSTED: 10/08/2007 - 06:26 pm / quote |
xCoilx :
GiG-DaDDy wrote:

Look men, i mean boys..., I know its hard to accept something profound to adolescence, thats acceptable, but really, you have to be a REAL musician or audiophile to appreciate such greatness that you cannot even come close to achieving...

Sorry, but i just can't stand ignorant, pubescent little whiny bitches, that should have been born girls, LOL!!!

This album is great & beats the anything else out that falls in such a category!!


first off,im a girl and thats very sexist.Second,your prob a puny little guitarist that reads tabs off the internet and freaks out when handed an actual piece of music.People can be entitled to their opinions and i know plenty of well trained musicans that are dissapointed with this album.doesnt mean there boys.

p.s.you cant tell of someones a boy from reading thier comment.therefore you fail.ha!

POSTED: 10/08/2007 - 06:32 pm / quote |
miraga715 :
Well, in my opinion is that you'd have to take each album individually and not be biased about the older albums. Every album so far, after SFAM, has been different albums. Of course, the usual DT style can be heard but they've been testing and experimenting styles and sounds and that's exactly what Progessive Metal means. That's why they call it Progressive. A prog band can go commercial one second and all out experimental in another. I think when fans start to pigeon-hole a prog-band in a type of style albeit a style of their own then that beats the purpose of being a prog-band in the first place. I think DT has done an incredible job at being Progressive Metal in this respective.
POSTED: 10/23/2007 - 09:47 pm / quote |
MagicFingersJCC :
great album. not their best of course. but everyone goes wild when any of the songs off it are played live (especially Dark Eternal Night).
POSTED: 02/08/2008 - 04:10 am / quote |
Raphael Faunus :
CZHunter wrote:

You know my problem with these low ratings on this album? It's that the people that do them are still stuck in 1994 with Images and Words and Awake, wearing Kevin Moore t-shirts and refusing to believe that there is a keyboardist for DT named Jordan Rudess. Because you know, Dream Theater EVOLVE, much like any other band, and I still think that they kick ass. So what if it's not Awake or I&W? Personally, I like their heavy side. They're Progressive Metal for a reason.

That's because Kevin Moore was all there -was- for Dream Theater to EVER sound good. Listen to the style changes because of keyboardists. Falling Through Infinity sounded NOTHING like the rest of their stuff, nor did Awake and Images and Words sound like everything else. Keyboardists made a big impact on this band. And Kevin Moore was the only good one the ever had. Sherinian was okay, but Chroma Key is a god.

POSTED: 03/04/2008 - 05:56 pm / quote |
.mem-brane. :
i find my self agreeing and disagreeing with parts of every review and comment about this album. By all efforts its brilliant album. an evolution of thier sound, with tighter and more concise songwriting than ever before, and things that you wouldnt expect still leaping out at you. the only dissapointment i have with the album lies in the singing - labrie seems to have lost any confidence with his voice - or perhaps the edge. can he not find the power to belt out notes like he did on 'pull me under' for example? i played this to my dad the other day. he sed that if he was producing the album, he'd give the singer a lesson in melody. and i can see what he means. reply if you feel differently. also, ive noticed a distinct lack of 'jazzy' in the sound.
POSTED: 06/25/2008 - 06:54 pm / quote |
slayerisntmusic :
[quote]Isidro Portillo wrote:

"All songs are very strong except Repentance (I think they wouldn't have to use fragments of old songs, since they're so creative)."

Well the problem with that statement, is Repentance is part 4 of a conceptual series of songs, the 1st of which being "The Glass Prison", 2nd "This Dying soul", 3rd "The Root of All Evil", and then "Repentance". So it actually does make sense for them to be using fragments from those songs with new riffs added on top of them.

POSTED: 09/21/2008 - 03:23 am / quote |
slayerisntmusic :
The first guy doesn't know what he's talking about. For one thing, "Constant Motion" is basically the fastest song on the album, and the first track which is "In the Presence of Enemies - Part I" is less than 10 minutes long. You'd think that somebody who is reviewing the album, would at least have some sense of melody and/or rythm. Or b, look at the track names and make sure he's getting his facts straight...
POSTED: 09/21/2008 - 03:27 am / quote |
BYZ :
I found that i really only liked half the album. I listen to dream theater for their epic, creative and progressive sounds that you can't get anywhere else. But it feels that half the stuff on here isn't really what i was looking for, it didnt feel like 100% dream theater to me.
POSTED: 11/20/2008 - 02:47 pm / quote |
freedomdeceptiv :
Nothing beats Metropolis Part 2 but this album is definitely ****in sick. im up to track 3 so far... "Constant Motion" has a very metallica feel to it. so far its still progressive but also incorporates the heavier side of DT revealed on Train of Thought.
POSTED: 12/15/2008 - 03:05 pm / quote |
FarazRahman :
I liked it as a whole, as this was my first Dream Theater album. After listening to almost all of their other albums, you can definitely see their progression in style. I'm not too happy with it, because although I love heavy music, I really prefer their older, more melodious stuff. Constant motion features, I think 1 time signature change. Simple, but powerful. It get monotonous though. I would give this album an 8.
POSTED: 08/06/2009 - 10:34 pm / quote |
Patrijz :
I don't really dig those 'old style metal' influences of there older stuff. Guess Systematic Chaos is about the right style for me. One of the DT albums I like best, in the presence duo are great! Love how DT adapts a more modern style!

But I can imagine that fans from the 90s on might not dig this entirely...

POSTED: 10/31/2009 - 06:31 am / quote |
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