This War Is Ours Review

Released: Oct 21, 2008
Genre: Alternative Rock, Post-Hardcore
Label: Epitaph
Number Of Tracks: 12
It is the first Escape the Fate album released without lead singer Ronnie Radke and rhythm guitarist Omar Espinosa.

Sound:	7.2
Lyrics:	5.9
Impression:	6.4
Overall rating:	6.5
Users rating:	7.5
Comments:	85

overall: 7.7

Featured review by: hidemyintention, on november 13, 2008

Sound: Ok, let's cut to the chase. Escape the Fate have had to go through a radical change. Losing a singer in Ronnie Radke with a unique voice and losing once guitarist was always going to mean the band wouldn't be able to make Dying Is Your Latest Fashion 2.0, which is the main criticism of this album from many people, especially fans of Radke and the more throaty screaming. Give Craig Mabbit some credit for coming in and doing a stellar job with his tuneful vocals and fearsome roar. What shines though are the guitars and the drums, providing interesting music for Mabbit to sing over.

However some songs, although not particularly bad, do sound very samey, radio friendly and you wouldn't want to listen to them over and over again. Thankfully, this is more than made up for by the rest of the songs, that provide most of the interest on the album.

01.We Won't Back Down: the opener is a real crasher, starting suddenly and with a great deal of energy from start to finish, reminiscent of Atreyu's Doomsday on "Lead Sails, Paper Anchors." 8/10
02.On To The Next One: this isn't particularly a standout track, but it does have some neat guitar riffs and a very bouncy rhythm. 6/10
03.Ashley despite being one of the slower, radio friendly songs, this is a very good song. Singalong all the way through with interesting instrumentation. 8/10
04.Something: something heralds the start of the mediocre songs. There's nothing particularly wrong with it, but I wouldn't particularly listen to it obsessively. Still has good instrumentation. 6/10
05.The Flood: one of two tracks that sounds most like something from Dying Is Your Latest Fashion. Fast pace, heavy guitars, singalong chorus and a heavy breakdown with roaring vocals. 9/10
06.Let It Go: this is the worst track on he album. Again, nothing particularly awful about it, but it just fails to shine in any way. 3/10
07.You Are So Beautiful: this is a strange one, the verse and chorus, although quite catchy, are like the more generic songs on the album, but it has a heavy breakdown and good vocal work by Craig Mabbit that make it more memorable. 6/10
08.This War Is Ours (The Guillotine Part II): the standout track on the album. Visceral guitars, roaring verses and singing so powerful on the chorus it may knock you backwards. Escape The Fate show their diversity by introducing spanish guitars halfway through the song, before tearing through a very impressive solo. This song also follows the same pattern and riffs reminiscent to the very popular song (from the EP and first album) The Guillotine. 10/10
09.10 Miles Wide: a charging Rock n' Roll song that sounds like Atreyu's new style. Older metal redefined with a new age touch, with some good vocals from Mabbit and an interesting riff throughout.
10.Harder Than You Know: another mediocre song. Nothing to say about it that I haven't with the other songs. 3/10
11.It's Just Me: a surprising shift in style for the album closer. The verses sound generally unnerving, much like Finch's "Dreams of Psilocybin" on "Say Hello To Sunshine." The chorus has a great singalong chorus, and the song album sounds like it was made at the circus. Genuinely a very good song. 10/10 // 9

Lyrics and Singing: Now the main issue with the album is the lyrics, especially in the songs that are less memorable. The lyrics are all about love, or breaking up with someone. Now this is fine, but it's repeated so much that it gets tiresome. Lyrics on This War Is Ours (The Guillotine Part II), It's Just Me, The Flood and We Won't Back Down are more inventive and better written. Craig Mabbit's vocals are simply amazing. He possesses and incredibly powerful singing voice, as well as the throaty roar I wish he uses more often in this album. Marks lost for the repetitive themes of some of the lyrics. // 6

Impression: This War Is Ours was a make it or break it album for Escape the Fate, and I feel they have just about made it. For the next album they should concentrate on writing faster paced songs, which implement the styles of Dying Is Your Latest Fashion and their new style in This War Is Ours, and then they will truly be a fearsome combination of melody and heaviness. This album will no doubt upset purist fans of Ronnie Radke and the older style, but Escape The Fate can be proud that they have managed to keep making the music and what's more, mainly making very good music. I feel the mediocre songs are far outshone by the quality ones. // 8

Reviewed by: unregistered, on october 21, 2008

Sound: Escape the Fate has long been regarded as "Up and Coming", "The next best thing", and all the likes that a magazine or website that can give them credit for their strong guitar and harsh, screaming vocals. Their new album, This War is Ours, hardly steps up to the plate to compare. With new lead vocals from Craig Mabbit (formerly Blessed the Fall), as Ronnie Radke endures his prison sentence, the sounds generated sound much align with older Escape the Fate... for two songs. Yes, sadly "This War is Ours (The Guillotine Pt 2)", and "The Flood", which ironically are the only two songs that the band posted on their myspace page, are the only two songs that compare to the older days of ETF. Otherwise, I would much rather listen to a cat being skinned than endure four minutes with Craig Mabbit moaning about a long lost love; hardly what the band initially stood for. // 6

Lyrics and Singing: Apparently, Justin Timberlake is now writing their lyrics. One would have thought, "Hey, doesn't this sound a little, well, homosexual?" but this is not the case with the remaining Escape the Fate band members, as apparently they were all in cohorts with songs like "Ashley", which boasts the memorable lines "Like the brightest star you shine through. Ashley, baby, you make me feel so alive. I've got purpose once again. Yeah, yeah." I kid you not, there are eight, yes eight, more miserable songs on this CD, just like this sad excuse. Compared to the previous records of ETF, one cannot even fathom what kind of cracked up joke this is. // 2

Impression: As previously said, this band has gone to hell, and I'm not sure if they can retrace their steps. I can honestly say, when the fans get their hands on this CD, they will be knocking from the doorstep, upset with what has become of their favorite heroes. As for me, I'll switch back and forth from "The Flood", to "This War is Ours", a couple more times, before I toss the CD out the window, hoping it will be hit by a semi. Then I'll probably turn it over to more memorable, older songs by my favorite band, and reminisce of what their music really should be. Guys, you should be ashamed. // 4

overall: 7.3

Reviewed by: SHUTuPnRoCK, on november 14, 2008

Sound: When I first heard Escape The Fate, it was on my birthday, October 22nd 08. I heard The Flood on Youtube with the music video and loved the band. Delving deeper into their history and albums, I found out that they had had a previous album and EP, both of which I loved. I also discovered the fact that they had had a different singer in the past, a certain Ronnie Radke. So I watched a ton of live performances by them, and I saw tour videos and interviews and I got to know the band. And that was when I started seeing the huge difference between this album and Dying Is Your Latest Fashion/There's No Sympathy For The Dead.

Ronnie Radke, in my opinion, brought the band to where they were a few years ago. His energy, hyperactivity, and extremely unique singing made Escape The Fate a band with a hugely one of a kind sound. Dying Is Your Latest Fashion is my favorite album of all time because ETF combined all my musical tastes into one band. They had the more punk/pop oriented "Situations" hit (still their most well-known song) and then they had songs like "There's No Sympathy For The Dead" and "The Guillotine" which were more melodic screamo metal. that's what I loved about them, the melodic chorus' and screams and insane guitar riffs in the background.

This War Is Ours is a vaguely similiar, but at the same time completely different album. While Craig Mabbit brings a cool new voice to the band, the songs are also very different. it's as if the Escape The Fate is waving goodbye to itself and looking straight in the eye of a NEW BAND. They've changed. This is not Dying Is Your Latest Fashion but a fledgling band out with their debut album. That's how I look at it. Escape The Fate was destroyed with Ronnie going to jail and is now risen in the form of something entirely different... except without Mr. Radke or the other guitarist, Omar Espinosa. // 8

Lyrics and Singing: I must agree with the majority of comments I have read on the fact that most of these songs are about the opposite sex. That is kind've new considering the fact that DIYLF didn't really have song meanings. The songs were about feelings: hatred, rage, anxiety, etc., all sung with passion about something that was never really totally clear (with the exceptions of songs like Situations, Not Good Enough For Truth in Cliche and The Day I Left the Womb). At first, the only thing we all realized was that it was awesome music but you had to look deeper into the songs to find the meaning. Ronnie Radke DID sing about the opposite sex, alot, but he wrote/sung his lyrics in a different way. Craig's songs draw a straight red line towards girls with songs like Ashley.

There are some exceptions, however. Songs like We Won't Back Down, The Flood, and This War Is Ours come back to the old Escape The Fate lyrical method. These are great songs, in my opinion, the best on the album. Mixing a slight glance at love with some punkish ideology and other real-life themes, these tracks hold true to Dying Is Your Latest Fashion's genre. // 7

Impression: Yes, this album is good. But it is not Dying Is Your Latest Fashion. Escape The Fate Post R.R. is a good band and I like them a lot. I liked Escape The Fate with Ronnie Radke a lot better though. Bands can change, and people need to get over it. If you look on Youtube at The Flood and scroll down to the comments, you'll see what I mean. All the comments are ETF fans arguing over TWIO. There's the die-hard old ETF fans, and then there's the one's like me, people who had never heard of Escape The Fate before This War Is Ours, people who love both the old ETF and the new. // 7

overall: 6

Reviewed by: mmkat, on november 17, 2008

Sound: Well, who didn't have those highly set expectations after listening to their debut album "dying is your latest fashion"? I did, and honestly, this CD has been a let down to me.. but still: I'm gonna try to do an unbaised review of this disc, which is kinda hard! here we go:

After ronnie radke got kicked out, etf got themselves a "new" singer: craig mabbitt, formerly blessthefall! a quite good singer, even better screamer in my opinion. etf was very well known for their outragious screaming vocals mixed with great singing and kick-ass riffs, up-beat drums and all in all aggressiv and harsh: one of the best debut-albums I ever listened to, great production! on this record though, they changed a lot.. almost no screaming/growling and a lot of songs sound too similar, the production is still great though. really radiofriendly music, but not metal anymore, more kind of alternative rock on most songs! I expected more from a former screamo band. actually, the first time that I ever think, that a band is more interested in commercial success than in making good music.. too bad! I really miss songs such as "the webs we weave" or "there's no sympathy for the dead". I still listen to the debut album, but I can't listen to this one anymore except for 3 or 4 songs. but I have to admit, there are a few good songs, f.e. their first single off the flood! nice intro and a little more up-tempo than other songs and the breakdown contains some screaming! the title track, obviously the best track imo, is the sequeal to "the guillotine" of their debut! that's what escape the fate should sound like! and finally there's "10 miles wide" another nice song! keep those songs coming, etf! // 6

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics.. well.. try to guess what the songs "you are so beautiful", "ashley", "something", "let it go" and "harder than you know" have in common: exactly, the lyrical subject! 5 out of 11 songs are about relationships, love, breaking up, losing each other etc. pp.

I miss lyrics like the ones on "this war is ours (the guillotine 2)" and on "10 miles wide", not to mention the lyrics on DIYLF.. the lyrics can't just always be about the same subject, a bit more diversity would have been great!
craig mabbitts singing: to me, it's not as good as ronnie's singing, but it's decent! his screamings really get you pumped up though, I gotta admit that! // 6

Impression: If I had to compare this CD to anything, the first thing that comes to my mind is fallout boy. escape the fate almost lost their distinct sound, the sound that made them uncomparable to anything before them. they we're categorized as screamo, although they sounded a lot better than other screamo bands such as atreyu f.e. which sound really repetetive. The most impressive song from this album is "this war is ours (the guillotine 2). it still has the distinct sound escape the fate used to have (that's why I said "almost lost" before). There's nothing I really hate about this cd, you either like the music or you don't. but it's such a let down to me! I expected simply more than some lame radiofriendly pop-rock. if it were stolen or lost, I wouldn't buy it again, but maybe u’ll like CD more than I did! // 6

Reviewed by: unregistered, on october 27, 2008

Sound: Upon hearing about the new album being released in mid oct. I also heard about "The Flood" This being one of the first songs with him writing and singing my standards were very well standard. I loved the way Ronnie Sang with so much passion and so much "umph" you can tell that when he sang he gave it all. I also Enjoyed Craig From BTF I honestly think he has one of the best screaming voices, but he can't sing worth shit. When I heard "The Flood" I liked the opening riff I thought alright sweet bryan is gonna do his thing on guitar. Then the opening lines to the verse came in."I can't Believe... The Drama that I'm in!" I thought I was listening to linkin park. That hole song was horrible it sounded very much like something that would all the sudden have mike shinoda break in with this crazy rap sequence. I think heared the second song "This war is ours(the guillotine pat2)". Which honestly like most of the people out there is now my favorite song on the album. YET, it still doesn't have that sound that goes hey I'm different and great and not really compared to other stuff. Which was very true with the first album. The screaming was good up until he sang, and the guitar was good for the intro but everything sounded like bryan was trying out for Dragon Force, not to mention it's a little fishy he mentions "through fire and flames" in the song.

Did not have it's own distinctive sound that stands out every song sounded different and like something else, and for that I give it a 4 // 4

Lyrics and Singing: If Craig wrote these I hate him. I hate him with a fiery passion. lyrics like "a gallery of your beauty, No charge at the door"(cellar door),"the day I left the womb"(titled) and many others from DIYLF, are put to shame by ones like "We will conquer them all"(this war is ours), "like the brightest star you shine through"(ashley. I already was aware craig couldn't sing nor write, for people that were BTF vets they could easily agree with how bad "with eyes Wide shut" is with a line like "you make me happiest of all men, I am the happiest of all men". Although, I love the way he screams and he can sing just in a different way. But he doesnt't sow the same passion Ronnie Did, and he Doesn't stick to one type of way to sing on "this war is ours"

He honestly brought the whole album down by not screaming and writing bad. // 3

Impression: I didn't have much of an impression I felt like hey I've heard that some where before, and if it wasn't that it was "alright I'm done listening to this bullshit, his lyrics are awful". The only song I would recommend listing to is:This war is ours(guillotine par2)" other then that Go and listen to the whole entire Dying is your latest fashion album, or go listen to Bless the falls His last walk album and listen to the first 5 songs. you will honestly ask your self what happened.

I did not buy this album and I recommend no one does it's good to have but not to buy. // 4

Reviewed by: unregistered, on november 17, 2008

Sound: This War Is Ours is Escape The Fate's second album after losing their front man, Ronnie Radke. New Singer Craig Mabbit drags Escape the Fate into the ground. Monte Money's guitars in this album are decent but nothing special, except in the song "This War Is Ours (The Guillotine pt. 2)" which features a pretty nifty intro solo as well another solo in the middle and Robert Ortiz' drums are nothing to get excited about.
The band failed in keeping any of their old sound present. Sure, I understand that a band needs to change their sound to keep up with the times, or that when they lose a band member sound is bound to change, but they changed their sound so dramatically that they completely lost the old Escape the Fate vibe. // 4

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics on "This war is Ours" have to be some of the worse lyrics I've ever heard. Deep, relatable lyrics and passionate singing is replaced by terrible lyrics which seem to be written by a 9 year old. The singing in the album is dreadful and completely lacks in feeling. Lyrics such as "Oh, they always told me I was gorgeous in a way, And that fateful day, I found who I was, So fill this hole with my prescriptions, I just keep feeding my addictions" are replaced with mainstream, unoriginal such as "Baby, don't talk to me, I'm trying to let go, Not loving you is harder than you know, Cause girl you're driving me so crazy".

I will say Ronnie's lyrics were not the best, hardly above average, but at least they seem like time and effort were put into them. Lyrics that could be taken a few different ways are now lyrics that have one, "this is how it is" meaning, which makes the songs harder to relate to. It almost seems as though the band just wanted to get a new album out just to please the fans, and no real effort was put into it. // 2

Impression: Escape the Fate has lost all the elements that made them Escape the Fate. They might as well go by a different name. This album is something that should be buried 6 feet under and forgotten about. The only song worth listening to is "This war is Ours (The Guillotine pt. 2)." The band is not going to be the next Motley Crue, they are not taking over the world, and this war is certainly not theirs. // 2

overall: 8.3

Reviewed by: AlexBristolUK, on july 22, 2009

Sound: When I saw that a friend of mine was due to be supporting ETF on a tour in the UK, I decided to check them out. I began with this album, and after listening to a few songs decided to look up the band on wikipedia. There I found information about the band's lineup changes (due, as I'm sure many will know, to the former singer's incarceration for aiding in a murder... No amount of singing will get you out of prison buddy.) The only reason I checked out the first album was because I was looking for more of what I found on This War Is Ours. This is one of my favourite records of all time. Naturally people will bitch about the change in style, because it isn't the same band. But you know, he did commit a pretty major crime, so...

Back to the point, the sound here is utterly incredible. The album's production is stellar, crystal clear and brilliant. And this means you get to fully appreciate the talent on display. One of my favourite things about this record is that the band does not miss a note. Everywhere you think there should be a note, everywhere you hope the music goes, everything you hope comes next... they've written it. It is perfect. The drumming shows creativity, with some awesome fills and riffs, with the double bass bringing a metal influence to the record. The guitar work is intricate, technical and highly melodic. Monte has become one of my favourite guitarists ever after delivering some highly impressive solos and some of the best riff driven guitar work I've ever heard.

Put bluntly, if you're going to fault this record on anything, do not do it on their sound. It is simply flawless. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: Here is where a lot of people are going to come to disagreement. Due to the change in lineup involving a new vocalist joining the band, the whole impression they deliver is now different. In my opinion, for the better. Someone here suggests the reverend JT has been writing their lyrics and brands them as homosexual (the lyrics are clearly about women, so well done for being homophobic, closed minded and unintelligent), but they are at least a mile away from ronnie crying on his diary in a dark corner of a bedroom in his parents house. There are a few tracks which don't shine and some may find annoying, but for the most part they are energetic, perfectly matched with the music, and deliver a brilliant impression. I welcome the change, and I think the band is all the better for it.

Although it doesn't feature particularly prominently, the screaming on the album is also superb. Some bands just can't pull it off, whilst others define it. ETF is in the defining group, with bands like Alexisonfire and Atreyu.

The new vocalist is a far more tuneful, powerful singer, with a voice that suits the sound produced on this record more than the grainy, straining style you hear on the first album. Give the guy a break. If you don't like it, carry on playing the first album til it breaks and then buy another copy.

I will give this section a 7/10, for the fact that although I enjoy the lyrics, none of them are particularly amazing. For me, this record is a lot more about the drum and guitar parts. // 7

Impression: As I've said already, this is one of my favourite albums. I'd certainly buy it again. I love the way it sounds, the feeling it gives. I love how impressed I still am after several months. I remember when I first heard the title track I wanted to wake the hosue up at 3am to show everyone that I'd found a song which truly does have everything. This War Is Ours and Ten Miles Wide are my favourite tracks from the album. They stand out more obviously than others, although even the many-times-slammed 'If I Let You Go' delivers an upbeat feel and a pretty awesome duelling solo.

I appreciate many people may not like this album simply because they can't get past the change. I guess this album isn't for those people, and perhaps it would be best viewed that thsi is a new band entirely, though they remain in the same broad genre. But that doesn't make it a bad album, and it doesn't deserve the measly 6 it's been awarded on UG. I implore you to check out this album, or at least 'This War Is Ours (the Guillotine Part II)' and 'Ten Miles Wide', and I defy anyone to tell me they aren't excellently crafted songs.

I like every track on this album, but I appreciate I must at least attempt to remain objective, so I will score with an 8. Though some of the songs simply aren't as good as others, and fall down even in comparison to songs on the first album (which I will mention I do also love. I appreciate that it's different, but that it too is awesome. Simple as that.), the skill of everyone involved in this band and the construction of the songs must be taken into account. It is a brilliant album. // 8

Reviewed by: unregistered, on october 21, 2008

Sound: As much as Escape the Fate's Dying is your Lastest Fashion exploded onto the music scene, I can't help but think that this album is some what overrated at the moment. The hype, the incredible hotness of the band members; teenage girls will love this one. But I do have a strange feeling that some fans will be distracted by this release. In my personal opinion I think this record is far below anything else they've recorded, very much a completely different band to me, as they've lost the rhythm and the vocals they used to have. However I'll start discussing the principle sound they've adopted in this album.

I saw these guys live a while back, the show was pretty good, Craig held up and it was half decent. Although, in the album his voice is different to what I heard, it's almost like he's trying to be a Ronnie. Listen to Blessthefall and you'll get what I'm talking about. My first initial impression of the sound was in the form of the first song; We Won't back Down. Some parts were annoying but not too bad, still nothing special. One particular element of notice is the continuing little bits of shred scattered throughout the song and every other song, reminds me of PTH. The shred also accompanied pinch harmonics like there's no tomorrow, the lead guitarist seems to have gone harmonic crazy since the last album, in every song just about you will find that pinchies have been massivly overused, personally I think it's unnecessary. Some of the riffs used at the start of certain songs such as 10 Miles Wide were very metal and actually kind of interesting, but what really down plays everything is Craigs voice in this song, very A7X like, and kind of like grove based... it's hard to explain but just listen and you should get it.

One thing that did also hinder me was how much like everything else this sounds and how love struck Craig is (again teenage girls = target audience). This is a very generic album. Very poppy (probs John Feldman's doing). Kind of soft. But it's not shocking it's not bad, it's just not Escape the Fate. I will give it a six though as I do respect the fact that these guys do have some good parts in this album. // 6

Lyrics and Singing: Love... that's about all I need to say. Some of the lyrics don't really fit in place like some of This War is Ours' screaming. Another theme is War, but if I could say again; the theme's of love, girls and Craig loving this girl and voicing his mistake's and saying how beautiful a girl is, It is a bit of an over saturated genre already, but this goes right into the whole Emo scene. Although I don't usually label music, this album fits Emo like a glove. I'm sure he needs to get out some emotions, I mean it's ok to sing about love but having some originality would do him a world of good. Anger is also another theme which is an offshoot of the love, following the whole: You broke my heart and I'm pissed off and I want you to know it thing. The lyrics are unoriginal, period, but he managed to get them to fit into the song generally so I'll split it even and give him a 5, not really impressed with the lyrics though. // 5

Impression: Well this album is a massive step backwards from what they were, I'm trying to like it but I don't, still, the songs will please the massive hoards of scene kids waiting in line to hear this album. I'm currently listening to old ETF just making a comparison and I like the old better, the old is much more, well less Craig, and less shred your face off the walls and more beef, there's more there, much more. But I won't entirely discredit the new ETF, in the nature of trying to keep the review as unbiased as possible (which is hard) I'm giving it a five, the songs are listenable, you could like them, but I doubt you'll love them. Go and buy the record when it comes out, and post a review of your own. Mainly cause they'll need some support on this record money wise, and hopefully after they read the reviews the next one they write will bring the standard up a notch. // 5

overall: 8

Reviewed by: xxxsticksxxx, on december 23, 2008

Sound: Well considering that ETF lost their original singer Ronnie Radke due to him being sentenced to prison I think that this album is nothing too bad, and if anything shows a much more mature attitude of music, the bands sound has not really improved in catchyness and originality but it has improved a lot in the forms of techniques used by the instrumentalists and a lot more skill has gone into this album and talent you can esaily tell and also craig's vocals do go quite nicely with this newer, more grown up sound, although I do agree that they shud've had a few heavier tracks. // 8

Lyrics and Singing: When it comes down to lyrics I think craig mabbitt is a bit of a "love" or "breakup" themed writer, which is fine but he needs to experiment a bit more because to be honest ronnie's lyrics were poetry, in tersm of how catchy they are craig's lyrics are good but that makes the band seem sort of generic, needs to think outside the box more I suppose, but in terms of actual singing the album is fine especially on tracks like "this war is ours" and "ashley" and "10 Miles wide" it shows the variety of craigs vocals. but yet again shud've had some more heavier songs with a bit more aggresive vocals not necessarily screaming just more heavier like. // 7

Impression: Well this album I do feel is better than "dying is your latest fashion" because to be completely honest I preferred their EP to their debut album but hey that's my opinion but overall I think this album is an improvement of their sound and their skills as musicians. I personally love the guitar parts o the whole album brian "money" monte has done a fantastic job and the new addition of craig mabbitt has sparked arguments amongst fans but I feel he is doing a good enuf job and if anyone thinks this new album is "shit" or anything then they are clearly not true ETF fans because this album is pretty good. // 9

Reviewed by: unregistered, on november 04, 2008

Sound: First off, I wanna say I was really looking forward to this album. I was devastated when I heard that the lead singer was out of the band, and even more devastated when I found out who the new singer was. I'll start off by saying that Craig has a lot of great potential, but he completely misses the vibe that escape the fate had in the past. the band has left Ronnie's awesome raspy singing and trades all this for some puss high pitched girly singing and these drawn out notes where it sounds like someones holding a fricken vibrator against his neck. I'm giving this a 3 because his singing ruins the awesome guitar playing and bass and drums. Escape the fate is good, and this isn't escape the fate. It's some crap attempt at a come back. sorry find a better singer. // 3

Lyrics and Singing: "Lyrics" are gay. they are not thoughtfully put together like Ronnies. The older lyrics were more of sayings or events you could relate to other things, the new lyrics are straight up singing about something. and they are not good. getting fallout boyish. The Singer is just horrible with this band. // 1

Impression: The best song on this album is "10 miles wide". and that's because it sounds the most different. I gotta give props to money however, because his guitar got even better. While it does sound a lot different that the previous album, he's got a new sound that works well. I would never buy this album, and I would never suggest other than people who like a slightly more hardcore Fall out Boy. // 1

overall: 9.3

Reviewed by: Crazylegs11, on july 29, 2009

Sound: Releasing there second album under new singer Craig Mabbitt, Escape the Fates new album seems to me to be a bit soft, with such songs such as "Ashley", "Something", and "You Are So Beautiful", But the band does an exellent job of balancing these songs sentimental meaning with some killer guitar, drum, and base riffs. The only way you could describe the sound of Escape the Fate would be loud. Driving riffs, and screeching vocals make this a great album for lovers of loud powerful music. The band also brings back there old screamo sound in the title track for the album, "This War Is Ours". All around I would say that the sound of the band is still in full force, yet morphed into something almost new. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: Lyrics, what can I say about the lyrics besides they are amazing. They seem so powerful, and intricate compared to most of the music today. For example, here is the chorus for the song "This War Is Ours", "Yes I will see you through the smoke and flames on the frontlines of war, (we have to find a better way), and I will stand my ground until the end 'Til we conquer them all (we have to find a better way). The lyrics in parenthese are what's being screamed, and Craig is singing all of the rest. I also want to say that Craig has been a great replacement for the bands original singer, Ronnie Radke, but I like the vocals of Ronnie a little better than Craig, even though Craig is an amazing singer. // 10

Impression: Escape the Fate has there own unique sound and style, comparing this album to there debut "Dying Is Your Latest Fashion", as I stated before this one is a softer from what I heard, but rocks just as hard. Some of my favorite songs off the album are of the softer variety in "Ashley", and "Something". It is hard to target the best songs on this album as to all the songs being good in there own unique way. One thing that I don't like about this album is the lack of screaming compared to there debut, along with the lack of solos that Monte is playing. If it was lost I would definetly by another copy. // 9

overall: 7.3

Reviewed by: Neverhead666, on october 21, 2008

Sound: This group from Las Vegas-based still carry on a lot of what made them such an enjoyable listen on their previous effort, Dying Is Your Latest Fashion. Even with the loss of their former front man Ronnie Radke, the band is able to deliver the sound they're known for. Ronnie was replaced with former Bless The Fall vocalist Craig Mabbit, and he doesn't do a bad job. The album is basically the same goth/emo tinted metalcore you found on Dying Is Your Latest Fashion. Songs about love and breakups, and a title track that has a slight theme of war. So lets look over the track listing shall we?

01.We Wont Back Down: a nice opener. A bit of a punkish sound to it, and has a few good riffs in the song. Craig does some good vocal work here. Overall a pretty good song. 8/10
02.On To The Next One: another pretty decent song. Not one of the best on the album though. Could pass as a filler song, but it's still pretty good. Decent fretwork on the solo. 6.5/10
03.Ashley: quite obviously a love song, and a pretty good one. Some seriously heartfelt lyrics about a girl, whom I'm assuming goes by the name Ashley. Could become a favorite of mine. 8/10
04.Something: a sort of depressing song. You can definitely get the emo sense of the band from this song. The music isn't the best, but it's good it's moments and the lyrics are some of the best on the album. 6/10
05.The Flood: one of my favorite and in my opinion one of the better songs on the album. Some good heavy riffs, and a good lyrical flow. I miss Ronnie, but Craig belts it out quite nicely on this track. 9/10
06.Let It Go: another emo-ish song. The music on this track is good though. Good lyrics. The song is short and sweet. 7/10
07.You Are So Beautiful: another love song. It keeps up with the kind pattern the album offers. Love song, breakup song, love song, breakup song, etc. It's decent but not a standout track. 5/10
08.This War Is Ours (The Guillotine Part II): the title track definitely the stand out track of this album. Easily my favorite off the album, and could be a longstanding favorite song of all time. Opens with a great solo and awesome growling. The song uses the lyrics "Through the fire and the flames...," which leads me to believe these guys have either been listening to Dragonforce or playing Guitar Hero III. In any case, this is one the best songs I've heard in a long time. 10/10
09.10 Miles Wide: a song with a funky beat to it. A real nice groove, and some interesting lyrics and an even more interesting approach toward the vocal style. Overall a decent song. 7/10
10.Harder Than You Know: this is another breakup song, and is the only clean track on the album. The way Craig sings the chorus sounds almost identical to Wake Me Up When September Ends by Green Day. Although that's the only resemblance to it. Not one of the better songs, but still good. 6/10
11.It's Just Me: this is a different song, doesn't sound like any of the other songs on this album. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. // 8

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics are very nice on this disc, as they were on the bands last effort. Once again, the songs are about love and breakups as a whole. Some of the strongest lyrical content I've ever heard, and they are very beautifully written. Though I miss Ronnie as a vocalist, Craig delivers some beautiful vocals. Overall it's very good. A fair warning for fans who fell in love with Dying Is Your Latest Fashion. If you expect the same vocal styling, you will be a bit disappointed. Good news is you wont be wholly disappointed. After all, change isn't always a bad thing. // 7

Impression: All in all, it is a very good album. I was iffy about it because of the change in the line-up, but I was both impressed and satisfied with the final product these guys have produced. Definitely worth the money you would spend on it. Old fans will either be disappointed or pleased, as is with all new releases from a group. New listeners to the band will surely have a new favorite band upon a few listens to the disk. This band is just full of great riffs, awesome solos, and strong lyrics. A lot of potential is to be found with these guys. Pick up the album and go see the live show. // 7

overall: 9.3

Reviewed by: LeoHH, on october 21, 2008

Sound: Coming out stronger after the departure of a singer is a hard thing for a band to do. Escape the fate aren’t just any band though. Craig Mabbitt, their new singer, has had huge shoes to fill. Ronnie Radke brought a crazy amount of energy to the band that had thousands of fans interested in what he was singing. This War Is Ours, their second full length, is full of extremely catchy choruses, littered with fantastic guitar-lines and bass-riffs, and has some of the most insane drumming you’ve ever heard.

Opening with We Won’t Back Down, Escape The Fate don’t mess around and burst into an up-tempo catchy song with a sweet solo. Craig’s voice shines from start to finish, and it has the same feel as the opener on Dying Is Your Latest Fashion - 'The Webs We Weave'.

'On To The Next One' definately isn't the strongest track on the record but has some nice guitar riffs and leads nicely into Ashley, a more mainstream sounding song, along with 'Something', the most radio-friendly song on the album, that is destined for TV and radio play if released as a single, which it no doubt will be.

'The Flood' and 'This War Is Ours (The Guillotine Part 2)' sound the most like the Escape the fate on DIYLF, and are both fast-paced and memorable.

'10 Miles Wide' is a fantastic, aggressive track that from start to finish won't dissapoint for those looking for something heavier, and is pure rock n roll.

'Harder Than You Know', a cliche rock song about getting over someone, is a great slow song to begin closing the record off with, which leads into the eerie, almost circus-sounding 'It's Just Me' which sounds like nothing ETF have ever done before. I can imagine these two tracks having mixed reactions. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: Craig has done a fantastic job on the lyrics for this album, that although lack some diversity, are full of imagery and really bring you into the songs. The lyrics themselves have a very similar feel to previous songs that the band have done, which is good as listeners want to feel like they're stil listening to Escape The Fate. // 9

Impression: This is such a good record that rivals their previous effort easily. Fans will no doubt forget about all the drama with their previous singer and focus on where Escape The Fate has got to, not where they came from or what brought them here, and will be able to enjoy a fast-paced album that shows off the bands sound, a mix or metal/alt rock/screamo that can only be described as Escape The Fate. As bassist Max Green has said: 'This is the next generation of rock'. // 9

Reviewed by: unregistered, on february 12, 2009

Sound: Escape the Fate is definitely my favorite band. I love Screamo and Emocore music such as: Escape the Fate; Underoath; Senses Fail and Bullet for my Valentine. The guitar licks and riffs are insanely fast and amazingly melodic. Bryan Money, the lead guitarist is the best guitarist ever. This is Epitaph Records best album. Craig Mabbit is a great singer, as great as Ronnie Radke. Escape the Fate will always be the best emocore/screamo band ever. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics of this album are awesome. "We Won't Back Down"'s lyrics sound a lot like it was made for "A Skylit Drive", Craig Mabbit's other band. "You Are So Beautiful"'s lyrics are genius:

"You are so beautiful
You are the kind of girl
That has the chemicals
That makes me fall in love"

That's Genius! Again Craig Mabbit is as great as Ronnie Radke. Great structures of lyrics are important in an album. // 10

Impression: This album does appear to be better than "Dying Is Your Latest Fashion". The most impressive songs from the album are: This War Is Ours (The Guillotine II) [Which by the way is a great sequel to "The Guillotine"]; The Flood; You Are So Beautiful; We Won't Back Down, and Ashley. The best guitar solo is either This War Is Ours or We Won't Back Down. If I ever lost this album or was stolen; I would buy a new one A.S.A.P. I definetely recommend this to and emocore fans, screamo fans, or metal-heads. // 10

Comments

[archangelseren]

this album is so horrible!!!! no its just peaking on average they have turned even more generic than before and now just whinge and whine like any loser could. my standouts though are 1. On to the next one (love it!) 2. This world is ours (guillotine II) 3. The flood, the rest well youll see

[ismellfunny13]

agree^^ I just think if there going to play that music which isn't that bad (just different) they should change their name

[TFK_62]

Yeah without Ronnie, they were doomed, cause he made them who they were. Now they're probably like... Escapethefall... but I'll still buy this cd to hear it.

[Zao_89]

I think I actually like this one better than their last album. The title track is soooo goood.

[ismellfunny13]

i prefered craig in blessthefall

[ed_423]

i dont get why ppl are giving this so much shit. i like it. i mean yeah craig sounds different but i dont think its badd. true i love the title track and the flood because it sounds like their old album, but other songs like the opening track was pretty good too. and IMO, i think the guitarist got a lot better on the guitar work.

[Revenger#11]

Was looking forward to this, the flood was a decent single. Hopefully Craig can live up to the expectations set by Ronnie

[ethizzle2]

As for the guitar ed - it's monte, who had been playing rhythm in the past.

I couldn't agree more...he's absolutely amazing, especially in Guillotine p.2. I think he's going to have many, many opportunities in the future to branch out given the phenomenal level of playing he has obtained.

[Hendershot88]

yeaaah this war is ours has a SICK solo. it's gotta be one of my top favorites right now. after really listening to this today like three runs through it's alittle disappointing. I wish Craig would scream just alittle bit more cause he's sick at it and like they need more sick riffs! Dying is (etc etc) had some amazing good riffs that carried you through the songs and on this album the only good riffs are pretty much through the intro's. And my last beef is wtf is Craig singing when a solo is being played? I'm going to go see these guys I just hope it's gonna be worth it. =/ I'm pretty sure i'll be deleting almost every song off my Ipod besides this war is ours and like 2 others.

[Matt Doreen]

I like it...

Very, very nice guitar work. Respectable vocals and lyrics. It's Just Me's the coolest song I've heard in a long time. It's all great, really.

Except Ashley makes me wanna break things. It's kind of a "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS DOING HERE" kind of thing.

[AFIxBLAQKxAUDIO]

I think the album is great. Craig has brought something new to the band and has taken them to another level in my opinion.
Monte's guitar is amazing on this album!

[punkboi1992]

They kinda sound like the used...
Monte is the man

[Matt Doreen]

They sound like The Used because the album's produced by John Feldmann. He gives everything he produces a certain distinct quality.

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

This CD is AWFUL. If they didnt have max they'd lose most of their scene girl following (like 80% of their "fans"). This band is never going to be as big as Motley Crue as they predicted I'd be suprised if they lasted another 2 years even. This cd is just more Pop-punk bullsht. They are sellouts. Craigs is an awful singer and a little pussy.

[xXguitard00dXx]

The song called The Guillotine Part 2 is the best on there I'm tabbing it out now but I think the band should have changed their name since it's really same anymore.

[Untamed_Horizon]

Xdearxxdiaryx wrote:

This CD is AWFUL. If they didnt have max they'd lose most of their scene girl following (like 80% of their "fans"). This band is never going to be as big as Motley Crue as they predicted I'd be suprised if they lasted another 2 years even. This cd is just more Pop-punk bullsht. They are sellouts. Craigs is an awful singer and a little pussy.

xdearxxdiary don't talk shit, cuz you've most likely never even listened to their new stuff lol

The cd was ****in' great, and it seemed Craig's presence made ETF so much more heavier, and the guitar was OVERWHELMING. Old ETF was bull, and it was seriously like early Christmas when ronnie left.

[THExENDxBEGINS]

Ok you NEED to stop comparing this to old ETF!!! i was a fan of old ETF, but that's over now. move on! This is a pretty solid album, good vocals, killer riffs, cachy songs, what more could you ask for????

[BlinkBass13]

Untamed_Horizon wrote:

Xdearxxdiaryx wrote:

This CD is AWFUL. If they didnt have max they'd lose most of their scene girl following (like 80% of their "fans"). This band is never going to be as big as Motley Crue as they predicted I'd be suprised if they lasted another 2 years even. This cd is just more Pop-punk bullsht. They are sellouts. Craigs is an awful singer and a little pussy.

xdearxxdiary don't talk shit, cuz you've most likely never even listened to their new stuff lol

The cd was ****in' great, and it seemed Craig's presence made ETF so much more heavier, and the guitar was OVERWHELMING. Old ETF was bull, and it was seriously like early Christmas when ronnie left.

You kiss my ass i totally agree with "xdearxxdiaryx" guitar and bass are the only decent shit off this album craig sound liek hes got his ball all squezzed off hes not try he just want to get paid for a piece of shit album!!!!!

[Dark_Raven10]

Im sorry but a 1.7 is ridiculous. Its a great CD, and a great band, but not a great Escape the Fate cd. It shouldnt be called Escape The Fate. However, you can't say it's bad.

[reaper_x]

craig is too good for etf.

BLESSTHEFALL FTW.

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

Untamed_Horizon wrote:

Xdearxxdiaryx wrote:

This CD is AWFUL. If they didnt have max they'd lose most of their scene girl following (like 80% of their "fans"). This band is never going to be as big as Motley Crue as they predicted I'd be suprised if they lasted another 2 years even. This cd is just more Pop-punk bullsht. They are sellouts. Craigs is an awful singer and a little pussy.

xdearxxdiary don't talk shit, cuz you've most likely never even listened to their new stuff lol

The cd was ****in' great, and it seemed Craig's presence made ETF so much more heavier, and the guitar was OVERWHELMING. Old ETF was bull, and it was seriously like early Christmas when ronnie left.

I listened to the whole awful thing before it came out i kept seeing too many bad reviews of it Im glad I did too that CD would have been a waste of money. You wouldnt know good music if it Fked you in the ass. You probably only like their image and couldnt care less how awful the music really is . Youve probably never heard anything by them but situations when it was on mtv before you heard this shit cd.

HEAVY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAhA
your kidding right
you probably think the jonas brothers are hardcore if your think this shit is heavy.

You probably scoop out your mids or turn everything to 10 on your amp thinking its gonna make you sound bad ass
huh

[Ghost_Knive]

lol 1 you don't even know that Craig is from blessthefall? 2 you are SO biased, what bad reporting. Please whine elsewhere? Give things fair reviews.

[NemX162]

I think this albums is ****ing amazing. People need to get over themselves and at least give a fair review, even if they don't like it.

[BigDean]

I was very dissapointed when i heard this Old Etf was wow when i first saw situations on youtube i fell in love with the tone, the riff and Ronnies vocals. This was a big change for them, they needed a new singer Ronnie was hustling kids,doing drugs regualarly and got involved with the murder of a young man.No matter how much you dislike Craig hes here. I personally think Craig is a talented singer some will disagree i dont thinkpersonally he's for Etf because the change in my view sounds like Bless the Fall but happier. I love Etf and i agree with the choices they have made i would do the same to be honest, i am also glad that they are doing what they want to.I read like months ago that Max had said "This album will be melodic, we are who we are we are Escape the Fate" I respect hes doing what hes doing. In my view its the type of album you'r either gonna love it, or hate it.

[SH3RR3D]

yeah this is utter bollocks ronnie was a big headed arse by saying he was escape the fate.. but he was right

[Shinsen88]

Pretty mediocre album, IMO. *shrug*

[qotsa1998]

I kinda wish this had lived up to the hype. Without Ronnie and Omar, ETF sounds more like an 80s hair band than a post-hardcore or screamo band. Overall, even with all the hype and expectaions set for em, the album is rather mediocre.

[XxRustInPeacexX]

ETF-Omar-Ronnie=BAD

[XxRustInPeacexX]

i loved thier previous album thoug.. :[

[Maggot66]

TFK_62 wrote:

Yeah without Ronnie, they were doomed, cause he made them who they were. Now they're probably like... Escapethefall... but I'll still buy this cd to hear it.

They did not Escapethefall at all. xP

That comment made me rofl though..

I wish they still had Ronnie.. They are really failing without him..

[NewSkewl]

i have to admit,

qotsa1998 wrote:

I kinda wish this had lived up to the hype. Without Ronnie and Omar, ETF sounds more like an 80s hair band than a post-hardcore or screamo band. Overall, even with all the hype and expectaions set for em, the album is rather mediocre.

i have to agree. the album is just bad.
no more screaming save This War is Ours and one other I think

[NewSkewl]

XxRustInPeacexX wrote:

ETF-Omar-Ronnie=BAD

+100000

[ismellfunny13]

BigDean wrote:

"This album will be melodic, we are who we are we are Escape the Fate"

He said it WON'T be a melodic album

[ratedpg]

Honestly I was worried that people would actually like this new ETF, I'm glad they're getting the reviews they deserve. It sucks what happened with Ronnie, but to replace him with Craig? Honestly I can't stand his whiny emo voice, it's awful. ETF was such an awesome band, this sucks.

[JessicaGonzo]

great cd, but i like craig in BTF better.

[AnEvilWalrus]

This is stupid.
The only song I really like off this album is The Guillotine Part 2, and only for part of the song...
this sounds like generic metalcore to me, for the most part.
I dunno they lost something special when they lost Ronnie.
He made a huge difference.

[Ghost_Knive]

anyone going to notice that Craig saved ETF and that he is not trying to be Ronnie. The album is actually good when you have an open mind and get off of your own high horse. The first things anyone says about ETF is RONNIE. Get over it. They didn't lose Ronnie, he did it all by himself.

[kornball82490]

09.10 Miles Wide: a charging Rock n' Roll song that sounds like Atreyu's new style. Older metal redefined with a new age touch, with some good vocals from Mabbit and an interesting riff throughout.

i thought this was interesting seeing that Josh Todd of Buckcherry sang additional vox on "Blow" from LeadSailsPaperAnchor.

anyways, at first i liked the cd a lot...but the more i listen, yeah only "the flood" and "this war is ours" really hit the spot i like. i saw them live a couple weeks ago, it was a good show though i had expected a bit more. i have to agree that Craig was waaayyyy better with blessthefall. i hope that whoever picks up the mic for them fills the gap that was lost. it will be interesting to see where ETF goes from here. best of luck guys.

[Necrophile]

"A hundred thousand wings, soaring through the skies, at in-tense speeds, we can't catch with our eyes".

Ah. Good times. Every song made before this album was constantly being played, I loved every damn song they made. This album is not what I expected. I expected greatness after hearing the two tracks they posted on myspace.

It's like they posted those songs "hey our album will sound like this" response "Oh cool lol I'm totally buying". *buys* "Hey wait a minute..."

I'll always love their old songs though and I hope they can bring back that atmosphere in the future. I think their songs had a certain level of epicness and badassery in them.

[hendris]

love escape the fate. either way.

[Boxiii]

I'm very disappointed that the bad review is the featured one. The review isn't even good, I bet UG just has some ETF haters who featured a review to make everybody think this album is horrible. Yeah Ashley and some other songs are terrible, but the albums good. The guitars are sick, and I think Craig did a good job at taking over. Screw all you Ronnie lovers, he's a loser. what kind of loser posts pics from jail on his myspace?

[lordneezi]

can someone post a link to ronnies myspace?

[ismellfunny13]

just type in ronnie radke myspace on google

[Cheesepuff]

http://viewmorepics.myspace. com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=5791181&a lbumId=2084910

Oh that is funny

[lt22]

well... i liked the old ETF better, but some of the new stuff is ok. i liked the old Blessthefall better too... oh well.
BTW in the first review it says "Blessed the Fall" seriously man, what the ****? its Blessthefall.

[frankadank10]

Craig Mabbit IS NOT RONNIE RADKE of course he's not going to sound different its a pretty good album get over it. I love Ronnie to death and he is going to a new band with Omar when he gets out of prison so go support them when he gets out and goes to tha new band. ETF will not be tha same without Ronnie but change happens and it usually happens for tha better get over it. This may have worked out for the better for Ronnie and Omar.

[rocker193]

wat the hell!! this is getting annoying. i sit here and read the reveiws and i get soo freaken annoyed with the negative remarks its not even funny. ya so craig doesn't sound much like ronnie and he changed the style a little. boo flippin hoo. the album is almost as good if not better than DIYLF. those of u that are claiming to be "fans" of ETF need to reevaluate wat youve been saying. u claim to be true fans yet u talk about how craig sux and completely ruined the band and how ronnie was so much better. ya ronnie was good on the CD ill give him credit for that but live he sucked! and tell me why does a criminal deserve to be in a band and risk completely tearing it apart which is wat radke almost did? ill agree that the old ETF and BTF were good but now theyre both better than ever!! those of u who claim to be true "fans" never really were. theres no such thing as old ETF fans and new ETF fans. ur either a fan or not. i love the new CD

[Mitchaell]

Hated this album at first, but like it now. They should of changed their name though to warn us of their new 'style' of music

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

rocker193 wrote:

wat the hell!! this is getting annoying. i sit here and read the reveiws and i get soo freaken annoyed with the negative remarks its not even funny. ya so craig doesn't sound much like ronnie and he changed the style a little. boo flippin hoo. the album is almost as good if not better than DIYLF. those of u that are claiming to be "fans" of ETF need to reevaluate wat youve been saying. u claim to be true fans yet u talk about how craig sux and completely ruined the band and how ronnie was so much better. ya ronnie was good on the CD ill give him credit for that but live he sucked! and tell me why does a criminal deserve to be in a band and risk completely tearing it apart which is wat radke almost did? ill agree that the old ETF and BTF were good but now theyre both better than ever!! those of u who claim to be true "fans" never really were. theres no such thing as old ETF fans and new ETF fans. ur either a fan or not. i love the new CD

People dont have to like them if they changed to a wannabe mtv band like they did. I think the Real fans would be very disappointed that their favorite band is going to a more mainstream boring,sound rather than their old raw ballsy sound. I get the feeling your one of those scene kids who is only obsessed with their image and couldnt give a crap what is sounded like.

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

Ghost_Knive wrote:

lol 1 you don't even know that Craig is from blessthefall? 2 you are SO biased, what bad reporting. Please whine elsewhere? Give things fair reviews.

Hey I think put some comments on your youtube if im correct as to who you are. I listened to the cd with an open mind 3 times, I went to 2 shows with that talentless "vocalist" I cant stand what my favorite band has become I was never biased in the beginning and im not biased now. I hate this pop punk BS ETF has become. And on your other comment Craig may not be trying to be Ronnie but he is not what he used to be he changed his looks right away when he joined ETF. Hes a friggin poser he didnt stay true to himself . Saved ETF
lol
what a laugh that was man.

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

XxRustInPeacexX wrote:

ETF-Omar-Ronnie=BAD

Dude I doubt youve even seen the original lineup Live in person so STFU

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

Boxiii wrote:

I'm very disappointed that the bad review is the featured one. The review isn't even good, I bet UG just has some ETF haters who featured a review to make everybody think this album is horrible. Yeah Ashley and some other songs are terrible, but the albums good. The guitars are sick, and I think Craig did a good job at taking over. Screw all you Ronnie lovers, he's a loser. what kind of loser posts pics from jail on his myspace?

Ahh so we have to like this BS pop punk BS to be "real fans" . IDGAF if ronnie was the biggest ass and craig is "cool" All i care about is what they sound like and it sounds like craigs balls have not dropped.

[metal_666_man]

first time listening to the album, i was very disappointed, after listening to it a couple more times it grew on me, songs like ashley, on to the next one whihc at first i cant say i liked, i ended up liking them. So anyone whos just agreeing with the review to blend in with everyone else, please give this album a couple runs through and then decide where you stand

[dj_pimp]

i hope you all know that Josh Todd sings in the song "10 Miles Wide"
thats why it has such a Rock N' Roll feel..

the first time i heard "10 Miles Wide" i thought "hmm, this reminds me of a certain Buckcherry song.." and sure enough Josh Todd from Buckcherry sings on the track.
no if your a big Buckcherry fan like me you would realize that the chorus for "10 Miles Wide" sounds i bit too familiar with Buckcherry's "Rescue Me"
..but then again, Josh Todd DOES sing and contribute to this ETF song..
either way, its still a good song

[Niki (guitar)]

If you're not comparing this album to the previous album or EP, it barely achieves mediocrcy. In comparison, though, this is absolutely horrible. I know picking up the pieces after Ronnie and Omar left was hard and all, but seriously? Craig was great with Blessthefall, but not so much with Escape the Fate. The only thing that saved me from tossing this album out was the title track, The War is Ours (The Guillotine Pt. II). The rest of the songs, in my opinion, are very cliche and poorly written. I will admit Ronnie wasn't the greatest songwriter, but he definitely defined ETF. They've become way to mainstream pop-punk now, and there's nothing original about them. It's not like I'm trying to like bust ETF's nuts or anything, but I was very disappointed. Hopefully, Ronnie will go through with his new band called From Behind These Walls and revive the old Escape the Fate sound, because this certainly isn't it.

[padgea7x]

hidemyintention
^^ i yhinkyour review is best
a new singer can make or break in this case its a bit of both, some people are disapointed with craig but i'm not i think he's an excellent replacement

[padgea7x]

YAY i made it go up to 7.1

[Vedicardi]

Escape the Fate blows, this goes to prove it more.

[Rockinguitar]

I Like ETF, but I only listen to This War Is Ours (The Guillotine Part II), and The Flood now. There may been others I thought were ok, but none that memorable. Love the new Singer tho!!

[xtommyguntim]

ethizzle2 wrote:

As for the guitar ed - it's monte, who had been playing rhythm in the past.

I couldn't agree more...he's absolutely amazing, especially in Guillotine p.2. I think he's going to have many, many opportunities in the future to branch out given the phenomenal level of playing he has obtained.

Monte was the Lead guitarist in the old albums, and Escape the Fate was way better back then.

[BiOhAZarD722]

best fucking cd ever,, go buy it!!

[PurpleBear102]

It's different, it changed too much for me with craig.. they should change the name

[dragula852]

this shitty album sucks such magnificently large balls. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** you! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****... and hey padgea7x craig is a shitty replacement on a shitty album so **** your 7.1, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of shit... dont buy the new cd... bring ronnie back... please!

[padgea7x]

PurpleBear102 wrote:

It's different, it changed too much for me with craig.. they should change the name

what bless the fate?

[ismellfunny13]

dragula852 wrote:

this shitty album sucks such magnificently large balls. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** you! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****... and hey padgea7x craig is a shitty replacement on a shitty album so **** your 7.1, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of shit... dont buy the new cd... bring ronnie back... please!

someones had a bad day

[padgea7x]

dragula852 wrote:

this shitty album sucks such magnificently large balls. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** you! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****... and hey padgea7x craig is a shitty replacement on a shitty album so **** your 7.1, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of shit... dont buy the new cd... bring ronnie back... please!

ok then.....i bet your one of those people that listen to the old etf albums while sitting in the middle of an empty room rocking backwards and forwards saying i want ronnie back i want ronnie back.....you blasted 3 people for saying their opinions...your opinion was sad...no offense intended no i am not saying you are sad no i am not saying you are sad at all
ok maybe a little bit...

[padgea7x]

dragula852 wrote:

this great album rules and has such magnificently large balls compared to mine. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** me ..please i'm desperate! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****...that i love and hey padgea7x craig is a great replacement on a great album so **** your 7.1...or i will, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of masterwork... dont buy the new cd cz i'll buy it for you... bring ronnie back... please! or i'll keep rocking back and forth on the floor listening to him sing

[Xdearxxdiaryx]

dragula852 wrote:

this shitty album sucks such magnificently large balls. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** you! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****... and hey padgea7x craig is a shitty replacement on a shitty album so **** your 7.1, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of shit... dont buy the new cd... bring ronnie back... please!

I was talking to the idiot who said Omar and ronnie suck. And yes it does matter retard how the **** are you gonna know whos playing guitar during what parts on the CD. It all comes out live. where you in the studio with them huh
I think not. Fuck you too *******.

[castoo]

gay

[ismellfunny13]

castoo wrote:

gay

get out

[Second Bass]

Screw the new album. Its awful. Ronnie ftw

[seer_240]

ismellfunny13 wrote:

dragula852 wrote:

this shitty album sucks such magnificently large balls. Xdearxxdiaryx who cares if someone saw the original lineup live, we still heard the music so **** you! Ghostknive, craig is trying to be and even look like ronnie, he changed his looks upon joining the band, and i just wanted to let you know you are a bitch****... and hey padgea7x craig is a shitty replacement on a shitty album so **** your 7.1, blow it right out your ass cuz the rest of us know this war is ours is a piece of shit... dont buy the new cd... bring ronnie back... please!someones had a bad day

lmao ... more like a very bad day!

Well the album is okay apart from shit like ashley and let it go ... you gotta respect the fact that they came up with such an effort after losing a terrific vocalist and a guitarist!

6/10

[kgranlund]

Craig murders Ronnie vocally.

[Zebrahead_SICK]

kgranlund wrote:

Craig murders Ronnie vocally.

and ronnie just plain murders...

[ismellfunny13]

Zebrahead_SICK wrote:

kgranlund wrote:

Craig murders Ronnie vocally.
and ronnie just plain murders...

haha i gets it

[CleanCanvas]

all these reviews are bad..
all by ronnie lovers
that are hating cause he got kicked out..
craig is vocally much more strong

[CleanCanvas]

ethizzle2 wrote:

As for the guitar ed - it's monte, who had been playing rhythm in the past.

thats partly true
Bryan was lead in a few songs on the past album

[Emo_Blood]

idk how u guys can like...diss ETF after all the shit thats gone down. i like ETF either way. with ronnie or craig. some people get ticked off that ronnie is gone or craigs gone from blessthefall but seriously...why bother anymore when this bands totally doing good. Bryan great guitarist. Max great bassist. Robert amazing drummer Craig, fits right in like he was there from the beginning. so let it go

[reaper_x]

Second Bass wrote:

Screw the new album. Its awful. Ronnie ftw

Shutup.
Ronnie can't sing for ****.
Craig is much more stronger vocally,
Whether you like it or not.

ETF will always be ETF.

Now go cry yourself to bed.

[carulezd00d]

BTF is better without Craig. Falling In Reverse with surely flourish and Escape The Fate will be forgotten. seriously? Ronnie ftw. ETf IS NOT THE SAME AT ALL. Huge style changes, massive and horrible lyric switches and it completely lacks the vibe Ronnie and Omar brought to the band. PLM and FIR are way superior to this. ETF is seriously going down the shitter if they don't fix this on the next album. I mean, it's one thing to have sophomore-nitis, but this takes the cake for worst followup. Craig isn't a bad vocalist at all. He's just not good for the ETF vibe.

[vtolegend]

CleanCanvas wrote:

all these reviews are bad..
all by ronnie lovers
that are hating cause he got kicked out..
craig is vocally much more strong

True. I am a fan of both, but I have to go with Craig. He has so much more toned talent than ronnie. his voice has so much more range, and he preforms live alot better. I'll agree that this album is a bit far from they're comfort zone, but they admitted themselves they were rushed in the making, with a new singer. I talked with them recently and they said that since then, they've become familiar with Craigs musical talents, and will be able to make a better album, and that we are in store for something awesome.

[iH8CarAccidents]

First off, people need to stop bitching about this album. It was not THAT bad. Craig is a good vocalist who managed to hold his own with this band. Personally, I like his screams better than Ronnie's but Ronnie's singing voice beats no contest. Craig just sounds too generic screamo band sometimes when he sings.
This CD had some good standout tracks. My favorites were The Flood, This War Is Ours, and Ten Miles Wide. Having the guy from Buckcherry on that last one was... interesting. I kinda liked it. It's just a fun song all around.
The rest of the songs are alright but kinda seem like filler compared to their last CD. Not terrible, but not the best they could have made.
On that note, When does Ronnie get out of Jail? Hopefully before their next album...

[soad-aholic]

CleanCanvas wrote:

all these reviews are bad..
all by ronnie lovers
that are hating cause he got kicked out..

craig is vocally much more strong

haha hmmm, i herad both albums, about 400 times and have come to a conclusion... They are two different singers, they are different in lyrics and tecnique, they are (have) took the band to different styles, and they both rule. Just mourn the loss of Ronnie but at least get over it, ETF are now new and I think the direction they are taking is epic... but more metal and abstract lyrics... (like THSFTD *sigh*)

[dkm817]

This war is ours' solo, i have to say, is no match to the sweep picking in the beginning of the song. It is monsterous! The coolest sweep picking i have ever heard.

[Rainydayclothin]

You realize that this cd name is about ronnie right?
man, they are both talented, different styles, but talented, I was talking to craig on november 1st, 2009 in worcester, MA. and he said he is getting more comfortable with his screams and they already have new stuff written and they are going to be heading to the studio again soon. He also said that they are going to be a lot heavier which is good, not to mention ronnies song on the falling in reverse myspace was recorded when he was 18 years old in escape the fate, however it was his song, so the song is old, but they too are going to be heavier, and they will also have some pop punk songs as well!