If Only Your Were Lonely Review

Release Date: Feb 28, 2006
Label: Victory
Genres: Rock
Number Of Tracks: 12
It is a freaking masterpiece. They stuck to their sound but improved.

Sound:	7.3
Lyrics:	6.8
Impression:	7.4
Overall rating:	7.2
Users rating:	5.9
Comments:	203

overall: 9.3

Featured review by: facundo_mundo, on january 05, 2006

Sound: I got my hands on this early so I decided to give y'all a heads up on this. It is a freaking masterpiece. They stuck to their sound but improved. This is where most bands mess up because they variate from their roots. So they met their mark. They expermient a little but always come right back with that typical HH guitar and the very stiff drums. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: It's typical Hawthorne Heights, and they are pretty much at their best right now. Lyrics and music go real well, and the whole album flows almost flawlessly. The singer broadend his note range a little bit, and it worked out fine. // 8

Impression: This album is a great add to their one album career, and hopefuly they will keep up the very good work. This album has various amazing songs, but "This Is Who We Are" would be the best song out of there in my opinion. It's a perfect, absolutely perfect opening to their cd, with good tempo, energy, agressive screaming, it sucks you right in and makes you want to listen to the whole thing, it's brilliant. I love the whole thing, but the only thing I didn't really agree with was the fact the tried the whole "techno" electrica thing here and there, it wasn't bad it added a little variation but I'm affraid they'd abuse it and mess up later. If this album was lost or stolen, I would really buy it, hell I'd buy it twice. It's supposed to come out Feb. 28th, so mark it in your calendars and go get it, I really recomend it. // 10

overall: 9

Reviewed by: AVA_182_44, on march 27, 2006

Sound: About a year ago, I heard Hawthorne Height's first hit, "Ohio Is For Lovers" from their first album, "The Silence In Black And White." And I knew it was love at first sight, sound I mean. Their first album was great, and their follow up, sophmore album, "If Only You Were Lonely" which came out Febuary 28th, with their third hit "Saying Sorry," was a phenomenon. Their alubm illustrates how lonely it can be, when you're away from the ones you love. The confusion, frustration, and heart breaking anguish, that leaves your heart broken in two, but then, you find that missing person, and everything's all right again. The two versions of "If Only You Were Lonely" illustrate a story when put together. I'm not exactly sure what it is, but my best guess is. A new kid moved to town one day, he was lonely, afraid, and scared in this new town. But then he met a girl who eventually became his best friend. They became inseparable. But then, the boy moved away again, and the two were heartbroken. They promised to stay in touch, and they did for years. But eventually they grew apart, and they both had dreams about eachother, trying to get to one another. The same recurring dream every night. Then finally, they found eachother, and expressed eachothers love for one another. It really is a great album. They take, emo, post-hardcore, and some hard rock, and combine the three together to make great music, with their own sound and originallity. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: J. T. Woodruff, lead singer of Hawthorne Heights, and their screaming back up singer, Casey Calvert, bring their own new sound, and originallity to the lyrics of their new album. They're like no other band out their, with their willingness to explore a whole new type of music, and the outgoing vocals. J. T. has a smooth, soft voice that really reaches out to you, and really brings you closer to the song. Then, blown away by Casey's rough and coarse vocals, that make you want more of this album. Their lyrics, tie into the guitars, and drums, which blend together to make great hits such as "Saying Sorry," "Where Can I Stab Myself In The Ears?" and "This Is Who We Are." // 8

Impression: Hawthorne Height's new twist one emo, post hardcore, and hard rock makes a whole new orginal sound, which gives you "If Only You Were Lonely." Their somewhat of an outcast, with their different sounds of music, but still tie into the blend of all the other great bands out their. I love the three guitarists, with their insane guitar parts, and the out goingness of the drums and bass. The only thing that I hate about the CD is when I get done listening to "Decembers" then the CD is over. If I were to lose this CD, I would buy it again in a heart beat. // 10

overall: 1

Reviewed by: Modernmusich8er, on april 10, 2006

Sound: Hawthorne Heights are among my most hated bands in existence (which is very large considering how crappy todays music is). Whenever I hear "Saying Sorry" on the radio or see it on TV I want to blow my brains in. As a musician it infuriates me that I can create a masterpiece and still live paycheck to paycheck while people with no talent like this band can play the same thing over and over and sing crappy lyrics over and over and be stars. I ca't express through words how upset this band makes me and how badly I want them to fail along with every other modern band with no talent. // 1

Lyrics and Singing: The lowest you can rate on this scale is a 1 but if I could I would give the lyrics to this album a 0. When I went to my friends house(a fan of this band, a fact that almost threatened our friendship) I was subjected to listening to this album and I am suprised I'm still alive to write this review. Is it just me or are whinny lyrics about love with screaming in the middle unbelieveably annoying? If you want to listen to real music I suggest that you steer clear of this band or any other band in this genre and listen to classic rock. // 1

Impression: I hate this band, period. I would rather hear microphone feedback for 24 hours straight than listen to Hawthorne Heights. I suggest that you join my crusade to revive the classic rock sound like Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, The Rolling Stones, Rush, etc. If you listen to this album and know what real talent is you will see what this band lacks, and that is talent. // 1

overall: 8

Reviewed by: Austi_rocker, on april 24, 2006

Sound: Hawthorne Heights. One of the coolest bands ever period. Their music is some of the best music I've heard! They stuck to the same style of music in their previous album "The Silence In Black And White" and then they gave me even more than I expected. Even though a couple of thier songs can be overplayed I will almost never get sick of listening to them. Truely this an album you should greatly consider buying. // 8

Lyrics and Singing: As a musician I would have to say that this band has some of the most impressive lyrics I have ever heard. The lyrics go great with the music. And their lead singer J.T. is awesome. Their backup vocals bring the whole thing together though. // 8

Impression: I have to say that the most impressive songs on the album are: Language Lessons (Five Words Or Less) and Light Sleeper. The coolest intro to a song would definetly be Dead In The Water though. If I wasn't so broke I would probably go out and get another CD, that is how good they are. And of course what is there to hate, it's Hawthorne Heights! // 8

overall: 9.7

Reviewed by: Jegel, on february 25, 2006

Sound: Well lets just say Hawthorne Heights has improved 10 fold. This is without a doubt 10 times better than there last album. The band comes together really well on this one, everything has improved, plus they have kept true to there style. These elements make this album one to pick up. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics have improved drastically. They remain true to the Hawthorne Heights style. I think the lyrics are a little bit more happy then the last album too, which makes this one alot better to listen to. // 9

Impression: fantastic. The guitar work is great. First time I've ever heard Hawthorne Heights use pinch harmonics, theres also a little solo in one song which is very refreshing to hear considering what style of music they are playing. This album blows the last one out of the water, since I've heard this, I've pretty much lost the old one. This one is fantastic. Hawthorne Heights fans will love it, and people who used to hate them, will start to like them as they listen to this wonderful work. // 10

Reviewed by: unregistered, on march 20, 2006

Sound: Hawthorne Heights sophomore album is, let's just say, somewhat of a dissapointment. After all the advertising they had for it, and how much they talked it up on various music shows, I thought it would be amazing. However, after hearing Saying Sorry, I was very dissapointed. I thought though, when I bought the album that there would be some really good songs on there. When I bought it, I was let down once again. There's about 2-3 good songs on there. "This Is Who We Are," "Language Lessons" and "December" are basically the only songs worth listening to. On top of everything else, the emo-ness is ridiculous. The vocals are so whiny. Their first album was a lot more real, this album, is them trying more to fit into the emo scene, and they really did it. The whole album, all they basically do is whine, it gets really old. // 4

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics are decent. I like the first album a lot better. These lyrics are kind cheesy, especially on "Saying Sorry." The lyrics go very well with the music, but the music isn't the greatest I've heard anyway. The singing is horrible. Emo has reached a new low. They try so hard to be emo. I really think they could have done better with this album. // 5

Impression: Hawthorne Heights first album is a lot better than this album. If this was your first taste of Hawthorne Heights, than I'm sorry. Because they really are an amazing band, but this album is sub-par beyong imagination. Best songs are "This Is Who We Are," "Language Lessons" and "December." The emo singing really needs to die. They try way to hard, and after about 2 minutes it just gets to whining. If this was stolen, I would not buy the same CD. I would download the 3 good songs on the album. // 4

overall: 7.3

Reviewed by: fret13, on august 11, 2006

Sound: I've always been an HH fan ever since I bought The Silence In Black And White and I thought that they were awesome. I bought this CD and still being awestruck from the first one liked it. If I wrote this review when I bought this CD I would have given the entire thing a 10 but now it's just obnoxious. The sound is very acceptional nothing wrong with it the lead singer sounds the same and the guitars have definately put in a lot more effort. The bass line is not much different from rhythm guitar. People who call this emo are wrong this is not emo, the lyrics sound emo, but the style isnt I can't put my finger on what it is though. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics suck. that is all I have to say. All of them are about love and being apart and if it's not that then the lyrics make no sence what'soever. "Your such a light sleeper", "Breathing\in the same sequence." I mean who cares and why. HH has a good way of making a tune but they need to work on the lyrics. // 7

Impression: This is probibly the wrost CD I own next to Thousand Foot Krutch Penomenon. If this was the first time youve heard of HH I'm sorry you should have gotten their first album. The only good song is This Is Who We Are. If I lost it it wouldn't matter I have both covers. // 6

overall: 9.3

Reviewed by: xsv, on july 04, 2006

Sound: The band was best at this CD. Personally this cd was so much more lively and better than the first. You could call it a better revised edition of the first CD. This album wasn't as creative, just because every song uses these 3 power chords 664, 442, and 220. Every single song is based off those 3 chords and it gets old after awhile. The story is about a guy and a girl moving away from each other I think, and then both of the parents on the girl's and guy's side get them frustrated, so the boy and girl move back to their old house. This CD was impressive though, with catchy lyircs and some really cool sounding guitar riffs.even though this cd has less screaming, it gets the job done. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics were catchy, but not as emotional as the first CD. The music fit the vocals perfectly. The vocals of JT, casey and matt made the cd smooth and not flawed. JT's vocal quality isn't bad, and not the best but it gets the job done and was an excellent choice for vocals. Casey's screaming fits perfect on the right moments. // 9

Impression: I don't really compare CDs, I really just listen to them and see the similar things. Well I listen to taking back sunday, Fall Out Boy, All-American Rejcts, Relient K and all that punk/pop/post hard core stuff. If this CD was stolen I would buy this again because my CD is autorgraphed buy the band, and I would chase the guy down who stole my CD. // 10

overall: 9.7

Reviewed by: Love.Lies.Break, on april 14, 2006

Sound: I think that HH has made so much progress with their latest release. They sound more mature, especially with their guitars. It is like their last album, but they have gotten better on so many levels. They blend pop-punk, emo and screamo so well. Their sound is one of a kind. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: Their lyrics blow me away. They are so true to not only themselves, but to their fans and the people who inspire them. They speak so honestly and their music conveys that. Together, the music and lyrics are a dangerous duo, especially with JT, Matt and Casey giving their all. They make their last CD sound, have to say it, so last year. // 10

Impression: They have continued to get better and earn my respect and appreciation. I would say that this album is definitely in my top 5. The best songs, to me, would be Language Lessons, Dead In The Water, Cross Me Off Your List and Decembers. I love this cd because I can play it over and over and never get tired of it. I don't really hate anything except that it's only 12 songs. If it got stolen from me (let us pretend I didn't rip it onto my PC) I would definitely buy it again. Actually, I bought both version A and B. So I'd buy them both again. // 10

Reviewed by: unregistered, on june 23, 2006

Sound: In thier first album (the silence in black and white) they showed a sighed of the band that is a lot darker then this album (if only you were only). For this album they showed a lot of aggresivness'and a punk rock kinda situation then their darker emo type on their 1st album. They put a lot of thinking into this album to show who they really are, and they really through this album at you before ur eyes. I never did like Hawthorne Heights, but when I listened to this album I was amazed and how rad it was from beginning to end. Overal this is a great albumm and one of my favs. // 10

Lyrics and Singing: In this album the lyrics were a lot stronger and agressive then their 1st, the lyrics in the 1st album are somewhat what the lyrics are in this one, but the lyrics in this album are really bold and the singer did a great job with the lyrics this album. The singer skills I think are a lot better in this album then the 1st, a lot more broader voice and really good screamo. The lead singer has a good voice, but I think if ur in band u dont need a real good singer so it's all good. // 10

Impression: This album is amazing it doesn't compare to their 1st. I can't really compare it to other albums or anything it is just a raelly good album. I'd say that the most impressive songs on this album are "this is who we are" because its a great start for an album that is so aggressive and mind shredding it gives a new taste of what to expect from Hawthorne Heights but also a Hawthorne Heights that u new before listening to the album. Also another song that is really crazy is "Where I stab myself in the ears" this song is a good lyricaly well done song and it's really hardcore. If my cd was stolen I'd go buy 2 more if only you were lonely just in case one of them gets stolen again so I have another one. // 10

overall: 6.7

Reviewed by: I am punk "BF", on september 21, 2007

Sound: It was pretty good but it could have been a little better. The vocals were okay and the guitars were not to great. In "This is who we are" the vocals were a little better. Tdrums were okay but still they were not great. There was minor screaming in this album and it was pretty light. The first song I have ever heard from this band was "ohio is for lovers" but none of the songs on this album are that good. // 7

Lyrics and Singing: The lyrics were okay. They did not sing about bad stuff which is a really good thing. They also do not curse which is a thing I love about these guys. The lyrics could have been thought out a little bit more but other than that they were not to bad. The song called "On your side" sounded a little corny to me, but like I said they were not terrible. They were also not great. // 7

Impression: Overall I was not to thrilled with this album. If I lost it I may not ever replace it again. The album was not terrible, but it was not what I expected. The thing I hated most was the "vicTorV" disc it came with. There was a lot of stuff on there that really did not need to be there. It was hosted by JT and since I saw that "VictorV" thing I stopped thinking JT was cool. // 6

overall: 5.3

Reviewed by: Bored_2_Death, on july 13, 2006

Sound: Hawthorne Heights is yet another emo band people now listen to. Their new album provides a cleaner sound than their previous album. I'm not sure but it sounds like there is a flanger or studio effect added. The bass is decent and the drums sounds the same like from most bands. One bad thing I don't like about the sound is that most of the guitar riffs sound the same on this album. One of the unique things about this band is instead of the basic line-up of rhythm guitarist, lead guitarist, bassist, and a drummer seen in most bands, Hawthorne Heights has 3 guitarists. // 6

Lyrics and Singing: The weakest point of this album is probably the lyrics. Some of the lyrics are kinda catchy but the others are just annoying. I especially hate the screaming thing that one of the 3 guitarists or the bassist does. It makes a song worse and it's just really annoying to listen to. The screamings is just plain shit. The lead singer's voice is decent but it gets annoying to listen after a while. // 4

Impression: Overall, this is a very slightly above average album. It has strong points and really bad points. My favorite songs on this album are If Only You Were Lonely, Pens And Needles, and Saying Sorry. The thing I hate most about this album is the screaming. It's nothing special and it's just really, really, really, really, annoying. If you want to listen to bands that do the screaming good, take my advice and listen to AFI for Davey Havok's vocals and System Of A Down for Daron Malakian's occasional screaming. // 6

overall: 3.3

Reviewed by: xXbleed4meXx, on march 01, 2006

Sound: The sound seemed muddy and thick to me. The guitars lack cutting power and the bassist seems content to sit in the pocket for every song. The drums were so-so, and the vocals lack any flare. I give it a 3 because at least they didn't change their entire sound into a highly polished pop melody band. // 3

Lyrics and Singing: "Seeing you cry, over my boring lyrics, makes me feel like saying sorry." This was the major downfall of this record for me. I had expected Hawthorne Heights to come back with different subject matter for an album than simply "I miss you." The lines are tired and generic. // 2

Impression: The only part of this entire record I liked was the chorus to "Saying Sorry." Other than that, the lyrics are mediocre, the sound is less than desirable, and the overall work is just below the par of what I expected from musicians with such a dynamic live performance. I'll give it a 5 because they stuck to their guns and made their record, not mine. Better luck next time guys. // 5

Comments

[Seth Shadow]

This is an amazing album, i got my hands on it early. People will really like it if they liked "Ohio is for Lovers" of their cd "The Silence In Black And White".
I Liked EVERY track off this Album... It is amazing.

[greendaynaz87]

i've gotta get it..

[any14doomsday]

That new song is god awful.

[BrokenWingman]

As far as I'm concerned, Hawthorne Heights would be better if they were so emo with their lyrics. Musically not bad at all. But good god, their lyrics are retarded.

[kevinmawae25]

why does everyone in this fuccin community rank on emo music?... what the **** is wrong with putting alot of emotion in your lyrics?... i mean look into history, some of the greatest songs; Tears in Heaven, Sweet child o Mine, theyre all based on fuccin emotion... so these guys have different emotions, why is that a problem?

[tgbass100]

i agree with kevinmawae25. If there werent emotion in music, it WOULDNT EVEN BE GOOD! I say more things should be emo. Like my grass!That way it would cut itself!

[Jonnybin123]

They're music is alright, but I agree, it's a little to emo and I'm not one to go for that much emo. I accidentally borrowed Silence in Black and White and was disgusted at the "I cut myself for you" type of lyrics. Oh well, I'm just not a person to go buy this even if the music was good.

[redrumydoolb]

Their lyrics are pathetic. There is nothing wrong with emotion in lyrics, they just aren't good at it. Brand New are ace at emotion in lyrics.

[tgbass100]

redrumydoolb wrote:

Their lyrics are pathetic. There is nothing wrong with emotion in lyrics, they just aren't good at it. Brand New are ace at emotion in lyrics.

good call. There is a little too much stereotypical emo lyrics with HH. But I was just commenting on on brokenwingman saying that emotion is bad in music which is just plain assonine

[LetTheBassPlay]

I'm not a HH fan, but i'll more than likely check out the new album, just to see what its like. I liked a couple of their old songs, but it was just way to freaking emo for me. a little emo is necessary in songs, but not as much as HH has in some songs

[relientkrock]

They sound to me like they're trying to be like any other emo/screemo band, but maybe I'm wrong

[Zoso68]

idk i find them very unimpressive...and i heard they dont write ther own music has neone else heard that?

[YourMusicSucks]

Hawthorne heights isn't emo, and anyone who says that (Unless they're hating on emo, which is perfectly acceptable) is a ****ing moron.

And the problem with this supposed "emo" is the fact that it IS NOT emotion. It was a untalenented vocalist writing two cds off of a handful of similar problems, either because he isnt talented enough to do more or because he recycles what he knows works with the pathetic, stupid masses of music-listeners.

[Guitarist-82]

I like HH a bit but ya the emo doesnt cut it. Why are there so many people turning emo, jesus. And kevinmawae25 is Completely wrong, tears in heaven and songs like that are based on a completely different type of emotion, not sliting their wrists and blood this blood that. Emo musicians write songs as if their life is so horrible even though they make millions every song they write!

[Seth Shadow]

Guitarist-82 is right but also wrong, Tears in Heaven Is Alot different from a song like "Ohio is for lovers", or "Wake Up Call" I Agree. "So Cut My Wrosts And Black My Eyes, So I Can Fall Asleep Or Die Tonight" but keep an open mind about the Subliminal Messages in songs, If you hate emo, you hate it, you hate classic you hate it, theres nothing you can really do except to expose yourself to all ends of music. Don't Like it? fine, the emo fans dont need to hear about it. And Hawthorne Heights try their hardest, thats all I can ask...

[GNR-4-Ever]

Anyway, the actual review could have gone into a bit more depth. Personally, I don't like emo, but I'm not gonna rag on any bands.

[Seth Shadow]

Yah just dont diss other people's likes and dislikes. System of a down is a great band, dont just look at the lyrics, look at the music. Be Respectful and Get Treated with respect. Music is Music Like it or not, It's Here To Stay.

[EatsP1es]

i wasnt a fan of hawthorne heights, then suddenly i just liked them a bit, and they kept growing on me. cant often say that but I do think theyre a pretty damn good band

[Fat-Man]

I asolutely loved their first album, I mean it was typical "emo" but I loved it! I haven't been able to get my hands on it yet. but I will, I hope it's better than the first though, I mean lyrics, music and vocals were incredible

[LPIndin]

i like scr/emo stuff, but these guys take it a little too far. Every song on the first album was emoish. After a while it just got whiny. Like Blue burns orange for example.

[DoverHockeyPunk]

emo turns into complaining and its just depressing, you can have songs liek that but if you dont have uplifting or just fun songs than the band just seems dark like HH and all kinds of screamo/emo bands.

[randomkiller]

first technically, HH is Screamo or Emocore but whatever... and byrd, im an emo kid at heart, and i love soad, and HH, its just certain people that are so attached to one genre that have no intention of strectching out to other music, i love the silence in black and white, i got it special edition, and i love alot of soad, so it really doesn't matter if your emo or not to like emo music. anyways this new album is gonna rock, and on HH's website it says there are 2 different layouts to get so you acn complete the whole "story"... febuary 28th will be the best day of my life!

[jasonhutchcraft]

dude, What is up with that dude from HH that does that scream thing? That is so freaking retarded... Did you hear the guy on american idol try that crap? he was laughed off the damn stage, just like I laugh when I hear people claim this stuff is a masterpiece.

[jasonhutchcraft]

Seriously though, its hard for me to like anything of quality from Victory Records at all.

[fsckwallace]

First half of the album is pretty bad, second half is decent. First half of the album is boring and repetive. The songs are too far too formulaic. (intro -> quiet verse with lead singer singingly lightly -> more upbeat chorus). The later songs pick it up a bit but overall the album is a snoozefest. (btw this is a review from someone who likes emo) - w

[randomkiller]

SCREAMO!!! IDIOTS ITS SCREAMO!!! and top hat, u said emo is crap without even reading any of the reviews for this album, these guys are depressed guys who take their feeling out in song, but pretty publicly, and its not HH is the most pop emo band, but defintly one of their best, and i dont see you on tv, but maybe you guys should HH credit, this album is definitly highly hyped, and i already have 2 songs i got from purevolume(saying sorry, this is who we are) and this album will already kick ass, so you should just stop flaming HH. serfius is right, in some ways, depending on how you see their music, sej and daron are better guitar players(admit it, its true) but they would have a damn crappy song if it was talking about slitting wrists, while HH do it well,and soad is awsome, but their lyrics are prety difficult to understand, but this is about HH*slap* idiot

[Waterboy799]

kevinmawae25 wrote:

why does everyone in this fuccin community rank on emo music?... what the **** is wrong with putting alot of emotion in your lyrics?... i mean look into history, some of the greatest songs; Tears in Heaven, Sweet child o Mine, theyre all based on fuccin emotion... so these guys have different emotions, why is that a problem?

no no, sweet child was a song based on emotion yes, but listen to the rest of the album, its full on ****in rock, with emo, every single song is talking aout how crappy my life is or why did she dump me and things like that, you cant even compare sweet child o' mine to any emo song today because the lyrics in sweet child arent retarded, they're original, and axl doesnt cry when he sings them.

[LPIndin]

Hawthorne Heights screamer sounds like he's throwing up into the mic. If you guys want a good screamo/metalcore band its not these guys. It Bullet For My Valentine. They are seriously so good. Plus id like to see HH's guitarists pull off some of the riffs that BFMV do

[randomkiller]

ok so ill admit the guitarists arent that good, but they can produce damn well, and im not fully emo, im emo at heart, i dont take anything personally, and dont diss emo kids, they'll find you and shoot you one day... HH has great vocalists(unlike fob, the frontman is crap live)and we can all say, that we have different opiouns(how the hell do u spell that opions? openions?(dont make fun of me, im stupid and i know that) so why the hell do u have to come in here insulting emo kids, emo music, and HH, dude wtf, just leave.

[DavepallekA]

Eh...I agree with BrokenWingman... They're good musicians, but that guy's voice is freakin' annoying.
And mixing screamo and emo together is the greatest either IMO.

[byrd]

There are tons of better guitarist out there, just like there are tons of better writers out there, "shine on dainmond eyes, so you can give this world some color" is my favorite lyirc you d*ck haha, there are tons of shitty lyrics in other types of rock, there alot of main stream rock bands that write simple lyrics too not just emo, all songs were written with emotions, most emo songs are written about break ups and stuff, thats what was going on in their life thats their art. nowadays It's alot harder to find bands that gave it all they had and risked everything to get to the top (not that they arent out there), Those bands wrote about their lives. Metallica, Red hot Chili Peppers, etc... you all know the bands, you're telling me they did't write their music with emotions and didn't shed a tear once? Just like the bands from the 70-80s wrote alot about banging girls, partying and drinking (damn right they put some ****in badass drums and guitar solos) these guys are writting about girls and their sweet emotions, sounds pretty gay, but to me i can relate with the girl problems (not with the slicling writst and stuff), dont you guys have girlfriends? I havent heard their new album, but their old one did have some repeated stuff i noticed, but there some worthy songs, as for whoever said emo writers are not genious, you are mistaken my friend, there are some out there, Death Cab and Dashboard, especially death cab, that used to the Postal Service

[Forbidden Beat]

I agree on the lyrics, they are a bit overboard with emofits =P (slitting wrists, etc). But musically, it's quite impressive. At uni, people pay out on 'emo' music. Now they're saying 'emo' is anything that has anything to do with breaking up with girls and punk music...etc. But that's not the truth, I think that emo is just a trend, lyrics containing stuff like...'i'd kill myself for you, my life sucks'...whatever. And people who wrtie these lyrics have just happened to like Punk/Screamo music and fused them together....so now people say any type of punk/screamo music is 'emo'. So i'd say get your facts right before you go spreading around that bands suck because they're emo. I think that bands like Hawthorne Heights can be called emo, but leave bands out who write about breaking up with girls..etc....god..nothing wrong with those kind of lyrics....unless it has something about cutting themselves...suicidal lyrics...thats the point where the lyrics have gone too far.

Whatever, there's a bunch of jumble for you to read =P

[Friar Tuck]

By Crybabies, for crybabies. It's fine to put emotion into your music, but I really wish some of these bands would cheer the f*ck up, life's not all bad!

[OMGIZZLEZ]

saying goodbye makes me feel like cutting my wrist!!
these guys need to grow up, and quit whining this isnt kindergarden. rated- 1

[$hab]

Got it more than two months ago. I gotta admit, it's pretty shit. Every song sounds the same as one of the songs on the original album, but probably worse. '11- Where Can I Stab Myself In The Ears' is probably the highlight.

[DTFatesWarningX]

Firstly, I'd like to say that not all emo is bad. However, Hawthorne Heights must burn for their transgressions that they've unleashed upon society. Its mass produced CRAP in a little disc shape. However, i will again emphasize my point that not all emo sucks. I'm somewhat inclined towards At the Drive-In, but only because im a Mars Volta fan. (SPARTA SUCKS)I dont think you should be closed minded, but EVERY HH SONG SOUNDS EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS ONE! They take 3 guitarists to do the work of about half. And as far as lyrics, it's OK to put emotion in (in fact its almost required a lot of the time) but stabbing your wrists in EVERY SONG is just uncreative. And if The Mars Volta is not very encouraging, (my friend is just absolutely repelled by them) I also listen to Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Symphony X, Led Zeppelin, Pre BLack Album Metallica, Rush, Pink Floyd (can u tell im a proghead yet?) and other bands. So please, I'm not attacking you if you like HH, I'm attacking them for the evils they've unleashed in the name of corporate gain. ha HA! i have tickets to DT at Radio City Music Hall!

[stars_n_bars]

Emotion is one thing but HH is goddamn pathetic...****ing whining about cutting their goddamn wrists they whine... THEY WHINE ABOUT BULLSHIT, your girl dumps you you dont go off and die, you get the **** over it, im disgraced as a musician after hearing "ohio is for lovers" and "if only you were single"
ROCK AND METAL ARE DYING and by printing and buying bands like HH cd's we are only burying the real music faster
not all emo is bad please do not consider this a shot at all emo, but i wish HH would just cut a lil too deep and bleed themselves dry

[TURNIP]

THey Suck as musicianos

[stars_n_bars]

I concur with DTFatesWarningX
this dude has got it right HH its all the ****ing same
"cut my wrists and black my eyes just so i can sleep tonight...or die"
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!
Randy Rhoads, the late Dimebag Darrel, and every other fallen comrade who could even be considered a descent guitarist are turned over PUKING in thier graves listening to this pathetic string ensemble of three pussies doing the work i could with my left ring and pinky finger

[episode_666]

byrd. u're a freakin idiot. SOAD rules, and often their lyrics are social satires, which explains why you probably didn't understand some of it. And as for the song you were quoting, it's the lost art of HUMOR. Now considering that you're an emo, don't think about that word for more than ten seconds or you'll probably panic, since emos are born without a sense of humor. And by the way, I have a radio show of my own, and good luck playing most Slipknot on the radio without getting a $500,000 fine. I'm not ripping on HH or anything, but you need to calm down a little bit.

[xgrindcorex]

Hawthorne Heights is so terrible. They are just barely dipping into the genre of emo. If you want real, good emo check out some saetia, and life at these speeds.

[stars_n_bars]

Seth Shadow wrote:

This is an amazing album, i got my hands on it early. People will really like it if they liked "Ohio is for Lovers" of their cd "The Silence In Black And White".
I Liked EVERY track off this Album... It is amazing.

you are so deprived...

[genresrforposer]

all emo is an acoustic guitar w/a whiny lead singer. these guys make money off of guitar work a street corner player who had no practice whatsoever cld pull off. they hardly work at all i hate the..... wait a minute. i just got why they do this. excuse me while i go make a hit emo album(then after the 30-50 minutes i use bitchin abt girls mayb ill get a few champagne bottles n me n my friends can rejoice in the fact that this society is dumb and depressing..... unless ur tha 1 milkin it. ohhhhh yea! then wen i get better ill start a metal band i actually wanna play for.

anyone wanna join an emo band? c'mon, no work and all pay make jack a very happy boy.

[BrokenWingman]

redrumydoolb wrote:

Their lyrics are pathetic. There is nothing wrong with emotion in lyrics, they just aren't good at it. Brand New are ace at emotion in lyrics.

Thats exactly my point. I have NO problem with emotion, it's what music is. However when all you hear is "she left me, and now I cut myself" and "she left me, and i'm so alone" wah wah wah. It's whiny BS, when people make funny of Emo, it's not for having emotion, its making fun of overally sensitive music, about guys who are 16 and claiming to have lost someone they "love." give me a break. :/

[heart grenade]

What the **** is wrong with everyone this band freaken sucks i can't stand their whiny additudes.

[BrokenWingman]

Amen.

[Wavecrash]

Well guess what you know why people rant on Emo?
A.Half of emo's SLIT THEIR WRISTS AND ARE DRUGGIES and the other half just don't care. Anyways I'm gonna get it, and they aren't really a emo band.

[bstoner24]

Hawthorne Heights is a piece of shit band. It is a generation of immature human beings that find Hawthorne Heights appealing. And the HH fans that get upset when they are critisized are only going to show how immature and vulnerable they are when they don't hear something they like. It is really meaningless awful music that makes you more dumb for having heard it. Maybe when the "emo" generation grows up one day, they will realize how immature and brainless they used to look at life. That is the only good thing that could come from this new wave of shit.

[randomkiller]

i hate you guys. the guitarists in HH arent that good, tehy wine(that's their genre)but they try.....

[Killswitch31]

I dont really care for Emo music, its the kids that try to act Emo, by cutting their wrists, and wearing all this black makeup, that I have a problem with.

Hawthorne Heights has been a successful band lately, and I respect that. I still dont like their music, but I respect them by drawing a lot of fans to their concerts. But its there fans that annoy the hell out of me.

They think that by cutting their wrists, and dressing up like Goths, and wearing all this makeup, is going to earn them some respect, when its gonna earn them a hard punch in the face.

We have some Emo/Goth kids at our school, that:
1. Smoke drugs
2. Cut their wrists
3. Try to sell drugs to other kids
4. Are just plain annoying

I mean, when you gets kids that are cutting their wrists, having suicidal thoughts, and doing drugs/trying to sell them to kids, they have problems. They also act like little freaks anytime you try to talk to them.

Also, about S.O.A.D., I used to like them. When I heard Aeriels, I fell in love with them. I love their Toxicity album, but then when Hypnotize & Mezermise came out, I lost alot of respect for them.

Most of their lyrics can get annoying, and confusing on what their saying. Also, its the repetitive notes that they sing for 6-10 words at a time that just drives me crazy.

As for their actual playing, I think they have talent, but there are waaay better bands out their.

I like to listen to some Dream Theater, Killswitch Engage, Cradle Of Filth, Arch Enemy, and Guns N' Roses.

Now those bands have talent!

Anyway, HH has done good in the past years, as being Emo/Screamo, but stop having little freak fans.

[speirs13]

okay, lets take a time out. ALL MUSIC IS EMOTIONAL. okay now that thats out of the way, hawthorne heights is pop punk with an annoying guy screaming once in awhile. Theyre just like every other emo/punk.pop punk/whatever the **** you want to call it. they're bad. anyone who read edgar allen poe in high school can write songs like theirs. Its music that appeals to 14 yr old girls who just broke up with their boyfriend, or 14 yr old dudes who are pussies. and i happen to be huge fans of death cab and brand new, calling them both emo is a HUGEEEE understatement. sure brand new's "your favorite weapon" was pop-punkish, but look where theyve gone from there. hawthore heights is atrocious, and so is that whole genre.

[st.jimmy92]

ok heres the deal
a)stop ragging on music its music get over it
b)people ,bands make music ,good music,have any of us ever made an album??,written an entire album??,writing one song makes my head hurt let alone 20 or so,this is just boring i listen to all this emo music and i dont care what other people think,evry1 likes diffrent music,get over it,we cant all like the same things, i dont cut my wrists or nething,i love system of a down and i love HH and taking back sunday and dashboard confessional(people ask me howi can listen to mudvayne then listen to dashboard confessional 10 mins after mudvaynes pounding distorted guitar riffs)
lets just finish this gay cyber argument here and go practise some more songs and get better at guitar and hopefully get big and write an album or just impress a few people whatever u want to do with ur guitar skills

[Killswitch31]

Hmmmmm... if your think that this so called "argument" is gay, than you have some issues.

I dont see how its possible to have a gay argument over music.

[GreenDayUberfan]

There are people in here jumping all over the emos, so I gottta get in on this: LEAVE FUKING EMO MUSIC ALONE! I happen to like it. There is nothing wrong with having emotion in your songs. Hawthorne Heights, I'll admit, can really only sound good after they clean up their sound with sound filtering and stuff, but they do have potential. I heard them in concert, and they're not half bad at all. They are a bit sloppy, but that can be fixed. The moral of this story is: Let people like what they like, and you like what you like. You don't have to agree with what other people like, but why not spoon out some tolerance? Let's all get along, okay? There is no need to rag on emo music, or SOAD. I personally like both. We're here to offer our opinions, and that's all they are is our opinions. It's not like what we say is fact.

P.S.- There's nothing wrong with Edgar Allen Poe, either.

[Eclypse001]

alrite...Its good to listen to SOAD and sometimes its also good to cut back and listen to some emo. There's nothing wrong with SOAD or Emo music.

but....there's one thing that really buggs the crap out of me...how people hate emos...if you think being emo is sick and stupid and that emos dont deserve to live...its not them thats sick and dont deserve to live...its you
thats sick and doesnt deserve to live

they're just sad and depressed becuz of the S**T the world shoves in their face...you know they dont deserve it...but you people who LOVE to HATE emos, still shove S**T at them...and thats just mean.

i mean if you think about...theyre just sad and suicidal because of the people that hate them...

anyway...can we quit complaining about emos and pay attention to the frigin topic?...i really think HH has improved since their last album...their lyrics have gone more "punk Rock" than "Emo"...and the bassist has really improved (i dont know his name but i dont care)

[turd_samich]

Personally...I don't really care for HH, but I'm not going to go slit my wrists (no pun intended) if they happen to come on the radio. If you really consider yourself a musician or even an artist, you have to be able to accept the fact that there are always going to be people out there that aren't going to appreciate what you like or do.

As for --insert emo genre here-- in general...There is a point where you have to be able to get over something like a break up and get on with your life. I, as well as many of you I'm sure, have experienced some really f****d up s**t in my life, but I'm still here keepin on keepin on. All this BS about slitting your wrists...I'll bet that more than half of the people debaiting "cutting" don't have a clue about how to do it right. (I haven't, but I know what I'm talking about...dont ask)
I DO NOT condone suicide AT ALL, but If you say you're going to do it...THEN DO IT and get it over with. Otherwise, stop wasting everybody elses time and f*****g with their emotions. Because there is nothing more pathetic than a failed suicide attempt. If it didn't work...They didn't want to die (w/ some exceptions)

Woah...got a little off topic, sry. Getting back to HH overall id give them a MEH at best for musical talent, but still far better than (and worse than) many bands out there...As for SOAD...Radio/Video rocks

[guitar_d_A_V_E]

im gonna try to respond to eclypse's comment ... i dont really think the average person who likes emo cuts themselves and i dont think the average person that doesnt like emo hates emo kids ... what i think most people are bothered by is the fact that emo has gotten so big ... thats not a credit to the artists just to how stupid people are (my opinion) .... at least i can speak for myself when i say that i dont really hate the music i hate the fact that its everywhere .... you turn on mtv and its either rap/hip hop or emo ie: fall out boy or hawthorne heights ... i gave up hope for mtv a long time ago but now its gotten to where they will play emo when they say its a "rock special" that ****in pisses me off .... and now to the whole suicidal because people are mean thing ... the fact is in life people are gonna go after those that are vunerable ... nothing makes you more vunerable than being depressed and sad (i dont want to emo bash but some of the shit they were doesnt help them much either) and not standing up for yourself .... if someone is mean to you dont cry like a girl .. make sure they know not to do it again ... im not trying to sound macho im just telling you the truth about human nature ... and by being sad because the emo haters are mean to you just gives them more pleasure
.... oh yeah and someone said something about emotion in music and how theres nothing wrong with having emotion in your music ... ya thats true to a certain extent .... blues music has tons of emotion ... its all about having the blues and being down ... but some of the best blues artists (robert johnson, son house, charley patton) have tons of songs about things other than being sad or break ups ... it shows absolutely no creativity to sing about the same topic over and over again ... oh yeah somebody said they that they were moving more towards punk ... WTF!?! they dont even sound like other pop punk bands like blink 182 which its even a far stretch for me to call them punk ..... i thought you had to have peircings, tatoos, play loud, and be a rebel to call your music punk???

[ginger_snapd_ha]

I've only listened to six of the songs, but they are great.

[DTFatesWarningX]

I too am very sick of people making fun of "emos" per se. However, there is a very fine line between being emotionally messed up (which i am but not emo) and just pretending to be to fit in. For those of you who love HH, its likely because you can "relate" to them. However, again I must restate how EVERY SONG IS THE SAME! My friend got me "The Silence in Black and White" as a sick joke, and gave it a spin as a joke. I thought my repeat thing was stuck! And the screaming...half the time its not even words! So let us sum up shall we? Emo=not all bad, BUT HH=corporate deception of modern youth. Also, Simple Plan=just friggin retarded evil. Sorry, had to throw in something everyone could agree on.

[the_man101]

any14doomsday wrote:

That new song is god awful.

i like thier new song

[avenged_lover06]

ok i love "emo" music like story of the year and unwritten law and the used but hawthorne hieghts just seem like posers to me hahahahahah DTFatesWarningX i agree with everything your saying there is so much better screaming out there bleeding through but HH just sucks soo much IMO im sick to death of this whole emo shannagins i mean for gods sake it was swampie b4 emo and hardly any emos actuly cut just the realy screwed up ones
i myself have been labled EMO and it dosnt piss me off what pisses me off is the fact that modern society beleive ALL emos cut

[Friar Tuck]

Thing is...all these kids that dress up like freaks...are they gonna look like that in 10/20 years time? no, they're gonna grow up and think 'wtf was I doing'

[rbantricker]

and i hate the way ppl label music cant u just like watever, i love hawthorne heights new album, i also love mcflys newish album

[Green_Day_Rock]

Theres nothing wrong with listening to emo music, it's how you interperate the lyrics for yourself. I lsiten to emo so what? I don't walk around moaning about how crap life is (I know someone who does and it's really starting to piss me and his girlfriend off.) The best band I heard off Victory Records is June. Unlike HH, they don't write songs about bleeding to death or crap like that. I'd also like to clear up the emo streotypes:
1. There is nothing unusal about guys wearing eye liner. (as long as you don't wear eye shadow, lipstick or draw silly fake tears with it on your cheeks.)
2. The whole I want to die thing is funny for a while, but most of us do it a for a laugh. I have no intention of killing myself or anybody else for that matter (well, apart from the crazy lady and all her chavy children that live on my street)
3. Emo kids have feelings just like the rest of us.

Have a heart people, if we want to listen to our music, we'll do that, regardless of how crap it is in your opinion. HH are doing what they love, so let them. (They can't be depressed with those sales figures or the large cash sums they get.)

[SeattleJEM7]

omg, you guys, emo is nothing but a damn trend. haven't you noticed all of these new bands, with whiney singers that cry about losing their girlfriends and commiting suicide because they got pickles on their cheeseburgers? imo, emo is by far the worth genre of music i have ever heard. what's worst is the hardcore emo fans. dressing in all black, wearing girl pants, always frowning, poetry, and slitting their wrists the wrong way. WTF is wrong with these people!?!? how the hell does whiney songs make you want to slit your wrists? oh wait, nvm, because i'd probably want to do it if i got stuck listening to these guys for more than 30 mins. i just can't wait until something blows emo away or until people realize that these songs are nothing but crying over stupid shit. everyone has problems, but we don't go and write 20 songs about how we got dumped from a 2 week relationship. there are sooo many better locals bands out there, imo these guys never deserved to get a record deal, they should just have stayed as the usual crappy, emo/hardcore bands that all the cool kids listen to.

[Goodeyesniper24]

heh, this is a good conversation, i personally have nothing against emo music but when it gets into needles and cutting like the used like to do, then its just too much, 50% of hawthorne heights music is good i say, PS i like my tight girlish pants lol

[forsaknazrael]

I just wish a band with 3 guitars would use their instuments a little more appropriately. They really don't need 3, with the way they do their music. If i had a band like that, i would be busting out overlapping harmoniaes and leads all the freaking time.

[matthew123]

emo is gonna die out in the next few years

[$hab]

That's what you think...

[masterometal666]

Waterboy799 wrote:

kevinmawae25 wrote:

why does everyone in this fuccin community rank on emo music?... what the **** is wrong with putting alot of emotion in your lyrics?... i mean look into history, some of the greatest songs; Tears in Heaven, Sweet child o Mine, theyre all based on fuccin emotion... so these guys have different emotions, why is that a problem?


no no, sweet child was a song based on emotion yes, but listen to the rest of the album, its full on ****in rock, with emo, every single song is talking aout how crappy my life is or why did she dump me and things like that, you cant even compare sweet child o' mine to any emo song today because the lyrics in sweet child arent retarded, they're original, and axl doesnt cry when he sings them.

Cheers to you, smart one. The whole Emo genre has this whiny quality to their vocals. Axl sounds like a rocker, and the lyrics for SCOM are emotional, yes, but he's not talking about cutting himself, or how his life is so f*cked up or anything. And he doesn't have somone screaming in the background for the whole song. Some of you may not understand what I mean by this, but they suck at screaming to. That's friggin stupid. Screaming is supposed to sound angry, not whiny. And I believe it was claimed by metal in the first place. Emo is just a bunch of Posers and Pussies. That's what it all comes down to. And though I hate it, it's unlikely that it will die. So, I will be burning alot of cd's over the next decade, lol....

[xgrindcorex]

I love all the kiddies here who listen to shit like avenged sevenfold, metallica, trivium, korn, disturbed, etc. and have the nerve to say that emo sucks. I guarantee that everyone in this thread who says emo sucks, cannot even name one real emo band.

[masterometal666]

SeattleJEM7 wrote:

omg, you guys, emo is nothing but a damn trend. haven't you noticed all of these new bands, with whiney singers that cry about losing their girlfriends and commiting suicide because they got pickles on their cheeseburgers? imo, emo is by far the worth genre of music i have ever heard. what's worst is the hardcore emo fans. dressing in all black, wearing girl pants, always frowning, poetry, and slitting their wrists the wrong way. WTF is wrong with these people!?!? how the hell does whiney songs make you want to slit your wrists? oh wait, nvm, because i'd probably want to do it if i got stuck listening to these guys for more than 30 mins. i just can't wait until something blows emo away or until people realize that these songs are nothing but crying over stupid shit. everyone has problems, but we don't go and write 20 songs about how we got dumped from a 2 week relationship. there are sooo many better locals bands out there, imo these guys never deserved to get a record deal, they should just have stayed as the usual crappy, emo/hardcore bands that all the cool kids listen to.

And the congregation said, AMEN! I especially liked the pickles part lol.

[Zoso68]

all rock is emotional, hell all music is emotional, thats what music is, putting emotion into some kind of almost tangible existance...so i dont give them points for being innovative...their music is not technically challenging so no points for musicality...and no matter how much i hate a band as a fellow musician i give them some kind of credit because we all know how hard it is to write one good song, much less two albums worth, but hawthorne heights doesnt even write their own music so there 0/3 with me

[DanJacobsII]

definently better then their old cd.
and thats really saying something.
i do agree though, their lyrics arent the best.
they are all predictable.
and get really repetative.
but musically, jaw-dropping.

[battery777]

quit crying about how emo music is good music. its only popular because its shown on mtv

[Dynamitedance]

I personally dont like this band, but with this emo thing it seems like every new band that comes out that isnt really heavy or have an some jangly guitar riff is tagged as emo. But some of these bands like these with their whiny slit my wrists and piss my bed lyrics are just terrible and its kind of weird seeing your friends that were once happy people become all downbeat and emotional and in some cases doing what is cool and hurting themselves.I think that the fasion is messing alot of stuff up just because lyrics envolve stupid things doesnt mean they should do it. I think there are alot of other bands that envolve emotion that do it better and with it ending on a high note of getting over it without doing something stupid and vain.

[p0rkr1nd5]

Look emo does not exist. Anyone who pretends to be emo is just doing it because they think it's cool. No one throws anything in their face and the world is not out to get them. Do you see children in Africa whose parents have died from AIDS growing hair over their eyes or writing depressing songs? No you don't because they're being good people and fighting to survive and change things. If your life really is bad, you're not going to write sad songs, you're going to call a suicide hotline, get a therapist or call social services. People have been and are still trying to give all people a good life, and writing about how sad your life is doesn't help anyone. I agree music should be emotional. Some of the best songs of all time are, but there is a limit between writing about love, lost love etc. and how crappy your life is and how your sisters jeans don't fit anymore. Emo music has trapped modern rock music in a void of advacnment. There hasn't been an outstanding band or album since during the 90's pretty much. Feel free to write emotionally but don't try and make your life seem sad so you can get girls, its disgusting.

[p0rkr1nd5]

Oh yeah, something I forgot, you talk about how great this band and how musically amazing they are? A friend of mine was hanging out with this band in the recording studio and he spoke to the guitarist of HH during a conversation with a mutual friend about Pete Townshend of the Who, to which the HH guitarist replied who is Pete Townshend? Any guitar player that doesn't know Pete Townshend ISNT a musician

[randomkiller]

xgrindcorex wrote:

I love all the kiddies here who listen to shit like avenged sevenfold, metallica, trivium, korn, disturbed, etc. and have the nerve to say that emo sucks. I guarantee that everyone in this thread who says emo sucks, cannot even name one real emo band.

i can, i know what emo is, its not HH, HH is screamo or emocore, not emo, emo is slower and more winey. the guitarists arent that good, their lyrics are winey, but thats how they get through their lives, just like goth people, or many other routines, every does at least one thing the same way every single day, and emo kids are hated because they differ, i know im sounding like a therapist, but you guys hate on people cause they're not you, and they like certain bands(but green day does suck, dont deny it) and HH are also just some more emo kids, but they play music, and some people like them, and some dont..... HH KICKS ASS!!!

[Mascot-Rebel]

If you guys want to look at the lyrics off this go to
www.plyrics.com it has their second album.. go to artists under h click hawthorne heights and its there. ive only heard a couple songs off their new one. so far i like "Where I Can Stab Myself In The Ears"

[butcherer]

If 'HH' is not actually ACDC, then I won't be allowed to listen to it.

[genresrforposer]

What would James Hetfield say if you told him to his face ' I like Hawthorne Heights. ' He'd probably laugh and spit in your face. Then Kirk would shred you down.

as much as i hate emo music, i really dought that after "some kind of monster" those guys are the immature douchebags u want them 2 turn back into(altho their music was better wen they were). seek help.

[iAmVincent]

some people like hawthorne height, and others don't. who cares?

[StyxandStones]

Hawthorne Heights is by far one of the worst bands of all time. They are a disgrace to rock and roll. It's because of bands like these that people stop listening to rock music. Their lyrics include

slit my wrists and black my eyes

while screaming. In their music videos, they show dark scenes and show innocent children becoming grotesque elderly people. This might be understandable if it had a purpose. Meanwhile, the band is lead by a pretty-boy singer who doesn't understand of the screaming going on throughout the song. He gets away with holding an incredibly expensive guitar, trying to be cool. Hawthorne Heights is a perfect stereotype of what an

emo

band is.

[hobomonkey]

this is the stupidest ****cking thing i've ever heard...you can't start hating on a band or a type of music b.c YOU don't like it...god d*mn..if you don't like it don't listen to it...there's no reason to be raving on about it in arguments like this..

*Spam Deleted. review comments only.

[Tortiss]

HH should just hurry up and cut their wrists already. And Emo is a trend because SO many people are in it for the style and not the music. Now don't get me wrong, some emos might be in it cause they actrully like emo music...but i can garuntee its a small majority. As far as the Album goes...Still way too whiny. Good luck next CD.

[xgrindcorex]

randomkiller wrote:

xgrindcorex wrote:

I love all the kiddies here who listen to shit like avenged sevenfold, metallica, trivium, korn, disturbed, etc. and have the nerve to say that emo sucks. I guarantee that everyone in this thread who says emo sucks, cannot even name one real emo band.

i can, i know what emo is, its not HH, HH is screamo or emocore, not emo, emo is slower and more winey. the guitarists arent that good, their lyrics are winey, but thats how they get through their lives, just like goth people, or many other routines, every does at least one thing the same way every single day, and emo kids are hated because they differ, i know im sounding like a therapist, but you guys hate on people cause they're not you, and they like certain bands(but green day does suck, dont deny it) and HH are also just some more emo kids, but they play music, and some people like them, and some dont..... HH KICKS ASS!!!

HH isn't real emo. This goes for all of you, if you don't know what emo is, don't be an ignorant asshat and bash it, and say it sucks. Chances are your taste in music is terrible like everyone else in this godawful review.

*spam deleted. HH and review comments only. no emo diatribes.

[avenged_lover06]

xgrindcorex wrote:

randomkiller wrote:

xgrindcorex wrote:

I love all the kiddies here who listen to shit like avenged sevenfold, metallica, trivium, korn, disturbed, etc. and have the nerve to say that emo sucks. I guarantee that everyone in this thread who says emo sucks, cannot even name one real emo band.

i can, i know what emo is, its not HH, HH is screamo or emocore, not emo, emo is slower and more winey. the guitarists arent that good, their lyrics are winey, but thats how they get through their lives, just like goth people, or many other routines, every does at least one thing the same way every single day, and emo kids are hated because they differ, i know im sounding like a therapist, but you guys hate on people cause they're not you, and they like certain bands(but green day does suck, dont deny it) and HH are also just some more emo kids, but they play music, and some people like them, and some dont..... HH KICKS ASS!!!

HH isn't real emo. This goes for all of you, if you don't know what emo is, don't be an ignorant asshat and bash it, and say it sucks. Chances are your taste in music is terrible like everyone else in this godawful review.

real emo is and always will be things like rites of spring and dashboard confessonal ok good now thats setteled i would like to add that there is better music then HH
personaly i believe HH are no better then simple plan
just a boy band with guitars they try to scream but fail miserably

Garrett52789 wrote:

When people publicize lyrics like "Cut my wrists and black my eyes", I find myself asking....myself....."Why dont these depressed little ... kill themselves and save the rest of us the downs of their life." Of course they won't though, because they really aren't depressed due to the fact that they travel the world playing music and making thousands of dollars for doing it.

QUOTE EDITED. NO FLAMING.

[bobbynogo]

HA! I love the commercial for the cd. The singer/guitarist is kinda doing a funny dance type thing.

[greenday_alk3]

HH is the absolute worst band Ive ever heard in my entire life. If anyone else here watches Fuse then odds are you've seen the commercials for their new album several hundred times since January. They show that commercial AT LEAST 30 times a day. OK I KNOW YOU HAVE A NEW CD! Im still not buying it just cause they're throwing it in my face. That would be the same as buying monkey feces at the zoo just cause the cute monkeys throw it at you. Only monkey feces has a purpose, I cant say the same for HH.

[ooblah]

THANK YOU! hawthorn heights are a no talent money band that just plays what MTV wants to hear.

what a way to ruin the radio.

and what style?? LOL im serious im getting sick and tired of these great bands suffering because of these teenage girls who cry into a mic and get paid for it. Learn something other than a bar chord for christ sake.

[xCompanyCalls]

yeah RockYourFace, VERY well put.
spoken like a prophet.
their music is god awful and so are their music videos.
they just plain suck.
if you have three guitarist in your band you should have wicked solos and harmonizing riffs/parts.
not just power chords for the whole song.
its ridiculous.
and oh my god have you seen the new music video?
i put it on mute so i can just watch the ****ers "rock out" the singers little sway up and down is hilarious.
i don't know how many of you get guitar world magizine but a few months back there was an article about "the album that changed my life" all these guitarist are doing metallica, the yardbirds, acdc, megadeth, and here comes the hawthorn heights singer with, JIMMY EAT WORLD.
they suck.
i hope they go cut their wrist and die,
die! die! die!

[Asi@nConnection]

I never minded emo music. There are allot of all right emo or hardcore bands out there. Writing about emotion in music isn't bad either. Anyone who says otherwise should listen to The Wall (one of the greatest albums of all time). If anyone want's to say Pink Floyd are wimpy you can chew your hands off for all I care. That said, I simply can?t stand Hawthorn Heights. The all singers' voices sound terrible and the three guitars are completely unnecessary. They would be fine if they had one good guitar player and one good vocalist. I can't fathom how on earth Hawthorn Heights got so popular. Alexisonfire, Funeral for a Friend and Stutterfly are all infinitely better than Hawthorn Heights in every conceivable sense. Hate Hawthorn Heights, not emotion or emo music.

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[genresrforposer]

oops sorry. clicked on wrong thing.

neway, while these guys r musically retarted but economical genuises.

they've even invented a formula: simple power chords+ whiny lyrics and vocals + appeal to 13 yr old naive girls+ haircuts(actually that goes along w/ 13 yr old girl appeal)- work - talent - lyrics that r concerned w/ problems outside of one's own personal problems(altho slipknot n sum nu metal bands r guilty of this too)+ lots of money for lil work = damn those emo genuises!

[theMASSdisgrace]

gosh i hate emo. i like punkers. cuz they beat up the emo kids.
=]

HH is sad... 'nuff said

[jaymyvendetta]

whey
Gotta love all these mis-informed comments.
And all the people convinced they can change peoples minds.

Bottom line is 90% of these posts are mis-informed or just idiotic.

Oh well.
A few side notes;
Bullet For My Valentine aren't emo. Please stop labeling every popular band as emo. BFMV aren't even that good. Pop-Metal in my opinion. Still at least they convinced a few people to get into metal. It's like a gateway band i guess.

Every die hard punk fan that hates emo NEEDS to listen to Husker Du. Zen Arcade is incredible.

HH lyrics are cliché but not to the point where it becoes unlistenable, or even to the point that it detracts from the song.

They aren't the most complicated songs but it's not just powerchoords like a lot of people have said.

Yes Brand New are lyrical geniuses.

And for the love of god, as musicians, please listen to more than one genre. Even if you don't like it. If all you listen to is metal and you branch out and listen to some emo, punk, blues, jazz, anything at all and you'll improve tenfold.
Just for example, if you're a guitarist, randomly find a song you won't like like Candle in the Wind. Sit there and figure out the chords (or if you're lazy look it up).

Doodle over the top of it.
It's a really good exercise.

[jaymyvendetta]

bambi_slaughter wrote:

man i cant stand this stuff..theres nothing wrong with a little emo here and there..but F***! this better all die down soon...

It is dying down. The Scene kids are listening to bands like The Black Dahlia Murder now.

They won't go away completely though. And for a good reason. There are still a lot of people like me that like music like this.

[Pidgequin]

HH is the epitimy of whiny, can't get a girlfriend, always sing about breaking up, emo, crap. In the great words of iamtheguitarpro "Emo needs to die. nuff said."

[Kronan]

I just got some pocket money and i'm definately buying this CD on Tuesday. I've had it amrked since their DVD "This is Who We Are" came out. That DVD had new songs that were mind boggling, and those are all on this new CD. Thanx for the review, its encouraged me to buy this album even more.

[Saintsniper]

^ Now why couldn't the rest of the posts make sense like that? If you don't like HH or "emo" music, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HERE?! Go and read something more suitable to your tastes, and leave the people who like this music alone. Stop the non-sense.

If you listen to The Black Dahlia Murder, Silverstein, 'Tallica, or, I dunno, The Postal Service even, GO THERE. Kill the stupidity by straying off topic.

Anyways, "The Silence in Black and White" wasn't a bad album, but I've heard "This Is Who We Are" and "Saying Sorry" on PureVolume. I'm definitely gonna get this CD, and see if it's really that much better than the first.

[Saintsniper]

EDIT: Kill the stupidity by NOT straying off topic.

[shaneisraw]

I actually like the new song, it's the new video that is god awful.....H.H. are all dressed up in white with red crosses on them, like nurses, playing with not a whole lot of energy.....then there are these VERY ugly looking women in too much make up.....then the traditional emo stuff: kids playing doctor, make out scene, blah blah blah.....god i hate that video

[Serfius]

speirs13 wrote:

okay, lets take a time out. ALL MUSIC IS EMOTIONAL. okay now that thats out of the way, hawthorne heights is pop punk with an annoying guy screaming once in awhile. Theyre just like every other emo/punk.pop punk/whatever the **** you want to call it. they're bad. anyone who read edgar allen poe in high school can write songs like theirs. Its music that appeals to 14 yr old girls who just broke up with their boyfriend, or 14 yr old dudes who are pussies. and i happen to be huge fans of death cab and brand new, calling them both emo is a HUGEEEE understatement. sure brand new's "your favorite weapon" was pop-punkish, but look where theyve gone from there. hawthore heights is atrocious, and so is that whole genre.

Don't insult Edgar Allen Poe.

[i<3soad]

BrokenWingman wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, Hawthorne Heights would be better if they were so emo with their lyrics. Musically not bad at all. But good god, their lyrics are retarded.

every one has different tastes on music, personally i like EMO music cuz it helps me deal with my own emotions.. so stop going against others tastes in music! every single kind of music has something hidden that makes it amazing.. yes i must say even rap has good, even though personally i don't like it. hope i got my point across!

*anti spam check*

[HH_Emo_666]

okk .. i love hh .. id rate the cd a 9/10 .. but for all u haters .. dont even bother to even comment on this if u hate it so much .. comment on the taste of music u like

[DTFatesWarningX]

just a side note....i love how theMASSdisgrace said "i love when punkers beat up emo people" when he doesnt realize its the SAME MUSIC! ITS POWERCHORDS! POOOWEEER CHOOORDS!! And honestly im sick of this "emo" epidemic...its like a witch hunt or something. and its ruining people's opinions of music too. My friend HATES tmv NOT because of the vocals, but because they USED to be At the Drive in! they sound NOTHING similar, the lyrics arent emo at all, but he still wont listen to them, just cuz that label. And w/ TMV i've yet to see omar use a single power chord more than twice in a row PER SONG

[DTFatesWarningX]

btw haha just listening to The Wall...yes, the movie was f***ed up, but the whole premise is that he builds an EMOtional wall around himself and shuts out the world. ridiculously depressing, and another example of how pre-emo music still had emotion. In fact, i hate music that has lyrics that are "dio-esque" like about half of the metal bands out today. You all may bash Metallica, but if you think about it, a lot of their music has emotion in it. Dark, dark emotion. Just think of "one" for example. I mean "Fade to Black" is about friggin suicide. Eh, i guess its just me. Another thing, why do people hate emo people? They dont seem to get that hating someone, who's already depressed, is NOT going to make the situation better. Seriously, not saying that im going to, but im sure that somewhere i could get an angry mob to go around, killing emo people, if i had time. But i dont. And im not that mean.

[boyan89]

THIS CD RULES!!!SCREW AlL OF U dat hate it if they aenrt emo then how come they scream so if u hate Hawthorne Heights wtf is the point of comng here and writing s*** bout dem if u dont like the band then DONT WRITE CRAP BOUT Dem anywas this cd ruled like crazy the guitars have improved and bass and possibly the drums SO ONCE AGAIN FU IF U HATE HH DONT COME HERE AND WRITE CRAP
for all u guys that like HH rock on

[schroederc]

ok if you dont like this band then get the f off their review page. i personally love HH i can relate to their songs easily. i gotta get me that new cd.

[Garrett52789]

were not gonna get off, were just say more mean things. If you (HH) spend time recording songs and albums about killing yourself and singing about how sad you are, then sell them for millions of dollars, how sad could you be? Emo is stupid, if your depressed, go to a doctor, not your local CD shop. Damn noobs!

[boyan89]

i agree with schroederc cuz i have the cd and it is amazing so f off and stop writing shit like honestly this cd has amazing guitar solos and for those of u who say hh should stop complaining they aernt complaining bout their lives i have the reissued cd of The Silence In Black And White and it says that Cut My wrists and black my eyes is a figure of speech so in their songs they aernt complainging u motherf***

[boyan89]

Garrett52789 wrote:gmdsngnmdsgndsgdsng
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were not gonna get off, were just say more mean things. If you (HH) spend time recording songs and albums about killing yourself and singing about how sad you are, then sell them for millions of dollars, how sad could you be? Emo is stupid, if your depressed, go to a doctor, not your local CD shop. Damn noobs!

[inbloom93]

ok....emo isnt a ****ing trend or anything its music. kids that think they are 'emo' are really not gothic enough to be goths or anything, they are just one step below transvesdeit. emo isnt a ****ing fashion statement. get that into your heads. its MUSIC. EMOTIONAL PUNK=EMO. DURDURDUR!!! i hate it when people like most of you who left comments think that emo is some kid dressed in tight jeans and wears mascara where the boys look like girls and the girls look like dikes. but seriously...come on. emo is music. there. i think i made my point. now, on what ive heard from my freind on the album, he said that this album was really good, and that the best song (in his opinion) was Where Can I Stab Myslef In The Ears (is that the title) and he saids its their best album soim gonna get it and the reviews are good too.only one bad review. thats good news. HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS ROCKS!

[schroederc]

boyan89 i just got the album it is so awesome. dude sweet. thats all i have to say about it. and inboom93 i am not a goth i am not a goth wannabe i am a hard core punk lover so you can shut up about the fashion statement becuz all of us arent that weird

[inbloom93]

all i said was that im sick of people turning emo music into a trend and that i hate it went people rip on the music. why dont you just mind your own buissness. why do you people have to come here. its just stupid. anyway, ya, im gonna get this, looks good.

[boyan89]

i know eh schroederc this cd is amazing and the guitars wow

[xXbleed4meXx]

this cd was terrible...i thought the songs would be better, but this sounds like a debut album.

[schroederc]

quit knockin the album. if you didnt like it go find another band to listen to.

[boyan89]

shut up xxbleed4mexx this album is better

[xXbleed4meXx]

dude, this is a pretty terrible album...i've tried to like it, ive listened to it like at least 3 times all the way through...its just terrible. but yaknow thats an opinion, everybody's got one.

[ACDC4Life]

i wasn't really feeling the silence in black and white but this cd is killing the silence... Every song on this album is great especially saying sorry.

[ACDC4Life]

hey xxbleed4mexx if u hate it so much why have u listened to it 3 times straight through

[Modernmusich8er]

This band, along with every other band out right now, has no talent and it pisses me off as a serious guitarist that these guy's are rich even though they suck at every instrument they play. I consider myself a good guitarist(people i don't even know tell me i should be famous) but i'm not famous, these guy's are, and they suck. I'm not knocking on the fans of this band, you're entitliled to your own opinion, i'm knocking on this shitty band that has no reason to be famous because they are so untalented.

[dealwithitdude]

okay i'm gonna leave my opinion on the album out of this all...
so Modernmusich8er you hate the band. and reading your posts i guess the reason why you don't like them seems to be jealousy because you think you should be in their place because you're better. okay, i don't care...could even be. i don't know.
but you obviously can't write an at least more or less objective review about the quality of the music so just shut up.

Maggotkiller wrote:
People who listen to emo*****

Warning. spam, flaming deleted.

[JesusOfSbrbia]

Hawthorne Heights is one of those bands that never should have made it to a record label, never should have been on the radio or MTV, for the simple fact that they have no talent at all. They're completely and totally unoriginal in everthing they do. The lead singer can't sing worth a crap, the backup singer with his pointless screaming ticks me off, the songwriting is, as I said before, totally unoriginal and talentless, the drummer sucks, the guitarist(s) suck (overdubbing tons of guitar tracks just makes their crappy playing sound worse) and I overall hate this band, and almost everyone who listens to them. They're the embodiment of everything that has destryoed music in the post-grunge, post-1994 modern rock scene. I hope they die in a fire.

[Modernmusich8er]

dealwithitdude wrote:

okay i'm gonna leave my opinion on the album out of this all...
so Modernmusich8er you hate the band. and reading your posts i guess the reason why you don't like them seems to be jealousy because you think you should be in their place because you're better. okay, i don't care...could even be. i don't know.
but you obviously can't write an at least more or less objective review about the quality of the music so just shut up.

at least admit that they can't play for a shit and almost anyone can pick up a guitar or jump on a drum set and be as good as them in a month or 2. Keep in mind they are supposed to be PROFESSIONAL MUSICIANS and playing at a low level pisses me off. I'll probably never be famous but i'll still fight to make it a requirement to be good at what you do in this industry.

[Bored_2_Death]

i personally dont like emo music but if the song is good the who gives a ****??? if u dont like it then ok. but u dont have 2 say that emo music is full of shit. if u want 2 talk about music thats full of shit then talk about rap or hip-hop

[Modernmusich8er]

Bored_2_Death wrote:

i personally dont like emo music but if the song is good then who gives a ****??? if u dont like it then ok. but u dont have 2 say that emo music is full of shit. if u want 2 talk about music thats full of shit then talk about rap or hip-hop

rap os freakin stupid also

[Modernmusich8er]

wow, it's been a while since someomones posted something on here telling me how hated I am.

[mullenmetal]

hawthorne heights are not good december sounds like something the backstreet boys would sing the singing is so boring the only good song is light sleeper and the guitars are rather shit but you should'nt rant on them for not been good at playing because they ain't sayin they are it is sad though that talent is'nt very apealling a catchy chorus gets the average person captivated and it ashow hos fickle people are you should listen to real bands like Metallica Trivium Maiden A7X Slayer Pantera Guns and Roses Bullet Megadeth Dragonforce

[mullenmetal]

a shame how fickle people are*

[mullenmetal]

"It is a freaking masterpiece."

sad fickle little person it saddens me that you think this

[Modernmusich8er]

mullenmetal wrote:

"It is a freaking masterpiece."

sad fickle little person it saddens me that you think this

I really like you r point of view, this band sucks

[Kiotaka]

(starts singing) "can you feel the love tonight?"

[Kiotaka]

Another forum... more flaming... sigh... what has UG come to?

[Kiotaka]

Personally I don't like HH, but I don't go around flaming them... you guys need to grow up, you give the UG a bad name

[Modernmusich8er]

I at least back up my opinion, no matter how harsh it is. That's ok.

[boyan89]

k what the hell stop dissing Hawthorne Heights Modernmusich8er do u even have the album?????> why the hell would u do a crappy review and do u even own the album

[Modernmusich8er]

I listened to it at my friends house, and I hated it. So I let people know

[boyan89]

okay den i dont blame u for not liking Hawthorne Heights i mean there is a lot of bands better but their still good so i dont rlly care if u dont like em if u like classic rock then im fine too like Guns N Roses AC/DC shit like that

[mullenmetal]

boyan89 :
okay den i dont blame u for not liking Hawthorne Heights i mean there is a lot of bands better but their still good so i dont rlly care if u dont like em if u like classic rock then im fine too like Guns N Roses AC/DC shit like that


thats the most pointless paragraph i have seen posted on this site

[boyan89]

i like Hawthorne Heghts

[boyan89]

what i meant to say is i dont blame him for not liking HH if he doesnt then i dont rlly care cuz i do but still he shouldnt go badmouthing them for no apparent reason

[hobo467]

Too many metal kids and stoners (classic rock lovers, sorry) blast every pop, punk and emo band that ever comes out. Let me be the first to offer you a warm glass of shut the hell up. No one wants to hear your bitching about how much emo sucks. I don't go blasting Zeppelin every second of my life even though I hate them. Stop whining, dammit.

[Modernmusich8er]

hobo467 wrote:

Too many metal kids and stoners (classic rock lovers, sorry) blast every pop, punk and emo band that ever comes out. Let me be the first to offer you a warm glass of shut the hell up. No one wants to hear your bitching about how much emo sucks. I don't go blasting Zeppelin every second of my life even though I hate them. Stop whining, dammit.

You just stereotyped classic rock fans in a very ignorant way. I get the impression that you listen to emo (like HH) so I guess that automatically have to cut your wrists and cry in your pillow. Don't stereotype, it's dumb! Another reason you can't bash on Zeppelin is because so few people agree with you and will get torn apart by every real musician on this site.

[NirvanaFan101]

Really good c.d. - probably one of the best I have. Go buy it now if you like Ohio is for Lovers or Saying Sorry!

[BrotherThump]

i dont get it
they have three guitars and they still suck

[Modernmusich8er]

Me neither

[TheRattle§nake]

I likes their first Cd better but this one is good also.

[boyan89]

hey Modernmusich8er classic rock has way better guitar than this but shmeh its pretty good

[xXbleed4meXx]

dude classic rock fans are the worst. you can basically stereotype them all as elitist music nazis that listen to stone age era music and care more about whats already happened as opposed to whats happening now. and then they criticize modern bands for not being led zepplin or the doors: hello, no band is ever going to parallel any classic rock band in any shape or form, so dont even go there. classic rock fans totally annoy me, especially the ac/dc, led zep, and rolling stones fans. theyre the worst ones. at least the doors' fans are too stoned to know how to make me mad.

[BrotherThump]

hey you forgot jimi hendrix, black sabbath, cream fans to name a few
**** you you wrist slittin steryotypin bastard

[Modernmusich8er]

well with bands like Jet, The Darkness, and Wolfmother starting to bring back the classic sound I might be abl to enjoy new music. Hopefully more bands like that come around and make people realize the greatness of REAL rock n roll.

[punkrockpirate]

tgbass100 wrote:

i agree with kevinmawae25. If there werent emotion in music, it WOULDNT EVEN BE GOOD! I say more things should be emo. Like my grass!That way it would cut itself!

^^ See, that's what people are making fun of and mad about when we say "emo". Don't be stupid enough to think we just hate "emotion in music". You're right, the best music has emotion to it, and it all should. But the whole emo (the stereotypical emo, the fad form of emo) thing like cutting yourself and the black hair and the devil's locks and whatever. Come on, people. Also, Hawthorne Heights are just terrible. Boring and overproduced, manufactured pop-punk/emo/whatever, its just bad. My two cents.

[irockonguitar]

IF YOU DONT LIKE EMO MUSIC, THEN DONT FU***** BUY THIS ALBUM!!!!!

IT FU**ING RULES BUT I HATE SEEING ALL THESE BAD REVEIWS ON IT, THEY PROBALLY DONT EVEN HAVE THE CD!!

HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS ARE PUR EMO, PURE EMO IS GOOD, ANY EMO IS GOOD. EMOTIONAL LYRICS MEAN EVERYTHING.

[boyan89]

dont slit ur wrists its a bad thing 2 do like what the hell u dont have a miserable life

[Godderz_24]

haha pure emo... you noob. emo was dead long ago buddy.

[Green_Day_Rock]

A bit too cliche for me.

[jasonkan]

emo is so bAAd.
this is so bAAd an emo album.
settled.

[jasonkan]

...oh and 2 bAAds dont equal a gOOd

[fret13]

i like this cd but it was not as good as the first one and yeah light sleeper is a heaping load of horse crap and slitting wrists is wierd but i think hawthorne heights rules

[urmom321]

i wish my grass was emo so it would cut itself o ya i like this this albulm but the other one is awsome

[urmom321]

emo people shouldmdie but i admit their music kicks ass

[urmom321]

this band sucks my fat c o c k live

[fret13]

lol on the first and third coment urmom321

[toolfan_121]

The singer can't sing. They can kiss my big hairy ass.

[xQuitEveryGamex]

I bought their first CD and was so amazed. I liked every song on it! Which is not usual for me. So I knew I had to go out and get this one. When I got it I was amazed once again at their great sound. I liked every song! Great bamd.

hobo467 wrote:

Too many metal kids and stoners (classic rock lovers, sorry) blast every pop, punk and emo band that ever comes out. Let me be the first to offer you a warm glass of shut the hell up. No one wants to hear your bitching about how much emo sucks. I don't go blasting Zeppelin every second of my life even though I hate them. Stop whining, dammit.

Modernmusich8er :

You just stereotyped classic rock fans in a very ignorant way. I get the impression that you listen to emo (like HH) so I guess that automatically have to cut your wrists and cry in your pillow. Don't stereotype, it's dumb! Another reason you can't bash on Zeppelin is because so few people agree with you and will get torn apart by every real musician on this site.

I agree with hobo. It IS true that most classic rock listeners along with just about every other type of rock listeners have a fetish for bitching about emo. I really believe the idea of "if you don't like it don't listen to it" would do you some good.

[Gibson_SG_uzr55]

Cool. A guitar solo on Breathing Sequence. It's about time, I love it when newer bands solo b/c it shows how talented thier guitarists are. And Micah Carli is preety damn talented,

[Vin2254]

Killswitch31 wrote:

I dont really care for Emo music, its the kids that try to act Emo, by cutting their wrists, and wearing all this black makeup, that I have a problem with.

Hawthorne Heights has been a successful band lately, and I respect that. I still dont like their music, but I respect them by drawing a lot of fans to their concerts. But its there fans that annoy the hell out of me.

They think that by cutting their wrists, and dressing up like Goths, and wearing all this makeup, is going to earn them some respect, when its gonna earn them a hard punch in the face.

We have some Emo/Goth kids at our school, that:
1. Smoke drugs
2. Cut their wrists
3. Try to sell drugs to other kids
4. Are just plain annoying

I mean, when you gets kids that are cutting their wrists, having suicidal thoughts, and doing drugs/trying to sell them to kids, they have problems. They also act like little freaks anytime you try to talk to them.

Also, about S.O.A.D., I used to like them. When I heard Aeriels, I fell in love with them. I love their Toxicity album, but then when Hypnotize & Mezermise came out, I lost alot of respect for them.

Most of their lyrics can get annoying, and confusing on what their saying. Also, its the repetitive notes that they sing for 6-10 words at a time that just drives me crazy.

As for their actual playing, I think they have talent, but there are waaay better bands out their.

I like to listen to some Dream Theater, Killswitch Engage, Cradle Of Filth, Arch Enemy, and Guns N' Roses.

Now those bands have talent!

Anyway, HH has done good in the past years, as being Emo/Screamo, but stop having little freak fans.

You are incredibly ignorant. By calling them freaks or goths your just making the problem worse. Why dont you try talking to them about their problems and why they act like they do. Oh and I NEVER thought I would see the day when a Cradle Of Filth fan complained about kids wearing black makeup.

[xQuitEveryGamex]

Seriously. Killswitch, lol, I don't even know what to say about that...except that it's pretty stupid.

[Guitarist-82]

Hawthorne Heights is ****ing amazing and I don't giva a shit what anyone says. I'm more of a HH fan than any of you poser ****s out there I know just about everything there is to know about HH and I will continue to feel the same way I do despite any of these fags Saying Shit about Hawthorne Heights.

[fret13]

i got to see them at the fusion tour and they werent all that great, just very very loud. but at least they did better than the Sleeping.

[skatebrdr2k1]

It seems to me that most of the people dissing hawthorne heights have just heard "ohio is for lovers" first of all, before judging, howabout you actually listen to something other than that. second, why the hell are you in here if you dont like them? go somewhere else. i saw them at the nintendo fusion tour and they were amazing, and im not really a hawthorne heights fan

[musiclover.6]

dude.
all you people saying that they go way over board with the emo crap and that they cant get a girlfriend?. you guys are pretty ****in stupied.
first of all they are a "emo" band.
what the **** are they suppose to write about they dont write that shit all these rappers writting about grillz?
wtf?
and jt, casey, and eron have girlfriends.
there songs are about there life back in the past and what a typical boy or girl is going threw life.
problems with feelings and emotions we go threw.
it ****in happens to you.
all you people that are dissing the.
you went threw the same thing at one point of your life.
and if you are so good at playing music and writting songs.
since you think they suck why dont you get your ass off the computer and do something?
dont like them?
DONT SAY ANYTHING
you stupied ****s.
diss a band?
okay does not make you anymore if a person
it just labels you as a ass hole.
YAY!! for you. i am so happy for you.

OTHER THEN THAT.

you guys rock! =]

[orion284]

musiclover.6 wrote:

dude.
all you people saying that they go way over board with the emo crap and that they cant get a girlfriend?. you guys are pretty ****in stupied.
first of all they are a "emo" band.
what the **** are they suppose to write about they dont write that shit all these rappers writting about grillz?
wtf?
and jt, casey, and eron have girlfriends.
there songs are about there life back in the past and what a typical boy or girl is going threw life.
problems with feelings and emotions we go threw.
it ****in happens to you.
all you people that are dissing the.
you went threw the same thing at one point of your life.
and if you are so good at playing music and writting songs.
since you think they suck why dont you get your ass off the computer and do something?
dont like them?
DONT SAY ANYTHING
you stupied ****s.
diss a band?
okay does not make you anymore if a person
it just labels you as a ass hole.
YAY!! for you. i am so happy for you.

OTHER THEN THAT.

you guys rock! =]

very true.

[Guitarist-82]

musicover.6 what the **** is up its BrockRichards from the Hawthorne Forums.

[boyan89]

the band sucks i swear i used to like them but then i heard this album again and it was pure emo!!it got stolen and im sitting here do nothing hooray hurrah actually both of them got stolen!!i listen to real music now with solos which is mostly metal!!

[boyan89]

I really love Silverstein but these guys holy shit they suck!!!

[MEmmett]

Musich8er's review really is poor. It wasn't a review, it was just a slagging off. This is bad but classic rock is worse, absolutely god awful.

[cyclonus78]

This aint an album, its a cd of whining. Saying Sorry is among one of the lamest songs on earth regarding the lyrics and it made me nearly scream in anger at the TV upon hearing that chorus while I was trying to do some work. I have had it with Emo style music and I wish garbage like this would just fade out already cause its getting beyond a joke

[Hawthorne_chic]

Okay, you guys just dont understand what the guys in HH has gone through. You guys have no idea what it's like to have that type of pain in you life.Have you ever been in a long distance with somone you were absouteley in love with. Not just "oh yea I love you" but real love! I guess not. There are some things in their songs that would sound like something else if you haven't been in their situation before. You have to really listen to the lyrics. Those guys saved my life. Before i thought I was alone in feeling certain ways about things but then i listened to a few of their songs and I'm hooked, I know I'm not alone now!!

[BlackThirdEye]

Please, these guys suck major wang. If this is an improvement over their last album, then what'd they do? Just mumble and moan through the last one? It's the same line over..And over...And over..and over..And over...And over again, it's time to say goodbye HH, let me slit your throat and black your eyes, that way we can all fall asleep and forget that this nightmare ever occured!

[boyan89]

i agree with BlackThirdEye and mostly Modernmusich8er because HH have no talent whatssover im sorry im just stating my opinion! nice job on the review Modernmusic8er it was amazing! i think Hawhtorne Heights shoudl stop being posers and find something to do with their lifes!

[boyan89]

um Hawthorne Chick who cares they should make some real music and stop whining!

[SnowMan1]

If these guys miss their girlfriends so much and and write shit because they want them why dont they stop making crappy music and go back to them, find another job.

[SnowMan1]

The reason some people write shit about this band is because more or less true. Their needs to be people who hates what ever for every band. Even Zeppelin and Queen.
(maby not zeppelin)

[boyan89]

im actually surprised ppl hate Led Zeppelin and I agreee with SnowMan1!

[Something-Cool4]

avenged_lover06 :
xgrindcorex wrote:

randomkiller wrote:

xgrindcorex wrote:

I love all the kiddies here who listen to shit like avenged sevenfold, metallica, trivium, korn, disturbed, etc. and have the nerve to say that emo sucks. I guarantee that everyone in this thread who says emo sucks, cannot even name one real emo band.

i can, i know what emo is, its not HH, HH is screamo or emocore, not emo, emo is slower and more winey. the guitarists arent that good, their lyrics are winey, but thats how they get through their lives, just like goth people, or many other routines, every does at least one thing the same way every single day, and emo kids are hated because they differ, i know im sounding like a therapist, but you guys hate on people cause they're not you, and they like certain bands(but green day does suck, dont deny it) and HH are also just some more emo kids, but they play music, and some people like them, and some dont..... HH KICKS ASS!!!

HH isn't real emo. This goes for all of you, if you don't know what emo is, don't be an ignorant asshat and bash it, and say it sucks. Chances are your taste in music is terrible like everyone else in this godawful review.

I love A7X, and all the other bands that u quoted and i agree. HH isn't really emo their kinda scene. They look and try to sound emo but the people aren't emo at all.

[lovelikerain]

hawthorne_chic is right you can't just think of the lyrics as just a bunch of words you gotta think of what there saying, and kevin watever your name is was right without emotion music would suck, thats why i'm a huge emo-rock fan, (o and Tbass 100 lol on the grass pun)

[lovelikerain]

mathew123 is wrong emo isn't gona die out it just got found in the next 2-4 years its all that will be heard, and i hope so its ausome!

[lovelikerain]

i just started listening to hawthorne heights in the past year and when i hear there first song i fell in love, niki fm and dead in the water are frickin' unbeleiveable!!!!!

[lovelikerain]

i just started listening to hawthorne heights in the past year and when i heard there first song i fell in love, niki fm and dead in the water are frickin' unbeleiveable!!!!!

[lovelikerain]

i agree with redrumydoolb with the fact that brand new is good, in fact there toatly wicked there like in my top 5, but emotionly HH wipes the floor with 'em

P.S. i didn't mean to double post my last comment

[I am punk "BF"]

LPIndin wrote:

Hawthorne Heights screamer sounds like he's throwing up into the mic. If you guys want a good screamo/metalcore band its not these guys. It Bullet For My Valentine. They are seriously so good. Plus id like to see HH's guitarists pull off some of the riffs that BFMV do

I agree with you. He is an amazing guitar player but not a good screamer. But he is very good at guitar

[Metallica Fan08]

Why don't these emo bastards just kill themselves and help save music and our ears. Fuck shitty music and **** censors too, they ****ing suck.

[KCibanez]

Their guitarist/screamer died. That is so sad. RIP Casey!!

[lovelikerain]

i know thats so sad! i can't possibly immagine, the loss there going through right now.I almost cried when i found out about his death r.i.p. casey