Cookie_Dog
: Sadly, it does seem that the 70's - era southern rock sound is on it's way out/deep underground. Some bands are keeping it around though.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 08:37 am / quote |
Phycopath09
: im actually disappointed. i mean half of the band died in a plane crash. they should have stopped their. this isnt Lynyrd skynyrd, even though it's the name of the bandPOSTED: 10/13/2009 - 08:47 am / quote |
Baboulai
: That ain't no Skynyrd.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 08:51 am / quote |
theogonia777
: | It’s been about 22 years since Ronnie Van Zant’s passing in an airplane crash, |
does anyone else notice what's wrong with this? POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 10:03 am / quote |
alkalineweeman
: theogonia777 wrote:
It’s been about 22 years since Ronnie Van Zant’s passing in an airplane crash,
does anyone else notice what's wrong with this? |
Yeah, shouldn't that be 32 years?
Anyway, i've only heard one song from this album (the title track) and it imediatly alienates me from this album as i refuse to support a band who hold these beleifs by spending money on thier album and in turn giving them an output for said beleifs, the lyrics are not only completely illinformed
"God and guns
Keep us strong
That's what this country
Was founded on "
The vast majority of the founding fathers were not Christians as assumed here.
(Source: http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html)
but completely cheesy and i cannot take them seriously.
Then again maybe my problem is i am taking it too seriously, i'll listen to the album if i can so for free but i wont be supporting the band with my money.
Good review though besides that one mistake on the years as pointed out.
POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 10:16 am / quote |
jonnyharris1
: very wel written alkalineweeman. As a melody i quite like that song, but as with you I find the lyrics very ignorant and rediculous.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 11:33 am / quote |
Randaman
: alkalineweeman wrote:
theogonia777 wrote:
It’s been about 22 years since Ronnie Van Zant’s passing in an airplane crash,
does anyone else notice what's wrong with this?
Yeah, shouldn't that be 32 years?
Anyway, i've only heard one song from this album (the title track) and it imediatly alienates me from this album as i refuse to support a band who hold these beleifs by spending money on thier album and in turn giving them an output for said beleifs, the lyrics are not only completely illinformed
"God and guns
Keep us strong
That's what this country
Was founded on "
The vast majority of the founding fathers were not Christians as assumed here.
(Source: http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html)
but completely cheesy and i cannot take them seriously.
Then again maybe my problem is i am taking it too seriously, i'll listen to the album if i can so for free but i wont be supporting the band with my money.
Good review though besides that one mistake on the years as pointed out.
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Off Wiki: The title of the album (and its title track) is a reference to a speech Barack Obama gave in San Francisco deriding small town America for clinging to their “God and Guns”.[3]POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 11:47 am / quote |
LeperMessiah_
: theogonia777 wrote:
It’s been about 22 years since Ronnie Van Zant’s passing in an airplane crash,
does anyone else notice what's wrong with this? |
The fact that it doesn't mention Steve Gaines or Cassie Gaines dying, as if only the front man mattered.
That being said, Skynyrd should not b touring or recording anymore. Only Rossington is in the band now. Two of the guitarists, the pianist, singer, drummer and bassist pre-crash are no longer with the band, or dead.
It's capitalizing on the band's name and songs. Wasn't Skynyrd supposed to have been disbanded, and the touring only a temporary memorial thing?
It's sick.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 12:33 pm / quote |
Fyrefox
: I think Lynyrd Skynyrd's older music was better. It had the edginess with powerful lyrics and beats. Although I do like some of the songs on "God & Guns", it just seems like Lynyrd Skynyrd is losing their touch.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 01:21 pm / quote |
m
: I miss the old sound Skynyrd used to have. They're a bit too country now. It's just not the same.
Checked.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 01:33 pm / quote |
rockerwannabe
: What a bunch of liberal sounding weenies that y'all sound like! I am conservative as hell but I still own (and have paid for) music from Green Day and other blatant socialist bands. It's about the music, people! If it rocks, great! If it doesn't, then move on! If I dismissed a band for lame lyrics, I would have nothing to listen to anymore.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 02:00 pm / quote |
Reab
: rockerwannabe wrote:
What a bunch of liberal sounding weenies that y'all sound like! I am conservative as hell but I still own (and have paid for) music from Green Day and other blatant socialist bands. It's about the music, people! If it rocks, great! If it doesn't, then move on! If I dismissed a band for lame lyrics, I would have nothing to listen to anymore. |
Absolutely true, though some songs on the market with deep lyrics might also be nice. I know they are there, but it's hard to find themPOSTED: 10/13/2009 - 02:20 pm / quote |
templar08
: What? They didn't mention 'Unwrite that song'! Best choon on the album. POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 02:43 pm / quote |
rahnercore
: So Skynyrd is emphasizing the second amendment now?
Anybody remember "Saturday Night Special"?
"Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
Seems like a pretty big transition to me.
R.I.P. to the REAL Lynyrd SkynyrdPOSTED: 10/13/2009 - 02:45 pm / quote |
cal1
: I'm pretty dissatisfied with this album. It just lacks the Skynyrd sound I'm accustomed toPOSTED: 10/13/2009 - 03:51 pm / quote |
necrosis1193
: rahnercore wrote:
So Skynyrd is emphasizing the second amendment now?
Anybody remember "Saturday Night Special"?
"Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
Seems like a pretty big transition to me. |
Same exact thing I think whenever I hear that song and when I read this.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 03:53 pm / quote |
buddyboombotz
: rockerwannabe wrote:
What a bunch of liberal sounding weenies that y'all sound like! I am conservative as hell but I still own (and have paid for) music from Green Day and other blatant socialist bands. It's about the music, people! If it rocks, great! If it doesn't, then move on! If I dismissed a band for lame lyrics, I would have nothing to listen to anymore. |
Greenday? Socialist? POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 05:04 pm / quote |
lcphr3ak
: alkalineweeman wrote:
The vast majority of the founding fathers were not Christians as assumed here.
(Source: http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html)
[/quote ]
I'm not being sarcastic when writing that I'm glad to see that people are learning to quote their sources, I admire that. The problem is that the site you gave looks to be completely unreliable.
[quote]rahnercore wrote:
So Skynyrd is emphasizing the second amendment now?
Anybody remember "Saturday Night Special"?
"Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
Seems like a pretty big transition to me.
R.I.P. to the REAL Lynyrd Skynyrd |
A "Saturday Night Special" is basically a poor-mans handgun. [1]
They are primarily used for crime, and I think that is what Ronnie was talking about.
He specifically references Handguns and Pistoles; he never references rifles. The first verse describes a theft scenario, and the second verse describes a drunk scenario. Handguns were not invented for hunting. I don't think you can kill a deer with a handgun. I think this song is addressing handguns themselves.
If you want to reference lyrics as-well, you could take a look at the song "Mississippi Kid". [2]
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special
2. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/lynyrd+skynyrd/mississippi+kid_ 20086147.html POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 06:24 pm / quote |
Altitudinous
: I love this album, although it feels more country, just go with it. They didn't give us the exact skynyrd we wanted, but it doesn't mean the music isn't great. I really enjoy the music and the lyrical content. I guess i'm a part of "love 'em" between the love 'em or hate 'em bit.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 07:48 pm / quote |
bitterend85
: lcphr3ak wrote:
alkalineweeman wrote:
The vast majority of the founding fathers were not Christians as assumed here.
(Source: http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html)
[/quote ]
I'm not being sarcastic when writing that I'm glad to see that people are learning to quote their sources, I admire that. The problem is that the site you gave looks to be completely unreliable.
[quote]rahnercore wrote:
So Skynyrd is emphasizing the second amendment now?
Anybody remember "Saturday Night Special"?
"Hand guns are made for killin
Aint no good for nothin else
And if you like your whiskey
You might even shoot yourself
So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me"
Seems like a pretty big transition to me.
R.I.P. to the REAL Lynyrd Skynyrd
A "Saturday Night Special" is basically a poor-mans handgun. [1]
They are primarily used for crime, and I think that is what Ronnie was talking about.
He specifically references Handguns and Pistoles; he never references rifles. The first verse describes a theft scenario, and the second verse describes a drunk scenario. Handguns were not invented for hunting. I don't think you can kill a deer with a handgun. I think this song is addressing handguns themselves.
If you want to reference lyrics as-well, you could take a look at the song "Mississippi Kid". [2]
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_night_special
2. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/lynyrd+skynyrd/mississippi+kid_ 20086147.html |
yea i can buy that interpretation of the song. this song does seem to only focus on throwaway pistols.
now to my point - i disagree with anyone who thinks the core viewpoints on this band have changed.
if you think they were honestly anti-gun, then you have never heard "gimme back my bullets."
and if you think they were never borderline country sounding, have you never heard "comin home" or "all i can do is write about it?"
i think a lot poeple aren't really even familiar with the band but because songs like Free Bird and Simple Man have become fashionable again they feel like they have to be fans. but i doubt they've ever bought an album or even downloaded a song besides the popular radio plays.
personally, i would never have been able to see Skynyrd live if Johnny and the rest didnt pick up the reins and keep the band together. That was my first concert when i was 12. and I still get goosebumps remembering the feeling of seeing "That Smell" live. and then when the crowd called for Free Bird and the band rushed back onto the stage after pretending to start packing up to leave, i have no words for that encore performance.
now, I am not gonna argue when you say their new stuff just isnt the same. and it never will be. Steve and Ronnie can never be replaced.
but lots of bands die out and fade away, some bands just survive, but only a precious few are able to do what Skynyrd did. and you should only respect them more for it.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 08:07 pm / quote |
ExtremeMetalFTW
: rockerwannabe wrote:
What a bunch of liberal sounding weenies that y'all sound like! I am conservative as hell but I still own (and have paid for) music from Green Day and other blatant socialist bands. It's about the music, people! If it rocks, great! If it doesn't, then move on! If I dismissed a band for lame lyrics, I would have nothing to listen to anymore. |
lolololol
Connies today are being very amusing.
GD isn't socialist buddy. I doubt you've ever heard a socialist band in your life.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 10:18 pm / quote |
bmarlatt1685
: jonnyharris1 wrote:
very wel written alkalineweeman. As a melody i quite like that song, but as with you I find the lyrics very ignorant and rediculous. |
Just like I find Eddie Vedder ignorant and ridiculous, but that doesn't take away the fact that I think Pearl Jam's first three albums are great. How come with liberals it's about our right to express our views, but with conservatives like Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd it's "They need to stick to the music." Completely hypocritical if you ask me.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 10:39 pm / quote |
bmarlatt1685
: buddyboombotz wrote:
rockerwannabe wrote:
What a bunch of liberal sounding weenies that y'all sound like! I am conservative as hell but I still own (and have paid for) music from Green Day and other blatant socialist bands. It's about the music, people! If it rocks, great! If it doesn't, then move on! If I dismissed a band for lame lyrics, I would have nothing to listen to anymore.
Greenday? Socialist? |
No, they're not socialist. They're just overrated musicians, corny lyricists and a terrible band. And as far as being "political activists"... well, that's a joke and anyone who takes Green Day seriously as political activists are even bigger jokes.POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 10:50 pm / quote |
lcphr3ak
: bitterend85 wrote:
A whole bunch of stuff... |
I agree with you 100%. That's pretty much sums up what I was trying to point out (without saying it point blank). For some reason people seem to hold up Ronnie as a anti-gun activist.
bmarlatt1685 wrote:
jonnyharris1 wrote:
very wel written alkalineweeman. As a melody i quite like that song, but as with you I find the lyrics very ignorant and rediculous.
Just like I find Eddie Vedder ignorant and ridiculous, but that doesn't take away the fact that I think Pearl Jam's first three albums are great. How come with liberals it's about our right to express our views, but with conservatives like Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd it's "They need to stick to the music." Completely hypocritical if you ask me. |
I've seem to notice this trend as-well...
All in all, it's a great record... I hate to say it, but probably one of my favorite... *gasp!* An album not from the "original" band?? BLASPHEMY!POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 11:06 pm / quote |
rebel rocker
: First of all, “Saturday Night Special” was written about handguns not all guns. As stated by Ronnie and Johnny in many interviews, the only thing handguns are good for is killing and crime, you can’t go hunt a deer or other game with a handgun, it just doesn’t work. Skynyrd has always been pro 2nd amendment; but rifles and long barrels, not pistols/handguns. Second, the song “Gimme Back My Bullets” is in no way a reference to guns. Its about getting songs back on the Billboard charts, getting hit songs again. Third, anyone who says this “isn’t real Skynyrd” or “Ronnie is rolling over in his grave” or that the band should have stopped when the plane crashed is just ignorant and doesn’t deserve to call themselves a fan of Lynyrd Skynyrd. Listen to “God & Guns” “Unwrite That Song” and “Simple Life” and then go back into the “Original” Skynyrds catalog and listen to “Mississippi Kid” “Am I Losin” “Made In The Shade” “Swamp Music” or “I’m A Country Boy” and tell me they don’t sound similar lyrically and musically. Gary took over the band physically and metaphorically when Ronnie died and he is continuing in the direction Ronnie would want. Ronnie said in an interview once that he, Gary and Allen were so close and similar that only one of them had to be there when a decision was needed because they all knew what the other would want, and Gary is doing precisely what the original band would want POSTED: 10/13/2009 - 11:56 pm / quote |
joe_pete7
: ... how about bands, or anyone in general who has no idea what they are talking about, not talk about politics?.. and yes. i am conservative. and angry about the lack of good lyrics that dont totally contradict what i believe inPOSTED: 10/14/2009 - 12:08 am / quote |
Picklelerner
: its kind of expected to not be as great as their original stuff, i mean srsly how many other bands with the exception of U2 really last so long anyway? But i still think they shouldnt call themselves Lynyrd Sknyrd...theyre not Lynyrd Skynyrd, just like Guns n' Roses right now, totally different band set up. All they do by keeping the original name is get criticized and compared with the original band, u can meet or exceed the expectations of being someone you're not.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 12:11 am / quote |
RUSTDOGG666
: why is this band putting out more albums? it will never be what they used to. theres like what three or four of the original members that are dead. we just heard of two die this year.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 01:31 am / quote |
Branch37
: Yall say only one original member is still with the band? Am I the only person that knows that Rickey Medlocke left skynyrd before they got big to form Blackfoot, and now hes back? POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 02:09 am / quote |
rebel rocker
: Much credit to you, Branch37 for knowing that Rickey was in the band before they made it big, unfortunately him being an “original” member is debatable because of that fact. It could be argued either way but in the end the facts are that Rickey grew up with them and was there in the same situations as them through all the times they write about in their songs, so he can be considered originalPOSTED: 10/14/2009 - 02:46 am / quote |
alkalineweeman
: bmarlatt1685 wrote:
jonnyharris1 wrote:
very wel written alkalineweeman. As a melody i quite like that song, but as with you I find the lyrics very ignorant and rediculous.
Just like I find Eddie Vedder ignorant and ridiculous, but that doesn't take away the fact that I think Pearl Jam's first three albums are great. How come with liberals it's about our right to express our views, but with conservatives like Ted Nugent and Lynyrd Skynyrd it's "They need to stick to the music." Completely hypocritical if you ask me. |
Not hypocritical in the least, i very much doubt you'd find a gun toting, god fearing, Christian red-neck buying say a Leftover Crack record on account that they are anti-religious, anti-homophobic and anti-gun (if you even hit back with "shoot the kids at school" or "one dead cop" you missed the point completely).
It's a simple fact that i would not send a donation to the KKK or any Christian church because i don't beleive their veiws and dont want to effectivly sponsor their message.
Just because Lynyrd Skynyrd are musicians doesn't change the fact that by buying their record i would be supporting their ideals which i wouldn't want spread to my children as i find them ignorant just the same as some one who shares their views wouldn't support a movement to have religion (in any form) or gun ownership abolished.
Rebuttle over i have strayed way too far off topic on this record.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 09:50 am / quote |
Right-Wing Dick
: I wish Rickey Medlocke would quit this red-neck crap and reunite with Blackfoot, even though Jackson Spires is now with The Great Spirit in the Sky. Blackfoots "No Reservations" album is hard rock at its best.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 10:59 am / quote |
voodrew
: I agree with all the people pointing out how hypocritical it is for reviewers to focus on the politics of Lynyrd Skynyrd when so many bands espouse a constant rant of left wing garbage without comment.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 11:09 am / quote |
motley-4-life
: I love this new album. Those of you that do not like this album just because members died. I think that is a bad reason to not like this album.I know its sad and noone will ever take the place or ronnie, or billy, or steve and so on.I think people need to keep an open mind about this album. and i love the point the band is getting across lyrically. I think everyone needs to stop and truly listen to songs like god and guns or that aint my america, or simple life. I think this country would be a much better place if everyone did what thos lyrics said. POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 11:18 am / quote |
A7x_1993
: I think that the tune for every song is there.'ya know.country style.but only thing that doesn't make it good is that Lynyrd Skynyrd's solo doesn't seem clear.it's been..drowned by the drums and bass.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 01:06 pm / quote |
Bob_Rock
: Great album, sounds very fresh and yet it's still good ol' southern rock, and combination of hard rock!!!!POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 01:33 pm / quote |
rockerwannabe
: lolololol
Connies today are being very amusing.
GD isn't socialist buddy. I doubt you've ever heard a socialist band in your life. |
Anyone who isn't blatantly conservative is a socialist in my book. It's just easier that way for me. And if I haven't heard a real socialist band, then good for me! And someone later mentioned that Green Day was terrible. Outside of like 2 songs (one of which I can't even remember) they are terrible. Y'all just need to relax and listen to the music.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 01:54 pm / quote |
Eternium
: rockerwannabe wrote:
lolololol
Connies today are being very amusing.
GD isn't socialist buddy. I doubt you've ever heard a socialist band in your life.
Anyone who isn't blatantly conservative is a socialist in my book. It's just easier that way for me. And if I haven't heard a real socialist band, then good for me! And someone later mentioned that Green Day was terrible. Outside of like 2 songs (one of which I can't even remember) they are terrible. Y'all just need to relax and listen to the music. |
You should listen to Refused.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 06:01 pm / quote |
ndschroede23
: rockerwannabe wrote:
Anyone who isn't blatantly conservative is a socialist in my book. It's just easier that way for me. |
Well that's pretty much the scariest thing I've ever heard.POSTED: 10/14/2009 - 11:14 pm / quote |
ExtremeMetalFTW
: rockerwannabe wrote:
lolololol
Connies today are being very amusing.
GD isn't socialist buddy. I doubt you've ever heard a socialist band in your life.
Anyone who isn't blatantly conservative is a socialist in my book. It's just easier that way for me. And if I haven't heard a real socialist band, then good for me! And someone later mentioned that Green Day was terrible. Outside of like 2 songs (one of which I can't even remember) they are terrible. Y'all just need to relax and listen to the music. |
You certainly aren't helping the conservative image with your ignorance. It's quite sad you lump so many different political groups all into one category. In doing so, you often put in contradictory and opposing political viewpoints.
As for that being good for you, you yourself contradict this by saying that we "just need to relax and listen to the music" because apparently we should, but you don't have to.POSTED: 10/15/2009 - 10:36 pm / quote |
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