Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces Review

Release Date: Oct 23, 2007
Label: Wind-Up Records
Genres: Alternative Metal, Post Grunge
Number Of Tracks: 12
Seether’s latest studio effort is rather hit-and-miss, perhaps the product of a band still capitalizing on the successes of Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Creed.

Sound:	7.3
Lyrics:	9
Impression:	8.3
Overall rating:	8.2
Users rating:	8.9
Comments:	81

overall: 6

Featured review by: UG Team, on october 23, 2007

Sound: Seether’s post grunge sound is somewhat bemusing in the midst of emo’s sustained popularity. It is therefore necessary to commend the South Africans for sticking inexorably to their guns and avoiding a genre change. Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces begins on a placid but tense note with Welgemoed’s crooned vocals being complemented by a smoothly picked guitar section, before the rhythm section kicks in. It seems a peculiar way to start an album, almost with a nostalgic, reflective nature; soothing, yes, but innovative? The plaudits have to be awarded to Seether for their single Fake It. The band offers their take on a swing feel; the rhythm section is particularly potent in this area. If Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces sells a million albums on the back of this single, it wouldn’t be surprising. In a negative light, the sound seems to wear thin on tracks such as Breakdown. The guitar sounds processed and although I can’t be sure if Seether used Pro-Tools on this album, the sound is very digitalised. There’s no spontaneity or rough edge that can be heard on most great rock records. Although FMLYHM seems to be passionate at face value, I feel that Seether is recycling old Nirvana sounds, and adding them to Nickelback’s radio friendly rock. It’s driving music. Everything sounds better when you’re driving because the engine noise distracts the listener. // 5

Lyrics and Singing: Seether is very standard and formulaic lyrically. Whether or not Welgemoed’s delivery is pleasing to the ear is a different story altogether. The delivery of the vocals is lacking in conviction and this doesn’t seem to be a very ‘live’ record. This sounds like a typical American alt. Rock record of modern music. They’re South African, one would hope for these guys to offer a sonically attention-grabbing and diverse album. Furthermore, the lyrical topic of No Jesus Christ is somewhat I'll conceived, unwarranted and poorly written. The incredible idiocy of the repeated line, “No Jesus Christ” truly exhibits an ignorance seen only in those who don’t know what they believe in so choose to criticise the beliefs of others. Unlike the Philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment, Seether offers no alternative to Religion. Of course, I could be missing the point, but the song just seems to be in poor taste. Perhaps it was written to convey that God allows for awful things to happen and shouldn’t (Family loss since Welgemoed’s brother passed away prior to the album’s release). In any case, the song is not what best represents this album. However, Seether redeem themselves in what I perceive to be an attack on the increasing tendency to go under the knife for cosmetic purposes on Fallen: “They got injections for the facial lines, break out the scalpel keep the nose defined”. In the spirit of rhyme, this is almost faultless in it's ingenuity. Seether is very hit and miss, but I feel that it is not the lyrics that are the problem, but the conviction on certain songs. Of course, the death of Welgemoed’s brother delayed the album and sources seem to agree that some songs were written in honour of him. It is an honest record, but perhaps the more honest songs are those, which were written after this cruel loss. // 7

Impression: Seether’s fifth album should prove to be satisfactory to the band’s existing audience, but may not attract new listeners. The rhythm section is far more spontaneous than many may be willing to admit, but the guitar tone is generic and typical of the genre. Typically, the bass and the drums give the songs a great sense of groove and fluidity, almost subsidising the great cost at which the guitar were recorded. The standout tracks include Like Suicide, Fake It and 6 Gun Quota. Seether isn’t innovative, but for a long drive in the morning traffic and congestion, it’s a great record. // 6

overall: 9

Reviewed by: EVANescence1500, on october 25, 2007

Sound: As a band, Seether has been through countless trials and tribulations since the release of their last album, Karma and Effect. From the loss of a guitarist, to the sudden death of Shaun Morgan's brother Eugene, it seemed as though events were set in motion that may very well have spelled the end of Seether, but, luckily for us, that is not the case. With the loss of their guitarist, Seether returned to their roots, going back to a three-piece, which was the original formula for the band in it's infancy, with Shaun Morgan once again assuming the role of primary songwriter. With the loss of Eugene, and now, the release of their latest album Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces, Seether prove that they are a band built to overcome adversity and overcome the many obstacles that life has to throw at them, and their new album stands as a symbol of the drive and perseverance that they all possess. As far as sound is concerned, it caters quite well to what we as fans have grown to expect of the Seether sound, which, as is no secret, has neither been technically complex, nor a medium to showcase awe inspiring guitar technique, for that has never been what Seether is about. The sound of this album finds it's niche and it's home in it's simplicity, that, combined with heavy guitars, and Shaun Morgan's rough and angst-driven vocal delivery is what we have come to expect of Seether over the past few years, and in that regard, the sound of this album does not dissappoint. Though, along with implementing the signature Seether formula that the band has used on many of their past albums to refine their sound and establish their musical identity, Seether does implement a number of musical styles into their sound, fusing it with their existing formula in order to make it their own. An example of this would be the lead single off the album, Fake it, which has somewhat of a bluesy feel to it, very reminiscent of their song Remedy, off of Karma And Effect. Also, having only one guitarist has definitely redirected their sound, most noticeably on this album then any other past album. Their sound for this album seems to take on a more raw and simplistic identity, which again plays into Seethers existing musical identity, which, by and large has always taken on a more simplistic approach as far as song structure and writing is concerned, and with the use of one guitar, Seether steers their sound further down the simplistic path, putting more emphasis on that musical idea, and, while falling into this trap of simplicity usually spells disaster for most bands, with most running the risk of becoming repetitive, this is not at all the case with Seether, on the contrary, this simplistic approach caters to their sound immensley, creating a musical environment in which they can both thrive and flourish. // 8

Lyrics and Singing: With regards to lyrics, the themes and ideas expressed on Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces are quite what you would expect to come from the mind of Shaun Morgan, with themes of personal loss, tradgedy, hate, relationship woes, and death resurfacing throughout the album. Though, the one thing that sets this album apart from other Seether efforts, is that, from a lyrical standpoint, the lyrics themselves do tend to take on a more positive perspective on this album. Lyrically, there seems to be a lesser emphasis on the dark lyrics of old, and instead, there is a lighter side that can be found within them. This is definitely a lyrical leap of sorts for both Shaun Morgan and the band collectively, and one that does break away from the usual mold of Seether lyrics and does break away from the repetitiveness of some of their reccurring themes. An example of this different lyrical approach can be found in the song "Breakdown" in which Morgan sings: You can break me down if it takes all your might/'cause I'm so much more then meets the eye, and in the song "Rise Above This" in which Morgan sings: Call your name everyday, when I feel so helpless/I'm falling down, but I'll rise above this, rise above this doubt. While these lyrics do carry with them the usual Seether themes that have cultivated their writing style, the thing that does set this album apart from all the others lyrically is the fact that, though Seether does keep to the somewhat negative themes of old, on this album, there does seem to be elements of perseverance and the overcoming of personal obstacles, themes which were non existant in past albums. Where once there was only darkness and negativity in the lyrics, now, there does seem to be a hopeful and positive perspective, existing simultaneously alongside the negative and hopeless, and it is this exact balance that past Seether Albums lacked, and that which sets this album apart from all of it's predecessors. // 10

Impression: As far as overall impressions are concerned, this is indeed a solid album, again, it is neither the most musically complex album, nor does it break any new musical ground, but what this album does do is stay true to the Seether sound. It will not blow you away with technically sound musical prowess, but what it will do is cater to your tastes, assuming of course that you as a listener are already a fan of this style of music, and if so, this album is likely to be pleasing to you as a listener. Love them or hate them, one thing Seether has continued to do is to play the style of music that they want to play, and that is definitely something worth admiring. In many ways, this album is a new beginning for Seether, as it once again finds them going back to their roots as a 3-piece band, though, rather then looking back to past comparisons, this new album and this new line up will catapult them into the future, placing them once again at the forefront, amongst the other heavy hitters who currently dominate the modern rock genre. With regards to the most impressive songs on the album, I would have to go with: Like Suicide, No Jesus Christ, Walk Away From The Sun, and 6 Gun Quota. If it were stolen/lost, I would buy it again. // 9

overall: 9.7

Reviewed by: BrianPetersen, on december 10, 2007

Sound: This CD is the most diverse compared to the previous.

01. Like Suicide - nothing screams Seether more than this song. There couldn't be a better opening song for this album. Not to mention one of the best riffs in history.
02. Fake It - Seether really went out on a limb on this one. The most different song on the album. This song is really fun to listen to though.
03. Breakdown - this song is deep. With a small mini solo after the chorus seems as though the band gives a shit, you know?
04. FMLYHM - oh yes, the verse's guitar sounds so awesome, and they know it does. And the drums are very attracting.
05. Fallen - my least favorite song on this album, I do like that it gives you the feeling of 'Gasoline', but they seem to try to force the riff upon you, don't get me wrong, I like it, but this one has the least variety.
06. Rise Above This - about 'June Ra' before his tragic death. But once you hear this song's drum opening, then the guitar kicks in, you feel a lot calmer/safer.
07. No Jesus Christ - the begining sounds like a deep poetry, but after he screams "You're no Jesus Christ", you will headbang, or you will want to.
08. Six Gun Quota - I don't like the distortion for this song. But this song is my 2nd favorite.
09. Walk Away From The Sun - the best solo ever. Best combination of hardcore electric guitar and acoustic.
10. Eyes Of The Devil - this song was more of a lyrics song. It wasn't the best song on the CD.
11. Don't Believe - this song was more focused on the music. A song you can listen to no matte what your emotion is. Gives off the essence of 'Diseased'.
12. Waste - very pretty song. With extra guitar performed with Space, it's one of the most jaw dropping songs on the CD. Not mention the best bass.

Next to perfect combination of just what Seether needed. // 9

Lyrics and Singing: Shaun has matured so much as a vocalist. Nothing like Kurt Cobain. With suggestive lyrics as in FMLYHM, to the deep words noted in Breakdown and Waste. Although his best performance was in Walk Away From The Sun. When he says "You Fading With Everyday", you think you are standing in the middle of a field staring up into the eye of a storm. Fake It and Six Gun Quota are perfect example of how he really feels. Fake It about the fake people in America, and Six Gun Quota believed to be symbolicly talking about his alcohol intake (maybe). The lyrics definately the height of the album. // 10

Impression: Overall it's a 10/10. Finding Beauty takes a jump into a deep end with experiments that have just gone right. They have grabbed and seized experience and talent from the 8 years they have been out and they put on this disc. Beats Karma & Effect's hardness and Disclaimer's vocals. It's a must have for anyone. Period. // 10

Comments

[bigjbesson]

First: Just because Seether happen to sound like Nirvana is not a bad thing since that is their main influence.
Second: The song "No, Jesus Christ" was written before his brothers death and can be taken as an attempt to discover what one believes.
Third: Seether sounds like Seether and you can't that without changing the entire band, therefore becoming something entirely not Seether.
Fourth: The genre Seether are placed in is known for the lack of guitar. They are guitar minimalists for the most part using the guitar to back up melodies.

Overall you should do some research and maybe listen to the bands other CDs first.

[pigmaggots]

Calm down dude, its just someone's opinion :]

[dhebz]

i like the cover. cool! ^^ it reminds me of emily.

[Missino]

It's a fact that Seether doesn't sound anything like Nirvana (Who had no musical quality what-so-ever).

[nolanxxx]

stop making excuses this guys right, seethers allright, but not great, they are solid but not inovative, i've heard a lot of stuff exactly like them before.
dont have a Bitc h fit

[nolanxxx]

i can listen to them if it was on the radio in the car...i'd never buy there cd, go to their show, or even download their stuff

[Randy_Rhoads44]

the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoed’s crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!

[skocotic]

i love seether. and ive seen them four times already. i understand that they sound alot like nirvana and somehow that bothers alot of people, but they are not trying to rip them off in anyway. but they do some kickass nirvana covers.

[ss311]

Well actually, the singer's full name...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Morgan

[quo te]Randy_Rhoads44 wrote:

Shows how much you know about this band.

the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoed’s crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!![/quote]

[tim311mahoney]

Why is this band still putting out records? I used to have their first CD. After listening to it the first time I enjoyed it, but the more I listened to it i started to hate it. This band has minimal talent.

[Shywalk329]

*AHEM* Thank you Tim mahoney. They have minimal talent. But somehow they get by.

[jmag]

Randy_Rhoads44 wrote:

the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoed’s crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!

Shaun Morgan Welgemoed. F[b][/b]ucking idiot.

[kur4maru]

I still can't understand why people that dont like seether come here to talk sh*t about them, F*ck don't like, don't talk end of storie

[bokuho]

It's a 'meh' album. Some good tracks, some kind of dull, nothing's especially great but nothing is especially bad either. I think Seether are still a long way off being a top-quality group, but there's a lot worse out there too and generally they do a good job.
Whether they sound like another band or reading into meanings in song lyrics is another matter. If Seether were a bigger band, I could see how this stuff would matter, but as it stands I don't think Seether make enough of an impact anyway to warrent the bickering and questioning.
Just take them for what they are: fairly decent background rock music.

[Gtar-o-mania]

I have no idea what this album is like, but that Cover is totally stolen from Infected Mushrooms Vicious Delicious! (The little girl.. There is no star on the real cover)

http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://i.isr ael-music.com/b/10123308.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.israel-mus ic.com/infected_mushroom/vicious_delicious/&h=431&w=435&sz=4 8&hl=da&start=11&um=1&tbnid=YI4-vFaW2iHRhM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=12 6&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVicious%2BDelicious%2BCover%26svnum%3D1 0%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26sa%3DN

[Switchmunky7]

As a South African I am proud of Seether for waving the flag for us in the States. So for those of you who diss them you diss the 50000 + South Africans who truely appreciate the efforts they have put in.

[Gtar-o-mania]

Gtar-o-mania wrote:

I have no idea what this album is like, but that Cover is totally stolen from Infected Mushrooms Vicious Delicious! (The little girl.. There is no star on the real cover)

http://images.google.dk/imgres?imgurl=http://i.isr ael-music.com/b/10123308.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.israel-mus ic.com/infected_mushroom/vicious_delicious/&h=431&w=435&sz=4 8&hl=da&start=11&um=1&tbnid=YI4-vFaW2iHRhM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=12 6&prev=/images%3Fq%3DVicious%2BDelicious%2BCover%26svnum%3D1 0%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dda%26sa%3DN

BAd link sorry.. This is the real one..

http://i.israel-music.com/b/10123308.jpg

[LordThon]

I wouldn't say the cover's "stolen". Same artist, different image.


I found No Jesus Christ to be a direct statement towards an individual person believing themself to be some sort of saviour. It's not necessarily about religion.

I really enjoy this album. It's...what should have gone between Disclaimer (II) and Karma and Effect, in terms of style.

[anty]

its not someones opinion, its a new age christian trying to spark his daily doseage of smartass to a song he knows nothing about, what does the bible say about judging?

[Mass_debator]

Switchmunky, let's not turn Seether into sacred cows here. Yes they managed to get bigger than the South African "music scenetjie" and yes they worked hard but that doesn't absolve them from standard level criticism. I haven't heard this yet but if they put out an average album they deserve to be criticised as such. Simple. They don't get off just because they're South African. I would much rather see our bands rising to international prominence based on the merit of their work. Bands like the Horror Cast or manINsuit that create their own sound and write really, really good songs as well. Fokofpolisiekar deserve to be recognised internationally perhaps more than any other SA band.

[flea878]

Missino wrote:

It's a fact that Seether doesn't sound anything like Nirvana (Who had no musical quality what-so-ever).

Are you an idiot? How can that be fact?? Fair enough if you don't think theres much of a similarity (despite the fact there are musical similarities and seether have said themselves nirvana were a huge influence), but that doesnt make it fact.
I really like seether, thought they were great live, and i hope this review is wrong

[Mr.Garreth]

Randy_Rhoads44 wrote:

the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoed’s crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about before you post!!!!!

Wow your stupid. If you knew anything about the band or lead singer, you would know his real surname IS Welgemoed. He changed it to Morgan (his middle name) due to him worrying that Americans wouldnt be able to pronounce it or remember it. So I think it is you who is in need of proper research. Drol.

[xyour_name_here]

idc what u people think...i love seether...if it wasnt for them i would of never of even picked up a guitar

[mosh_rocker2006]

What does he mean when he says "The guitar sounds processed and although I can’t be sure if Seether used Pro-Tools on this album, the sound is very digitalised." Pretty sure that's a false statement there. Pro Tools is the music industry standard just to let you know.

As for Seether...I loved their first album but ever since then it seems like they have a few good songs and leave it at that, which sucks because I love the comparisons between them and Nirvana...oh well...

[LordThon]

That, and, when one listens to Breakdown, it's quite obvious that the guitars are MEANT to sound that way. Gives a very distinct feel to the song.

[CJRocker]

I think this is a pretty good album, and at least as good as their last. If you don't like post grunge/alt metal don't buy it, simple as that.

[Westbro]

Randy_Rhoads44 wrote:

the only thing i am wondering is who the F#CK is this Welgemoed you keep refferencing?? you said "Welgemoed’s crooned vocals" the singers name is shaun MORGAN!!! that just shows how much you know about this band, how about you learn what you're talking about
before you post!!!!!

You're amazing.

[JEEtoP]

Reviews like this amuse me.

First off, why is everything these days considered a failure if its not 'innovative'.
Also the song No Jesus Christ is clearly referring to an opinion of someone, the full line is "You're no Jesus Christ".

Seether are very good at what they do, I think the music is great and are an inspiration to me.

It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up

[MrYoshida]

Switchmunky7 wrote:

As a South African I am proud of Seether for waving the flag for us in the States. So for those of you who diss them you diss the 50000 + South Africans who truely appreciate the efforts they have put in.

Ok so how should I go about that? Seether is terrible and so are the 50,000+ South Africans that like them. Good?

[dragon88]

SSEETHER ROCKS!!!!! I have every cd and they only get better. I realy dont care what the revew seas thery my fav and always will be.

[CJRocker]

JEEtoP wrote:

Reviews like this amuse me.

First off, why is everything these days considered a failure if its not 'innovative'.
Also the song No Jesus Christ is clearly referring to an opinion of someone, the full line is "You're no Jesus Christ".

Seether are very good at what they do, I think the music is great and are an inspiration to me.

It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up

Well put.

[dingo356]

i love seether they are my biggest inspiration and i love nirvana but anyone can tell them apart yes they do sound similar but if you have had trillions of bands obviously some will sound the same either way seether fucing rock and to the reviewer if this is what you think then ok but i believe your so wrong.

[laxkid2]

dude. this cd f***** rocks. i love fake it. this cd is a really good one for seether. i cant wait until i can see them in concert.

[Anarion614]

Who the hell is Welgemoed?

[Xecks13]

Ive always really enjoyed their music... as everyone is saying it is not groundbreaking and they will never be my favorite band... but I have disclaimer and karma and effect and both are two of the few cds where when any song comes on I wont skip it

[Xecks13]

*Basically I believe they are good at what they try to be.. nothing more.. nothing less.. (and no this is not a Nirvana clone)

[LordThon]

Anarion614 wrote:

Who the hell is Welgemoed?

This has been covered. Shaun Morgan's full name is Shaun Morgan Welgemoed.

[awsomeguitarguy]

im still waitin for the album to be delivered 2 my house, and I cant believe this guy rated this so badly, Ive heard 3 of the songs on this album and they kick ass, also I saw them live and that kicked ass too

[zreb]

The album seems to get a lot of attention from vicious fan-*****s.

As someone who has listened to the Disclaimer/K&E albums over and over religiously, I have to say that Finding Beauty in Negative Spaces is a major kick in the ass to people who really enjoyed Seether's heavy style. The article commending the band for "sticking to their guns" is making me wonder which album the author(s) actually listened to.

Majorly disappointing to those who loved the sound of the older albums. If they replaced the vocalist with someone else, I would think it was by a completely different band sooner than I would go "sounds like Seether with a different vocalist."

[The Meshtar]

chill, fellas. seether is quite good.

[zreb]

JEEtoP wrote:
It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up

I'd like to hear an example of another situation you would give criticism in.

Oh, that's right. People only ever criticize things when there's something they don't like about them.

"Grow up" is an ironic phrase to read in your comment.

[seether4life]

ya Welgemoed who its shaun morgan his brother is Welgemoed and grunge for ever

[Lgndkllr777]

I prefer this CD to the rest.

Karma/Effect was probably my least favorite, Disclaimer I/II were great.

[Switchmunky7]

Mr Yoshida, bet you feel like a real man after that comment? Do yourself and your small member a favour and go blow chunks up your ass!
MassDebator, i'm not holding them up as sacred cows, i support our guys through and through and one band on your list i would support is man in suit, i personally am not a big fan of horrorcast. I respect seether for taking themselves to the states cause that is a tough market and to make three albums and be remotely successful is damn good shit.

[lakers&steelers]

Im just throwin this out there and you can take it for wat its worth but i think that seether is freakin awesome and this albumn is just as great as all the others... which were all good as well

[koerok]

one radical record
bought it this morning and woooow its great
seether rulez
i have seen them live and its real great
and tommorow i'm having a gig and we are covering Hang On. woow seether seether seether

[EllttEll]

seether is the kind of bad where either you love them or really dont care if there around, personally if they were to die. i would think....."hmmm oh well, suck to be them" i mean i would have a cd if i got a burned copy from a friend, but never go out and by one

[boyan89]

I WANT IT!!

[Anarion614]

LordThon wrote:

Anarion614 wrote:

Who the hell is Welgemoed?

This has been covered. Shaun Morgan's full name is Shaun Morgan Welgemoed.

My mistake.

I'd listened to Seether a couple times before, and I'd only heard him being referred to by Shaun Morgan, my bad.

[skocotic]

its a good cd. i bought it today. and theres some really good tracks on it.

[jndietz]

I thought it was a great disc.

[Will-Low]

I love it man. They are going softer and more emotional but what do you expect after the death of Eugene. I saw them live in Chico Cali and they were amazing. 10 all of the way.

[Will-Low]

Ok I'm getting ticked on how everyone seems to diss seether so "IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY, DON'T SAY IT AT ALL!!!!"

[Hero_Of_Defeat]

In my opinion, the album is great. The only reason that Seether would sound different is strictly because Pat is gone and Shaun is left to lay down the guitar tracks. As for "No Jesus Christ" I'm pretty sure that everytime Shaun sings the line you hear, "You're no Jesus Christ." I'm not sure if that is what he's saying, and I'll take any corrections. The song is not about people criticizing anyone at all. Shaun stated that everyone in the band has their own religion, but they choose not to bring anything like that into any song. That's not to say that he could not be referring to some sort of savior.

But, I love Seether, one of the greatest bands out there since they stayed true to their music throughout the years and didn't put on a front like Avril Lavigne (claimed to be punk, but was really emo.) I've seen them live, bought every album, except for Saron Gas, and I listen to them everyday. I'll continue to do such, regardless of anyone else's opinions.

[ready2breakdown]

I like Seether, but I honestly like some of the different directions that the explored as Saron Gas. I REALLY wish they would throw some of those in there too! But I am still crazy about the first two albums(I don't really consider Disclaimer II an album, more like a bonus EP/LP combo). Karma And Effect is better, but they've both got their pluses and minuses.

I can see what the reviewer means, but I think that Seether has much more edge to them than other "typical American Alternative Metal bands." Like their almost an outcast to that scene even. but whatever he's obviously smarter than me.

Check out Saron Gas if you can manage to get your hands on it! It really is a great debut CD. I can totally understand how they got signed from it!

[Evgenij]

This album cover is almost identical to Vicious Delicious.
It looks like they photoshopped a few things out and moved the hue/saturation slider a little. Great.

[mantis_714]

the band is awsome in concert, i love how people bash them, like wheres your cd, thats right you dont have one, so talk crap about others while you cant even play in a bar!

[ianl]

I really like this album

[JEEtoP]

zreb wrote:

JEEtoP wrote:
It just pisses me off that because someone doesn't care for their music, they feel that is a reason to criticise the people and their work. Grow up


I'd like to hear an example of another situation you would give criticism in.

Oh, that's right. People only ever criticize things when there's something they don't like about them.

"Grow up" is an ironic phrase to read in your comment.

I don't have the energy to argue with you, especially on an internet message board and because your 2 points contradict each other.

Criticism can be constructive or destructive.
But what good is a music review written with destructive criticism?

[ready2breakdown]

And I can't lie I love Seether, but I was really disappointed with the new CD. I'll definitely do a review, because I could talk on it for a while.

[Fuel Collector]

Great CD. Like suicide, Fake it, and FMLYHM own.

[joitrebiani]

not that good except " Eyes of the devil " its wonderful..

[FenderBlood]

MrYoshida jou poes..im an South african..so f@ck you..and i love seether..I have all there cds and saron gas..i love this band!!!!!MrYoshida stuk kak

[FenderBlood]

MrYoshida jou poes..Im an south african.....I love seether..i have all 5 cds(Disclaimer,Disclaimer II,karma and effect,one cold night acoustic live and finding beauty in negative spaces)i also have the saron gas cd.this band rocks!!!!!MrYoshida stuk kak

[irishmx8]

How can this guy get a job reviewing cds if he doesnt even listen to them, in the song "no jesus christ" he says "you're no jesus christ" not there is no jesus christ. Big difference

[seekmetal]

rhandy_rhoads44=dumbass!

[_Soul_Decision_]

The Cd is awesome!!

[Fly-swatter]

good album...i think that it's nothing like Nirvana and people should stop making that comparison, his voice sounds like Kurt's on a few tracks but i definitely don't hear it as much on this album...Shaun's vocals are smoother and cleaner, as well as deeper...so where does this comparison come in? the screams? a vast majority of rock music screams now...jeeze...different men, different times, different writers, DIFFERENT...now i await the hate mail

[OP1UM]

haha there's alot of contraversy surrounding what some refer to as an average band. personally i love them and after i saw their live performance on the one cold night dvd/cd i gained alot of respect for them. That accoustic performance accouding to me kicked staind off the throne for best unplugged performers. Yet i have to agree they didn't quite meet expectations with the latest album. but rock on dudes

[shadow11491]

While FBINS isnt as strong as Seether's previous CD, "Karma and Effect", it isnt weak either. "Fake It" was played several times at a near by dance club, and the song "Breakdown" has large potential to be a number one hit as well as a huge video smash. The optimistic "Breakdown" says "I'm so much more than meets the eye/all your lies" how many people do you know that could use that message? Quite a few, thats how many.

Furthermore, the lyrical topic of No Jesus Christ is somewhat I'll conceived, unwarranted and poorly written. The incredible idiocy of the repeated line, “No Jesus Christ” truly exhibits an ignorance seen only in those who don’t know what they believe in so choose to criticise the beliefs of others. Unlike the Philosophers of the Age of Enlightenment, Seether offers no alternative to Religion.

It wasnt an attack or assult on religion, "your no jesus christ" doesnt sound like an attack despite the fact the line "the innocent observers will refuse to find the lie within" may.

Overall this album has really been altered by producers, I believe, its much different from their old material and much more mainstream. However, Seether did get more technical and their lyrics became better and more complex.

[QuakerBaker]

MrYoshida :
Switchmunky7 wrote:

As a South African I am proud of Seether for waving the flag for us in the States. So for those of you who diss them you diss the 50000 + South Africans who truely appreciate the efforts they have put in.


Ok so how should I go about that? Seether is terrible and so are the 50,000+ South Africans that like them. Good?

Wow dude you aren't a jerk or anything. Good job being racial, and being an a$$hole. I hope you are happy now that you have disgraced those 50000+ people.

[silencebreaks15]

Being a fan of both Seether and Nirvana. This is to all the people who say Seether sounds just like Nirvana. I'll admit that Shaun's voice is similar to Kurt's, but musically only a few songs on Disclaimer maybe sound similar to Nirvana. Nothing on K&E or FBINS sounds like Nirvana. While not having the most intricate style, Seether still has way more intricate parts than Nirvana did.

[slap-a-bass]

seether is awesome say what you want

the thing is that seether CAN sound like nirvana if they wanted

they have a different background, and their music comes out much different than nirvana's.

[Mr.Kool]

first of all..who cares if seether sounds a lil like nirvana..nirvana's a good band, one of seether's main influences and the same genre..second, no jesus christ is about people who think they're all that and a bag of chips..and he's saying, "you're no jesus christ"..not just "no jesus christ"

[Christopher T]

As a South African Rock fan, i'm proud to say that Seether is befok. The new album is "as usual" awesome! South Africa is behind you guys... [quote]

[silencebreaks15]

To slap-a-bass. Exactly.

[Matt_1213]

This album is actually quite good. The first reviewer got it wrong. 'Nuff said.

[FlowingWhispers]

I love how everyone misunderstands the song "No Jesus Christ". The song isn't really about religious beliefs but more about people who are sanctimonious and believe that they're better than everyone else.

[Spiritweaver]

ready2breakdown wrote:

And I can't lie I love Seether, but I was really disappointed with the new CD. I'll definitely do a review, because I could talk on it for a while.

Same here. I am a HUGE Seether fan and I don't have a problem saying that this cd was very mediocre. There are only a couple of really good tunes, the rest were very meh for me.

[JordanLennon]

I've been listening to these guys since Disclaimer's first release and I have to say that this is the best work they've ever done...hands down! I can't get enough of this album. I love the rest of them almost just as much but I found something special about this one that got me hooked.

[CAMBRIA678]

To the idiot writting the first review: hes not saying "no jesus christ" hes saying "you're no jesus christ". get your facts straight before u label something as "poorly written" or "incredible idiocy"