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Signature TSB 58 Ebony Review

manufacturer: tanglewood date: 02/25/2011 category: electric guitars
Signature TSB 58 Ebony
The guitar really does look like a Gibson custom, and incredibly, sounds absolutely amazing for the price.
 Features: 7
 Sound: 9
 Action: 8
 Reliability: 9
 Impression: 9
 Overall rating:
 6.7 
 Reviewer rating:
 8.4 
 Users rating:
 5 
 Votes:
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overall: 8.4
Signature TSB 58 Ebony Reviewed by: Kog_Les_Paul, on february 25, 2011
1 of 1 people found this review helpful

Price paid: £ 250

Purchased from: eBay

Features: Note-First review, so shall try best to be guitar tech as possible, bare with me here....

Bought this lovely guitar last year, second hand. It truly is an under rated guitar... here's all the boring yet important stuff (copied and pasted from a an internet source)

* SHAPE Single Cutaway
* BODY Solid Mahogany
* TOP Maple Veneer
* NECK (MATERIAL) Mahogany
* NECK (BUILD) Set Neck
* FINGERBOARD Rosewood
* BINDING Cream ABS Front & Back
* NUT (WIDTH) Cream ABS (43mm)
* SCALE LENGTH 630mm
* MACHINE HEADS Gold Grover style
* INLAYS Block, Mother of Pearl
* HARDWARE Gold
* FINISH Ebony Gloss
* PICKUPS 3 x Entwistle Alnico HV58

The guitar really does look like a Gibson custom, and incredibly, sounds absolutely amazing for the price. I have been saving up for a Gibson studio or a standard, but having played a few in shops. I've yet to find one that sounds as rich as this guitar. it has 3 way a selector switch, and the Standard 4 knobs for volume/tone as you'd expect on a Les Paul by now. However unlike various offenders on the market, turning these knobs actually makes a change in the sound, having three humbuckers means you can expect quite a loud ol' noise with a bit of crunch and reverb, however with a a bit of fiddling of the correct knobs, you can get a very bluesy sound to it, if not as sharp as (let's say for sake of argument) a Fender strat.

It was second hand, but strangely the retrn address was a Tanglewood factory, possibly was display? I don't know, but the person threw in a free leather and suede strap in the box, nothing else came with it.

A tiny complaint is the bit that sticks out for the strap (very technical) is not the best, my strap slipped over it a few times, I ended up placing a washer over it for it too stay in place, however this was too much grip and started unscrewing the strap `thing` slowly, I glued it in last year and it's been fine, been meaning to get a replacement though. // 7

Sound: I play absolutely all sorts on ths guitar. I mainly focus on classic rock, and this guitar sounds beautiful for what I play. Last friday I played stairway to heaven on it in a large hall of at least 800+ spectating in some guitar and drums solo competition. I was using a Vox amp someone kindly lent me, I may have set it up slightly wrong, with a bit too much reverb, but still sounded impressive, when it was solo time, I used a pretty cheap pedal (digitech RP50) for a bit of overdrive/distortion. I came third in the competition, which is non too shabby for myself. I play bluesy style guitar on it often, have managed to pull a few jimi hendrix licks, but it does lack the sharpness for that style. I play both rhythm and lead on it, no problem.

I've yet to buy a proper stage amp and only play on some 20w amp with no memorable name, yet as stated earlier, it sounds great, it has a really full sound, I guess is how to describe it, that can be changed from rock to blues, strong lead to simple rhythm easily. however the amp does make a bizarre noise when someone starts watching television downstairs. my even cheaper 10w Squier amp is ironically more reliable.

There is no buzzing noise though from the pick-ups from loud volumes, and no real issues I can think of. // 9

Action, Fit & Finish: The guitar was set up already when I purchased it, it had an extremely high action (I'm sorry, I get the high action and low action muddled frequently, the strings were very close to the fretboard throughout the whole neck, I believe that's high) and suits my fast style of playing very well.

The pickups we're similarily set up to high standards, the neck one always looked at a funny angle to me, but it sounds good, so I won't knock it.

The finish is great, maybe `plasticy looking` to some. Gold hardware adds to it as well, gold on the hmbuckers, after a year of abuse, are starting to fade a bit now, but I like the look of a used guitar.

There was a tiny ding at the top of guitar, where the headstock meets the neck, I believe it may have been cause on a display rack, where an eager customer may have picked it up too quickly, Has never affected playing, sound, and hasn't gotten worse over the years.

Tuners are fairly decent, transport in hard case doesn't knock it out of tune as badly as I was expecting. However, may have been my strings (hybrid slinkies), i have noticed during fast solo's (freebird comes into mind) with multiple bends, the B string can go out of tune very slighty. // 8

Reliability & Durability: This guitar can easily be played on a stage and still get a few people asking `what make is that?` and `bet that cost a few` as was the case last friday. I've played it for a year now, neck hasn't warped, the set up has remained the same, nothing has broken. The strap buttons (so that's what they're called!) are not the best, recommend switching them personally. The hardware is all fine, the gold will fade over time, but it gives it that more used/vintage look in my opinion, the humbuckers are sounding as good as when I initially played it.

The finish is still in tact and perfect, it hasn't seem to worn at all, despite always playing with a strap, and keeping a strap on it in a hard case, there is no markings to the eye, maybe a closer inspection would reveal a few, but to me and the audience it looks new.

Would I depend on it for a gig without a back up? yes I certaintly would and hae, for the diverse sound in tones it can do. // 9

Impression: This is a great guitar, that may well be overlooken. Tanglewood are seen as people whom normally make acoustics/semi, this is truly a nice piece of overlooked equipment!

Would I buy this in front of a `proper` Gibson Les Paul custom? well yes, of course! simply because I don't feel a Gibson custom (despite the price, lets say £2500) does/plays/sounds 10m times as good this guitar, my dad whom had the 59 custom, has played this guitar and claims the main difference he notices are the frets aren't as low as his, and the tone is lacking a little compared to his black beauty. `if` I had the money, then I'd go gibson, and have this as backup.

If I lost this guitar, I would get another, I just love the sound and look of it, and the price! my favourite feature has got to be (along with the looks) the simpleness it is too change the tone completely, From what I've played, the tone switches have never `done much` for me normally, this guitar appears to be different for this price. Least favourite feature, is possible the strap buttons.

Anything I wish it had? Yes, the Gibson brand logo if it did, I could easily sell it (if I ever do) for a large sum of money. // 9

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comments policy  25  comments posted
     
DurpaDurpa wrote on 02/25/2011 - 06:17 am / quote |
Seems weird, couldn't find a les paul in the shop to get your sound after trying a fair few, but happy to spend money on the internet for something you haven't played. Risky risky risky.
     
Gibson1983 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 06:26 am / quote |
...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.
     
Jsteele1408 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 10:01 am / quote |
Gibson1983 wrote:

...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.


Pissing and moaning about it on every review really helps, too. It's certainly going to change things.
     
rv_phoenix wrote on 02/25/2011 - 10:36 am / quote |
Jsteele1408 wrote:

Gibson1983 wrote:

...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.


Pissing and moaning about it on every review really helps, too. It's certainly going to change things.


I think you're wrong: it's not on every review: only on those reviews who grant the highest marks to cheap, virtualy unplayable instruments, bought by equally cheap (sorry: unexperienced) players.
This Tanglewood, as all Tanglewoods, is just a(nother) Chinese crap. Only the moniker differes from various Gear4Musics, Dimaverys, Staggs, Agiles, Rockburns, Xavieres or Westfields. All done in the same place, by the same people: some Chinese guys who never saw a real guitar in their life and don't understand a thing about the wood and metal they're putting together. Sometimes better (but never well!), most of time much worse than you'll imagine!
     
mattiwillohouse wrote on 02/25/2011 - 12:14 pm / quote |
rv_phoenix wrote:

Jsteele1408 wrote:

Gibson1983 wrote:

...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.


Pissing and moaning about it on every review really helps, too. It's certainly going to change things.


I think you're wrong: it's not on every review: only on those reviews who grant the highest marks to cheap, virtualy unplayable instruments, bought by equally cheap (sorry: unexperienced) players.
This Tanglewood, as all Tanglewoods, is just a(nother) Chinese crap. Only the moniker differes from various Gear4Musics, Dimaverys, Staggs, Agiles, Rockburns, Xavieres or Westfields. All done in the same place, by the same people: some Chinese guys who never saw a real guitar in their life and don't understand a thing about the wood and metal they're putting together. Sometimes better (but never well!), most of time much worse than you'll imagine!


I own a Tanglewood LP copy, which I use for purely bedroom practice, and although it's not quite up to the standard of an Epi, I certainly wouldn't call it 'chinese crap' or 'unplayable'. I've played worse guitars that cost more believe you me.

I think the inexperience here is coming from you my friend. There's nothing wrong with newbie guitarists buying inexpensive gear. Why go out and buy an expensive guitar when you can't play it yet?

Peace
     
Kog_Les_Paul wrote on 02/25/2011 - 01:51 pm / quote |
hello, thanks for all the replies, i like constructive criticism, shame this isn't critiscm, this is just biased abuse;
-to the first guy, indeed it was, however this guitar was relatively cheap, i wasnt expecting anything that good, for a gibson, i'm paying a lot of money and expect it too be good, thus and am being wary of what i get, therefore am testing them.
-to Gibson1983, this guitar, for me, is near perfect, for what i want.
-to rv_phoenix, mine was made in the UK (UK isn't near China), and is certaintly not made of cheap stuff, compared to the other copies floating the market. however the given picture does not do it justice, the one i have looks nothing like that.

Anyway, continue to hate as it isn't made in America, but the UK, but if you don't care what's written on the neck of the guitar, and still want good looks, this is something you should consider buying.
     
Jj795 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 02:08 pm / quote |
Hello my friend. Seems a nice guitar, glad to see you had the balls to do a review.
     
Jj795 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 02:12 pm / quote |
And by the way, keep playing , peace.....
     
Jsteele1408 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 03:55 pm / quote |
Kog_Les_Paul wrote:

-to rv_phoenix, mine was made in the UK (UK isn't near China)


Actually, Tanglewood Guitars are made in either China or Korea. It's a British company and the guitars are designed in the UK, but they aren't produced there. If they were, you'd pay a great deal more, due to the much higher cost of labor in the UK in comparison to China or Korea.
     
Kog_Les_Paul wrote on 02/25/2011 - 04:22 pm / quote |
Jsteele1408 wrote:

Kog_Les_Paul wrote:

-to rv_phoenix, mine was made in the UK (UK isn't near China)

Actually, Tanglewood Guitars are made in either China or Korea. It's a British company and the guitars are designed in the UK, but they aren't produced there. If they were, you'd pay a great deal more, due to the much higher cost of labor in the UK in comparison to China or Korea.

in that case, i apoligise, i was wrong.
however if this is a chinese guitar i'm playing, i'm even more impressed, it was sold to me as UK made, i never questioned that. various over LP copies i've had and played (epiphones and an encore ring to bell) have been no where near the quality of this
     
Jsteele1408 wrote on 02/25/2011 - 10:10 pm / quote |
Kog_Les_Paul wrote:
in that case, i apoligise, i was wrong.
however if this is a chinese guitar i'm playing, i'm even more impressed, it was sold to me as UK made, i never questioned that. various over LP copies i've had and played (epiphones and an encore ring to bell) have been no where near the quality of this


Yeah people are very quick to judge without trying around here. There's a lot of elitists around here. My LTD Deluxe MH-1000 and my Agile Septor 727 were both made in Korea, and they're INCREDIBLE guitars, great quality without the enormous price tag of a US custom. I have no problem with them being made in a factory in another country.
     
MadDOG4780 wrote on 02/26/2011 - 01:19 am / quote |
Kog_Les_Paul wrote:

Jsteele1408 wrote:

Kog_Les_Paul wrote:

-to rv_phoenix, mine was made in the UK (UK isn't near China)

Actually, Tanglewood Guitars are made in either China or Korea. It's a British company and the guitars are designed in the UK, but they aren't produced there. If they were, you'd pay a great deal more, due to the much higher cost of labor in the UK in comparison to China or Korea.
in that case, i apoligise, i was wrong.
however if this is a chinese guitar i'm playing, i'm even more impressed, it was sold to me as UK made, i never questioned that. various over LP copies i've had and played (epiphones and an encore ring to bell) have been no where near the quality of this


Your both right ! lol

Tanglewood is a British company based in Yorkshire. They build guitars in the UK and Korea. I have a Tanglewood acoustic thats made in the UK - they are mainly high end model acoustics though, but I'm told the "LP" (Les Paul) style Tanglewood signature series are made in the UK.

I had my eye on their Signature Les Paul TSB-C-58 LTD edition with see through Walnut top - very nice but I went off to have a think... big mistake, cos it had gone by the time I got back

excuse my wafflings...
     
'93 wrote on 02/26/2011 - 03:33 am / quote |
yeah aparently this guitar is quite nice so...i kind of trust the reviewer. he seems honest
     
rv_phoenix wrote on 02/26/2011 - 04:44 am / quote |
mattiwillohouse wrote:

rv_phoenix wrote:

Jsteele1408 wrote:

Gibson1983 wrote:

...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.


Pissing and moaning about it on every review really helps, too. It's certainly going to change things.


I think you're wrong: it's not on every review: only on those reviews who grant the highest marks to cheap, virtualy unplayable instruments, bought by equally cheap (sorry: unexperienced) players.
This Tanglewood, as all Tanglewoods, is just a(nother) Chinese crap. Only the moniker differes from various Gear4Musics, Dimaverys, Staggs, Agiles, Rockburns, Xavieres or Westfields. All done in the same place, by the same people: some Chinese guys who never saw a real guitar in their life and don't understand a thing about the wood and metal they're putting together. Sometimes better (but never well!), most of time much worse than you'll imagine!


I own a Tanglewood LP copy, which I use for purely bedroom practice, and although it's not quite up to the standard of an Epi, I certainly wouldn't call it 'chinese crap' or 'unplayable'. I've played worse guitars that cost more believe you me.

I think the inexperience here is coming from you my friend. There's nothing wrong with newbie guitarists buying inexpensive gear. Why go out and buy an expensive guitar when you can't play it yet?

Peace


Because learning to play on a bad guitar means getting all sort of bad habits, very hard to get rid of.
Bad guitars tend to have plenty of pitch irregularities, for instance. I mean, your tuner might show E-A-D-G-B-e when strumming, but then, going further on the fretboard, you may notice that, at the 12th fret, the notes won't be the same anymore, no matter how well the guitar is intonated. (Actually, you can perceive these differences only if you're a musician or when fully using a professional chromatic tuner, which I warmly advice you to do.) Hence you ear gets used with the wrong notes and the relationship between your fingers and your brain (who identifies the notes you're playing and commands the fingers) is ruined for good. When switching to a guitar, a real one I mean, the poor begginer will spend quite a few months only trying to recognize the notes he's playing.
The most stupid idea one can encounter here at th UG is that beginners should begin on bad guitars. Not at all, my friend: buy the best guitar you can, otherwise you'll never know for sure how good you are.
You'll never know for sure how fast you are, for instance: many of those Korean and Chinese made guitars advertise a Rosewood fingerboard, but they're fully using Sonokeling instead: it looks the same, but it doesn't slipper the same... And so on.
You'll never know for sure how a guitar should sound like: almost none of these Korean, Chinese, Indonesian or Pakistani made guitars has the right output impedances at the pickups and the correct differences between the 2 or 3 of them. None of their pickups has a correct wound of the wire around the magnet. Setting the neck in is a mistery to most of these factories in Asia, thus providing us with fully buzzing axes etc. etc.
When you'll have my 30 years of playing (including some practice in electonics and woodcraft), you'll know that a bad guitar is player's worst companion. If you're not ready to invest in real equipment - and I don't mean only Fender and Gibson: there are other 30 great makes on the planet, plus the countless custom shops -, don't even think at actually playing. You'll never reach anywhere praising the "virtues" of Tanglewoods, Agiles, Staggs, Dimaverys, Westfields, Harley Bentons and other crappy makes like these. If you're poor, save some more money, buy a good average guitar - a Hodson, a Cort, a Vintage, a Peavey - and modify it. That's why the woodcraft is fundamental: you can replace the pups, the pegs, the hardware. You cannot replace wood.
     
Kog_Les_Paul wrote on 02/26/2011 - 06:40 am / quote |
rv_phoenix wrote:


When you'll have my 30 years of playing (including some practice in electonics and woodcraft), you'll know that a bad guitar is player's worst companion. If you're not ready to invest in real equipment - and I don't mean only Fender and Gibson: there are other 30 great makes on the planet, plus the countless custom shops -, don't even think at actually playing. You'll never reach anywhere praising the "virtues" of Tanglewoods, Agiles, Staggs, Dimaverys, Westfields, Harley Bentons and other crappy makes like these. If you're poor, save some more money, buy a good average guitar - a Hodson, a Cort, a Vintage, a Peavey - and modify it. That's why the woodcraft is fundamental: you can replace the pups, the pegs, the hardware. You cannot replace wood.


Yawns all around from me, why is it when someone tries to put someone else down, it's always 30 years (dead on) previous experience? It's irrelevant most of the time.
The other guitars you listed as `crap` along with tanglewood are indeed cheap crap, easily can be obtained for less than £200. The ones that you listed as average can be picked up new for £250-£350, although i personally don't rate vinatge's/epiphones, i've yet to play one with a decent build. For the guitar i reviewed, to get it new you'r looking at £380+. i striked lucky to get one at that price with a set up, but that's what i use eBay for. 1 year play on it, no problems, no `bad habits`, and no notes making the incorrect tune, as my personal musician (my old man) has checked thoroughly for me, after i purchased it.
Personally though, i think if someone is poor, they should get a cheap squier or epiphone or something along those lines first, make sure playing guitar is their thing, before going into the deep end. if they like it then save some money whilst learning the basic stuff, before switching over to something more glamorous. People don't start playing by ear for some time, after all!


To madDOG4780-Curse it, that's why the image is of the incorrect guitar i forgot to add the `C` this is the guitar i was actually reviewing http://www.tanglewoodguitars.co.uk/products/electrics/tsb58/ TSBC58EB.html

     
Kog_Les_Paul wrote on 02/26/2011 - 06:44 am / quote |
hmm, broken link for some reason try again.
http://www.tanglewoodguitars.co.uk/products/electric s/tsb58/TSBC58EB.html
if that doesnt work, simply google `tanglewood signature TSB C 58 ebony`
     
rv_phoenix wrote on 02/26/2011 - 09:32 am / quote |
I wasn't talking about low end Vintages - although a V 100 is much better than this Tanglewood, due to Wilkinson pickups and hardware -, I was thinking at the Advance series, who can beat any Epi of around 1000 GBP (which is more than its double). Squiers and cheap Epis can be actually much much worse than this Tanglewood: it's very likely they are built in the same Chinese plant anyway, by the same Chinese guys who have no idea what a guitar is...
I've never adviced anyone to begin with a Squier. As for the Epis, the good ones begin at around 400 euros. At this price, there are 10 guitars superior in any respect.
     
MadDOG4780 wrote on 02/27/2011 - 07:12 am / quote |
Kog_Les_Paul wrote:

hmm, broken link for some reason try again.
http://www.tanglewoodguitars.co.uk/products/electric s/tsb58/TSBC58EB.html
if that doesnt work, simply google `tanglewood signature TSB C 58 ebony`


I see.. its a 1958 Les Paul black beauty style and its the "signature series" so made in the U.K. good choice. Very versatile guitar too.

To rv_phoenix - Although I take on board you opinion and agree with you in places, I believe you are incorrect in saying that the V100 is better. The Tanglewood is loaded with Entwistle HV-58 humbuckers which are Alnico V magnets with enamel coated wire and scatterwound coils just as good if not better than the Wilkinson - not to be scoffed at. The Bridge and Machine heads are Wilkinson. The body is Mahogany with a Flamed maple top, the neck is mahogany with rosewood finger board. Also you'll find that the Tanglewood retails at £400-£450 new - I would say the Tanglewood is in the same league as an Epiphone or a Tokai.

I would say Mr Kog_Les_Paul has himself a damn good guitar for a very good price

     
Axe-man69 wrote on 04/26/2011 - 08:02 am / quote |
Ok, as a veteran player, I recently bought the Tanglwood 335 copy http://www.tanglewoodguitars.co.uk/images/products/semi/tsb5 9/large/TSB59VSLRG.jpg

And is FAR superior to any equivalent Epiphone copy of a 335! Its made from mahogany and the wood is solid, not laminate like an Epi would be.

I have also played the LP copies in question. Again, very good build quality, far exceeding any Epiphone (which btw are ALL Chinese made now!)
They play well off the shelf, the Entwistle HV58 p/ups are VERY good, trad sounding (MORE so than modern Gibsons) & of high output. They absolutely sing!

I have been playing guitar and singing for 27 years and played tonnes of different guitars. These are some of the BEST, affordable instruments a beginner or veteran (like myself) could buy! WOULD I spend $5000 on a new Gibson these days? NO way! I have played them & quite frankly, I prefer the Tanglewoods to the 'real' thing, any day!

Ok, the build quality and wood grade may not be as good, but in terms of feel and sound/tone, these, sound better!

Sorry brand snobs/elitists! Your arguments fail!
     
fil-who wrote on 05/02/2011 - 04:09 am / quote |
Nice review dude. I have a tanglewood acoustic and could not be happier with it so can believe that the guitar in question is very good. From what I understand, most all 'non premium' guitars are now made in china or korea so unless you are parting with a few grand that fact is irelevant. I think what people fail to realise is that price also is a major fctor in these reviews, the fact that the guitar plays as well as it does for £250 means it is deserving of an 8.... I get it. If the guitar was £1000 it probably would not have been quite so hight would it!?
     
fil-who wrote on 05/02/2011 - 04:19 am / quote |
fil-who wrote:

Nice review dude. I have a tanglewood acoustic and could not be happier with it so can believe that the guitar in question is very good. From what I understand, most all 'non premium' guitars are now made in china or korea so unless you are parting with a few grand that fact is irelevant. I think what people fail to realise is that price also is a major fctor in these reviews, the fact that the guitar plays as well as it does for £250 means it is deserving of an 8.... I get it. If the guitar was £1000 it probably would not have been quite so hight would it!?


True story: My local guitar shop (who swear by tanglewoods) used to stock a few gibsons untill they were sent 2 guitars with woodworm. They natually sent the guitars back only to recieve them back again from gibson stating that there was nothing wrong with them! Im not trying to slate Gibson on any level as i said, true story, but it puts things into perspective.
     
MushyMilk1 wrote on 05/02/2011 - 04:39 pm / quote |
I recently bought a tanglewood TSB 58 MWR which i love! The colour is perfect and so is the sound! I paid around £350 for mine and considering i've only been playing for about 3 years is perfect! Not the "chinese crap" ive been reading?
     
Nirvana00125 wrote on 07/05/2011 - 11:26 am / quote |
Jsteele1408 wrote:

Gibson1983 wrote:

...and yet another cheap-ass guitar that is apparently near perfect. UG guitar reviews lose their value when each and every guitar receives at least a solid 8.

Pissing and moaning about it on every review really helps, too. It's certainly going to change things.


Honestly I don't know why everytime someone gives a cheap guitar a good review, someone has to bring this up with their whining. Out of the guitars I own, one of them is a SX Callisto CS, which is a $150 guitar and I would pick it over my PRS Paul Allender and my Ibanez S520ex guitars that are both generally considered "better". IT's all personal preference. Yes there are some guitars(like those stupid Epiphone Special II Sgs and Les Pauls) that are just terrible, terrible guitars. Same with the Ibanez Gios(although those are actually pretty good for beginners). But not EVERY cheap guitar is bad, in fact most cheap guitars are made by companies that are trying to make it into the market. And honestly I would spend 100-500 bucks on a no name brand over a 1000-2000 Gibson any day. The only exception I will ever make to this is PRS because I absolutely love PRS guitars(I like the Paul Allender but it's suited basically towards only metal so when I'm not in the mood for metal I play the SX usually).
     
Nirvana00125 wrote on 07/05/2011 - 11:40 am / quote |
I also have a feeling that rv Pheonix, with his 30 years of experience, may just be old and thinks people should stick with the name brands. All of the brands you put down are newer and/or not even close to as relevant to popular culture. When was the last time you went to a store and saw a magazine for Tanglewood or Agile or SX guitarS? But I'm sure you'll see dozens of Ibanez, PRS, Gibson, and Fender ads all over the place. And some of those brands(the ones I've heard of at least) are very good guitars! Agiles are great especially for their price. I would never pay $1000 on an Agile(except maybe an 8 string) but those are great guitars and I've played a Tanglewood and thought it was fine.

You should also realize probably around 90% of the people on this forum are between the ages of 15-25. A lot of us(including me) can't just go and buy an expensive Gibson or Fender and for some of us(I know there's a group of UGers who firmly stand by this) simply don't like the big brands. So I guess I'll just reiterrate what I said before: an expensive guitar does not make for a good guitar. And just because it's not a brand that's been around for the past 50 years doesn't mean they make low quality instruments. It all comes down to preference. Some just don't care if they have that nice Gibson logo that they spend an extra $400 on.


Lastly: Why would you say "if you're not willing to spend the money on quality gear then you might as well not play at all." So every hardcore, punk, indie, alternative(real alternative, not this pop alt crap), and many other bands in various genres should just not play guitar regardless of whether or not they can afford gear? Because I can list a ton of bands who had crappy gear when they first started and even after they released an album. Look at Josh Homme: he's in a band that's sold platinum albums(QOTSA) and he swears that his crappy $100 guitars are amazing.
     
rv_phoenix wrote on 09/22/2011 - 05:14 pm / quote |
Nirvana00125 wrote:

I also have a feeling that rv Pheonix, with his 30 years of experience, may just be old and thinks people should stick with the name brands.


Dear fellow, first of all, I'm not that old. 30 years of playing should be added to a very early age of starting music studies: musicians, even when semi-pros, use to do that, the just start when they're 5 or 6 or 8.
And no, I don't stick to brand names. My guitars aren't Fenders or Gibsons (at least for the moment: I admit I owned a Fender Strat some 20 years ago). I like to modify guitars, according to my taste, so I don't need to buy expensive guitars.
I've just expressed a serious doubt that a Tanglewood can sound like a Gibson, and I've also expressed a serious doubt that Entwistle pickups are better than Wilkinson. No tech-schmech about enamels and alnico V (common, basic materials for anyone who wants to be serious about making pups) can convince me, because I've tried them all, many many times. And I've also checked their outputs, their impedances, their balance etc. etc. (that's the adventage of being experienced). Wilkinson pickups are more consistent, better constructed and more reliable than Entwistle, and period. Their sound is not just interesting, it is right. Trev Wilkinson really knows how to do it, while Entwistle has just begun to learn how. It's a long way until you can say you are someone in this large industry.
But I must agree to all of you that Tanglewoods have vastly improved recently and they are good value for money too. Occasionally, you can even find a remarkable instrument among them.
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