Spider Valve 212 Review

The Spider Valve 212 from Line 6 features a Spider III engine mated in perfect harmony to a genuine tube amplifier. Designed by famed amp man Reinhold Bogner for unmatched performance and responsiveness.

Features:	9
Sound:	9.8
Reliability:	9.3
Impression:	10
Overall rating:	9.5
Users rating:	8.4
Comments:	110

overall: 10

Featured review by: truthfulhero, on may 30, 2008

Purchased from: Billy Hyde's City Music Newcastle

Features: This 40 watt tube amp features Line 6 pre-amp with 12 channels, a heap of pre-made sounds from artists such as John 5, As I Lay Dying, Killswitch Engage, Thursday and many more. The amp also features an inbuilt tuner, effects such as flange, chorus, tap delay, reverb, etc. The power amp is made by Bogner and is accessible directly through a jack on the back of the amp. The pre-amp can be lined out into an external speaker cab but I have been happy with the inbuilt speakers, being 2x12" Celestion Vintage 30s. The amp comes with an in-depth manual and wheels (you will need them, it is insanely heavy for a combo! ) I wish I could rate this higher as it is hands down the best amp I have used with the possible exception of the Line 6 Spider Valve 100 Watt Head and Quad Box. I purchased the amp with the FBV Express foot pedal. This accesses the 4 custom channels, tuner, tap delay, volume and wah. // 10

Sound: This amp has it all. Separate channels specifically designed for sparkling clean, blues, rock, metal and an "Insane" channel for blistering solos. This amp can do anything. It also contains a noise gate to kill any form of buzz or hiss. I use this amp at my church and when I jam with friends so I use a variety of sounds and I have not yet been let down. The clean channels are amazing and deliver an incredibly diverse amount of sounds. The different levels of gain go from very modest to more than you will ever need (ever!). I play anything from Hillsong to The Killers to Demon Hunter and As I Lay Dying. This amp covers the lot and does it incredibly well. // 10

Reliability & Durability: This is my only amp and I have complete confidence in it. It is very easy to use and I have only had slight problems with the foot pedal, never with the amp. Having said that, I have only owned it for 6 months. So far, no issues though. I always play this amp without backup. The wheels are a godsend, even on a combo! // 10

Impression: Hands down, this is the best amp I have ever played through. My main guitar is a PRS Tremonti but I also own an Ibanez 7V JEM that has had a few plays through it. I have also borrowed Fenders and a Les Paul Custom. All guitars have sounded amazing. If this amp were lost, I would definitely purchase another, or upgrade to the Spider Valve 100watt Head and Box. There is nothing to hate about this amp except the fact that there is so much to do with it. I am 6 months in and still discovering amazing sounds. I had no dollar limit when I purchased this amp. I wanted the best. I chose this amp over a Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier, Krank Revolution, Marshall JCM-900, Ritchie Blackmore Signature Amp, Crate 350Watt Tube amp among many others tried that didn't come remotely close to this. If you are after a new amp, I cannot recommend anything over this amp except it's beefier 100watt brother. Incredible value for money and sounds and tones that leave anything else (yes, even your beloved Mesa) for dead 50 miles back. As mentioned above, if stolen, I would not buy anything else. // 10

overall: 9

Reviewed by: KY_GuitarMan, on january 15, 2008

Purchased from: AmericanMusical.com

Features: The same as the spider III but so much better. The Spider Valve 212 from Line 6 features a Spider III engine mated in perfect harmony to a genuine tube amplifier. Designed by famed amp man Reinhold Bogner for unmatched performance and responsiveness. The amp is built around 2 - 12AX7 preamp tubes and 2 - 6L6 power tubes. You can choose from 12 amp models and 7 Smart Control Effects. 36 user-programmable channels save your settings, or you can play through over 300 artist-created presets. All the tones are voiced by the legendary Celestion Vintage 30. Finally you can have the unrivaled versatility of Line 6 amp and effects modeling with the performance and feel of a world-class tube amplifier. Unlike flextone, no midi! That kind of sucks. Also, like all Line 6's, no footswitch. The nice thing is Line 6 has a big range of footswitches that fall in all price ranges. // 8

Sound: I play Epi Les Paul standards because they are built like tanks, sound great, and are 1/5th the price of their big brother Gibson LP standard. I've two. One with Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates pickups I use for blues and classic rock. The other I put in EMG Zakk Wylde 81/85 set for metal. I just got the amp a few days ago but have already spent many hours with both guitars. To put it in a nutshell, I can find every tone I'm looking for. I found it best to browse through the presets, which is really easy to do, and when you find something close to what you want just stop there and tweak it to get exactly what you're looking for. With my blues les paul I easily found Vaughan's texas style tone (Texas Flood, Pride and Joy). I also easily found Hendrix both clean (Hey Joe), slightly dirty (Red House), and really nasty (Purple Haze, Voodoo Chile). With my metal les paul I found Black Sabbath (early, iron man, war pigs), later (Heaven and Hell), Van Halen (brown sound), Iron Maiden, Metallica, Pantera, etc. This amp is the most versatile I've ever owned and I've owned just about every decent mass marketed tube amp (Fender Twin, Marhsall JCM800, DSL 100, TSL 100). You can quickly dial in crystal chimey cleans then Switch straight to face melting shredding leads to bottom heavy chunky arpeggio death metal riffs. I have not been able to reach the headroom of this amp. I've rehearsed with it in a very loud club setting and I didn't need to turn it past 4. It's really amazing. This is truly a high-end tube combo that could gig anywhere for $830. I really think this is the only amp you'd need in your rig. Add an FBV shortboard to have it all at your feet and it's perfect. // 10

Reliability & Durability: It is built way better than my Flextone III XL and that wasn't built that bad. This one is built for professionals. It's heavy and the wood is thick. There is a cage around the power tubes to protect them. Only owned it a few days so far so can't talk about longevity. // 8

Impression: I've played for 30 years (since I was 10, I'm not that old). Overall, for $830 this is the best amp I've ever owned. The amazing flexibility of Line 6 modeling PLUS an all tube circuit designed by Reinhold Bogner himself. You can really get every tone you're looking for with amazing tube tone quality. Whatever style of music you like, you'll find it. Add a footswitch (I'd recommend the FBV shortboard) and you're in heaven. My favorite feature is the amazing tone. We're all guitar players here and we're all in that endless search for killer tone. I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! I'd definitely recommend buying it. I'd replace it if it was stolen. It's one of my favorite amps all time. // 10

overall: 9.5

Reviewed by: Skywalker007, on october 29, 2008

Price paid: € 750

Purchased from: Local Shop

Features: This amp has nice features, it has over 300 presets, including some of the best songs of the last 50 years. I mostly play metal, but also a little punk, funk, rock etc. So this versatile amp was just what I needed. A nice feature is that you can use the preamp and poweramp separately and add effects in between. I would recommend to buy a footswitch of somekind, it's a lot easier to control it like this. (with a bit of luck you van find the fbv shortboard for like 100-150 used). What I miss is a headphone jack, but seeing as almost no tube amp has one, I really shouldn't complain. Haven't gigged with it, but guess it will be loud enough after trying it out during a jam session with some friends. Haven't tried going louder than 30%, don't really see a reason why I should, unless I'm gonna gig someday. // 9

Sound: I'm using this with my Epiphone Les Paul Studio, it really produces a great sound with this amp. As I said before I play mostly metal, but different kinds of it and also others styles. So the versatility of the +300 presets and the built in 12 amp models, chorus, tremelo, phaser, flanger, echo are more than satisfying. I haven't cranked it max, so I don't know if the cleans will distort. And there is no humAming when the built in noise gate is on, only hum I've heard was from my guitar, when my main noise gate was off, but this is not the amp's fault. Of course if you're a purist and you know your style, it would be better to by a more expensive amp, and it would sound a bit better. But with my budget and need for versatility this is just excellent. // 9

Reliability & Durability: Haven't gigged with it, so can't say for sure how reliable it is, looks pretty reliable to me, if would have my first gig in the next few weeks, I would use it without backup (also because I'm broke after buying this amp and some other stuff). I have had it for a week, everything is okay so far and it looks as if it's going to stay that way. And of course you might wanna be a bit more careful with tube amps than with solid states. // 10

Impression: So overall a great amp, really good for playing different styles. Up until now I had a small 35W practice amp and an RP80, both which I gave to my brother, Who's just starting with guitar. What an upgrade. Compared it with a lot of other amps in the same price class, and decided this was the best buy for me (maybe not for everyone). if it would be stolen, I would buy a new, maybe even the HD100 if I would be in a band atm. So if you know what sound you want, maybe you should get another amp, but if you're unsure or play different styles, definitely get this one. // 10

overall: 9.5

Reviewed by: H_ngm_n, on october 02, 2008

Price paid: $ 750.00

Purchased from: Guitar Center

Features: Tons of features. When I say tons I mean it too. Has very nice effects built in, outputs, billions of models, durability, comes with casters, has a tube cage, bright display. The knobs are a bit weak but that's the only problem with features so far. Great for the price range. 9 because of the knobs, their just to flimsy. // 9

Sound: I plugged into this thing at guitar center thinking I was gonna jam on it for a while then go get the AC 30 that had been calling my name since early summer. I walked out with this amp. It does everything. I was playing on a Classic 60's model which was dead on beatles tone, pushed a button and BAM Meshuggah. Bleeding saturated metal tone. One more push to Tom Petty also identicle. Every sound this amp makes is dead on. If it isnt dead on it still sounds very nice. I am so impressed with this amp's tone that I tell everyone of my friends about it and they all try it and are amazed too. Great sound. // 10

Reliability & Durability: Heavy. A great sign. Built very solid with a tube cage to keep your power tubes in place. Came with wheels for easy moving. A sturdy leather handle and very solid grille. The only thing is a knob chipped when my loose cable smacked it. They all seem a little cheap on closer inspection but oh well. // 9

Impression: I'm an Indie rocker on friday and saturday night and a praise band leader on sunday morning. I love to shred and jam with my friends and play some metal while my brother plays drums. I now know that I can play any of those styles with such great tone that people will wonder where I'm getting all these amps. Great for a musician on a budget or an old-school rocker looking for some fun. Really a great amp that blows all the solid-state garbage this company has made out of the water. // 10

Comments

[the.spine.surfs]

I'd still want to try one before I said anything definate.

[niguitars.com]

how long have you been working for line 6?

[Kumanji]

I've had one for a couple of months. The man's right, they are mind-bendingly versatile. Just disassociate this amp from everything Line6 has done before, which, to be honest, has not been earthshatteringly good. This amp really is something else.

[Chris-13]

Sweet dude

[stradivari310]

I want it.

[Sapient]

niguitars.com wrote:

how long have you been working for line 6?

Yeah, seriously.

[led,rainsong]

i dont really like the idea of having a bunch of presets stuff on an amp because you cant really switch through them especially if there are 300!

[Weybl Himself]

As much as I don't like the sound of these "all in one amps, this is good thinking from Line 6, I'd be curious to try one although it probably wouldn't suit my style. I'm happy with me all valve, digital free amp and the wonderful Line 6 DL4 delay modeller, say what you want about line 6, but the DL4 is an amazingly powerful, and gorgeous sounding delay unit.

[korinaflyingv]

imo, apart from the crunch channel, this amp is a masterpiece.

[MESAexplorer]

Uhm yeah....I didn't think it was thaaaat good. I liked it but it's definatly not near as good as this person is suggesting.

My review can be found by searching the UG forums (Spider Valve)

[tubey69]

i agree that all of the past spiders have been pretty (extremely) bad, but this is really something else, it responds like a proper tube amp with line 6 modeling technology (imagine a POD with a tube poweramp and 2 preamp tubes)

[HELLSHREDD]

I have owned the 40 watt 1x12 spidervalve for a couple months now & the only thing not good on this amp is the crunch channel , 2 me it sounds like shit through EMG p-ups. Everything else on this amp is pure delight, if you are into metal dont waste your time & go try this out , you will be fully blown away , there are 2 settings for metal & my favorite is the yellow metal setting 2 me it sounds like pure metallica & slayerish. I did pick up the FBV shortboard just to feel even more spoiled & its so nice.Check out my set up in my pics & tell me if you like...If this amp were stolen & i caught the dude who stole it would burn on the cross in my back-yard, there are truly no othere tube amps that could come close to this amp ,,Once again go try it & another thing ive heard is that ive heard people say that they thought they could get better tone out of the 1x12 speaker rather than 2x12, but the 2x12 has a bit more bottom end...both amps put out the same power & im sticking with the single speaker cuz it punches me in the chest just what i like....

[phenom1991]

^No other tube amps? LOOOL! Im sorry mate but thats pushing it. It might be good though.

[phenom1991]

Ever heard of...peavey,engl or marshall? *laughs a bit*

[phenom1991]

Anyway...you got a RR24 too. Its sweet. Good For line 6 they are finally cleaning up the spider 3 crap and putting some real components into the boxes. I would not use a Spider 3 as toilet paper though. Its not expensive but its horrible sounding. This on the other hand may have gotten better.

[ozzy102691]

"The same as the spider III but so much better"

???

[which ones pink]

[quote=Ky_Guitarman]I just got the amp a few days ago[/quote]

And that is a perfect reason NOT to write a review; you haven't learned enough about the amp to make an educated, un-biased review about it.

Also, "10" for sound? Please. I don't believe that any amp (much less the Spider Valve) should get a 10 for sound, unless it's a super-boutique or vintage like a Cornford or vintage Plexi or something.

[which ones pink]

^Sorry about the tags lol.

[acdcrocks0323]

I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830!

Or get a used Mesa F series or Mark IV for the same or a little more for a much better sound with the same versatility. I'm just sayin...

[mister bass guy]

my friend has this amp i think. but it had a foot switch. i mite be wrong if this was the same amp...

[TDAJGuitarist]

HELLSHREDD wrote:

I have owned the 40 watt 1x12 spidervalve for a couple months now & the only thing not good on this amp is the crunch channel , 2 me it sounds like shit through EMG p-ups. Everything else on this amp is pure delight, if you are into metal dont waste your time & go try this out , you will be fully blown away , there are 2 settings for metal & my favorite is the yellow metal setting 2 me it sounds like pure metallica & slayerish. I did pick up the FBV shortboard just to feel even more spoiled & its so nice.Check out my set up in my pics & tell me if you like...If this amp were stolen & i caught the dude who stole it would burn on the cross in my back-yard, there are truly no othere tube amps that could come close to this amp ,,Once again go try it & another thing ive heard is that ive heard people say that they thought they could get better tone out of the 1x12 speaker rather than 2x12, but the 2x12 has a bit more bottom end...both amps put out the same power & im sticking with the single speaker cuz it punches me in the chest just what i like....

ANYTHING Mesa makes is better...Same with Marshall....And Peavey....And Huges & Ketter....And Most Randall's....And pretty much all other brands...Because Line 6 is trash...tubes or not.

[TDAJGuitarist]

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

[Steve BP]

This was more of a sales pitch than a review.

[fretsonfire74]

i didn't even know line 6 made tube amps.

[KY_GuitarMan]

I love how many people who don't own one of these and have never played one can make judgement calls on the review. I invite those poser wannabe's to GFY!!! I was opening for GnR at clubs in the late 80's when these losers were jerking off in their mom's basements playing hondos.

This amp is solid. Plus it doesn't carry the $3000 price tag that Mesas do. Anyone saying buy a $3000 Mesa over this amp is some spoiled white kid from the suburbs whose daddy buys him $3000 amps for christmas every year.

Take it from a 30 year veteran, this amp rocks!

[jetfuel495]

KY_GuitarMan wrote:

I love how many people who don't own one of these and have never played one can make judgement calls on the review. I invite those poser wannabe's to GFY!!! I was opening for GnR at clubs in the late 80's when these losers were jerking off in their mom's basements
playing hondos.

This amp is solid. Plus it doesn't carry the $3000 price tag that Mesas do. Anyone saying buy a $3000 Mesa over this amp is some spoiled white kid from the suburbs whose daddy buys him $3000 amps for christmas every year.

Take it from a 30 year veteran, this amp rocks!

LOL HONDOS

[Element182]

I thought Line6 was crap until I got the POD X3. They are definitely trying to put out good product. The Spider's were just a product of a great idea and bad, underpowered hardware. The rest of Line6's stuff is good. Better than a Peavey Valveking and cheap Fenders for sure.

[ExtremeMetalFTW]

HELLSHREDD wrote:

I have owned the 40 watt 1x12 spidervalve for a couple months now & the only thing not good on this amp is the crunch channel , 2 me it sounds like shit through EMG p-ups. Everything else on this amp is pure delight, if you are into metal dont waste your time & go try this out , you will be fully blown away , there are 2 settings for metal & my favorite is the yellow metal setting 2 me it sounds like pure metallica & slayerish. I did pick up the FBV shortboard just to feel even more spoiled & its so nice.Check out my set up in my pics & tell me if you like...If this amp were stolen & i caught the dude who stole it would burn on the cross in my back-yard, there are truly no othere tube amps that could come close to this amp ,,Once again go try it & another thing ive heard is that ive heard people say that they thought they could get better tone out of the 1x12 speaker rather than 2x12, but the 2x12 has a bit more bottom end...both amps put out the same power & im sticking with the single speaker cuz it punches me in the chest just what i like....

Im not sure man

to me Metallcia and LSayer have really different tones and distortion levels

[bjovi400]

i played this one at GC, and i have to say, i loved it. i have the 75w spider III, and of course it blows but when i plugged into the 212, i was blown away. seriously, kinda pricey, but still, i wouldnt mind forkin out the cash for it.

[Phe4rTheGod]

acdcrocks0323 wrote:

Or get a used Mesa F series or Mark IV for the same or a little more for a much better sound with the same versatility. I'm just sayin...

except thatz just for the head...Line 6 is the Schecter of amps...affordable and awesome...ppl hating on it prob. dont even play...

[marktuazon]

Phe4rTheGod wrote:

acdcrocks0323 wrote:

Or get a used Mesa F series or Mark IV for the same or a little more for a much better sound with the same versatility. I'm just sayin...

except thatz just for the head...Line 6 is the Schecter of amps...affordable and awesome...ppl hating on it prob. dont even play...

no, more like the squier of amps. have you even played any other tube amps? peavey valveking? not affordable and awesome? i'd say way more than this.

[peever]

what a piece of shit.
actually even the flextones or whatever line 6 goes for 2 grand completely blows.

[FlameIbrah]

I never much liked anything from line 6. they all sound really digital and just lacking UMPH! You can get a decent sound from them, but that's it. a decent sound. If you want a tone that is truly good and all your own, then line 6 is not the way to go.

[H_ngm_n]

played this at guitar center, and then asked to play all the tube combo's in $100 either way of this one, and sadly, the Line 6 whooped all their asses, for 800 bucks, this thing is killer.

[gorp]

i have a Spider III 150 watt 2x12 and the spider cpu thing is awesome and very reliable i have to say line six is really great and extremely versatile i play all forms of rock and blues this thing really owns and i have played the tube version and like the sold state they both absoulutely scream
the tone that line6 has created for this year is amazing.....GET ONE i got mine for 650 and u need to get it straight up is the best deal for the price

[SnoopyKojiApple]

The review is pretty biased but don't hate just because of the Line 6 Spider name.

This amp has pretty good tone. It may not be amazing but it's not bad either. There may be some better options out there depending on what you play, but if you bought this amp dont feel, "aww I bought a piece of junk," because...you didnt.

[the boogieman]

this.....better than a jcm800.....yea ****in right

*rolls eyes*

[phenom1991]

You can't say its better than anything before you try i guess. Im pretty sure this amp is not better than High end marshalls/peaveys/Mesas or ENGLs. It will maybe have better tone but it will still be digital.

[!Schecter!]

Hey dumbass if actually know anything about first act guitars you would know that when they started they built custom guitars for world famous guitar players and they were every bit as good as a gibson. but yeah the whole lets mass produce them thing put them to shit.

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

[KY_GuitarMan]

phenom1991 wrote:

You can't say its better than anything before you try i guess. Im pretty sure this amp is not better than High end marshalls/peaveys/Mesas or ENGLs. It will maybe have better tone but it will still be digital.

Dude, it's not digital. It's tube pre-amp and tube power amp. It's a full tube circuit routed through Line 6's modeling circuit. The tone is so thick and creamy you cut yourself a slice. I've spent the last week rehearsing with it for 4-6 hours every day with my band. We all agree this thing is amazing.

[H_ngm_n]

I'm glad there are some intelligent people posting here now, not a bunch of people who have never tried/heard one talking crap just because its line 6. When you turn this baby up to about 5, the metal channel will literally rip your guts out. Its sounds great fo the price.

[HELLSHREDD]

i did mean to say combo tube amps sorry bout that ..

phenom1991 wrote:

^No other tube amps? LOOOL! Im sorry mate but thats pushing it. It might be good though.

[HELLSHREDD]

But if you are sick of spending thousands to get 1 good tone , then give this a try & sound like slipknot acdc priest metallica slayer or any big band & rip on while the others run 4 effects & keep trading in & all that waste of time thing, been there done itah[/b] wrote:

I never much liked anything from line 6. they all sound really digital and just lacking UMPH! You can get a decent sound from them, but that's it. a decent sound. If you want a tone that is truly good and all your own, then line 6 is not the way to go. [/quote]

[Mikey p]

phenom1991 wrote:

You can't say its better than anything before you try i guess. Im pretty sure this amp is not better than High end marshalls/peaveys/Mesas or ENGLs. It will maybe have better tone but it will still be digital.

If you buy a high end marshall or mesa, for example, your bound to be getting what you pay for. the thing is not many people have that kind of money or even need to buy a Marshall stack or something ridiculous like that.

lets just get this straight for everyone reading this review. This new range of Spider Valve amps are all one hundred percent tube amps. Line 6 has just combined tube amplification with digital effects moddeling to make an extremely versatile amp.

Rant over.

[mcarter@acp-inc]

I agree with this review completely ! I also have over 30 years of playing and have owned about every major brand amp out there including (Mesa Mark IV, Marshall JCM900, 4-peaveys, 2 Fenders, Line6 Spider 30,...) I have been playing a Marshall 30yr anniversary for about 12 yrs and the Spider 30 as a practice amp. Almost all of the amps I have owned sounded good for one or two specific sounds with either a humbucker or a single coil pickup but then you needed an additional effects rig and to adjust the amp to get a decent sound under other situations.
When i first played the 212 at Guitar center it really blew me away. I was concerned that it probably didnt sound as good as I thought it did so I decided I would come back early on the next day with fresh ears. I did that and bought it !
Yes there are 300 presets and lots of them are very similar because they were done by a variety of guitarists that universally want some of the same sounds. You have 36 editable locations that you can copy and tweak the presets or save your own sounds.I have saved a good clean,blues,crunch and lead sound for both type pickups and several more for more specilaized chorus, flange effects.
I like the other owners have only had it about 45 days but it still amazes me everytime I play it.
The Spider Valve is very powerfull and really sounds good turned up unlike the other all solid state line 6 models.
For me this is both the best sounding and most versatile amp I have owned. I plan to keep this one a long time !

[stradivari310]

I wish somebody would review the 112.. although I'm sure it's similar. I tried the head today through a peavey 4x12 cabinet and it sounded fantastic.

[Mikey p]

i bought the 112 last year and it actually sounds really great. the 212 obviously has more headroom, but the 112 has a lot of power for its size. it sounds really full and creamy if you keep it on the floor. it tends to sound less full if you put it on a raised surface like a low desk or something, for some reason.

[jmclen]

I would not discourage anybody from trying this amp out. It is important to understand that even with a modeling amp, there is no swiss army knife guitar amp. This amp is no different. It excels in some areas and leaves something to be desired in others. It has one of the most beautiful, articulate clean sounds I've heard, not unlike the Bogner Shiva. In the past, Line 6 has been able to deliver some decent sounds in the end, but their gear was a horrible experience to play through. This amp really makes playing a Line 6 fun and this is the first time I can admit that. I can't stress enough that this amp may not work for you at all. On the other hand it may be just what you're looking for. BTW, the presets on this are just as horrible as on any line 6, the key to happiness is to start from scratch. Again to me this is a real amp, a Line 6 first, and it should be judged based on its own merit.

[AnalogBob]

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[AnalogBob]

Has anyone tried this amp with single coils? Seems like the people who like this amp use either active pickups or humbucklers of some type. I have an American Deluxe Ash Strat that has the S1 switching system and samarium cobalt pickups.

I’m still working on a good sound, so I haven’t decided to return it as of yet, but it is not looking good because, honestly, I think this thing sounds like crap. Even though it's an all tube amp, it uses digital distortion, and therein lays the problem, in my opinion. Because of all the A/D, D/A conversions going on inside there, I believe most of the tonal qualities that I’m used to hearing from my guitar, which are characteristic of Stratocasters and single-coil pickups in general, are not being faithfully reproduced--not even close. When I’m playing, I get the feeling I’m listening to the radio because there’s something oddly missing from the tone, especially when soloing.

My solid-state 40w Crate sounds better, I think, merely because it uses analog distortion (not to mention the chorus blows away the Spider Valve. WTF is up with the crap chorus on this thing?), which is capable of letting all those overtones and harmonics through, so my Strat sounds like a Strat and not like a piece of sterile, overdriven humbuckling crapola.

Also, I can produce 10 distinct tones via the 5-way and S1 switches when amped by my Crate, but with the Spider Valve they all sound pretty much the same. I can barely tell the difference when I push in the S1 button--all that digital voodoo hoopa-ju needed to make every guitar on the Master of Puppets setting capable of that gain and tone, irregardless of pickup. I bet five different guitars through this Spider Valve would all sound the same. I’m not kidding.

In summary, if you have to sound like every guitarist out there, or if you own a Stratocaster and want it to sound like shit, then this amp is for you! Otherwise, make sure the amp you buy uses analog, not digital distortion.

IMHO

[HELLSHREDD]

You are a tard F0

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

[HELLSHREDD]

I own the 112 & it kicks

stradivari310 wrote:

I wish somebody would review the 112.. although I'm sure it's similar. I tried the head today through a peavey 4x12 cabinet and it sounded fantastic.

[Mikey p]

Analogbob, which Crate amp do you use? surely if you own a solid state amp, isnt EVERYTHING going through your amp going to be A/D, D/A? hence the name solid state, because of the digital amplification etc.? pls explain your comment above.

[Moejoe]

I have just bought one of these amps and I have to say I totaly agree with the review, it is a completely versitile amp. I use a Boss ME-50 for my effects however, so I barely use the pre-installed effects, but the tone and volume you get from this amp is astonishing and totally makes it's worth the money even if you don't intend to use the pre-installed effects, before I bought it I tried Peaveys and Marshalls in the same price range and for me they did not compare for quality, I highly recommend this amp.

[Moejoe]

phenom1991 wrote:

Anyway...you got a RR24 too. Its sweet. Good For line 6 they are finally cleaning up the spider 3 crap and putting some real components into the boxes. I would not use a Spider 3 as toilet paper though. Its not expensive but its horrible sounding. This on the other hand may have gotten better.

I would say it has, I've tried the old spiders and I know what you mean, but this realy does feel differnt!

[Moejoe]

jmclen wrote:

I would not discourage anybody from trying this amp out. It is important to understand that even with a modeling amp, there is no swiss army knife guitar amp. This amp is no different. It excels in some areas and leaves something to be desired in others. It has one of the most beautiful, articulate clean sounds I've heard, not unlike the Bogner Shiva. In the past, Line 6 has been able to deliver some decent sounds in the end, but their gear was a horrible experience to play through. This amp really makes playing a Line 6 fun and this is the first time I can admit that. I can't stress enough that this amp may not work for you at all. On the other hand it may be just what you're looking for. BTW, the presets on this are just as horrible as on any line 6, the key to happiness is to start from scratch. Again to me this is a real amp, a Line 6 first, and it should be judged based on its own merit.

I agree completely, I dont use the pre-sets, I build my own effects on top of the awsome tone and clean sound of this amp and trust me it's still worth the money.

[Moejoe]

One more thing, I've noticed a big difference in finish and build quality with these new amps, much better

[AnalogBob]

Mikey p wrote:

Analogbob, which Crate amp do you use? surely if you own a solid state amp, isnt EVERYTHING going through your amp going to be A/D, D/A? hence the name solid state, because of the digital amplification etc.? pls explain your comment above.

My crate amp is a G40m. And, no, digital is not the same thing as solid-state.

There are 4 common terms you’ll hear when dealing with amplifiers: digital, analog, solid-state, and tube. The Crate is an analog, solid-state amp meaning its distortion is generated via old school analog components like resistors, diodes, transistors, op-amps, etc. That signal is then amplified using large power transistors, which are solid-state components.

On the other hand, the Spider valve is a digital, tube amp. Your guitar signal goes into the amp and then it’s converted to 1’s and 0’s, which sucks. And because it's digital, it samples the guitar signal every few milli or microseconds, which means some of the signal is lost. My argument is that i can actually tell that something is lost because my Stratocaster no longer sounds like one. I think every guitar plugged into this thing would sound the same.

Anyway, I’ve since returned the Spider Valve along with the short board to GC. I just can’t get used to the distortion. It sounds fake to me. Besides, the 40w just wasn’t loud enough. My drummer was drowning me out with the amp turned all the way up.

I’ve since picked up the 100w Peavey Valve King, which uses analog distortion and sound great to me.

But that’s me. Just my opinion.

[DGriffin91]

^ AnalogBob wrote: "The Crate is an analog, solid-state amp meaning its distortion is generated via old school analog components like resistors, diodes, transistors, op-amps"

Uh, distortion in analog tube amps is created by tubes clipping (ie overdrive), distortion in old pedals like the boss DS1 is done not by tubes but not digitally either.

[AnalogBob]

DGriffin91 wrote:

Uh, distortion in analog tube amps is created by tubes clipping (ie overdrive), distortion in old pedals like the boss DS1 is done not by tubes but not digitally either.

Yeah, but what you don’t understand is, the signal that is being clipped is no longer your guitar signal as it was converted to digital (1’s and 0’s) by the analog to digital converter (A/D), if it is even being clipped at all like what happens in normal tube and solid-state (transistor) amps. I seriously doubt it is. I think the distortion is just a computer effect that is being incorporated into the mix, like the chorus, echo, etc. How else could they possibly MODEL different vintage amps? The modeling computer, using software and processors to mimic various amps, creates it digitally.

Tube and solid-state amplifiers are designed the same way, basically. Solid-state amplifiers use transistors in the preamp and power amp, whereas tube amplifiers use tubes. That’s not to say there are no transistors in a tube amp, but the preamp and power amp are always tubes…unless it’s a hybrid, of course. Tubes and transistors perform the same function in a circuit, but in a different way. Tubes are made of glass with a filament; transistors are made of semi-conducting material. Both tubes and transistors are analog components, just like speakers and transformers and capacitors and inductors and pickups and all the other items I mentioned are ALL analog components. Any device in an electronic circuit that does not convert the signal into a digital signal (1’s and 0’s) is an analog device, in a nutshell. Most guitar amps and pedals, up until recently when all this modeling crap came out, were all analog devices.

But just because an amp has tubes (analog) in it does not mean its distortion is analog. Just the opposite in the case of the Spider Valve.

I wish I had not bought the Valve King 212 as Peavey is coming out with a new modeling amp called the Vyper that will, in fact, have ANALOG distortion. The modeling only comes into play if you want effects like chorus, echo (not sure about reverb), etc added in.

[HELLSHREDD]

You are a tard ya jacarse , why dont you go blow a goat.

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

[HELLSHREDD]

Just to say that Anal-Log-BOB up there is like the Dr.PHIL of amps folks, LMAO.

[Mikey p]

yeh anal log bob is really goin crazy with his facts...

anyway i love this amp so there!

[Big-loco32]

I like it! Wait, I love it! So many possibilities! A little tricky to learn, but knowing it makes it even better. This baby can scream, cry, talk, and possibly do backflips if your not careful.

[trev22]

I love mine....the only problem would be if i didnt get the FBV shortboard footpedal with it....without out it, theres absolutely no way u can change channels/effects. and it would b better if u could change how overpowering the modulation effects are, as you can with delays

[tom_martin_123]

i reli want one. i played on one in my local shop a few days ago and i think it sounds amazing.

[gargeleous]

Has anybody tried to get good SRV or Hendrix tone with this?

[guitargod1965]

This amp is absolutely incredible. I am not overstating, just giving the facts. I have a really hard time finding an amp that satisfies a variety of tones that I want, but this does the trick. I would buy another one in a heartbeat.

[guitargod1965]

If you really want to blow your head off, dial in the "Sinus" preset and go nuts. It is a total blast and sounds incredible.

[guitargod1965]

by the way, I plug a jackson DK 1 with EMG's into this and it tears your guts out on the insane setting.
The Riggs Insane preset is a growling, screaming terror.

Does anyone know a good Crowbar setting on this amp?

[guitargod1965]

this is my last comment for now...I played my tony Iommi Epi through this amp with an alternate tuning (c#) and utilized the Riggs insane preset with minor modifications and it just growled like a caged demon. Absolutely hot...

[OhOne]

Actually, I liked AnalogBob's rundown of tube vs solid state vs digital, factual and concise. But if his Spider Valve wasn't getting loud enough, I wonder if there wasn't something wrong with the input stage, which would be really bad with single coils. I use a Spider 30 as a practice amp and my biggest complaint is that when I turn down my guitar volume, the tone does not clean up properly. I'm guessing the SV would have the same problem.

[Wheelchair Stan]

i love the fact that everyone is bashing this for its "inferior tone" and "shitty quality". guess what guys, not everyone has 3000 dollars to spend of top of the line mesa, marshall, hughes &ketner amps etc. for what its worth this is an excellent amp for a beginner-intermediate player of a relatively tight budget. and the distortion isn't nearly as bad as anyone says it is. its got a great low end (this anit no sales pitch i actually tried it) and for what its made for, it does the job. besides, what are you purist blues/jazz whatevver guys doing looking at line 6 for anyway? did you honestly expect to get vintage marshall quality out of this? i sure hope not or else your stupider than you look.

[L-Roberts91]

This amp sounds way to cool to be true, what with a spider style set out, and valves, i dont care what people say, this sounds like it could be the best for its price. but still, can't get over the previous spider models, so ive booked a test in a few weeks. im sure it'l rock.

[L-Roberts91]

Wheelchair Stan wrote:

i love the fact that everyone is bashing this for its "inferior tone" and "shitty quality". guess what guys, not everyone has 3000 dollars to spend of top of the line mesa, marshall, hughes &ketner amps etc. for what its worth this is an excellent amp for a beginner-intermediate player of a relatively tight budget. and the distortion isn't nearly as bad as anyone says it is. its got a great low end (this anit no sales pitch i actually tried it) and for what its made for, it does the job. besides, what are you purist blues/jazz whatevver guys doing looking at line 6 for anyway? did you honestly expect to get vintage marshall quality out of this? i sure hope not or else your stupider than you look.

Exactly. Best for price.

[L-Roberts91]

This amp doesn't have a headphone jack - correct? if so damn, have to keep my s**tty MG50 ¬_¬

[ridleyredraider]

I don't understand why anyone would buy or compare this amp to a valveking when valveking's have that "SUCK BALLS" mode on it that you can't turn off. suck balls mode...

[mp3stalin]

UG has a collective boner for VK's. they're really not bad... just i mean comeon. the are what they are. the cheapest tube amp.

[Andy Axe]

AnalogBob - do you listen to CDs. If yes then everything you hear is 0s and 1s. The Line 6 valve converts the guitar signal to digital and then adjusts it ,according to your settings on the amp, then converts it back to analogue. That signal is then put through both stages of tube amplification, so guess what the distortion created by the tubes is analogue. The only argument here is if you prefer valve distortion or transistor. If you prefer a Peavey Valve king or a crate then your analogue ears need checking.

[HELLSHREDD]

where is the Hd-100 spidervalve review ffs?

[truthfulhero]

korinaflyingv wrote:

imo, apart from the crunch channel, this amp is a masterpiece.

The crunch channel is painful for humbuckers but I borrowed a friends Telecaster which contains an active bass/treble boost. On the crunch channel with the gain pretty high and the bridge pickup running (with or without the treble boost) sounds incredible.

P.S. To all those saying "How long have you been working for Line 6, if you had played this amp, you would understand why we have nothing but praise for it. As mentioned in my review, I bought this over amps 5 times the price and have not looked back. There is nothing bad about this amp!

[bluesman89]

I cannot belive that a modelling amp could be considered over things as the fender twin, or a bluesbreaker for tone!! no matter how good you may think it sounds, you are never going to beat the equipment made to do the job with a machine that is modelling...no way, it would be like saying a photograph is better than actually seeing something cz the camera is awsome, just doesnt work. it may be a great package but im not swayed at all!

[psss]

line 6 arnt a bad amp dont get me wrong but... why not just get the real thing i mean they are just trying to emulate other amps

[theoreticmusic]

[quote.TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....[/quote]

wow. mommy should have taught you how to spell before she cut you loose on the interweb. and, for the record, comparing first act to gibson is completely ludicrous. it's fallacious logic meant to undermine the review and detract from the original point of the argument (although i'm sure you didn't know that), which is that the spider valve apparently sucks, which isn't true. its actually a great amp. maybe not a JCM 900, but that doesnt mean you can buy it at walmart, you should know that, considering that you're probably doomed to spend the rest of your life working there.

[RoaryB.]

niguitars.com wrote:

how long have you been working for line 6?

Haha, my thought exactly. I'm thinkin about buying the 100W head version, but i need to try one out first. Also, i'm kinda scared i'll end up reliant on presets and crap, and not have a proper ear for tone. i dont know if that's just me being stupid....

[EnyoAdonai]

I have to say that line6's are good practice amps, but I haven't seen anybody gig with one before.

if you want a good practice tube amp just get an epi valve junior - its 5w but it costs about as much as the groceries.

[dj_argel]

lo podriais poner en español pa ke lo entienda???

[dj_argel]

jaja era broma opino igual que stradivari310 pero no estoy seguro de si es la mejor eleccion... la verdad es que nunca he probado uno de estos pero por lo que me han dicho malos no son y encima me han dado este modelo como prioridad y la verdad es que no me desagrada para nada

[HeavyMetalHokie]

a lot of you guys are trashing this amp but how many of you have honestly played the thing. i dont like line 6 solid state stuff either but these tube amps are awesome. any people are saying that marshalls and peaveys are better, but both of those brands make some awaful amps to (MG series) so dont judge becaues you heard some crappy spider 3.

[Mikey p]

btw, not to sound 'noobish' or anything, but what person/band is the RIGGS channel meant to be? it sounds cool but i dont know who uses it! plx help

[RhoadsLivesOn]

I wonder how many of the people who say this thing sucks because it is a Line 6 and not a Mesa or Marshall have actually played it. I used to HATE Line 6, I didn't like the Spider II at all. I play through a Fender Hot Deluxe, I love it and would never trade it in for this amp...but I must admit I was blown away when I plugged into this thing, not only does this have more presets than stuff like the old Spiders, but they actually sound pretty good. I played a Semi-Hollow Telecaster, a Les Paul, and a Jackson RR3 through this thing and the tone of each guitar shone through. I could never say that about the Spiders which might any guitar sound sterile on the clean channel and just noisy on the insane channel. For the price this thing is unmatched in versatility, I'd still take a simple amp like my Hot Rod or a Traynor Blue over this thing, but if you like effects, this thing will save you so much money and will spare you the trouble of having a pedalboard.

[ash_attack]

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "
you just proved your ignorance, just because first act sells their crappy series at wal mart doesnt mean they dont make quality instruments, check out their website sometime
Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

[ash_attack]

ash_attack wrote:

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

whoops


you just proved your ignorance, just because first act sells their crappy series at wal mart doesnt mean they dont make quality instruments, check out their website sometime

[Mikey p]

Come on people! i ask a simple question (see 3 posts above) and people still decide to bang on about whether this amp is amazing or not! Just someone tell me which artist is the Riggs channel meant to be? (and on a very hypocritical note, this amp is very good and is not representative of previous Spider Line 6 series.)

[BlisteringDDj]

Yeah, you guys are way too close minded! Most of you haven't even tried these amps. I promise you, these amp is one of the best in it's price range. Trust me! It can't be compared to any other Line 6 amplifiers, like the Spider III. Amp modelling + full tube = win! This amp can easily be put next to Marshall, Peavey and Fender. It's definitely the most versatile amp I have ever tried in my whole life (so far of course). I was thinking about getting a Classic 30, but after trying this beast out for a couple of mintues, I made up my mind. I soon have the money to get one, can't wait!!

[thelonesoldier]

Analog Bob is an idiot, if he actually tried the amp at all. At the very least, he blathered a lot of blatantly false nonsense while trying to sound intelligent.

First, the high range of volume on this amp is extremely excessive - no chance in hell that he couldn't get it loud enough.

Secondly, Bob didn't bother to research his speculation about the amp's distortion. The amp is an actual tube amp - the distortion is not entirely "computer effect". While I'd expect the modelling can incorporate digital distortion, it's obvious at decent volume levels that this is more than an artificial signal - the amp offers genuine analog sound if you set it right.

The signal certainly isn't so degraded that all guitars will sound the same. Of course at high distortion the differences are scarcely notable, but this is because the overdriven sound masks some of the tonal difference between guitars. You need to get over your fear of "1s and 0s" Bob... ever listen to an MP3? Those are compressed digital data, but they don't all sound the same.

Seriously, Bob, if had that much difficulty with this amp, I wonder if you were having trouble adjusting the knobs.

[Johnny Quest]

i tried this amp in the store, it's ok but not that great.

[BlisteringDDj]

Johnny Quest wrote:

i tried this amp in the store, it's ok but not that great.

You tried it in the store, so you didn't try the volume...

[scott316]

i play a PRS, I have a Marshall valve amp, i have tons of expensive pedals etc. my point is, i seek tone, and don't scrimp on it. i played the Spider Valve for 2 hours in guitar guitar with pre-conceived ignorance from reading on threads from this site, and most of you are talking total bollocks. its a good amp. only ppl that can criticise are guys who can afford £2000 amps, then you are in a different market. easy to use, easy to get a good tone from, FX are very good, versatility is awesome. Imagine you use a 2 amp setup, a tube blows from your main amp hooked to your board, that baby could save your skin and you'd still have all your FX without need for your fx board. if you think the Valve King is better you're talking shite. any Megadeth lovers slating it ? the main man uses signature pre-amps from Line 6, covering all his overdrive tones, ALL his fx etc. and to say a Peavey Vyper will be better, rubbish, how they gonna make a better modelling amp when Line 6 are pioneering it ?? they're jumping on the line 6 bandwagon to attract fools who think that.

[eetfuk58]

the first review said he chose this over a "krank revolution and a mesa boogie dual rectifier"

dumbass.

[Led Hed Lefty]

well i would say its a pretty good idea. i was excited....extremely excited when i first heard about it...but then i played it and i was very disappointed...yeah i got a few okay tones but nothing extremely awesome....all the proccesing on this is amp powerful i guess, but there are so many different sounds that the sound gets watered down and lacks in one area or another...i bought a

B-52 AT-100 212

it is amazingly versitile and has amazing tone for only 500 bucks...the spider valve is almost 700 big ones and it is nowhere near as powerful and full as my B-52....its just a thing that you would have to need 300 different sounds for it to be worth the buy in my opinion....but all that aside....it is pretty good for what it is.....except it is a bit pricy

[strat0blaster]

Line 6 is always something I stay away from as a general rule, but Bogner...

We'll see. I'll have to play one.

[nutinpwnsgibson]

the first guy chose this over a jcm900? what is he smoking?

[xXChimairaXx]

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

"I'd easily put this amp up there with Marshall, Mesa, and Fender. Actually, buying this amp gives you all 3 of those amps plus more at only $830! "

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

Line6 is total trash?! Megadeth and Metallica beg to differ.

Just another kid throwing up in the posts.

[steel337]

I played one for awhile at Sam Ash. I'm quite disappointed in the sound it makes because to my ears, I still hear that digital-ness in all of the amp models. Something just doesn't sound right with it. I was playing an EC-1000 with EMG's through it, and I was not happy with any of the sounds besides the high gain models. This is probably because of the EMGs though, as they sound horrible in anything besides metal (my opinion of course).

I then went to play a Peavey Classic 30, and I was blown away at how much better the cleans sounded. I then played a JSX, and boy did it sound WAY better tahn the spider valve.

[H_ngm_n]

Did you try to play metal on that classic 30? Did you turn the gain up past 6 and listen to that muddy pile of shit? Did you see the price tag on the JSX?

The point of this amp is to do everything very well, not to be amazing at all of these things. And it is also set so normal people can afford the damn thing.

[bob7318]

Most ridiculus claim i have ever heard....thats like saying First Act is right up there with Gibson...Totaly ludicris....

Ummmmm have you played a les Paul lately??? Junk if you ask me. I went to buy one and play about 12 of them and walked away disappointed. By the way First act makes some very good guitars endorsed by some very quality players. Check your facts. I own this amp and have had it now for about 6 months I gig every weekend and played through a Rocktron VooDoo Valve pre-amp and VHT 2/90/2 power amp through a 4x12 cab with vintage 30's as you know the VHT is rated as the best in the business. But now I am playing only this amp. Much lighter to get around and easier to set up plus I can get the same if not better tone on many settings. Not a huge fan of the effects on it because of lack of control they aren't bad though overall this amp is solid and full of tone as a tube amp should be. I hated line 6 stuff before a buddy at a music store talked me into trying this one. Definitely not you average line 6 crapp. They (line 6) are also coming out with an all tube Bogner amp without the spider preamp. Just all tube tone. Can't wait to try that. And for analogbob I worked for St Louis Music for nearly 10 years and helped design your Crate amp and to be honest I wouldn't give you a plug nickel for it as with most crate amps the distortion is modeled off of Marshall. A snapshot of the distorted signal is taken from a Marshall and then the Crate distortion is designed to have that same waveform. Not digital mind you but modeled all the same. The spider valve actually uses the preamp tubes and allows you to drive them into distortion the modeling takes place in the tone section of the amp where EQ normally takes place then on to the power amp section. I did a lot of research and played a lot of amps looking for something in a combo I would like and this was all that is out there worth listening to. The new Mesa's are flat sounding the new Peavey Modelers are horrible. There is a difference between loud and tone. Sure the Mesa can get loud and the Krank can get loud and the Peavey valve can get loud hell my VHT was loud that doesn't mean it sounds good loud. All I am saying I don't bash it just because it is line 6 because I used to think the same way try it first then if you feel the need bash it.

[Dreaming-V]

TDAJGuitarist wrote:

HELLSHREDD wrote:

I have owned the 40 watt 1x12 spidervalve for a couple months now & the only thing not good on this amp is the crunch channel , 2 me it sounds like shit through EMG p-ups. Everything else on this amp is pure delight, if you are into metal dont waste your time & go try this out , you will be fully blown away , there are 2 settings for metal & my favorite is the yellow metal setting 2 me it sounds like pure metallica & slayerish. I did pick up the FBV shortboard just to feel even more spoiled & its so nice.Check out my set up in my pics & tell me if you like...If this amp were stolen & i caught the dude who stole it would burn on the cross in my back-yard, there are truly no othere tube amps that could come close to this amp ,,Once again go try it & another thing ive heard is that ive heard people say that they thought they could get better tone out of the 1x12 speaker rather than 2x12, but the 2x12 has a bit more bottom end...both amps put out the same power & im sticking with the single speaker cuz it punches me in the chest just what i like....

ANYTHING Mesa makes is better...Same with Marshall....And Peavey....And Huges & Ketter....And Most Randall's....And pretty much all other brands...Because Line 6 is trash...tubes or not.

$$$$$

[mafropetee]

Honestly, this amp is quite amazing. I think the guys at Line 6 and Bogner have found a nearly perfect blend of digital and analog. I've tried just about every mainstream amp out there, and for the price it's hard to beat this one, especially when it comes to versatility. Every time I go to Sam Ash I always end up playing on the Spider Valve stack the most, aside from the untouchable H&K Tritone, but that's WAY out of my price range.

[Bletic]

TDAJGuitarist wrote:
ANYTHING Mesa makes is better...Same with Marshall....And Peavey....And Huges & Ketter....And Most Randall's....And pretty much all other brands...Because Line 6 is trash...tubes or not.

Lets not jump on the Line 6 bandwagon so fast. these amps are pretty damn amazing if u get the time to actually use it and stuff. Duh there are better amps out there, but this is good for the budget its set at.