Wednesday Question: Band That Never Outdid Its Debut Album

Name a group whose first album is their absolute pinnacle....

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For this week's traditional Wednesday Question, we'd like to kindly ask you folks to focus on bands whose first albums are their absolute musical pinnacles and answer this:

Which band never outdid its first album?

Needless to say, the given group (or artist) needs to have more than one effort in its opus.

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    james182
    Spice Girls
    GR84
    I'm actually serious when I ask this, is this a joke answer or is the 1st Spice Girl record that good? Hmm...
    SouthernRock70
    Boston
    travislausch
    "Don't Look Back" was almost as good as their debut album, "Third Stage" was also a really good album, but everything afterwards... ehhhhn.
    Kurk_Omelet
    Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
    Karelitos
    They had so much potential...
    N7Crazy
    I dunno, A Weekend in the City and Four were pretty great as well, though neither managed to outshine Silent Alarm.
    Octodrop
    Yeah, that one is gold, then a couple good albums after it, and the new one is really bad.
    Maiden95
    Van Halen. Their catalog is great with a lot of awesome songs, but that first album is perfect and as a whole album, they never got convincingly close to it after.
    Iceman10129
    Fair Warning is pretty damn close
    Maiden95
    I think the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th VH records are all great but I hold Van Halen 1 to a higher standard. It breathes different air.
    Iceman10129
    You could say the same about Black Sabbath then.
    troyofyort
    Paranoid is better than s/t.
    EntropicDiscord
    Master of Reality Vol. 4 Sabotage Paranoid Sabbath Bloody Sabbath S/T IMO Sabbath got so much better when Iommi started lowering the tuning, up until when Ozzy was on so much drugs the band couldn't function. I can't rank Dio in there because to me they are two different bands.
    Maiden95
    Nah. No disrespect. Credit where credit is due. The first Sabbath record is not only the blue print, but it's great regardless. However, by my own listening habits, I rank Paranoid, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and Heaven and Hell above it. I love that this Wednesday Question allows us to talk in depth on albums. That's my favorite music discussion topic.
    StarryEyes81
    I'm a dieheard Roth-era VH fan. And that debut changed my life. But Van Halen II is the best for me. I found that it's one of those albums where...you might not even notice how insane it is, until you've played it quite a few times. Debut is killer though, no doubt.
    Maiden95
    VH2 is entirely underrated. I do love it as well, just not quite as much.
    andy32296
    The Strokes.
    GR84
    I cant believe that i didn't think of this, great choice sir, while i think they have some great tunes on other albums, this is a bonified classic that they were never able to capture again
    Supersonic1
    Yup. I love The Strokes, and (to me, at least) Room On Fire was on par with Is This It. Never outdid it though.
    d.floresumana
    Black Tide
    DimeBatteryDrrl
    i came here to write exactly this!!!! their first album was something divine... makes me sad we don't have more
    james182
    Rage Against the Machine
    Gibson_SG_uzr55
    I honestly have to disagree. Evil Empire is on the same level as their self-titled debut, and Battle of Los Angeles in my opinion is even better.
    N-D
    For me "The Battle of Los Angeles" is their best, with "Evil Empire" is as good as their debut. But anyway all of their albums are great.
    im not mental
    I was prepared to say RATM too. The rest of the albums were great as well, but they never topped their debut.
    Kilerek
    I love RATM, in my humble their every album is fantastic, although their debut is the best. It just seems a little unfair to use term "never outdid" because rest of their work is also top-notch.
    andrew.kyle.351
    The Darkness
    peppersghost08
    Rob Zombie, with Hellbilly Deluxe. He's still making solid songs nowadays, but nothing has managed to touch that first solo release post-White Zombie.
    goremetal22
    Guns N' Roses
    dewitt
    Even though I think this fits the question, I don't feel like it deserves the medal. Lies and Use Your Illusion are both great (I know Lies is more like a double EP).
    Glass_Ceiling
    Guns N' Roses case is complicated AFD is the best debut album ever. It's a no contest here. So, it could be easy to say that nothing after that could outdo it and that would be the easy way. But we have to take some things in perspective. They made it big in the USA with AFD. But UYI is definitely what made them gain planetary and HUGE success.
    Maiden95
    You bring up an interesting point with AfD and where it ranks among debut records. I'm not convinced it's the greatest debut ever. It's certainly up there, I'd put it ahead of debuts from Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Metallica. However there's some fat that could have been trimmed off of it. Not saying there are bad songs on it because there aren't, but had Appetite been 43-45 minutes long, it would be undoubtedly the greatest debut ever I would still have to put the first Van Halen and Jimi Hendrix Experience records above it. Now, the case of AfD vs the Illusion albums.. You're very right. The Illusion records made them stadium titans globally. But does that make them better albums, or even just as good? I think there is a good amount of filler on both Illusions, of course to go along with the fucking UNBELIEVABLY good tracks like Coma, Estranged, Right Next Door To Hell. You can say the same about Metallica's Black Album
    Glass_Ceiling
    It was (don't know if it's still is) the best selling debut album ever in the US (not worldwide). Best is subjective, I should have said 'best selling'. If Illusions are better than Appetite or not, well... I can't tell, really. I love those albums so much I wouldn't even try to judge. Now, sales. Should we combine Illusion I & II or not ? Combined, Illusions records sold 35 million units. Appetite sold 30 million units. Appetite outdoes both Illusion albums if we count them as 2 separate albums. Told you so... GNR is a complicated case
    Maiden95
    I've heard many times that Destruction is indeed the highest selling debut of all time. A few years ago I heard 15-16 million, not too long ago I heard 20 million, 25 million. etc. Either way, you can't combine sales for both Illusion records. That would be cheating. They put em out as two lol. Oh well, I don't know why we are comparing AfD and UyI when Spaghetti Incident clearly trounces both.
    I-Am-The-Man
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    goremetal22
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    dewitt · Oct 05, 2016 04:07 PM
    shackleford462
    Wrong. Shannon Hoon was on the double albums, and his contribution was the best thing that lame-ass band ever had.
    kobochok
    I strongly agree - every and each song from Appetite sounds awesome and really self-sufficient, and I can't say the same about Illusion album
    DrCOOL
    Huge GNR fan and I agree. Both UYI are great and even if Lies is only and EP it's good. But they never outdid Appetite. That album captured something that they never could fully harness again.
    Phaneron
    Candlebox
    sliwko
    Candlebox was the first band I thought of. Great first album everything after was meh to terrible.
    Phaneron
    Happy Pills had some pretty good tracks, though. 10,000 Horses is probably my favorite song of theirs.
    westley23j
    Into the Sun was pretty killer. id put that up there with their self titled, imo.
    rollertide09
    N.W.A
    RosetaStoned351
    If you're talking about Straight Outta Compton, then that's not their first album.
    rollertide09
    I'm assuming you are referring to N.W.A. and the Posse, which is a record of Dr. Dre produced tracks that was marketed as N.W.W but also had tracks by Fila Fresh and Rappinstine, associated with N.W.A, yes but not N.W.A's debut studio effort.
    Safesound
    Maroon 5
    Voodoochile711
    THIS. Maroon 5's first album was fantastic and a breath of fresh air for the music scene as it stood then. It was unique. Then, almost immediately, they sunk back into the mire of uninspired and indistinguishable pop music.
    Phaneron
    Seether
    fokkertism
    Do you mean Disclaimer II or their "real", South Africa-only debut, Fragile?
    Phaneron
    I meant Disclaimer. I guess I forgot about Fragile, but they released that under the name Saron Gas, so maybe that can be a technicality.
    SCopeland24
    Living Colour - Vivid
    eriml
    I only downloaded that album a few months ago because all I knew was Cult of Personality and damn is it an epic album, too bad I only just decided to listen to it.
    karschnyphilip
    Linkin Park (even though I do have to admit that I like the Hunting Party more than Hybrid Theory, but most on here would probably disagree.)
    the_bi99man
    Huge fan of Hunting Party here, but yeah. Hybrid Theory is THE Linkin Park album.
    karschnyphilip
    The thing about Hunting Party is that it sounds way heavier and rawer than everything else by Linkin Park. Also, Brad Delson actually plays some legit lead guitar on there. The production was also a bit rawer (Rick Rubin really didn't do a great job with the production on the previous stuff) Hybrid Theory on the other hand, has awesome riffs and some catchy choruses, as well as the blend of Alt Rock and Rap working really well.
    GR84
    I've listened to Hunting Party, and struggle to get through it, am I missing something?
    Cheetoz1
    Damn beat me to it, Hybrid theory is the album that made me a metalhead and brought me into music! I know people from all genre's but every1 likes Hybrid theorie
    robo37
    I hated Hunting Party but I still think their 2nd and 3rd albums were better than their 1st.
    travislausch
    Mudvayne "L.D.50" was one of the greatest albums ever to be lumped into the "nu-metal" scene, and nothing they did afterwards really matched it. Edit: That's if you consider that album their "true" debut album, anyway, since they don't really acknowledge "Kill, I Oughtta"
    N-D
    Also if we're talking about nu-metal, then I think we need to mention the next band: Drowning Pool After the Dave Williams's death the band never topped the "Sinner"'s success.
    N-D
    Great call!.. Then I try to nominate the next band, while it'll be arguable to someone - but their debut was their most sincere work: Slipknot
    travislausch
    I don't think Slipknot has ever released a bad album, though, and their debut is actually the one I listen to the least. Maybe I'm in the minority though, I dunno
    imbatman1312
    The debut feels like the ultimate slipknot album. It's dark, heavy, features rap songs and has the creepy samples. None of their later albums (though still great) gave me the same feeling tbe first one does
    henrihell
    For me that's the opposite. I think on the debit and vol.3 they were "too odd". I like the elements that made them odd but there was just too much of it for me. For me .5 is probably the best, closely followed by Iowa.
    Random3
    Bullet For My Valentine
    paulstfu
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    nathandavis87
    I actually prefer SAF to The Poison myself. Still I'd have to say both are near legendary... their other releases not so much.
    AdrZero
    Scream Aim Fire was a commercial success, but the first one is the best
    paulstfu
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    paulstfu · Oct 05, 2016 05:55 PM
    nathandavis87
    The newest one is a step in the right direction. Still they need to walk about a mile to get back to where they were so here's to hoping.
    eriml
    sure, it is. But with Matt's vocal problem and some very weak songs it not better than The Poison. The Poison is strong from start to finish, even the EPs they made in that era (Hand of Blood, My Fist, Seven Days)
    Sauerkraut1337
    The Poison may not have Waking the Demon, Raising Hell and Hearts Burst into Fire, but it has Tears don't Fall, 4 Words to choke upon, All these things, Hit the Floor,... damn you're right
    chrismikael17
    I did not enjoy the first album as much as Scream Aim Fire. I think they had a more diffrent sound then other bands at that album. I dont want a feel of what I have already heard, I want a feel of something new. I am sorry, but I like Scream Aim Fire by far more.
    DreamGate
    This. 'Cries in Vain', 'Spit you out', and 'Suffocating under words of sorrow'. Really some of the best materials they put out. still keep under shuffle in my phone between stuff like Symphony x, Opeth, Augury etc even though my metalcore phase is long gone lol
    Lee Medd
    Venom was pretty close though if not just as good as the poison
    nathandavis87
    I'd say it ties or slightly edges out Fever for third. The riffs from SAF really do it for me and are the things among a few others that made me want to learn guitar in the first place.
    Betawolf
    Came to post this. Debut album was the best. I wish they'd get back to it. More harmonies, more of a Maiden feel.
    jhaneline
    Idk, Venom is doing really well and those songs are just as great live as the ones on The Poison
    Gibson_SG_uzr55
    Yeah. Their other albums except for Temper Temper are solid albums, but The Poison was and still is awesome.
    Spinnerweb
    I love all their albums a great deal, even Temper Temper. Fever, Scream Aim Fire and Venom are amazing 10/10 records. But The Poison was so inspired that it'd be hard for ANY band to outdo it.
    MikeBTE
    Pearl Jam
    Vicryl 2.0
    VS and Ten are like on same level. well IMO... oh and Vitalogy too. i think Pearl Jam was consistent from Ten to Yield.
    Funnyname99
    Vs was a solid album, but it's not a classic. Ten is one of the Best Rock records of that generation - Pearl Jam never met that high again, but they went on to do exactly what they wanted, so it's all okay.
    Merge
    Pearl Jam was the first band that came to my mind. I don't think they've ever topped "Ten".
    Toly18
    Unfortunately for Pearl Jam, Ten was probably one of the most solid albums of all time. None of those tracks are fillers, they're all memorable in their own right. Not to say their other stuff wasn't great, I'm a huge PJ fan but nothing they've put out since had the depth or the impact that Ten did.
    XcessFiber
    what nonsense...Yield is the best fucking album..all songs are 10/10..
    ehbacon
    I fucking hate push me/pull me. Like I understand what he's trying to say with it but my god what an awful song (imo of course). I did a full guitar cover of yield for a youtube video and hated having to learn that song lol
    scottishmob
    I personally like other albums more - but I must say that every time I listen to Yield I'm totally and utterly taken with it. Me listening to Yield: "Well, it's not VS, but there is some good uptempo stuff on it... whoa I forgot how good Brain of J is... and another good song. Jesus this next one is a highlight too. Again and again... and... I'M IN HIIIIIDIIIIIAAAAANNNNG"
    andyrim
    You should all try listening to their other albums properly you bandwagon jumping bunch of sheep!!
    starfire666
    imho best debut album of all times... the other albums are great as well, but this one is absolutely stellar...
    momo_512
    Machine Head - Burn My Eyes Perfect first album (only album that reach this awesomeness is The Blackening, but I prefer Burn My Eyes)
    RosetaStoned351
    I think The More Things Change tops them both actually, it has a much cooler atmosphere and it's their only straight up Groove Metal album, but still sounds very different from Pantera. Chris Kontos' performance on BME was incredible, but Dave McClain's on TMTC is even better. Listen to the first half of Struck A Nerve, his drums is so tight on that song that it almost rivals Gene Hoglan.
    jnfeaste
    The Killlers.
    jman99
    Hot Fuss is easily their most unfocused album. Sam's Town, Day & Age, and Battle Born are all thematically better and the songs stick with you more. Hot Fuss has some catchy singles but I think it's their worst album (which means its still a great album!)
    GeriatricNinja
    Although they have released lots of great stuff, I'd say King Crimson.
    bogdanpetreminut
    Even though I upvoted, I'd say Red is just as good. Also a lot of their discography is comparable to the first one. Mr. Fripp may be a god... may.
    LadyWhiskey
    I think almost every King Crimson album is exceptional, so it's hard to say that one is better than the others, they're all great, just different, so for me it wolud be a matter of personal taste ( my favorite for example is Red ).
    k0stil
    it was almost a different band every album. I dont have a favorite but i think its Red because its from my favorite lineup - wetton led era was the best and technical
    IvyRock
    Ozzy
    momo_512
    For me Diary Of A Madman is just as good... It's like if people said metallica, when the first 4 albums are all perfect, and it's not really the purpose of the list...
    troyofyort
    He almost outdid it with No More Tears, but him and Randy's magic was undeniable on Blizzard.
    GR84
    Counting Crows, "August and everything after" - classic example
    sharpefather
    Gravity Kills
    robo37
    This. They were billed as "the next Nine Inch Nails" but faded into obscurity after their subsequent albums failed to deliver.
    sharpefather
    Totally. I love the debut album. It rocks from start to finish, but the followup albums missed the mark and the band faded away.
    TheEraserhead
    Weezer
    ZanderOfPuppets
    Certainly debatable. I would say Pinkerton is on the same level. I often flip flop on which album I think is better.
    dewitt
    I'm surprised this is at +2. I agree with this completely, but it seems like most people think Pinkerton is the best.
    rukuus
    bang on. Pinkterton was good, but it was no Blue album. Nothing since (maaaaybe maladroit) has even come close
    PoloSG68
    I think that all depends on how much you like Pinkerton... Commercially speaking though they never outdid it, and I think a lot of people put Blue above Pinkerton. The later albums don't often come close to the first two, apart from Green and the latest offerings.
    GR84
    No one will ever agree with me but, Maladroit is the one I listen to the most (have ya'll listened to Rivers' guitar work on that one?), honestly they were all solid until the Red album.
    ElScorcho96
    IMO Pinkerton is slightly better, it may be less successful and less polished than the blue album but it still seems better than it to me
    blackone666
    Mayhem
    irs8686
    Very true. De Mysteriis Don Sathanas is fantastic. Nothing else has been as ground breaking or influential
    chrismikael17
    Deathcrush was their first album, but Live In Leipzig was better then De Mysteriis Don Sathanas. The only reason I have is because Dead was by far better.
    EntropicDiscord
    The guys in the band consider Deathcrush to be a mini album not an EP. Anyway Live In Leipzig is better b/c Attila's vocal style was never suited to Mayhem. They really should have followed up Deathcrush with a mini EP of the few songs that would later be on Dom Mysteriis that have studio versions with Dead on vocals.
    iommi600
    The Shins
    GR84
    I've actually progressively liked each release better than the previous as released, but the 1st is a classic, and caused "indie pop rock" to just freakin sky rocket!
    Phaneron
    A Perfect Circle. I love all their albums but Mer de Noms is still their best.
    RosetaStoned351
    I disagree, Thirteenth Step has more standout songs. I mean, it has The Package, Gravity, The Noose, Pet & The Outsider. Mer De Noms only has two songs that reach that same level; Judith and The Hollow.
    eriml
    looks like we have an Unpopular opinion haha as much as I love Orestes and Tres Libras I prefer Pet, Outsider and Noose
    kurt_cobain9
    Puddle of Mudd
    deathx88
    Bush Surprised no one mentioned them. Their first album was 6x platinum and had at least 5 major hits on it.
    Guytarist38
    Meat Loaf maybe too. Even if BOOH2 was quite badass.
    Dynamight
    Watchtower Honorable mentions: R.E.M. Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force
    franciscanv
    Could argue Guns N Roses. Use Your Illusions were amazing, but did they outdo Appetite?
    TheKid34
    I'm a huge GNR fan and I completely ageee. UYIs were good but a complete different direction from AFD, don't think they could outdo AFD if they tried at the time. Axl even said when making the Illusions that he had to bury Appetite because they couldn't recreate that
    XeroSnake
    Can't agree with R.E.M.. Fables of Reconstruction, Monster, Green are a lot more solid than Murmur IMO.
    N7Crazy
    As not to mention Automatic For the People, which many consider their magnum opus
    GR84
    I love that you mentioned Monster, nobody talks about that fantastic piece of work anymore, its such a unique album in their catalog, and I really enjoy the crunchy guitar sound on it. In my opinion it is so much stronger than the more popular Out of Time album
    Glass_Ceiling
    Next Wednesday question : Band that outdid its magnum opus REM has got a couple of great albums, way better than Automatic for the People actually. On a side note, I love Adventures in HiFi, and yeah, Monster is a unique album.
    maldoror261
    Watchtower's Control & Resistance is better than Energetic Disassembly on all fronts (production, songwriting, performance etc.) R.E.M put out a string of equally impressive albums up until 'Monster', some may even be better than 'Murmur'.
    jude.chavez.180
    Late to the party but how about ghost?
    Smokey McPot
    this was the first band that came to my mind when seeing this article. the first record was sick, but the ones that followed were just a collection of songs that were trying to sound similar to the most successful tracks from the debut.
    Glass_Ceiling
    No... Just no. Each Ghost album has its very own identity. And they just seem to get better and better.
    Tag43
    I have to disagree. I think Life On Display was even better, and Famous was their last good album.