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slimp
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#41
TS: if I were you, I would just buy a cheapa$$ Peavey Vypr 15 for 100 bucks, then in the meantime, save for a quality amp. By the time you have saved up a couple grand and done the research, you will know exactly what you want. Also, you said it is just a hobby, you don't want to invest a bunch of cash into an amp/effects if you are not sure that you will stay dedicated to guitar.
Ethanb08
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#42
Well theres that Peavey 6505+ 112 combo comming out sometime this year, it would probably be capable on the crunch channel of imitating his earlyer tone. Theres also a MXR EVH Phase 90 (phaser), MXR EVH Flanger, and the Dunlop EVH Wah (not really nessicary cause Eds not famous for his wah playing.) As for a delay, you could probably get almost any of the ones avalable, to stay in the MXR family you could get a Carbon Copy...lol

If your looking for Balance era sound that will be difficult. You would need 3 amps (Peavey 6505 style) 2 effects units capable of a detune effect. Then you would have to configure it like Wet/Dry/Wet, first amp being wet means its detuned up or down, the middle amp is dry meaning no effects, the other wet amp is detuned opposite of the first. I have a Sound clip of me imitating the balance style setup in my profile its the Amsterdam/Cabo wabo tone one. Or you could get a chorus pedal, it wont sound exactly the same, it will be more of a cheap imitation, but it should keep you satisfied if your picky. By the way MXR makes a Chorus pedal...lol no but theres also boss and digitech ones which would suffice.

But for all out cheapness, maybe look at a Vox AD15vt (mostly cause it has effects with it), thats what I used in my early days and I was a big Eddie fan. Or the new version of it the Vox VT15. Other than that if you want to buy your own effects later then maybe go with some of the other guys suggestions like a Peavey Classic 30, the Peavey Windsor or Peavey 6505+ 112.

Note that no matter how hard you try to get eddies sound, you probably wont get it, you may get close enough to satisfy yourself but like riffhog said it may be way off. But thats fine, as long as you are happy.
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riffhog
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#43
^Hey, Ethan! Just checked your chorus-VH clip, & while it's a bit looser & fizzier than Eddie's (IMO), you did a really nice job duplicating the depth of that tone, which I had yet to hear anyone do correctly until now. Great job! I have a flanger & chorus that I play with sometimes, & I can't come close to the depth you got.
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#44
Quote by riffhog
Every time I hear someone say that such & such amp nails the brown sound, I just laugh myself silly when I hear the amp or clips for myself. Most aren't even close. There exist only a handful of amps that will REALLY get teh brown, with all the dynamics & sustain. If you're a pretty decent player, & play a lot of VH, you may be able to coax some brown-esque tones from other amps, but otherwise forget it. Anything else is just a mock compromise.

This is so true, in most cases people just suggest amps that they own because they've played some VH riffs on it and thought it sounded decent. It is really hard to get a certain players tone, and it's not just EVH, another case is Jimmy Page where whenever someone asks for Led Zeppelin tone, a ton of recommendations come in for any old mid gain, British voiced tube amps, when in reality, it's extremely hard to nail that Page tone without the right combination of amp, speakers, guitar, pickups and technique.
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#45
He wants to get back into guitar after 12 years and he built a Frankenstrat. Who cares? I'd rather have someone stear me into an amp that might work for me then to tell me I'll never get a certain tone and to just give up.

TS - troll your craigslist and see if you can find a used Peavey Classic 30.

PS - I had you confused with another ThreadStarter who had $300 for amp and $300 for pedals. what is your total budget for amp? If you built a guitar and got decent pups then I'm sure you can stretch for a decent amp.

PSS - the 6505+ 112 won't be out until Octoberish.
Mslone
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#46
Wow, Thanks for all the advice and banter... I appreciate your feedback and I now have several amps I will be trying out at Guitar Center this weekend!

The guy at the Guitar store mentined that Line 6 makes a nice practice amp with lots of built in effects for the $$.

I will try all the ones you have suggested.

Thanks again.
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#47
Quote by Mslone

The guy at the Guitar store mentined that Line 6 makes a nice practice amp with lots of built in effects for the $$.
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If that is the Spider III he's talking about, kick him in the nuts. Try the amps listed here in this thread.

They troll your local craigslist to get a deal on one.
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#48
Quick Newbie Amp Buying Guide:

>Avoid Fender Frontmen, Line6 Spiders, Marshall MGs. These amps don't sound great and worse, are unreliable.
>Don't let the salesman tell you what you need.
>Try before buy.
>Valve (generally) has superior sound unless you have a lower budget.
...
riffhog
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#49
This entire thread has a lemming vibe to it. No matter what you tell the lemming, he's still going to jump off the cliff.
Good luck, & I want to be the first to congratulate the soon to be proud owner of one of the infamous trifecta.


Edit: TS, check out this thread:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1111823
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stratman_13
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#51
Dude, if you want the Brown Sound, you're going to need to listen to Randy (riffhog).

His re-amped Mojave has the closest brown sound I have EVER heard, aside from the Metroamp '68 remake.

That, and Randy is just a kickass player, who actually does a really good EVH imitation. Seriously.
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riffhog
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#52
Quote by stratman_13
Dude, if you want the Brown Sound, you're going to need to listen to Randy (riffhog).

His re-amped Mojave has the closest brown sound I have EVER heard, aside from the Metroamp '68 remake.

That, and Randy is just a kickass player, who actually does a really good EVH imitation. Seriously.




You're too kind, Jesse, & yes that Metropoulos '68 plexi clone is probably the best you can get, along with the Mojave Peacemaker.

I just hope the TS listens & doesn't live to regret his decision. Need to try amps!!!
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#53
Quote by stratman_13
Dude, if you want the Brown Sound, you're going to need to listen to Randy (riffhog).

His re-amped Mojave has the closest brown sound I have EVER heard, aside from the Metroamp '68 remake.

That, and Randy is just a kickass player, who actually does a really good EVH imitation. Seriously.


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Mslone
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#55
Hey, Thanks for the feedback.

Here are some pics of my Frankenstein replica:





It turned out really good i think. I still need to add the Floyd Rose, Its on it's way. Once that is done I think it will be really close!

Hey I stopped at a local Guitar shop and tried a few amps they did not have most of the amps ya'll suggested but they did have this used 1980's Fender 75W Jam amp that sounded pretty good for $100 Seemed to be in great shape...sound decent to me. I did not buy it, I thought I would come back here and see if anyone was familar with this old amp and if they had any opinions. It might be a cheap option to get me back into playing while I figure out exactly what I need/want...

Here is a pic I found online of the amp:



Thanks again for all the advice!
I'm trying to use it all to my advantage....I;m not letting any salesman sale me anything until I get some feedback for ya'll ....and I;m not going to jump off the cliff like some one here mentioned...
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#56
Try going for a Peavy Windsor or a Laney AOR. Those amps have the best Marshall sound in the price range for the money imo
Shinozoku
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#57
Randall RM20 with a Brown Module.

Or RM50 with a Brown and whatever other module you want for different tones.
Then there's this band called Slice The Cake...

Bunch of faggots putting random riffs together and calling it "progressive" deathcore.
Stupid name.
Probably picked "for teh lulz"

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greggybhoy
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#58
Quote by Shinozoku
Randall RM20 with a Brown Module.

Or RM50 with a Brown and whatever other module you want for different tones.



He doesn't have that much money to spend.

TS, I stand by my Peavey Windsor Studio recommendation. It's great for what you need.

The amps you have put forward as candidates are in no way going to complement or make the most out of the hard work you've put into your excellent looking guitar. As I've already said, that Van Halen pickup you installed will be useless unless running it through a decent VALVE amp - decent doesn't mean expensive. You cannot polish a turd, so take some sensible advice. Take note that for a decent Van Halen sound, you need a valve amp of some description otherwise you will be back asking us how to get his sound from an amp that will not come close to it no matter what.
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#59
Stop looking for $100 solutions- you'll be much happier spending $300 on something we suggest. We know what we're talking about.
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saltysnail
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#60
If you have around 200 to spend and want some effects, and are just bedroom jamming, try finding an old lead 12. They're pretty good at getting a marshally sound for a very cheap amp, and they're certainly better than the mg's.

If it isn't to your liking or you can't find it, try the windsor studio or the vypyr. Both are good, easy to find, amps.
riffhog
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#61
Michael, first I want to tell you that Frankie looks pretty damn good, man

Glad to hear you're not wasting your cash on one of the notorious sh!tboxes that salesmen throw at you!
Some of those old Fenders (even the SS ones) can get acceptable VH tones to get by on. I forgot to mention that I have a little 1996 Fender Princeton 112 Plus SS that does a pretty decent VH impersonation. I could put up a clip, & no one would guess it was SS, esp after you add echo & phaser to it. I heard Terry Lauderdale (ex-guitarist for the VH tribute band Hot For Teacher) use one on the radio one time, & it was astonishingly good (as is Terry). As many people have said, the vast majority of EVH's tone is simply in his hands.
If that little Fender gets it close enough for you, hell, buy it! What's $100? Worst case you have an extra practice amp.

Again though-awesome job on the guitar. Great attention to detail. That quarter looks oddly out of place though . Shouldn't it be under the edge of the bridge? Hope it's a 1971 also!
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Ethanb08
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#63
Quote by riffhog
^Hey, Ethan! Just checked your chorus-VH clip, & while it's a bit looser & fizzier than Eddie's (IMO), you did a really nice job duplicating the depth of that tone, which I had yet to hear anyone do correctly until now. Great job! I have a flanger & chorus that I play with sometimes, & I can't come close to the depth you got.


Yah, its kinda funny cause I recorded that one not with the 6505+ but with my Vox AD15vt, cause it was upstairs near the computer and i was lazy...lol its on the nu-metal amp type (so recto copy I think). But yah I recorded it into audobe adition, copy and pasted 2 more of the tracks, hard panned one right and one left, then left one in the middle. I then used the strech function and detuned the left to 99.5 and the right to 100.5, and wallah you acheive the same effect as eddies balance era sound. A chorus comes close but it will never be on because it is a modulation effect, and detuning doesnt modulate it stays at a specific pitch. Perhaps I will load one up with eddies settings on my 6505+ either F.U.C.K. album settings or some other live ones, which might be balance era... I'm not sure.
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Mslone
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#64
riffhog,

I picked up the the Fender Jam, I talked em down to $80. So it will be qa good starting point!

Regarding the Quarter. Yes it is a 1971.... Took a while to find.... The position looks off becuase the Floyd Rose is not on the Gutar yet. The Floyd is larger in the back and will extend back close to the quarter. I will put up new photos when I get it installed.

OK so I have an Amp to practice on. What all effects pedals do I need for VH? besides Phase & Flange.

Thanks for the help guys!
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#66
get a good tube amp with a good clean channel and get a tonebone hot british, mxr phase 90, mxr flanger and a good delay pedal, you may want a crybaby wah wah too for some stuff
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riffhog
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#67
Quote by Mslone
riffhog,

I picked up the the Fender Jam, I talked em down to $80. So it will be qa good starting point!

Regarding the Quarter. Yes it is a 1971.... Took a while to find.... The position looks off becuase the Floyd Rose is not on the Gutar yet. The Floyd is larger in the back and will extend back close to the quarter. I will put up new photos when I get it installed.

OK so I have an Amp to practice on. What all effects pedals do I need for VH? besides Phase & Flange.

Thanks for the help guys!

The obvious choice for EVH solo tone would be a phaser (the re-issue Frankie-paint job one w/ the "Script" switch works pretty well) & some delay. That should get you in the ballpark. A flanger is nice for some songs, but not necessary IMO, except for playing "Unchained". I rarely use my flanger, even when I play VH covers, mostly because it's a noisy old POS '78 MXR.
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Mslone
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#68
Do you guys recommend going with individual pedals or getting one those Multi effects pedal boards with 6 built in one like a Boss unit? Looks more conveinent?

Pros / Cons?
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#69
Quote by Mslone
Do you guys recommend going with individual pedals or getting one those Multi effects pedal boards with 6 built in one like a Boss unit? Looks more conveinent?

Pros / Cons?

If possible, I'd borrow somebody else's unit for a few weeks and try it out.

I bought my PODXT Live with the intention of using all sorts of awesome effects and really only ended up coming back to Wah, Overdrive and Chorus, plus the onboard EQ and noise gate.

My pedal selection so far has reflected what I learned. If you can do it cheaper without buying the unit, that's fantastic.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

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riffhog
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#70
Quote by bubb_tubbs
If possible, I'd borrow somebody else's unit for a few weeks and try it out.

I bought my PODXT Live with the intention of using all sorts of awesome effects and really only ended up coming back to Wah, Overdrive and Chorus, plus the onboard EQ and noise gate.

My pedal selection so far has reflected what I learned. If you can do it cheaper without buying the unit, that's fantastic.


Borrowing stuff to try out is the best way to go for sure. There's so many great multi-FX processors out there, esp used ones, but many, if not most, color your tone to an unacceptable degree IMO. I've personally had good luck with a Lexicon MX200 rack reverb/processor (gregs1020 has the same unit also), but I only use the reverb on it, & pedals for everything else. The MX200 is under $200 new, but I'm not sure if it's been discontinued. There's just certain pedals that I really like (Fulltone OCD, Phase 90 script setting, MXR vintage flanger), & they aren't duplicated well by anything digital that I've found yet.
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#71
I have found that my fender frontman 15w amp ($99) can actually produce a lot of the classic van halen I/II tones
Arby911
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#72
Quote by bkstackerben
I have found that my fender frontman 15w amp ($99) can actually produce a lot of the classic van halen I/II tones


That's nice.

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