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#5361
Sounding MUCH better than the first example Humbug! Keep it up, your screams are pretty cool sounding for the style.

@Merriman what the hell man, I finally post original material and you ignore it? It's like you don't love me anymore :'(

@Crypt1 I don't remember what stage of learning you're at unfortunately, but I agree with the other guys that when you first start it can be hard to get the muscle memory down, and when I started there were days when I had no scream at all. It could also be allergies, or just that your voice isn't warmed up or lubricated (watered) regularly enough.
#5362
Oh, that is actually an excellent improvement! You've definitely got some more fry in there, and it sounds harsher. I like it!

@BR I'm about 5-6 months in. I've had the feeling consistent for a good 3 or 4 of them, which is why this is so surprising.

I suppose it could be allergies, but I haven't heard anyone complaining about it, and I don't feel otherwise any different, only in my screams.
I'll let my chords rest a couple days and see if anything changes. If not, I guess I'll have to work through the setback.
Last edited by Crypt1 at Aug 11, 2016,
#5363
BR- I thought I replied to you! Must not have went through. I am beyond excited for your vocals. The intensity is incredible and blends with the music wonderfully. More importantly though, your use of melody and structure is on level with the pros. I wish I could give you more feedback, but when you knock it out of the park like that, well, *shrugs.
#5364
@Crypt1 Man, I've been screaming for nearly 5-6 years now and I still sometimes can't scream properly on certain days. I'm hoping you're just having an off-week, which we all get, but otherwise I wouldn't be sure what is going on.

@Merriman Thank you so much! That means a lot coming from someone who's consistently writing and recording vocals. I wish my friend had finished recording that song so I could do the rest of it
#5365
So something kinda scary happened yesterday. I havent done much pure screaming in the last few months since the band was kinda on the fritz and i was more focused on my thrash band, but things seem to be picking up and it looks like we will have some shows lined up soon, so i decided to practice screams again. I was screaming in my car with some songs, and i stumbled upon something that sounded much more fry-like than my usual false cord. It also felt very different, like some sort of crackling in my throat. There was no pain, and it was easy to maintain when i found the sweet spot. So, naturaly i was happy about that, and i proceded to belt out the first part of sons of winter and stars. But then i came to the clean singing part, and my voice was just gone. Completely. I had like a 2 note range, it sounded like shit, it broke into falsetto immediately. I have never ever lost my voice in my life, especially not to this degree. I could barely speak. It didnt hurt, i wasnt even feeling any discomfort, my voice was just flat out gone.

What the fuck? I stopped immediately, and ive been mostly quiet since then, and im gonna see if i can still actually sing this afternoon, but holy shit, this is freaking me out.
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#5366
Oof, that's scary. Maybe the hiatus just threw you out of whack and you'll have to ease back into it? Keep us in the loop, hope it's better soon.
#5367
I actually tried singing a bit like an hour ago, and everything seems to be back to normal. So i dunno what happened. Its not like im seriously out of practice, i use the ocaional screams in the other band as well, and do grit singing pretty much all the time. So i guess it was a weird anomaly. im just gonna stay away from whatever i did.
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#5368
@gorkyporky Perhaps the new scream style caused muscle fatigue in your vocal chords. I could see the lesser used muscles that were engaged in that form of screaming becoming fatigued and then affecting your singing vocals without causing pain, which also could explain the short recovery time.

Perhaps not stay away from it entirely, if it's pain-free explore it on days when you don't have shows and see if it continues to cause issues after a bit of practice. If so, maybe it's not meant to be, but it's worth checking it out at least.
#5369
You think? I really dont wanna do anything to fuck up my singing voice, because im finally at a point where i like my singing. I worked really hard for it, and i dont wanna screw it up with screaming.
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#5370
Well the vocal chords are muscles, the same as any other muscle, and I know that when I do an exercise like bench press then try to do tricep extensions, my triceps aren't going to be as strong during the second exercise because of the fatigue from the press movement.

It stands to reason that, while doing this form of screaming, you could be engaging some of the same muscles you use to sing but your body isn't used to using them this way, causing fatigue. You said it yourself that you don't feel any pain or discomfort, but you were unable to use your vocal chords in other ways after, but it recovered after a short period of time.

So as I said, if you have time when you can afford to fatigue those muscles, maybe play around with it a bit and see if you see improvement in your ability to sing after. If after a few sessions there's no difference, then yeah I agree, forfeit it, but otherwise you may be throwing away a new style that you could incorporate into your repertoire over a minor inconvenience.
#5371
One correction. The vocal cords are thin mucous membranes. Therefore, they absolutely do not ever get stronger. On the contrary, as we age and abuse them, the get stiffer and less useful, even in the best of circumstances.

Protect your cords. Now BR, you may be right that the muscles that control them became fatigued, but I don't buy this. Something is off. For those muscles to be so fatigued that they totally fail, I think Gorky would have felt it.

My advice? Go see an ENT and get it settled. After that, dabble all that you wish.

Its more likely that you had inflamed cords that day. For singing they need to vibrate at a higher velocity than screaming, and they can't do that when filled with fluid. Further, this goes along with the idea that your scream was different. To me, it sounds like you were able to get this scream at that moment because your cords were already under assault (allergies, etc).
Last edited by merriman44 at Aug 13, 2016,
#5372
Thats kinda what i was thinking. I wasnt really feeling 100% that day, but i was able to sing normaly. I tried some screams again a few days later and while it was better, my voice seemed to be going pretty fast as well. So im just gonna lay low and not do any screams for like a week or whatever, and see if it improves.

Going to an ENT is like a 3 month long process in my country tho, so im gonna see if things normalize. If they dont, im going.
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#5373
I haven't done vocals like this in literally years, but I'm thinking of dipping my feet back in the water again now I'm picking up bass after the first time in a while. If I'm going back to it would be best to just treat myself like a total beginner do everything very slow and steady?

Thanks
#5374
So I rested up a while and tried to scream again. It's starting to feel normal again, though I did forget just how much it kills the tummy ^~^
So I'm not totally sure exactly what happened, but I think I can get back to learning and progressing.
#5375
hey everyone. this sure has changed since the last time I was around here, whoa O_O

getting down to business, here's a little clip with demonstrations of the things I learned with most of you guys' advice. that and I resumed my research on false chord vocals, I would appreciate it if, now with pop filter so it should be clear to hear what may be going wrong in the false chord bit of it all, i could get any input on it?

link: http://yourlisten.com/Filipe.Onofre/demonstration

also, noob question: my pop filter makes me sound too quiet even with compression and EQ'ing, in regard to an insturmental, what am I missing here, assuming i'm not too far from the mic? (3-4 inches from mic and not wanting to eat that pop filter lol). I know I'm quiet and fry is a really subtle thing with diaphragm pressure but this is apparently being blown off its proportions. thank you everyone
#5376
Darktimes- Up the gain or get a preamp. Nothing doing beyond that. As far as the clip, false cord is based on your cords. Sounds like you just aren't a low guy. However, I have developed an overall lower tone as time has gone on. Its not as brutal as you are looking for but its lower with just repetition.
#5377
actually scratch that, it was an Audacity issue. i was reluctant to return to my current DAW, yet I did anyway and things are ok again. Audacity's master volume control often gets screwed, apparently. everything is working like it should right now but still I thank thee. let it be general knowledge to any lurkers just starting out with their first daw, if it's audacity, beware of a set number of problems that might show up as you go.

those highs/mids sound righ to you? they're fine at first but get really damaging after a while, they scratch, it's not unbearable but they scratch and I have no improvement on them as of yet. been working on it since I first showed up here on UG.
Last edited by darktimes1 at Aug 18, 2016,
#5378
Hard telling on the fry stuff. Maybe someone else will chime in. The false cord stuff sounds like you haven't gotten to the point where you can isolate the true voice out of it. But false cord screams are always kind of gross sounding, mine are for sure. But in a mix it sounds meaty and powerful

Edit: Here's a recent example: If you isolate my false cord scream they sound like an angry monkey taking a sideways crap. However, once entered into the mix they resonate powerfully even though they are quite low in the mix. Compare also how mine have less of my true fold sound and the mix is much more based on the meaty and slow vibrating false folds. If you want your tone to sound lower, you just need to work on removing your voice from your false cord scream. That high screechy overtone you are getting is stressed true fold tone.

I can't help you with how to get rid of that and deactivate the true folds except to try out different placements. When I focus the sound lower and out of the nasal cavity, I think I inherently cause some more compression on the folds and that back pressure helps the false cords vibrate more uniformly, evenly and safely.

Hope that helps!
Last edited by merriman44 at Aug 19, 2016,
#5379
Hi guys, so this thread has been inactive for a while now. I have a question about fry again. I came to the point where i seem to be doing something that resembles a fry scream. It uses much less air than false cord, and it utilizes the fry sound, and sounds like shit on its own. But im still strugling with volume. I can get it almost as loud as my speaking voice, but thats pretty much the limit, and ive been stuck at that point for a while now with no improvement. Is that just the nature of fry screams, that they are way more silent than anything else? Beucase i cant see myself using this in a live setting, unless i do some dramatic manuvering around the microphone to maintain the same volume.
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#5380
gorkyporky well, as far as I know, and I'm no expert or pro on the whole vocals thing, you shouldn't be worrying about volume.
To quote merriman, the lower the volume, the more control you have (correct me if I'm wrong though) since it's likely there will come a time where you can somewhat control the intensity of the sound and, to use mine as a paralell, I do power fry and it's maybe at speaking volume, maybe a bit louder sometimes but never as loud as a false chord scream will ever be, fry is inherently quieter when in comparison. I'd say focus on having a good grasp of the technique since it'll allow you to do some weird and crazy sounds, you might not have all that power and sturdyness, depth of false chord range but it provides a good arsenal of weird stuff you can do, such as breaking your own boundaries and adding other registers to the scream(like, in my case, the whistle register), something I have seen become very painful with false chord screams. most accurate way to tell if you're doing well or not would be to drop a clip and wait for the experienced folks to drop by and review it, I will take no responsibility upon that man, too newbish for that.
#5381
Yeah, its one thing to say "dont worry about volume" but another thing is busting out a massive false cord growl and then going to a fry in a live show. The soundguys head might just explode So yeah, i would kinda need everything to be on the same volume level, and singing and false cord screams are already louder than speaking. So i cant really turn that down enough, or the frys high enough.
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#5382
Quote by gorkyporky
Yeah, its one thing to say "dont worry about volume" but another thing is busting out a massive false cord growl and then going to a fry in a live show. The soundguys head might just explode So yeah, i would kinda need everything to be on the same volume level, and singing and false cord screams are already louder than speaking. So i cant really turn that down enough, or the frys high enough.



Good mic control will solve that issue. Also, please send clips of what you think resembles fry scream. Not an expert in fry, but can definitely leave comments as to proper general vocal technique that i'm hoping will help.

Darktimes--it's good to talk to you, man. Feel like I haven't been on these boards (or seen you [or any of the old crew]) in forever. Your low fries sound absolutely filthy, man. Your false chords have really come a long way, but I think they sound a bit fragile, still. Were you out of practice when you recorded that clip?

I'm FINALLY getting my awful deviated septum taken care of this January. Does anyone on here have experience with the surgery? How long did it take you to regain your screaming form after the surgery was done?
#5383
I finally got myself a mic (Rode NT1-A) and recorded my vocals. I'm disappointed in how they sound and I've been practicing for about 8 months, maybe only 10-15 minutes a day 4 or 5 days a week.

I recorded in my car, about 6 inches away from the mic. How am I doing? Am I doing anything wrong or am I on the right track? How can I get better? Going for black metal style vocals similar to Der Web Einer Freiheit, Winterfylleth, Annal Nathrakh, etc

Full mix: https://soundcloud.com/leealacoque/under-a-starless-sky-vocal-attempt-1/s-zif4F

Raw soloed vocals: https://soundcloud.com/leealacoque/under-a-starless-sky-raw-vocals-1/s-9lFEp
#5384
Quote by gorkyporky
Yeah, its one thing to say "dont worry about volume" but another thing is busting out a massive false cord growl and then going to a fry in a live show. The soundguys head might just explode So yeah, i would kinda need everything to be on the same volume level, and singing and false cord screams are already louder than speaking. So i cant really turn that down enough, or the frys high enough.



With TRYING for volume comes lack of control. My Fry is almost the same volume as my false chord, and just getting that has been a few years of work. Proper Mic control will deal with any volume issues you will having utilising all the techniques.


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#5385
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With TRYING for volume comes lack of control. My Fry is almost the same volume as my false chord, and just getting that has been a few years of work. Proper Mic control will deal with any volume issues you will having utilising all the techniques.


Yeah, i know. Im just gonna keep at it until i get it to sound as loud as my other vocals. I honestly cant imagine dealing with microphone distance as well while playing. The guitar and singing takes like 95% of my concentration already.
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#5386
Quote by gorkyporky
Yeah, i know. Im just gonna keep at it until i get it to sound as loud as my other vocals. I honestly cant imagine dealing with microphone distance as well while playing. The guitar and singing takes like 95% of my concentration already.


Dude I feel you, I used to do the same for my old band Silent Uprising. It's an immense amount of work but you have a benefit, the mic will always be stationary.

You can use that to your advantage and feel out the distances you need to be from the mic for each of your techniques, and how youll need to adjust as your volume gets louder. Keep at it brotha! Playing and screaming is never easy, but at a certain point you don't have to think about it anymore.


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