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#81
"I've said that playing the blues is like having to be black twice. Stevie Ray Vaughan missed on both counts, but I never noticed." -B.B. King
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#82
Quote by AeolianWolf
he's a great guitarist in the sense that hendrix was a great guitarist.

they were pioneers, but compare them to guitarists of today, and...well, you see where this is going.

Face-f*cking-palm. I haven't read the rest of the thread and I'm sure you've already been thoroughly rebuffed. But SRV is a FANTASTIC player by any standards, how you can deny that I cannot fathom. And believe me, I'm familiar with pretty much every guitarist of repute from the entire 20th century, including all the super technical cats. I'm not making an uninformed judgement.
#83
Wow...two pages of blind arguing about our opinions on a guitarist considered to be one of the best ever by many people...
Quit arguing your opinions as if they are the ****ing word of God. It pisses me off to no end.

That being said, it is MY OPINION that SRV was one hell of a guitarist in any respect, both for his technique and his tone. I'm not a fanboy. The only person I could ever say I was a fanboy for is Slash, and even then, I'm not going to get butthurt if someone says they think he is an overrated sellout. It is my belief he is neither of those.

Simply put, SRV was damn good at what he did, and if you don't agree with me, you are entitled to your opinion...but don't damn my belief as being completely unacceptable. Because that makes you an ignorant tool.
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#84
Quote by Beserker
Face-f*cking-palm. I haven't read the rest of the thread and I'm sure you've already been thoroughly rebuffed. But SRV is a FANTASTIC player by any standards, how you can deny that I cannot fathom. And believe me, I'm familiar with pretty much every guitarist of repute from the entire 20th century, including all the super technical cats. I'm not making an uninformed judgement.


Not by the Less-Is-More aspect of blues.
Guitar Slim, Johnny Guitar Watson, etc.
#85
To me, SRV did not really become one of the greatest guitarists ever until AFTER he sobered up. Because after sobering up he really, REALLY got better. He was alot more original too. That is when he became one of the greatest guitarists because it seemed like he was just starting to climb the innovation latter. Like his Little Wing cover to me does not resemble Hendrix all that much. And Life Without You live in that last year was probably one of the greatest musical pieces I have ever heard. So really in my opinion SRV was just starting to become an elite musician when he died. He's still my favorite guitarist though and his style is extremely tough to play. Alot tougher than Albert King and Hendrix in my opinion.
#86
Obviously I'm a big SRV fan. It must be a Texas thing, because there are several people around here who would listen to SRV way before they would listen to Hendrix, Clapton, and The Kings. My favorite thing about SRV was the intensity that he played with. I'll never forget the first time I heard him playing on the radio or on albums. Way before I got into guitar. I try not to forget that as my musical/technical tastes progress.
#87
I'll never forget the first time I heard SRV either, his playing on Bowie's 'Let's Dance', which got a lot of airplay back in the day. Stevie's playing was so different from all the new wave stuff on the radio at that time, that it really stood out. Around that time I read an interview with Bowie in MUSICIAN magazine, and he was bragging about this great new guitarist he discovered, and what a blues purist he was.

I bought Stevie's first album as soon as it came out. It was such a breath of fresh air back then, when it seemed like all the upcoming young white musicians who knew how to play the blues were leaning towards metal (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Everybody always talks about how Stevie was so influenced by Hendrix and Albert King. One guy who IMO influenced Stevie a lot that no one ever mentions is Larry Davis, who wrote & did the first recording of "Texas Flood". I think Stevie even got some of his singing style from him. If you've never heard Larry Davis, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boulE-ihcoY

I was lucky enough to see Stevie perform about a month before he died. It was at a blues festival, and at the end Stevie jammed with BB King and Joe Cocker! What a great show that was. Even though I was pretty drunk, it was a night I'll never forget.
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#88
Quote by tombstonehand
That sums it up pretty good. He was very talented technically, but his music was not interesting in any way. It was the most generic, uninspired caricature of the blues I've ever heard. He's the favorite blues guitarist of people who know nothing about the blues.


It's narrow-minded opinions like these that make me wish I had more willpower in terms of staying away from forums.

Your statement makes the assumption that any fan of SRV couldn't possibly have listened to the artists YOU have decided are the real deal, and if they have listened to the artists you mention and prefer SRV, that somehow their intellect and musical maturity is immediately suspect. Just because you can name drop a bunch of blues players going back almost 100 years, and possibly may have a vast amount of knowledge on the subject, does not make someone else's opinion invalid just because they don't agree with you. I myself have listened to some of the players you mentioned, and for me, I prefer more modern electric blues like SRV. That old stuff bores the pants right off me. However, I don't think that because I prefer SRV that the players someone else likes are lesser musicians, lesser players, less original etc.
#89
standing on the shoulders of giants, yeah.. he looks big.. but its mostly because of those under him
#91
I'm having a hard time believing that the naysayers can even play close to what SRV could.
#92
Anyone who thinks Stevie Ray Vaughan isn't that great of a guitarist is monotoned. His tone, his feeling, his voice, his songwriting, he had it all.
#93
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Anyone who thinks Stevie Ray Vaughan isn't that great of a guitarist is monotoned.



So anyone who thinks SRV isn't that great of a guitarist is "has been a sound that has a single unvaried tone?"

#96
I don't have anything against people who listen to SRV, I just believe most SRV-fanatics tend to know very little about the genre besides him and those connected to him. I'm not on a crusade against those people, I'm just saying they exist and there are a lot of them.

Why do people need to know about the blues genre to like SRV? If you like his music, you like his music, you don't need to compare it to anything.
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#97
Stevie Ray Vaughan is overrated. All of his soloing sounds the same. There are some good blues songs out there, but other than that, most blues sucks and sounds the same and lacks creativity. It's easy to play a blues solo. If you want to listen to someone who is one of the last greatest guitarists still on earth with his own sound and style, then listen to Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits. We will never see another talent like him who can play like that and is one of the best song writers on earth today. As an avid guitar player for 15 years, no one on earth comes close to being able to do what he does. He produced songs and albums for Van Morrison, Tina Turner, Bob Dylan, etc... Eric Clapton sought him out to tour with him because he was intrigued by Mark Knopfler and even said in an interview that he is "intimidated to get on stage with mark knopfler because of how good he is." Knopfler also played and produced an album with Chet Atkins, also one of the best guitar players in the world no longer with us. Knopfler's got real talent and real creativity and emotion in his playing.
#98
Je-sus

this nigga hates stevie ray enough to up a 3 year old conversation


but yo

im curious as to what kinda dissertation is about stevie
#99
I've never heard anyone come close to being able to emulate Stevie ray's tone. I've heard people who were influenced by him, who played some of those same texas blue licks, but never have I heard someone capture that same feel and spirit and sound that he had.

Seriously, if anyone out there has a clip of someone playing like Stevie who can hold a candle to his tone and sound, post it here right now cos I'm dying to hear it.
#101
Well you all, I just came upon this discussion by accident, and now I have to ad my 2 cents worth.

I've been a guitar player since the mid 60's and I have said many times that SRV was major overrated. My guess is that many SRV fans are not players but merely like what they hear when SRV played. And that's just fine.

If you people want to hear the real deal, check out Michael Bloomfield. He is widely credited with bringing blues guitar to the mainstream beginning with his time with The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Electric Flag, Nick Gravenites, Bob Dylan and his solo recordings. He opened the door for the black musicians he learned from and helped them get the recognition they deserved.

Unfortunately, Mike Bloomfield had his demons too, which lead to an early death. There is a great biography out there as well as plenty of his recordings. Sorry people, but SRV couldn't touch the depth of soul and amazing chops that Mike Bloomfield brought to the guitar. I hope this gets your interest. Great stuff people.
#102
Stevie was a good guitarist in his day with great tone. Many musicians were and still are on drugs, but what does that matter to your career.

I say learn from his mistakes and even his playing if you can and use it to further your career.
#103
I personally don't care for his music - nothing against him personally, I just don't care for it. That being said, I can't deny that his playing skill was stellar. I listened to SRV in Austin many times in the Guadalupe Antone's back in the 70's, and he always blew me away. Check out this video. One thing I'd also like to point out: not only does he play this stuff perfectly, but notice that 99% of the time, he's NOT looking at the fretboard. That says a lot. Even world class players like Segovia and Atkins didn't, or couldn't, do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWLw7nozO_U
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#104
Quote by Dropdbob
Well you all, I just came upon this discussion by accident, and now I have to ad my 2 cents worth.

I've been a guitar player since the mid 60's and I have said many times that SRV was major overrated. My guess is that many SRV fans are not players but merely like what they hear when SRV played. And that's just fine.

If you people want to hear the real deal, check out Michael Bloomfield. He is widely credited with bringing blues guitar to the mainstream beginning with his time with The Paul Butterfield Blues Band, The Electric Flag, Nick Gravenites, Bob Dylan and his solo recordings. He opened the door for the black musicians he learned from and helped them get the recognition they deserved.

Unfortunately, Mike Bloomfield had his demons too, which lead to an early death. There is a great biography out there as well as plenty of his recordings. Sorry people, but SRV couldn't touch the depth of soul and amazing chops that Mike Bloomfield brought to the guitar. I hope this gets your interest. Great stuff people.


Bloomfield all the way, he's up there with BB, T-Bone and Muddy
#105
Darkkon

SRV cannot sing, and probably couldn't produce music, and I have no idea what other people are hearing when they listen to his raunchy 80's pseudo blues hits.

It's depressing how many people actually put a SRV sticker on their Squier Classic Vibe and shit their pants all night and cry about how good his music was lol.
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