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I got to the 13th fret on the E string. Btw, I have it tuned to D. Does it matter?
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F at the bottom of the bass clef to G above middle C without falsetto...on a good day
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I figured this thread is bump worthy because its a cool topic.
You can use this video to check your own, but it only goes down to E2 so low basses like myself will have to find another way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IejHKpfHso
(note anyone measuring in guitar pro be careful, it says the wrong octave)

My range is from D2 to A5 (thats drop D to the 5th fret on the 5th string)
One of my friends swears that he can get A1 and G1 on a good day, but he has an incredible voice.
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I'm a leggiero tenor and have a range of C3-F5 on a good day, which sounds a little nuts, but take into account I've had years of opera training, and probably wouldn't take anything over a D5 into a concert unless I was doing musical theater.
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My voice tends to bottom out at D3/C3, and I can barely do a B2. I'm already 24 years old so I doubt it'll get lower anytime soon. My 'break' and most unstable notes are around the Eb4. I can sing most 4th octave notes above it pretty consistently with enough warm up in my mix/head. I can get to C5, D5 pretty well, sometimes E5 and F5, but any higher than that sounds a bit silly. I'm very untrained though so I'm not too confident in saying I'm one thing or the other.
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Browsing forum and saw this thread so I figure I'd chime in:


Surprisingly my range as actually changed. I wouldn't say I "extended" it (which is physically impossible anyway) but more of finally figured out how to use it.

Before, in full voice I could only go from an E2-G4, and up to A5 in head voice. After quite some practice I can now hit a C6 with no issue, sometimes D6 if I'm lucky.
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Mine would be F2-E6, with fry I can get down to maybe B1 and Falsetto somewhere in the 7th octave.
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Quote by Ian_the_fox
Browsing forum and saw this thread so I figure I'd chime in:


Surprisingly my range as actually changed. I wouldn't say I "extended" it (which is physically impossible anyway) but more of finally figured out how to use it.

Before, in full voice I could only go from an E2-G4, and up to A5 in head voice. After quite some practice I can now hit a C6 with no issue, sometimes D6 if I'm lucky.


Motivating right there A2/Ab2-G4 on most days, good days to A5 full voice, and I can belt out Bb5s, but they sound strained and bad. If I could hit Bb5 and C5 regularly with a good voice I'd be ecstatic My falsetto goes from C3-somewhere in the 5th/6th octave. Doesn't necessarily sound good on the mid-range falsetto stuff, but I'm sure I could work it to get it to sound close to my chest voice. I really should do that...

What's typical falsetto range?
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Hello I don't know what range am i, i did the test in internet i can sing from g2-c6 vocal range. What am i?¿
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G2-C5 it seems, according to that test.
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I gotta say some of these vocal ranges seem pretty strange.
C6, D6 and E6?
That's not possible as male (but you might be female). Some might be able to hit those notes with a very very thin falsetto, but still not included in your vocal-range.
The highest note I've ever seen from a male included in his range is a B5.
And this is the note: 1:24 onward.
http://youtu.be/1VyETcOZNJk?t=1m24s
I've also seen Michele Luppi hit a B5 though.

On-topic:
I think mine is E2-A5. I've hit A5 a few times by mixing, never been able to surpass that note.
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Quote by KrisHQ
C6, D6 and E6?
That's not possible as male (but you might be female). Some might be able to hit those notes with a very very thin falsetto, but still not included in your vocal-range.
The highest note I've ever seen from a male included in his range is a B5.


Why should those notes be impossible for males? True, most males don't have them, but if you are "born" with a very wide range, you will. I am a dude and my falsetto tops off at G6, a semitone higher on a good day. Back when I still didn't recognize pitches on recordings well, I'd do some of Halford's screams at D6-es and E6-es... and it wasn't thin.
I also have a friend who has a very strong falsetto in the bottom 6th octave, don't know his exact range though, and we're not tenors either. So if you are given a wide range, yes, a dude doing a strong falsetto E6 is possible. Full voice - probably not, but falsetto - yes.

You may also check out this guy called Adam Lopez, who goes so high in his whistle register the notes are off the piano (A C#8, I think). Jon Bon Jovi has a presence in the 6th octave too, I think, so does Freddie Mercury... if you look up threads about them on a forum called the Range Place, you'll see in the OP they got quite some notes up there, despite being dudes. And there's probably more, but you get the point.
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Navi_96. Still not considered a part of your vocal-range.
You CAN include such extremely compressed notes and whistle-register, but I wouldn't say it's a part of what people consider "vocal range".
Having a strong G#6 that would be suited for musical purposes. I'd have to hear that to be convinced. If you have any recordings I'd be very interested in hearing them.
As for Adam Lopez, yes; I've seen him, but those notes are what is to be considered a whistle-register.
I'd consider pretty much any male note in the 6th octave to be so, maybe C6 is possible.
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You may also check out this guy called Adam Lopez, who goes so high in his whistle register the notes are off the piano


I believe I said in my own post that Adam Lopez's top notes are whistle register, so yes, I know those are whistle notes. I would argue on the fact that falsetto shouldn't be considered part of one's vocal range - of course, quite a bit of people only use their modal voices in singing (with some people), and in the classical repertoire anything beyond one's modal voice is usually a no-no, true.
There are, though, some people that do use falsetto in their songs... for a metal guy like me, King Diamond comes to mind, and he actually sings some passages in falsetto rather than just using the high notes for screaming like Halford would, for example. So for people like him, I would consider their falsetto part of their ranges because they are using it in their music and they do it quite well for the thing they do.

From your standpoint though, I went to check out this Michele Luppi guy you mentioned, he hits a head voice D6 singing the "Whooo-oooh" part of the chorus of Livin on a Prayer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_b3HIualk
So there's your guy .

Having a strong G#6 that would be suited for musical purposes. I'd have to hear that to be convinced. If you have any recordings I'd be very interested in hearing them.


I just said my falsetto tops off there, I never said I can make the G's strong 'cause I discovered I can produce them just recently. I can do a powerful F6, F#6 maybe, but the G's are still squeaky. I could record them to prove what I'm saying in a couple of days, when I have time. I got shitty equipment right now but it'll do the job. I believe i can get to the lower 6th octave with my head voice too, so I'll include that too.
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#137
Quote by Navi_96
I believe I said in my own post that Adam Lopez's top notes are whistle register, so yes, I know those are whistle notes. I would argue on the fact that falsetto shouldn't be considered part of one's vocal range - of course, quite a bit of people only use their modal voices in singing (with some people), and in the classical repertoire anything beyond one's modal voice is usually a no-no, true.
There are, though, some people that do use falsetto in their songs... for a metal guy like me, King Diamond comes to mind, and he actually sings some passages in falsetto rather than just using the high notes for screaming like Halford would, for example. So for people like him, I would consider their falsetto part of their ranges because they are using it in their music and they do it quite well for the thing they do.

From your standpoint though, I went to check out this Michele Luppi guy you mentioned, he hits a head voice D6 singing the "Whooo-oooh" part of the chorus of Livin on a Prayer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_b3HIualk
So there's your guy .

I just said my falsetto tops off there, I never said I can make the G's strong 'cause I discovered I can produce them just recently. I can do a powerful F6, F#6 maybe, but the G's are still squeaky. I could record them to prove what I'm saying in a couple of days, when I have time. I got shitty equipment right now but it'll do the job. I believe i can get to the lower 6th octave with my head voice too, so I'll include that too.

Im aware that Luppi has made that clip. But I would still not include it in his vocal range.
When people ask what's your vocal range, they usually not include notes that are 100% compressed falsetto.
When you youtube "Insert X here's vocal range" often IF they include the whistle and falsetto-register they specifically mention it.
It's basically the same as not including your fry-register in the low end.
That's why it gets a little confusing when people start throwing C6, E6 and such notes in their range.
Falsetto can surely still be impressive, but the sound is resonating in a completely differnent place when the notes is what would be considered 100% falsetto.

The reason for not including the falsetto is because it does not give a clear image of a persons vocal-type. I have a friend that had trouble reaching A4, but hits falsetto notes in the 6th octave with ease. He's a low baritone.
It would be very misleading if he told people he had a range that included D6, which he achieves by doing a weird falsetto/whistle technique.
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Ok, I might now better get what you want to say. It sounded like head voice to me 'cause he's a tenor and well... I admit I might have listened to LaBrie's very bright voice a bit too much recently and jumped to conclusions .

When discussing vocal ranges with people, I'll usually tell where a singer's falsetto begins if they have used it in their works. If they have used it on occasion but don't really use it standardly, I'll skim it. Basically just: "Yeah this guy/gal has a range of this much, but also has a falsetto that goes for another octave..." something like that. Proper and tasteful use of falsetto should not be overlooked in my opinion, but I agree, it shouldn't be misleading.

I understand it's strange when people just say "this note to that note" but don't say the top octave is falsetto and the bottom three notes are fry - for example - and end up with a possible, but improbable four octaves, but a lot of people don't really know about the technical stuff like that, so I didn't take every post here seriously, though I try not to skim past too quickly because I know from personal experience... Like the G6 we discussed previously (again, proof comin' in a few days), people want proof. Or if I said what my chest + head range is I'd have to be posting proof on that as well or people would think I don't know what I'm talking about.
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#139
I'm glad someone else picked up on the ridiculous vocal ranges being posted. If people are going to include their falsetto in their "range" then they should post a strict split between what they can hit modally, and what they can hit in falsetto. It should also be noted that just because you can "hit" a note, doesn't mean you can "HIT" a note. Should something be considered a part of your range if you can't use it musically?
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I'm glad someone else picked up on the ridiculous vocal ranges being posted. If people are going to include their falsetto in their "range" then they should post a strict split between what they can hit modally, and what they can hit in falsetto. It should also be noted that just because you can "hit" a note, doesn't mean you can "HIT" a note. Should something be considered a part of your range if you can't use it musically?

As long as you can hit the note, it does not have to be in a musical context.
When people post vocal-ranges on youtube or other places, they obviously only use notes from songs or other forms of media.
"Musically" is so subjective that discussing if a note is used musically or not, is not worth it

The reason I posted was because posts like this one:
"Mine would be F2-E6, with fry I can get down to maybe B1 and Falsetto somewhere in the 7th octave."

Does not really make any sense. Either something weird is going on, or this person is something very special.
I take the F2-E6 as being able to hit from F2 to E6 by mixing, which for males is simply not possible.
Everything is debateable though, since some would argue that even A5's are purely falsetto. What people often refer to as "head-voice" is in fact just a mix between modal voice and falsetto, the higher you go in pitch the more falsetto you apply, which is why most high-notes can be difficult to distinguish.
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As long as you can hit the note, it does not have to be in a musical context.
When people post vocal-ranges on youtube or other places, they obviously only use notes from songs or other forms of media.
"Musically" is so subjective that discussing if a note is used musically or not, is not worth it

The reason I posted was because posts like this one:
"Mine would be F2-E6, with fry I can get down to maybe B1 and Falsetto somewhere in the 7th octave."

Does not really make any sense. Either something weird is going on, or this person is something very special.
I take the F2-E6 as being able to hit from F2 to E6 by mixing, which for males is simply not possible.
Everything is debateable though, since some would argue that even A5's are purely falsetto. What people often refer to as "head-voice" is in fact just a mix between modal voice and falsetto, the higher you go in pitch the more falsetto you apply, which is why most high-notes can be difficult to distinguish.


yeah...I think part of the discrepancy might be in different nomenclature for the octaves, as i know it differs around the world, but I think a lot of people just don't know what they are talking about.

Speaking of which, head voice is not mixing modal voice and falsetto. falsetto is a completely different vocal mechanism than the modal voice. "chest voice" and "head voice" are just references vocalists use to describe how they are approaching a note with regard to their passagi. head voice still uses the vocal chords in their entirety, whereas falsetto "zippers" the chords together, with only the very tips of them vibrating, it is a different production method entirely.

and for pretty much any male other than a countertenor or some other rare variation (sopranista or something), an A5 is not going to be hit modally. I'm a classically trained leggiero tenor and my usable range caps off at an E5, and even that is stretching it (I probably wouldn't include more than 1 to 2 of those in a set). The highest written demanded note in classical music is an optional ending F5, and it is very rare to see that done by any tenor outside of a recording session, it is almost never performed that way live. I can hit it and up to the F#, but I would never take it into performance because it sounds awful. Thats part of the reason I said a note shouldn't be considered a part of someones "range" if they can touch it, but can't sing it. It is useless to a performer if it doesn't sound good.
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#142
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yeah...I think part of the discrepancy might be in different nomenclature for the octaves, as i know it differs around the world, but I think a lot of people just don't know what they are talking about.


Reminds me of a friend of mine who keeps convincing me that middle C is C1 and none other, because that's what his music teachers here in Slovenia said, and won't hear me when I say people place it differently in other parts of the world. .

Quote by Tyson2011
and for pretty much any male other than a countertenor or some other rare variation (sopranista or something), an A5 is not going to be hit modally. I'm a classically trained leggiero tenor and my usable range caps off at an E5, and even that is stretching it (I probably wouldn't include more than 1 to 2 of those in a set).


That is assuming that every person's vocal range fits their vocal type like a glove. A dramatic baritone, for example, might have just his G2-A4 "standard" range, much like the leggero tenor's standard of a C3-D#5. But we see enough singers every day who have wider ranges than their vocal types dictate.
Tenors have sung notes that we normally hear basses singing before, and vice versa. Enough males have, after completely undergoing puberty (and then some years after), retained ranges that are borderline what has on this thread been described as "impossible" to prove otherwise. You could say these singers have anomalies on their vocal folds that enable them such wide ranges, or that there is too few of them to use them as part of discussion, but they are there nonetheless. As I understood, head voice is to be considered part of one's modal register, so yeah...
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Bass 2/ Almost Oktavist: I can pretty consistently hit an A#1 or sometimes an A1, and I go up to a D3 in natural voice. I haven't bothered to measure my falsetto but it probably ranges into high baritone/low tenor.
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Reminds me of a friend of mine who keeps convincing me that middle C is C1 and none other, because that's what his music teachers here in Slovenia said, and won't hear me when I say people place it differently in other parts of the world. .


That is assuming that every person's vocal range fits their vocal type like a glove. A dramatic baritone, for example, might have just his G2-A4 "standard" range, much like the leggero tenor's standard of a C3-D#5. But we see enough singers every day who have wider ranges than their vocal types dictate.
Tenors have sung notes that we normally hear basses singing before, and vice versa. Enough males have, after completely undergoing puberty (and then some years after), retained ranges that are borderline what has on this thread been described as "impossible" to prove otherwise. You could say these singers have anomalies on their vocal folds that enable them such wide ranges, or that there is too few of them to use them as part of discussion, but they are there nonetheless. As I understood, head voice is to be considered part of one's modal register, so yeah...


Those kinds of ranges are anomalies as you have mentioned....and I think we have just a few too many of them in this thread for them to be accurate
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Naah, I also think many posts weren't accurate - to put it gently, but one or two of these peeps just might have a grasp over the many octaves they lay claim upon
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Speaking of which, head voice is not mixing modal voice and falsetto. falsetto is a completely different vocal mechanism than the modal voice. "chest voice" and "head voice" are just references vocalists use to describe how they are approaching a note with regard to their passagi. head voice still uses the vocal chords in their entirety, whereas falsetto "zippers" the chords together, with only the very tips of them vibrating, it is a different production method entirely.

I guess that depends on how you think of the terms "chest" and "head voice".
I never use those terms myself, and neither does any of the singers I know. To us both head-voice and chest voice would fit the category I call mix.
But I believe in common use, the "chest" voice would be the standard voice that we use for speaking etc, and head-voice referring to mixing.
I've seen people on youtube claiming to show "head voice" and then falsetto, when in reality what they show are both falsetto, but with a different sound color, also referred to as mode by for instance Cathrine Sadolin.
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#148
My F2-E6... The F2 is my lowest note, it can border on fry, but is full, my E6 is also full, Although much warming up is required to hit it, in most musical situations its not needed, the highest note for musical purposes I have had to hit was a G5.
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My F2-E6... The F2 is my lowest note, it can border on fry, but is full, my E6 is also full, Although much warming up is required to hit it, in most musical situations its not needed, the highest note for musical purposes I have had to hit was a G5.

I assume you're male, and then E6 is impossible in modal voice.
Are you getting the octaves confused? E5 seems more likely.
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People could post proof and stuff, then there'd be a much more constructive thing going on...
Anyway, here's mine, as promised. First is a head voice run that goes G5-A5-B5-D5, then in falsetto A5-B5-C6-D6-E6-F6-F#6-G6, and the last two notes are a sharp G6 and a slide up to a sharp G#6 (today wasn't exactly the ideal day )

This was recorded with a dynamic mike directly onto a sound card that is integrated onto the motherboard (thank god for Cubase at least - otherwise it'd be dreadful), so the sound isn't as good and thus notes sound weaker than they actually are, especially the falsetto ones. The recording seems to omit all the "twang" in the voice, strips it down... I need better equipment. I know how the notes feel to me so all the way up to G6 they felt strong. A professional singer who helps me out with vocals also tells me I sound chunky up there, so this is not just me. The G6 also felt stronger than usual today. The recording is here:

https://soundcloud.com/kolundez/head-voice-falsetto-top-notes
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Okay. So. This was actually very useful for our discussion.
Thanks for posting those clips.
The reason for this being is that the notes you are hitting are actually a whole octave lower than what you described.
The first note is in fact a G4 and the highest note in "head-voice" which is really mixing is a D5.
The highest note in falsetto is a G#5, which some would argue not really counts since it's not really hitting the note, but just sharpening the G (since it's not totally on pitch). I know that sharpening the G makes it G#, but just because people sing flat, that doesn't mean they are actually singing a semi-tone lower consistently. That said, the G5 is definitely clear, so I'd assume you can also do the G# better
I don't know if people refer to different octaves depening on where they are from, that might be an issue, but none the less this definitely proves that there has been some miscommunication ^^
This is not an attack on you or anything, I think it's great that you wanted to post those clips
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Damn, you're actually right... I thought I had a whole octave more than I do. I don't know what to say. I feel like a huge idiot right now...

EDIT: it's one day later and I am not bummed out anymore... I have now a motivation to break past my current limits and get as close as I can to what I had thought I was already at! So, in time, I'm confident it will be another story. For what it's worth, I'm sorry I came out on the ignorant side in the previous posts. Wish me luck!
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https://soundcloud.com/tom-milley/8-part-harmony

this is a more recent clip of my voice, although it's improved since then too. mostly with tone, the range is the same. i have got some lower notes now and some higher. in here i'm going from Db2 to Gb5. i tried to sound like a female for some of the parts so that it sounded like different people.
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Damn, you're actually right... I thought I had a whole octave more than I do. I don't know what to say. I feel like a huge idiot right now...

EDIT: it's one day later and I am not bummed out anymore... I have now a motivation to break past my current limits and get as close as I can to what I had thought I was already at! So, in time, I'm confident it will be another story. For what it's worth, I'm sorry I came out on the ignorant side in the previous posts. Wish me luck!

Dont be bummed. Your range is decent.
But at some point you've got to acknowledge the fact that there are physical limitations to the voice. Males will never sing in the 6th octave using their mixed voice, but as I said, I've heard a B5 from very high tenors, so that's only a semi-tone from the C6.
That said; you can easily surpass the D5 with practice, good luck!

Blind in 1 ear:
Sounds pretty neat I love harmonies!
Just remember that your highest notes are in falsetto, therefore they are not an indication of your range
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Quote by KrisHQ
Dont be bummed. Your range is decent.
But at some point you've got to acknowledge the fact that there are physical limitations to the voice. Males will never sing in the 6th octave using their mixed voice, but as I said, I've heard a B5 from very high tenors, so that's only a semi-tone from the C6.
That said; you can easily surpass the D5 with practice, good luck!

Blind in 1 ear:
Sounds pretty neat I love harmonies!
Just remember that your highest notes are in falsetto, therefore they are not an indication of your range

actually it's vocal fry which technically means you can't go into falsetto from what i've read. you can do vocal fry throughout your whole range, they key is to back off on it and not sound like axl rose all the time. singers like bon jovi or mark farner from grand funk railroad do a more cleaner version of it. what i did was back off on it a lot, and tried to sound more like a girl so i could have different parts. i filled out the bass and baritone parts so compared to them, they probably sound like falsetto. if you listen close, you might hear that the voice is still pretty bright and strong, where as falsetto usually sounds softer and weaker.

but i'm not really going to argue that too much, i don't really count that as my full range. to be honest, i don't know where to cut off my range. i keep getting better so i just find it best to not think about it. i find it best not to think of limitations too much when singing.
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actually it's vocal fry which technically means you can't go into falsetto from what i've read. you can do vocal fry throughout your whole range, they key is to back off on it and not sound like axl rose all the time. singers like bon jovi or mark farner from grand funk railroad do a more cleaner version of it. what i did was back off on it a lot, and tried to sound more like a girl so i could have different parts. i filled out the bass and baritone parts so compared to them, they probably sound like falsetto. if you listen close, you might hear that the voice is still pretty bright and strong, where as falsetto usually sounds softer and weaker.

but i'm not really going to argue that too much, i don't really count that as my full range. to be honest, i don't know where to cut off my range. i keep getting better so i just find it best to not think about it. i find it best not to think of limitations too much when singing.

It's a common misconception that falsetto is either: "breathy", soft, weak or anything else. Falsetto can vary a lot in tone.
Those highnotes you are hitting are definitely falsetto, it's easy to hear
As for the last part:
It's great not to think about limitations. Just do your thing and practice!
Also: It doesn't really matter that much what your range is, or if you sing something in mix or falsetto, if it sounds good; it sounds good
Mastercore
Registered User
Join date: Jun 2013
17 IQ
#157
No, E6 in full voice isn't impossible, trust me. It's very possible, but I never really need to hit it. Besides its a very hard note to hit, I still never have the need to have to go past G5.
KrisHQ
Registered User
Join date: Apr 2010
980 IQ
#158
Quote by Mastercore
No, E6 in full voice isn't impossible, trust me. It's very possible, but I never really need to hit it. Besides its a very hard note to hit, I still never have the need to have to go past G5.

I'm gonna need some evidence on that claim.
Until then, it's still not possible.
RBM01991
80's Metalhead
Join date: Jan 2010
1,636 IQ
#159
Low E string on a standard tuned guitar to Soprano C, I once made it up to Soprano D, but it wasn't fun...and useless. Most of my vocal range is just there to impress people, my usable vocal range is the octave and a half before Tenor C, anything else is just....Spencer Sotelo trickery.