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#41
I started learning PARTS of this song after about 1 year of playing, I've been playing for 3 years now and I can definitely play the parts cleaner and in better timing than when I first started. I still haven't learned the full song, I still can't play it perfectly, and it is definitely not "easy".

As for Creeping Death, I find it easier only down picking compared to alternate picking. MoP seems the other way around :S
#42
I want to see all the guys calling this song easy playing the rhythm part extremely tight and clean. right beat, right tempo,etc.
#43
Quote by xStargazer
I want to see all the guys calling this song easy playing the rhythm part extremely tight and clean. right beat, right tempo,etc.


Exactly, especially after only playing "about a year". The guys in Metallica were playing guitar for almost 10 years(if not more) and even they admit its close to the fastest they can play downstrokes.
#44
Playing almost constant 8th downstrokes at 212 bpm for about 8 minutes isn't easy.

If you group all songs into easy, intermediate and advanced (as some people, not me personally though, like to do) it'd be intermediate including the fast solo.

I can find a lot of easier metal songs to play, and while it certaintly isn't the hardest of songs or a very hard metal song it isn't an easy song to play. I haven't seen anyone who's been playing under two years play it cleanly with downstrokes and the fast solo.
#45
Woohoo!!

After playing it only downstrokes for awhile (and chromatics) I can now play it downstroked ALMOST to speed.

Of course I had to warmup alot first....


I also find it helps to angle the picking hand...
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#46
I don't see the point of down picking? It seems that there's no reason as to why it should sound different to alternate picking. If it sounds different because you pick harder couldn't you just adjust the way you alternate pick and achieve the same sound?
#47
Well I guess there's a difference in the sound...a greater scraping attack or something. I just want to get better at it to be more well-rounded as a player, and it's working
#48
No but i mean couldn't you achieve that sound by adjusting your alternate picking? I don't see the point of learning an entirely new (and harder) way of playing things when simply you're not playing upstrokes hard enough. I haven't tested this as I don't do down picking but it seems like a waste of time.

Is the only advantage of this that it makes people hit the string harder? If so, why can't alternate picking sound the same if done correctly?

I don't want to waste time learning a technique if it's actually useless and is a substitute for not alternate picking properly.
#49
No no, I can alternate pick properly (well at least I'll find out when I put it up for critique later) I just want to learn this along with it. Plus, if you can improve your downstrokes, your alternate picking base speed also improves I think.

I think each way depends on their rhythm. You can only get so fast with your downpicking before your hand dies I think, and that's where alt picking comes in....the faster stuff.

Also gallops usually start with downpicking as a base and throw alt picking in there. If you played a gallop with only alternate picking you'd have to switch your ENTIRE speed just to keep up, and you may lose the rhythm, since it's good to always keep your hand moving, and at one speed.

Also, try playing a fast palmmuted rhythm. For me alternate picking up the strings doesn't work when it comes to that.
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#50
New question though about MoP and Metallica in general.

While live, and Hetfield is singing, and also playing...what does Hammett play?


I'd figure it's hard enough to play the song, but to sing it at the same time??? I'm wondering if Hammett mostly takes over when Hetfield sings, and Hetfield just has to worry about backing chords....

Or maybe I have it wrong, anyone?
#51
Quote by Sy_B
New question though about MoP and Metallica in general.

While live, and Hetfield is singing, and also playing...what does Hammett play?


I'd figure it's hard enough to play the song, but to sing it at the same time??? I'm wondering if Hammett mostly takes over when Hetfield sings, and Hetfield just has to worry about backing chords....

Or maybe I have it wrong, anyone?

They just play the song as it's recorded. There's no "taking over" or anything like that, or they would have written the song differently in the first place. If during the song you only hear one riff such as the "spider riff" you posted, they're both playing it.
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#52
Oh wow....

That's actually pretty intense....one thing to play it, but another to sing it and play. Until now I thought people only played and sung when the notes were a simple rhythm...like just chords over and over again.

How the hell do you do that???


So if there's really no limit to that kind of thing, can people do it during taxing solos too?
#53
It's all about practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA4oq7DBU8E

This is Muhammed Suiçmez from Necrophagist, an phenomenally skilled death metal guitarist who also does the vocals of the band. Quite frankly, Necrophagist makes Metallica look like kid's play. Not that Metallica is extremely easy, it's just that Necrophagist are monsters. It's seriously all about practice.
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#54
Quote by Sy_B
Oh wow....

That's actually pretty intense....one thing to play it, but another to sing it and play. Until now I thought people only played and sung when the notes were a simple rhythm...like just chords over and over again.

How the hell do you do that???


So if there's really no limit to that kind of thing, can people do it during taxing solos too?


Yes they can. People can sing over anything if they train to. And once they're good at it they can do it easier and easier every time.

And about what you said about down picking, I realise you make a different sound when you down pick and when you don't but what I want to know is WHY it could possibly sound different if you alternate pick it a certain way. Have you tried adjusting your upstroke to sound more like a downstroke?
#55
Quote by neddomac
Yes they can. People can sing over anything if they train to. And once they're good at it they can do it easier and easier every time.

And about what you said about down picking, I realise you make a different sound when you down pick and when you don't but what I want to know is WHY it could possibly sound different if you alternate pick it a certain way. Have you tried adjusting your upstroke to sound more like a downstroke?


You could indeed adjust your upstrokes to make them sound like downstrokes but another upshot of downpicking is that certain rhythmic ideas become easier like galloping and putting gallops into rhythms where you feel like it, putting chords on certain beats so you don't have to jump over strings to pick them and, of course, if you can downpick for a whole song like Master Of Puppets you gain phenomenal amounts of picking hand stamina which is pretty key for any modern sounding metal band.

Yes, you could do it another way but there are advantages to downpicking well.
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#56
I downpick most of the song but haven't quite got the stamina to do the 012013014 intro riff downpicked. I do it down down up (all E string notes down, all A up). Getting there though.
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#57
Quote by Zaphod_Beeblebr
You could indeed adjust your upstrokes to make them sound like downstrokes but another upshot of downpicking is that certain rhythmic ideas become easier like galloping and putting gallops into rhythms where you feel like it, putting chords on certain beats so you don't have to jump over strings to pick them and, of course, if you can downpick for a whole song like Master Of Puppets you gain phenomenal amounts of picking hand stamina which is pretty key for any modern sounding metal band.

Yes, you could do it another way but there are advantages to downpicking well.


Okay thanks. Maybe i'll try learning MOP this way, i've been playing for like over 6 months so I think i'm ready to start trying it. I just wanted to know what uses it has.

Plus I wanted to start getting into learning faster metal stuff already but didn't know where to start.

Do you know if you downpick the whole song except the solo?
#58
Quote by neddomac
Okay thanks. Maybe i'll try learning MOP this way, i've been playing for like over 6 months so I think i'm ready to start trying it. I just wanted to know what uses it has.

Plus I wanted to start getting into learning faster metal stuff already but didn't know where to start.

Do you know if you downpick the whole song except the solo?

If it's an eighth note or slower, it's downpicked.
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#60
I recommend downpicking everything you play (as far as is possible) until you've got MOP down.

Then again, when you can play MOP all downpicked, you'll find you want to play more stuff all downpicked.
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#61
There's a lot of palm muting the low string in master of puppets. I'm confused as to whether or not i'm supposed to just try and find a way to only palm mute the top string and leave my palm there until I need to play a non palm muted part on the low string. Or should I completely stop palm muting when I have to play non palm muted parts on the higher strings? Even if it's just one note and then I go back to playing palm muted notes on the low string.

I'm just asking because I want to make my technique right the first time.
#62
Quote by neddomac
There's a lot of palm muting the low string in master of puppets. I'm confused as to whether or not i'm supposed to just try and find a way to only palm mute the top string and leave my palm there until I need to play a non palm muted part on the low string. Or should I completely stop palm muting when I have to play non palm muted parts on the higher strings? Even if it's just one note and then I go back to playing palm muted notes on the low string.

I'm just asking because I want to make my technique right the first time.


For MoP you'll want to release the mute as a lot of the things you need to do are also on the low E string. There are other songs you can get away with just carefully muting the low E only but MoP isn't one of them.
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#63
Quote by Zaphod_Beeblebr
For MoP you'll want to release the mute as a lot of the things you need to do are also on the low E string. There are other songs you can get away with just carefully muting the low E only but MoP isn't one of them.



I'm sorry I didn't understand any of that question....

You go back and forth between the E string. I figure everything on the E string is PMed.
#64
Quote by Sy_B
I'm sorry I didn't understand any of that question....

You go back and forth between the E string. I figure everything on the E string is PMed.


Not really, most of what's on the low E is muted but with things like the chords in the main riff you need to release the mute on both the E and A strings. You should be able to easily tell when you need to release the mute.
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#65
Quote by Sy_B
I remember reading something along the lines of Master of Puppets is easy, it's a song every guitarist should have in their arsenal, or something.


So, is Master of Puppets considered an easy song? I'm trying it out because I've never really played anything heavy before.



That song is not considered easy, and you probably will have trouble if you are just beginning. I am an Intermediate guitarist, and it took me a few days to get it right.
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#66
You have to 'bounce' your right palm up and down on the bridge to get the non-muted A-string notes. You might be able to do it some other way, but this is the way I do it.

You can see it pretty clearly on the KH youtube riffs video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOje5eecMMI
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#67
Hey guys thanks for the help. I kind of realised today that you can easily jump your palm up and down and still play fast. But because earlier I hadn't really ever done serious palm muting I was thinking it might destroy my picking but it's working.

My brains still trying to grasp the part where you go 0-0-7^0-0-6^0-0-5^0-4^0-3^0-2-1 and you have to mute all the 0s but leave the rest (^ means pull off).

I didn't really appreciate this song until I started playing it but now I like it a lot.

And no this song isn't easy. Wonderwall is an example of an easy song.
#68
*whistles in shock*

That's not on my tab neddomac. I'm following the one with over a thousand votes saying it's 5 stars and it doesn't say you have to pulloff those.
#69
Quote by Sy_B
*whistles in shock*

That's not on my tab neddomac. I'm following the one with over a thousand votes saying it's 5 stars and it doesn't say you have to pulloff those.


Well i'm using the highest rated guitar pro version 12 and I guess they probably sound similar. I'll still copy the guitar pro one though because you KNOW it sounds correct when you can listen to it play. But yeah, muting pull-offs fast is really confusing.
#70
If it was easy, everyone would be able to play it. It's just that there are alot of harder things in guitar.
#71
Hi dudes!
I am a bass player, got an e-guitar and started playing about 3 months ago. Now I'm improving MoP and I'll tell you what - it isn't a hard song to learn in terms of riffs, as those are quite easy, fun and addictive (for me). As in terms of speed and technique, at 208 bpm all downpicking, palm crazy mute bouncing! play it at least one loop flawless... LOL! I dare you! all of you badasses who claim it's easy! No alternates, no hammerons no cheating no nothing but 208bpm and downpicking. You'd need to tie your balls into a knot to do that. Even Hetfield when jamming it, looks like he's gonna deliver a baby.
Bottom line:
Easy for those whom mommy told they are good guitar players.
Hard for those who want to play it right!
#72
Quote by FlammenMeer
Hi dudes!
I am a bass player, got an e-guitar and started playing about 3 months ago. Now I'm improving MoP and I'll tell you what - it isn't a hard song to learn in terms of riffs, as those are quite easy, fun and addictive (for me). As in terms of speed and technique, at 208 bpm all downpicking, palm crazy mute bouncing! play it at least one loop flawless... LOL! I dare you! all of you badasses who claim it's easy! No alternates, no hammerons no cheating no nothing but 208bpm and downpicking. You'd need to tie your balls into a knot to do that. Even Hetfield when jamming it, looks like he's gonna deliver a baby.
Bottom line:
Easy for those whom mommy told they are good guitar players.
Hard for those who want to play it right!


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#73
so? does it mean I can't write anything on it?
it still popps up on google search and I bett there are players our there (not form this wonderfull forum) who are yet curios about MoP complexity.
#74
Successful troll is successful. Anyway the difficulty of playing a song is relitive if its hard keep practicing if you feel you can't do it well try something easier. We can close the thread now.
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#76
It isn't a case of what's considered hard or easy. It depends on your technique, and where it's at. , not about other people's considerations about the song, since they all have are at a different place in their own technique. For someone with a good technique, there's nothing difficult about that song, for someone who hasn't yet developed a solid technique, it's a different story. My post here will probably help, it's really the same problem:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1602679

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