Poll: Which keyboard layout?
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View poll results: Which keyboard layout?
QWERTY
365 96%
Dvorak
5 1%
Colemak
1 0%
XPeRT
1 0%
Neo
0 0%
other (which one?)
7 2%
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#161
After a discussion with my physics teacher yesterday and reading this tonight, I took apart my keyboard to reset into Dvorak and then I noticed the insides of the F and J keys are sideways so instead I'm buying these to place over the keys so I can have Dvorak and the added bonus of glow in the dark keys
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#162
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You'd be surprised how fast hardcore computer geeks can type. My max speed is 114 wpm without looking at the keyboard, and I spend all of my free time on the computer.
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#163
I've only ever heard of other keyboards on UG. This isn't the first thread on this. Learning to use another keyboard sounds like a lot of effort to me. I can touch type pretty quick on a QWERTY keyboard. Also, I wonder if it would be confusing to use two types? I could see using a different keyboard might be useful for a typist, or someone that did a lot of typing for their job.
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#164
Why learn any other type of keyboard, when QWERTY is without question the most used type? Almost every single computer has QWERTY. Pointless to learn a different one, unless the others were more common.
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#165
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My friend was heavily interested in wearing those (and so was I for a while), but I think I'd switch to Dvorak before using those. I know for those shoes you have to get your feet used to them, like wear them half an hour tops at first and stuff like that.

It just freaks me out a little to have my feet reshaped (so to speak) in order to use those shoes. I am really interested in Dvorak though, I'd imagine it wouldn't be THAT hard to memorize.

Unfortunately, I have no idea how to change the keys on my keyboard.



What does DVORAK have to do with ridiculous nanosuit shoes?
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#166
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Did you know that QWERTY was created to slow you down on purpose?


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#167
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It was very informative...
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#169
I'm left handed so; if qwerty is meant to suck for righties, it's gotta be good for me.

...and Dvorak and the other ones are probably designed for righties anyway.
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#170
qwerty because I don't feel like relearning anything.

and those vibram 5 finger shoes don't prove any benefit unless you have a certain foot structure. I can't even wear them because I have flat feet and I would be breaking bones in my foot without proper support, which those shoes lack. talked to a podiatrist about it before I ordered a pair and he pretty much told me outright that it would be extremely bad for my feet/ankles/knees etc, and I saved my money and bought a good pair of sneakers instead.
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#171
QWERTY

I got like like 80 wpm with it. I'm not changing.
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#172
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Yeah, but through constant repetition I'm super fast. I know Dvorak is supposed to be faster and better for you ergonomically, but I don't think it's worth hassle of learning a new system when QWERTY serves me perfectly well. Besides, I don't have the time to re-learn to type.


Why do people seem to think it takes a long time to learn how to type?
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#173
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Why do people seem to think it takes a long time to learn how to type?



Because of the slow process it takes to learn QWERTY. Most here had to take a class to learn it the "correct" way.
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#174
Im on QWERTY, it does the job fine, I can touch type pretty fast on it.

If I were inlcined to learn a new layout, I would probably wait until those custom keyboards with the clear keys which you can reprogram and load up different layouts on the fly get cheaper.
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#175
I wouldn't switch from QWERTY, simply because it's used on literally every keyboard I've had to type with.
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#176
A lot of people say they won't switch because of other computers having QWERTY, but do you guys really think you'll forget if you learn a new style?

Do you forget how to drive your car after driving another one for a while?
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#177
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A lot of people say they won't switch because of other computers having QWERTY, but do you guys really think you'll forget if you learn a new style?

Do you forget how to drive your car after driving another one for a while?


Although I agree that wou wont forget, the bolded part is not a good example.
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#178
Quote by Blackbullet
Although I agree that wou wont forget, the bolded part is not a good example.



I came up with it on the spot. But if you think about it, it's not too far off.


Maybe
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#179
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I came up with it on the spot. But if you think about it, it's not too far off.


Maybe



Maybe if you compare a flying car and a Formula 1 car
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#180
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Maybe if you compare a flying car and a Formula 1 car



Or a Mustang and McClaren F1
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#181
I'm reviving this thread for an update. I'm typing very fast with Dvorak now.

Most of the time I have been learning as I go, but in the beginning I used an app called Typist to get into the "preferred" method of typing computer classes teach.

Anyone else that switched have an update?
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#183
I never knew there was anything else but qwerty. O_O

And it'd be hell to learn a completely new keyboard layout, I mean, I'd be fumbling around everywhere. Hell, its almost as natural as talking at this point.

I'm open to new ideas though, I'll pull out an old keyboard and give dvorak a shot for a couple days.
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#184
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I never knew there was anything else but qwerty. O_O

And it'd be hell to learn a completely new keyboard layout, I mean, I'd be fumbling around everywhere. Hell, its almost as natural as talking at this point.

I'm open to new ideas though, I'll pull out an old keyboard and give dvorak a shot for a couple days.



Try it. I did in the beginning of this thread. I can still type just as fast with QWERTY if the need arises, but I have a faster and more efficient way to type.
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#185
I'm working on learning Dvorak myself. Fucking hard as hell.
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#186
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I'm working on learning Dvorak myself. Fucking hard as hell.



But nowhere near as hard as when you first learned QWERTY
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#187
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But nowhere near as hard as when you first learned QWERTY


I dunno, I've been using qwerty ever since I was a little kid. >_>
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#188
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I dunno, I've been using qwerty ever since I was a little kid. >_>



But to master it it must have taken quite some time. It would no matter what layout you first learn. The dexterity takes time to acquire.
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#189
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#190
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If I were inlcined to learn a new layout, I would probably wait until those custom keyboards with the clear keys which you can reprogram and load up different layouts on the fly get cheaper.

You mean something like this: Optimus Maximus Keyboard by Lebedev. Quite cool stuff.

Oh, and I'm using Swedish QWERTY because it's so much more useful than the Swiss German layout for typing German. Strange but true. Only thing I miss is ° and ç (sometimes).

About this Dvorak-Stuff, I tried for a short time to learn the Svorak-layout (Swedish Dvorak), but I found it of no actual use, as the movements were quite uncomfortable in comparison to the QWERTY I'm accustomed to. And it's too much of a hassle to learn to type slightly faster, which is almost a nonexistent gain from my current typing speed.
(Btw: Finger dexterity you learn with QWERTY is actually quite useful for a shred-guitarist...)

For comparison, you might want to check this site out to put it all in relation to eachother (international): Keyboard writing speed test.

Btw: QWERTY is not designed to make you slow, it just isn't designed very thoroughly. Plus it was rather designed for building typewriters easily.

Edit: I just managed 495 keystrokes/min and 90 words/min with 0 errors.

Edit2: And I can't use dvorak really, as I'm writing (or rather learning to write) with double pinyin layout. Which is also a reason why I can't switch to Win7, as Microsoft changed the input method to a much more impractical one... you can't select tone with 1234 anymore, instead it selects a character from the popup list. That list wasn't shown in XP until you actually wanted to have it and you could just type.
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#191
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I ain't even mad. Dunno what you are referring to to be honest.
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#192
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Btw: QWERTY is not designed to make you slow, it just isn't designed very thoroughly. Plus it was rather designed for building typewriters easily.



You are wrong about that. I'm not going to retype it all, but basically they needed to slow typists down in order for the keys to not jam.
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#193
I didn't know there were other keyboard layouts, I'm going to learn all of them.
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#194
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I didn't know there were other keyboard layouts, I'm going to learn all of them.



Good luck with that
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#195
So it's been over a year and a half and here I am reporting my results.

Dvorak is awesome.

At this point, I would consider myself a proficient user, although I am by no means a speed-typist (nor was I ever). Here is a list of pros and cons for anybody considering making the switch, or who might be on the fence about it.

Pros:

- You can feel the efficiency of the setup in every word you type. Since the letters are arranged to necessitate less movement, it's also much more comfortable.

- Will still be able to use qwerty keyboards (Though there may be a couple of minutes of remembering the layout if you haven't used it for a while)

- If you change the layout of your physical keys, people will no longer ask to use your computer, or they will look hilariously stupid if they insist on doing so anyway.

- Everybody will think you are a supergenius


Cons:

- Getting used to it is a hassle. It will take at least a month or two for you to become fully comfortable with it, and another few until you can type without making mistakes.

- Most games don't come configured for the Dvorak layout. While this is generally not a problem, games that don't let you rebind keys can be a hassle (especially WASD-controlled games). You can get around this by changing the setting of the keys back to qwerty while you play. It's a bit inconvenient, but not a huge deal.

- If you do change the physical layout of your keys, be prepared to explain to everyone who ever sees them what Dvorak is and why you changed.


Overall, it may seem like more trouble than it's worth, but I have to say that I have personally enjoyed the change and really like the Dvorak layout better than qwerty. I would recommend switching if you're thinking about it and willing to work through the learning period.
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