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metalhead352
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Join date: May 2011
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#81
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/inlay.html
This was a pretty good tutorial.

Mintsauce did this inlaying trick that seemed like a great idea to me. https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1344930&page=6&pp=20&highlight=random+star+build Here's his build. He taped off the fretboard where the inlays would go, placed the cut inlays on it, and spraypainted over them. It leaves a perfect outline to dremel to, and the paint comes off when you sand the inlay and fretboard.

EDIT; This guitar is coming out awesome by the way. Really want to see this one finished.
*insert witty statement here*
Last edited by metalhead352 at Aug 4, 2012,
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
288 IQ
#82
Quote by metalhead352
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/inlay.html
This was a pretty good tutorial.

Mintsauce did this inlaying trick that seemed like a great idea to me. https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1344930&page=6&pp=20&highlight=random+star+build Here's his build. He taped off the fretboard where the inlays would go, placed the cut inlays on it, and spraypainted over them. It leaves a perfect outline to dremel to, and the paint comes off when you sand the inlay and fretboard.

EDIT; This guitar is coming out awesome by the way. Really want to see this one finished.
That trick Mintsauce did looks interesting. Thanks!

Any of you also have experience cutting inlay pieces? Got any tips, or is it just a skill I need to develop?
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
288 IQ
#83
Update!

I decided to rip the fretboard from the neck (again). I just can't get the route tight and the inlays won't make a nice fit. So I think I will order a new fretboard and smack it on without inlay but with the LED side dots.

I still really like my inlay idea and still want to use it since I got it from my own personal experience in the hospital. But I know it will be a thorn in my eye if it ain't good looking. Now I am very aware that this is a first build and many details will be a bit off but the inlay is something that kinda catches they eye, doesn't it?
My Grass Roots has a shitty inlay job and I hate that.

Updates are low and slow at the moment cause I'm not really putting time in it.
So the plan for now is:
Take fretboard off.
Put new fretboard on with LED's.
Make a guide to shape the neck
Shape the neck, obviously.
Complete the body cavities.
Glue the neck and body.
Hardware.

Also, a while back I saw a program on Dutch television where they showed some kind of store in america where they have tools, CNC and more. You buy a subscription and you can come in and use the tools. They said allot of customers made their own guitars because of the CNC machine.
Does this company sound familiar to any of you? I was wondering if there was a company like that in the Netherlands.
I was thinking I could use the CNC to cut out the fretboard and inlay pieces.
Don't Panic Ok?
Clive Dunn
Join date: Oct 2007
279 IQ
#84
Quote by Droste
Also, a while back I saw a program on Dutch television where they showed some kind of store in america where they have tools, CNC and more. You buy a subscription and you can come in and use the tools. They said allot of customers made their own guitars because of the CNC machine.
Does this company sound familiar to any of you? I was wondering if there was a company like that in the Netherlands.
I was thinking I could use the CNC to cut out the fretboard and inlay pieces.

I haven't ever heard of that company, but it seems super sweet. If you happen to find out the name of it I'd definitely be interested in knowing.

DON'T PANIC! DON'T PANIC!
THEY DON'T LIKE IT UP 'EM!
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
288 IQ
#85
Hello again.


I'm back to building again! It took me awhile to decide what to do and I'm going for the non inlay board. Bit bummed, but I just do not have the skill to get it tight.



So today I ripped the fretboard of again:



Took me about 40 minutes as you can see on the timer. I started out with the sock but after a while I took it out. As soon as the heat got in the fretboard I pried a Stanley knife through to get through the glue and had a screwdriver to keep the fretboard apart from the neck.


This shows how I kept the fibers together. It's just a little heat-shrink but I did not subject it to heat.


So when the fretboard was off I tried to turn the truss and I managed to snap the hole for the wrench and somehow ruin the brass housing. Seems the glue totally got a grip on it so if I would have finished it like it was I would have never been able to correct the string tension.


This is how the glue looks like after I took the truss out. It got all in there.


This hasn't really got much to do with the build but I took those closeup shots with this little magnifying glass. It works really neat, since I'm just making pics with an iPhone4 you can't always get the focus for a close shot.


So next step?
Wait for parts. New truss and fretboard.

Also gotta sand the neck because it looks like a proper mess. Get the glue out the truss channel and clean the fiber channel a bit.

Had anyone got some advice for when I glue the new fretboard on and keep the truss from seizing up?
Last edited by Droste at Jan 16, 2013,
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#87
Quote by Explorerbuilder
Those hot rod truss rods are absolute junk. I dont know how stew mac can even keep selling Them.

Why don't you like them? Got any recommendations? I really don't know too much about them but that a 2 way truss could be somewhat better since you can compensate in both directions.


This is about all I can choose from:
http://guitarsupplies.nl/index.php?item=&action=page&group_id=20000066&lang=NL

Or I'll have to go on Ebay.
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#89
Quote by Explorerbuilder
Well it is probably going to be harder to get anything else where you are at.
But those hot rods are just plain junk. The welds are weak and they are junk metal. You can break the nut off with almost no effort. I will never use one of those again.

That doesn't sound good at all. Do you get yours of Ebay? What would you recommend?
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#91
Quote by Explorerbuilder
I do get mine off ebay, but the place i get them from doesnt ship out of the USA.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Truss-Rod-Steel-18-1-8-Two-way-adjustment-/230887447212?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item35c1f6daac

Thank you for the info man.


http://www.ebay.nl/itm/No8-Double-Type-Truss-Rod-460mm-/130814132554?pt=UK_Guitar_Accessories&hash=item1e7521414a#ht_500wt_740

Think I'm going for that one. Steel truss. Not going with brass no more.
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
288 IQ
#92


Got my new fretboard in this afternoon. This one is pre-radiussed on 12" since I won't be making inlays for this one.
Also got a input jack plate.



Look at the warp you get when taking a fretboard off. Amazing.
If you glue it back on it won't be a problem though.

I will be gluing the old fretboard to a flat piece of wood and practice the art of routing inlay slots. Never throw your stuff away!
Explorerbuilder
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Join date: Aug 2010
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#94
Quote by W4RP1G
Have you used the allparts truss rods? If so, how does it compare the on in the link?

I havnt used allparts truss rods. The ones i linked are perfect in every way, so i dont have a reason to try another kind. I buy them in the 5 pack for 40 bucks, so it is a great deal too.
KrymsinViking
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Join date: Nov 2010
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#95
Quote by Explorerbuilder
I havnt used allparts truss rods. The ones i linked are perfect in every way, so i dont have a reason to try another kind. I buy them in the 5 pack for 40 bucks, so it is a great deal too.


Where do you guys get your body blanks? eBay them?
W4RP1G
Please, call me Pig.
Join date: May 2010
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#97
Quote by Explorerbuilder
I havnt used allparts truss rods. The ones i linked are perfect in every way, so i dont have a reason to try another kind. I buy them in the 5 pack for 40 bucks, so it is a great deal too.

I see. I might have to try one of those out and compare.

Quote by KrymsinViking
Where do you guys get your body blanks? eBay them?

I buy all of my wood at a local hardwood store.
W4RP1G
Please, call me Pig.
Join date: May 2010
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#100
Quote by Explorerbuilder
Local lumberyard here too. I can get a big board that i can get 4 huge bodies and necks out of for about the price of 1 stew mac body blank.

This is so true. I understand that stewmac has to square and glue the blanks, but the mark-up is still ridiculous.
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#103
Quote by Explorerbuilder
ALWAYS shape the neck after it is glued on and fretted.

Oh I would've never thought of that actually. I thought you had to shape after the fretboard is on. Without frets.

Thanks man! Is there a specific advantage to doing it like that?


I'm thinking about using a wood rasp to get the rough shape and use sandpaper to finish it.
whoomit
Join date: Jul 2006
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#104
Quote by Explorerbuilder
ALWAYS shape the neck after it is glued on and fretted.

I've fretted after shaping the neck, and it is awkward and stupid so I'd agree.

Why shape after fitting it though?
Explorerbuilder
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#105
Because it maeks it that much more difficult to glue a flat piece to a piece that is rounded on one side.

I have found the most fool proof and easiest way is to:
Cut headstock, truss rod channel, and neck taper first (not in that order)
Glue fretboard on
Radius, fret
Then carve the back of the neck.
whoomit
Join date: Jul 2006
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#106
Quote by Explorerbuilder
Because it maeks it that much more difficult to glue a flat piece to a piece that is rounded on one side.

I have found the most fool proof and easiest way is to:
Cut headstock, truss rod channel, and neck taper first (not in that order)
Glue fretboard on
Radius, fret
Then carve the back of the neck.

OH.

Shape after the fretboard is glued on, gotcha.

Thought you meant shape after fitting the neck onto the body, whoops.
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#107
Thanks for the info, much appreciated!

New parts are ordered and should hopefully arrive this week.
Till then I will be figuring out how to route the channel for the fibers and pups in the body.
Also I want to do the same layout as explorerbuilder for the control knobs. If I am correct that is the 84 Gibson/ESP layout. I have the body of a 76 explorer.
I dig the ESP shape more, also the layout for the controls but I have never found a template for that.
Droste
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Join date: May 2011
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#109
Thanks again, I will be going for that to make the control layout.


Today received the trussrod. I gotta say, Explorerbuilder was dead on. The hotrod doesn't even come close quality wise to this one. And for less than half the price of a hotrod. Don't know how the hotrod one got so popular.

Anyway, I will be putting the new rod in soon. Still waiting for an other part in the meantime.