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I was wondering if the Peavey 6505 and a 2 x12 Rectifier Cab would be good for recording Metal guitars at bedroom volume. Also, any comments on the sound of this killer amp combo? I'm planning on getting these sometime soon. I'll be using a Schecter C-1 Hellraiser FR as my axe and an Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer
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Not necessarily a bedroom volume set-up, but you can't go wrong with that set up. It will sound sick.
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Not necessarily a bedroom volume set-up, but you can't go wrong with that set up. It will sound sick.

I have a crappy Marshall MG 100HDFX stack.... since the cab is 2x12 it's gonna be quiter right? If not I can get something to lower the volume when I crank it.
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Nope. Record loud. Having said that, define "good". You're probably looking at some kind of DI setup. What are you trying to produce quality wise?

Sound is probably good on that combo, but don't buy it until you've heard it. It has to sound right to YOU. Your cab (well, speakers) will color your tone more than anything else and buying the wrong one will make you hate all your gear. I did for the longest time.

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I have a crappy Marshall MG 100HDFX stack.... since the cab is 2x12 it's gonna be quiter right? If not I can get something to lower the volume when I crank it.

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ideal circumstances would be to get a iso cab and a high wattage speaker. then you can dime it with the mic positioned in the front chamber, hook up and go. really the only way you can record at bedroom volumes with a high gain amp, with real speakers and getting it to sound good.
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
ideal circumstances would be to get a iso cab and a high wattage speaker. then you can dime it with the mic positioned in the front chamber, hook up and go. really the only way you can record at bedroom volumes with a high gain amp, with real speakers and getting it to sound good.


Damn skippy. Iso cabs are great.
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I have a crappy Marshall MG 100HDFX stack.... since the cab is 2x12 it's gonna be quiter right? If not I can get something to lower the volume when I crank it.

A 212 cab won't be any quieter than a 412 cab. It will simply sound a little tighter. Less boom on the low end. The fact that you are going from a solid state 100 watt amp to a tube 120 watt amp will make a great deal of difference in perceived volume however.

You can get an attenuator to lower the volume but make sure to look at the cost so you know what you're getting into. I use a 6505+ with a 212 cab for my home and gigging rig.
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That's the correct answer - build an iso cab. I've seen a closet converted into one.
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if you can't build one, buy this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/randall-isolation-12-speaker-cab

i need to find some time for my cabinet building. i have two and a half 4'x8' sheets of Baltic Birch and two 1x15"cabs that are cut and ready to assemble. from that i will keep building cabs until i run out of wood and speakers.
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Guess it depends on what your idea of bedroom volume is. A 6505 is going to sound a little dull until you get the channel/master volume up beyond 1. At that point it's decently loud. And don't bother with an attenuator.
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depending on how good your walls / closet door / bedroom door is, yeah. a closet can be an iso "room???"

in fact....my amp is in the closet right now for this reason. i have fairly crap apartment walls/door, so i can still hear it fairly loud, but it takes "a bit off the top" i can turn up just a bit more.

the trick was that i put the speaker side towards the wall, away from me. that helped A LOT. speakers pointing out towards the bedroom really does still project into my room.

another key factor is we ditched the rugs to get hardwood = less of a seal on the door = louder amp.

but yes. previously, with carpet, with cab pointed away from me, i got power tube distortion out f a 40 watt dv mark lil 40. it was LOUD, but no cops were called.
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Quote by Sir Stoney
I have a crappy Marshall MG 100HDFX stack.... since the cab is 2x12 it's gonna be quiter right? If not I can get something to lower the volume when I crank it.


Nope, it'll be a HELL of a lot louder. I too, suffered from having to run a Marshall MG halfstack for awhile. I finally sold it and bought a 6505+ 112. That's a 60 watt amp with only ONE speaker. With the volume on 3 it is easily louder than that MG maxed, or at least it sounds that way because it has a much, much thicker, richer tone. My MG would barely compete with a drummer and it also sounded like an awful, farty mess at that volume. You're in for a big surprise if you go this route; 'nuff said.

An attenuator does not really apply to 6505s. They get most of their tone from the preamp, not from power tube distortion at high volumes. That said, they are not "bedroom" amps. They get their best tone when turned up a little above "2" on the post gain (volume, basically). At that level they are far beyond "bedroom" volume. That said, they can be EQ'd to sound decent at lower volumes, but that EQ changes when turning them up. And once you hear one cranked a little, you won't want to turn it down again, lol.
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I tried a hot plate with my 6505+ and it was useless. Most effective I've found is turning the volume down 4-6db on my 10 band EQ in the loop.
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Nope. Record loud. Having said that, define "good". You're probably looking at some kind of DI setup. What are you trying to produce quality wise?

Sound is probably good on that combo, but don't buy it until you've heard it. It has to sound right to YOU. Your cab (well, speakers) will color your tone more than anything else and buying the wrong one will make you hate all your gear. I did for the longest time.


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Well I have the Marshall MG100HDFX with matching cab and I think any amp I buy will sound 20x better. Now the most I'd do with this set up is mic it and record covers and make my own songs. I've heard several demos on this set up. I've played the 6505+, but it was a little bright and harsh, but come to find out that the regular 6505+ is actually a brighter and tighter 6505 with less gain. Then the peavey cab is really dark sounding. Use a rectifier cab instead to open the sound up.

Now to the other thing. Isn't there a ohms hotplate that I could buy to lower the loudness of the guitar so I can get the tubes cranked up without having to shatter a few windows? Thanks.
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Nope, it'll be a HELL of a lot louder. I too, suffered from having to run a Marshall MG halfstack for awhile. I finally sold it and bought a 6505+ 112. That's a 60 watt amp with only ONE speaker. With the volume on 3 it is easily louder than that MG maxed, or at least it sounds that way because it has a much, much thicker, richer tone. My MG would barely compete with a drummer and it also sounded like an awful, farty mess at that volume. You're in for a big surprise if you go this route; 'nuff said.

An attenuator does not really apply to 6505s. They get most of their tone from the preamp, not from power tube distortion at high volumes. That said, they are not "bedroom" amps. They get their best tone when turned up a little above "2" on the post gain (volume, basically). At that level they are far beyond "bedroom" volume. That said, they can be EQ'd to sound decent at lower volumes, but that EQ changes when turning them up. And once you hear one cranked a little, you won't want to turn it down again, lol.



Well I'm looking for an amp that can be used with an attenuator. I've looked at the Mesa Boogie Mark V. I wanted to get the Peavey since it was much cheaper, but still sounds really sick. I'm still in highschool so my parents won't like the volume haha. The attenuator is a must haha.
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You'll get crucified in here for thinking about using a mark V (or any high gain tube amp) with an attenuator :P If you have the money for a mark v + cab but can't play with the master turned up even just a little bit, I'd really look at going with some sort of FRFR setup. Maybe look at something like the ENGL E530 preamp, a nice set of headphones and some sort of powered FRFR speakers. I guess another option would be a vypyr 60w tube combo or the 120w tube head + cab.

Or jump off the deep end and look into the higher end digital systems (Fractal AxeFX II or Kemper KPA).
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You'll get crucified in here for thinking about using a mark V (or any high gain tube amp) with an attenuator :P If you have the money for a mark v + cab but can't play with the master turned up even just a little bit, I'd really look at going with some sort of FRFR setup. Maybe look at something like the ENGL E530 preamp, a nice set of headphones and some sort of powered FRFR speakers. I guess another option would be a vypyr 60w tube combo or the 120w tube head + cab.

Or jump off the deep end and look into the higher end digital systems (Fractal AxeFX II or Kemper KPA).


Haha, I'm probably gonna get used gear anyways. I was gonna get a used Peavey 6505 and a mesa 2x12 cab and still be under $1200. Now that I know that attenuators don't work with the 6505 puts me in a bad position. I really don't have the money to buy a Mesa Head AND cab. So I'll have to get the head and wait a bit. This amp thing is a one time thing so if I do find a band I want a stack. I just like the thought of a stack. Now the attenuator would just be for recording. I've played a Marshall MG for 5 years so I think I can handle it at low volume and still be satisfied with the tone haha. When it comes to guitar recording I want the best tone possible. I also live in an apartment, so when I decide to record I do need the attenuator. Any amps with an amazing lead/rhythm tone that are under $1500 US that can be used with an attenuator? Thanks.
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It's not that they don't work, they just don't work the way you'd expect. Modern high gain amps get pretty much all their overdrive/distortion from the preamp, so using an attenuator isn't really a great solution (they add their own color to you tone). This isn't just an issue with the 6505 head, it goes for pretty much any amp.

Most amps with effect loops can be used just as a preamp if you like. I've hooked my 6505 up in 4CM with my HD500 for just that purpose. Just never run a tube amp without a load (speaker) Actually, the 6505 and 6505+ heads have dedicated preamp out jacks.
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Actually the 6505 is not a bad choice for bedroom levels. The distorton is all pre-amp. It doesnt sound as bright with the volume down, but I play in my room and my wife cant hear it in the next room. With the Bad Monkey in front of it the tone is great for metal at a reasonable volume.

I play a 5150 2X12 combo, which is basically the same amp as you are looking at. I play with the volume at like one-half and it sounds great.
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Actually the 6505 is not a bad choice for bedroom levels. The distorton is all pre-amp. It doesnt sound as bright with the volume down, but I play in my room and my wife cant hear it in the next room. With the Bad Monkey in front of it the tone is great for metal at a reasonable volume.

I play a 5150 2X12 combo, which is basically the same amp as you are looking at. I play with the volume at like one-half and it sounds great.

I'm looking to get the 6505 212 combo used. I'll have a MXR 10 band EQ and a TS9 Tubescreamer to get a decent sound our of it. Anyone know where I can get this amp for less than $700 used? US?
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The 6505 series begs for an eq in the effects loop, good choice.
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Quote by Sir Stoney
I'm looking to get the 6505 212 combo used. I'll have a MXR 10 band EQ and a TS9 Tubescreamer to get a decent sound our of it. Anyone know where I can get this amp for less than $700 used? US?

guitar center, ebay, craigslist.
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So this is just reassurance... The 5150 series is the same thing as the 6505. (Head and combo,) And the 6505+ is just not as good for metal. Now the 5150s used are a little bit cheaper than the 6505s... But they seem to be pretty old. Would I be better off paying for the newer product or just buy the cheaper one?
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if you can't build one, buy this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/randall-isolation-12-speaker-cab

i need to find some time for my cabinet building. i have two and a half 4'x8' sheets of Baltic Birch and two 1x15"cabs that are cut and ready to assemble. from that i will keep building cabs until i run out of wood and speakers.


Pretty crappy/poor planning that it comes with a V30. I think most people who are going to need an iso cab are going to be micing an amp that's more than 60W.
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It's an MIA Peavey. How old it is doesn't matter. Thing can't break. 5150s/6505s in particular are kind of known for their toughness.

The 6505+ is amazing for metal. The thing is that the 6505 and 6505+ each have specializations in different kinds of metal.

If you're doing metalcore / other types of metal with a really modern and defined/compressed tone, you want the 6505+. If you're doing more sludgly stuff or death metal, you want the 6505. Either can work for either type, but that's just where they're more specialized.
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It's an MIA Peavey. How old it is doesn't matter. Thing can't break. 5150s/6505s in particular are kind of known for their toughness.

The 6505+ is amazing for metal. The thing is that the 6505 and 6505+ each have specializations in different kinds of metal.

If you're doing metalcore / other types of metal with a really modern and defined/compressed tone, you want the 6505+. If you're doing more sludgly stuff or death metal, you want the 6505. Either can work for either type, but that's just where they're more specialized.

I'm wanting a thick mid heavy crunchy rhythm tone with a tight low end. For the leads they just need to be smooth. I like playing Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold, Pantera etc. I was thinking the 6505/5150 would be better than the 6505+
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The +/II is tighter and smoother than the regular 5150/6505.
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Separate eq's on the channels is a must for me.
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That's pretty much the rig I'm trying to save up for myself. 6505+ (the 60w Combo in my case) with an Mxr 10-band eq, a tube screamer, and a Morley tremonti power Wah.
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6505+ will make you crap your pants. I have one w/ a 1960a cab. Its Heavy metal machine that'll make your ears bleed. I promise you wont be disappointed w/ the tone as far as a metal sound.
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That would definitely be a killer sounding rig, but why would you get a 5150/6505 for a bedroom setup? That thing just BEGS to be played loudly. You'll get good tones, but blah, it's almost unholy.

Get a Tubemeister or HT-5 if you want bedroom tones. You'll be able to push the tubes more in the HT-5 and the H&K has a direct out that sounds awesome.
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That would definitely be a killer sounding rig, but why would you get a 5150/6505 for a bedroom setup? That thing just BEGS to be played loudly. You'll get good tones, but blah, it's almost unholy.

Get a Tubemeister or HT-5 if you want bedroom tones. You'll be able to push the tubes more in the HT-5 and the H&K has a direct out that sounds awesome.

Im looking to get this amp so I can record guitars with it. I'll crank it when I'm recording and find that perfect tone. As long as it sounds better than a Marshall MG 100HDFX at bedroom level I will be satisfied.
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Quote by FenrirFangs
Get a Tubemeister or HT-5 if you want bedroom tones. You'll be able to push the tubes more in the HT-5 and the H&K has a direct out that sounds awesome.
Which doesn't matter in the slightest if you're playing modern metal.

In fact, for this genre low wattage would sound like utter shit.
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Which doesn't matter in the slightest if you're playing modern metal.

In fact, for this genre low wattage would sound like utter shit.


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I'm also going to be playing Classic Rock. So the compressed tone of the plus wouldn't be that great. Also, bedroom volume varies throughout the day. During the day when my parents are gone or don't care, I can crank it and record, or just jam. At night it needs to be turned down to the point where it doesn't disturb people sleeping. I've played Marshall MG amps since I started playing, I think a peavey 6505/5150 combo could do it better than the MG junk. I've looked these amps up and they sound amazing, so why not? And the 1x12 combo doesn't sound as appealing as the 2x12. I know they sound different but it won't bother me too much. I can always upgrade the speakers to Vintage 30s and swap tubes, I have a TS9 Tubescreamer to boost and I have a MxR 10 band. So my tone will be pretty sweet. I'm set on what I'm getting xD
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I've also been playing 6+ years. I started when I was 12 so that's probably why I got the Marshall MG. Ive always had great taste in guitars though.
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Quote by leo4sf
I play a 5150 2X12 combo, which is basically the same amp as you are looking at. I play with the volume at like one-half and it sounds great.

It's worth pointing out that the 60W combo versions of the amp sound better at lower volumes, i.e. it sounds about as good on 2 as a 120W head sounds on 3ish.