Omni-Virus
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Okay so here's the thing guys: I have an EBMM (Ernie Ball Music Man) Axis Supersport Rockstar Version. It is a Basswood body with a Maple neck and a Rosewood fretboard. I wanna put my Tone Zone back into my neck position. This however brings up the problem of getting a Bridge pickup.

First things first it has to come in F-spacing.

I want it to have more output than the Tone Zone, but I also want it to sound thicker than the Tone Zone as well. I find that when the Tone Zone is in the bridge position it sounds slightly brittle and I don't like that at all. I want it to be very chunky and very smooth and have lots of chugga chugga and if it can do artificial harmonics and pinch harmonics easily that would be a plus too.

I have a sound that I'm slightly looking for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg4q-7LvbIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6JcLyQzjRM

but in relation I want slightly more bassiness/thickness and more smoothness and less of the high-mid and treble. The pickups these guys are using is the Super Distortion. I've heard the Super 3 is good but I've heard the lowered bass on it can make it sound empty. So if you know anything equal to or higher output than a Super Distortion or Super 3 that's thicker and smoother, that'd be what I'm looking for :P

I'd prefer posts that include sound clips or videos of the recommended pickup(s).

Note: Needs to be a Passive Humbucker
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Might want to look at the Breed. Also I know exactly where you're comig from with regards to the Tone Zone sounding "brittle".

Output's largely irrelevant, that's why pickups are height adjustable, pedals exist and amps have knobs
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I've found output is important in my amp's case. That's why I'm trying to look for more of it :/
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It probably isn't as important as you think, as long as you can broadly classify a pickup as low, medium or hot it's usually going to do the job as far as output goes regardless of the fine details
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I'm using an amp that's very touchy with pickup output. Most people put air nortons in their neck and say it has enough balls. It barely pushed my amp at all. Believe me when I say output is important.
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It's a Raven RG60. It's a 60-watt 1x12 speaker Solid State. Actually one of the best solid states ever. Sounds better than most tube amps IMO.
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In that case I stand by everything I've already suggested
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I'll consider it, but in the case that I actually need a bridge with higher output, then what would you recommend?
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How about we focus on the actual topic. My amp is fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It sounds nicer than most amps I've played. Focus on the bridge pickup guys.
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They aren't wasting your time. Its a cheap SS practice amp.

Seriously your pick-up will have about... 10% difference in tone? Probably much less through your amp. Your money would be better spend on a new amp.

With the $$ for the pick-up you could be half way to a used tube amp that would really help you.

Your time would be better spent in the accessories forum looking for a new amp.
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I've used this amp for gigs, it gets very loud and it sounds better than the low-end tube amps I've played through. The amp is fine. I'm asking about a bridge pickup guys. GAWD. Either answer the question or go away. Seriously.
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Quote by Omni-Virus
How about we focus on the actual topic. My amp is fine. There's nothing wrong with it. It sounds nicer than most amps I've played. Focus on the bridge pickup guys.


With all due respect; If your amp was fine, then you wouldn't have an issue with your sound (You already have high-output HBs, which are more than capable of outputting that sort of sound).
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Finally found the sound I want, but I want it with a bit more bass in my tone. Again, Basswood body. The pickups I currently have are a tone zone in the bridge and a norton in the neck. I want my tone zone back in the neck because I've used it before and I like that tone, but I need a bridge to match to get this tone. The amp does fine at what it does, trust me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG9v0QD7H2A
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Quote by Omni-Virus
Finally found the sound I want, but I want it with a bit more bass in my tone. Again, Basswood body. The pickups I currently have are a tone zone in the bridge and a norton in the neck. I want my tone zone back in the neck because I've used it before and I like that tone, but I need a bridge to match to get this tone. The amp does fine at what it does, trust me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG9v0QD7H2A


In that recording, there are actually 2 guitars. That's why it produces that very punchy, but full, tone.

Also, choosing sound clips that feature other instruments (especially studio recordings, like that) are going to seriously affect how we hear the guitar.

Trust me. You won't be able to achieve that tone by changing your pickups. It's no possible. If gain, or punch, was the issue with your sound - then your current pickups are not the problem.


Trust me. Trust me. No matter how much you want to convince yourself that getting new, and cool, pickups is going to solve anything - It just isn't the case.
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In that case I'd like to know if I should try getting a speaker change, as I like my amp.
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New amp. Don't waste the money. Your dollars will stretch more used.
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I had the same problem with my tonezone and I replaced it with a dimarzio Fred. it was a vast improvement, Its not as flat sounding as the tonezone. I would look into getting one of those.....
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#23
Reading all your posts this morning, made my Monday a whole lot better!

Anyways, I know you probably don't want to hear it... but, the only real solution to your predicament is to upgrade your amp.

I know you probably think the thing sounds great now, but in all honesty, it's probably because you haven't fully developed your ears to picking up the fine points of a guitars/amps tone yet.

When I first got my peavey rage 8 years ago, I thought it was the best thing on the go. But once I started playing more, and experimenting with different equipment, I soon realized how bad the thing actually sounded (compared to a nice tube amp!).

But if you’re happy with your tone, that’s completely fine. Just STOP posting topics on this forum, and then bad mouthing everyone that offers you help or an opinion. The whole purpose of this forum is for us to help each other! If you don't want help, then stay away!
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High output tube amps are the way to go. But if you don't want the tone zone, send it my way lol.
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Okay so after all of this time my amp has started dying. I'm planning on getting a Peavey Bandit 112 (hopefully the red striped version). I still wanna get my Tone Zone back into my neck, so I'd like to hear from someone a good bridge to compliment it.
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Note: I also like using the middle position a lot (bridge and neck in series) to add a little bit of top end, so I'd like to make sure the bridge isn't too thin of a sound. I'm not sure how much the output would affect it but as I said I'm open for ideas.
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Also I've tried the Crunch Lab in the bridge previously and it was really thin, so anything beefier or darker than that would be what I'd be looking for.
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#28
Spend as much as you possibly can on the amp and worry about getting a new pickup later. I think a Peavey Bandit is pretty lacking myself.

I can't offer an opinion on a pickup to compliment the Tone Zone in the neck as I've never heard or looked into that. Sorry.
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I've never heard a single person complain about a peavey bandit 112. What version was it?
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Never mind. I've been listening to some videos of the Super 3 online. While the videos are pretty shitty quality I could hear a really saggy low-end thump that I like.
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I've never heard a single person complain about a peavey bandit 112.

You just heard me complain about it. I think there are better amps in the same price range, but even then, if you pay a bit more you get even better amps. A used Vypyr Tube can be found for $300 around here, sometimes with a Sanpera pedal.
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Dude, have you ever tried thicker strings or boosting the bass and mids on your amp?
Both maybe
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Quote by Omni-Virus
I've never heard a single person complain about a peavey bandit 112. What version was it?

I've never heard a single person say anything particularly good about them

They're reliable and built like tanks, the clean channel on mine was great as was the reverb but as far as distortion went it just wasn't there at all and got very boxy if you cranked the volume.

Solid, but decidedly unspectacular amps. Great as a backup amp but not what you should be looking at as a main amp given the tones you're looking for.
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#34
Do not get a Bandit. I hated mine, the distortion sucks. It's just another run of the mill SS amp. By getting one, you would not be upgrading.