CryogenicHusk
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Any good songs for practicing your right hand rhythm technique? Something like Fear Factory but for 6 strings and preferably E standard (Maybe D standard/drop D. I think my strings are too low a gauge to go lower than that). Some jazz would be ok, too, but I can easily open my jazz standards book for that and learn something. For metal, I need suggestions since I usually listen to stuff like Malmsteen or Cacophony. I've decided to take a temporary break from trying to learn solos and focus on Rhythm and theory. Suggestions?
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Over The Wall by Testament, it's got a bunch of different right hand techniques.
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Well, practicing down-picking never hurts. And that's Metallica, for sure. I am serious. I am not a big fan of Metallica but songs like Seek and Destroy & Ride The Lightning really helped my down and alternate picking. Master of Puppets is of course the ultimate down-picking rehearsal for me, when it comes to metal.
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This.
Also, if you're willing to tune down to Drop D, you could play some Tool.
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Cool. Thank you all. Also Pantera's Cowboys from Hell just came to mind.
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Not sure it fits your musical style, since you dident mention it. But funk guitar is a great way to improve right hand.

Everything from old funk (James Brown, Tower of Power etc) to funk rock (Early chili peppers, extreme) is great to develop your sense of rhythm, in both hands.
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Quote by Sickz
Not sure it fits your musical style, since you dident mention it. But funk guitar is a great way to improve right hand.

Everything from old funk (James Brown, Tower of Power etc) to funk rock (Early chili peppers, extreme) is great to develop your sense of rhythm, in both hands.


Sounds good to me too. The more styles I learn the merrier (even pop is good). But with metal I didn't have good ideas because most of what I listen to is either lead-centric stuff like Cacophony and Malmsteen or really old stuff like early Sabbath and Blue Cheer which are arguably more blues rock than metal.

I recently checked out Fear Factory and the rhythms really caught my attention in Demanfacture, Fear Campaign, and some other tunes (unfortunately Dino plays 8/7 strings and/or lower tunings), which is why I started asking about metal preferably in E standard (but like I said, my strings can take D standard and drop D just fine too and there's no reason to think they wouldn't take e-flat standard just as well... It's just that I like not having to change tunings for every song I play and most of what I play right now is in E standard like Led Zep and early Sabbath).
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Quote by CryogenicHusk
Sounds good to me too. The more styles I learn the merrier (even pop is good). But with metal I didn't have good ideas because most of what I listen to is either lead-centric stuff like Cacophony and Malmsteen or really old stuff like early Sabbath and Blue Cheer which are arguably more blues rock than metal.

I recently checked out Fear Factory and the rhythms really caught my attention in Demanfacture, Fear Campaign, and some other tunes (unfortunately Dino plays 8/7 strings and/or lower tunings), which is why I started asking about metal preferably in E standard (but like I said, my strings can take D standard and drop D just fine too and there's no reason to think they wouldn't take e-flat standard just as well... It's just that I like not having to change tunings for every song I play and most of what I play right now is in E standard like Led Zep and early Sabbath).


Well incase of more metal oriented styles i'd recommend progressive metal. If anything is going to up your rhythm skills it is that.

Check out bands such as:
Dream Theater
Symphony X
Seventh Wonder
Pagan's Mind
Circus Maximus
Protest the hero (not prog metal but still very good)
Vanden Plas
Anubis Gate
Planet X

Despite being bands that are very lead heavy, they also have very much amazing rhythm guitar work. I promise they are atleast worth to check out.

Cheers, and good luck!
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Quote by Sickz
Well incase of more metal oriented styles i'd recommend progressive metal. If anything is going to up your rhythm skills it is that.

Check out bands such as:
Dream Theater
Symphony X
Seventh Wonder
Pagan's Mind
Circus Maximus
Protest the hero (not prog metal but still very good)
Vanden Plas
Anubis Gate
Planet X

Despite being bands that are very lead heavy, they also have very much amazing rhythm guitar work. I promise they are atleast worth to check out.

Cheers, and good luck!


Ah yes I'm very familiar with Dream Theater and Planet X. I'll check out the others too. Got a couple of specific songs in mind?
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Ah yes I'm very familiar with Dream Theater and Planet X. I'll check out the others too. Got a couple of specific songs in mind?


Well, what comes to mind right at the moment.

Dream Theater - Eretomania.
Planet X - Alien Hip hop.
Symphony X - Set the world on fire.
Circus maximus - Sin.
Anubis Gate - Desiderio Omnibus.
Seventh Wonder - Mercy falls.
Protest the hero - Bloodmeat.
Pagan's mind - God's equation.

You might want to check out the "exteme progressive metal bands" aswell, also what some people call Djent. Anything that people would label as "techincal metal" really will improve your rhythm guitar ability, but so will funk and jazz, just in other ways. Anyways, that would be bands like.

Periphery
Meshuggah
Vildhjarta
Tesseract
Textures
Born of osiris
Veil of maya
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Well, what comes to mind right at the moment.

Dream Theater - Eretomania.
Planet X - Alien Hip hop.
Symphony X - Set the world on fire.
Circus maximus - Sin.
Anubis Gate - Desiderio Omnibus.
Seventh Wonder - Mercy falls.
Protest the hero - Bloodmeat.
Pagan's mind - God's equation.

You might want to check out the "exteme progressive metal bands" aswell, also what some people call Djent. Anything that people would label as "techincal metal" really will improve your rhythm guitar ability, but so will funk and jazz, just in other ways. Anyways, that would be bands like.

Periphery
Meshuggah
Vildhjarta
Tesseract
Textures
Born of osiris
Veil of maya
The faceless

Lots of those bands use 7/8 strings and tune down pretty far, making them unsuitable for TS. But if he was able to get a 7 string or whatever, yes, these would be fantastic for rhythm.
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CryogenicHusk
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@Sickz awesome! I'll check those prog metal songs out. Yeah I'll look into those funk bands you mentioned. I have been looking into jazz as well. Learned a couple of standards, and working on a couple more.

@GazzaCee darn it.
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Lots of those bands use 7/8 strings and tune down pretty far, making them unsuitable for TS. But if he was able to get a 7 string or whatever, yes, these would be fantastic for rhythm.


He could learn them in standard/drop D tuning though. I did before i got my 8 string.
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Opeth - Master's Apprentices (E std) or Blackwater Park (drop D). Or Heir Apparent (E std). That song uses the widest array of rhythm techniques (including using a slide) I've heard in a single song.
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Also, you could play Lamb of God songs, pretty much all of them are in Drop D tuning.
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Early Trivium is your friend. Ascendancy is all in Drop D or E Standard, and the current stuff is Drop Db.
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If you're willing to play in D standard, then Gojira all the way.
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I'd throw in some Annihilator to the mix - there's plenty of pretty sick and tight rhythm patterns everywhere, check out records such as Alice in Hell or Never, Neverland.
Other bands to check out for riffs (apart from the ones mentioned by others) would be Revocation, Havok, Evile, Lazarus A.D - all pretty much related to modern thrash/death.
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Thank you all for your extra suggestions. Will definitely work on some Gojira, Revocation, Annihilator, Opeth, Trivium and Lamb of God.

Can't at the moment, though... Have a progress evaluation on classical guitar (coincidentally, it's the rhythms where I am having a difficult time), and really want to nail it like I did first time around, and also been using what little time I've got left to learn some funk/r&b and some jazz standards I already learned the notes and chords for but still working on the harmony rhythm. Once I get that stuff down I'll definitely focus on these.
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Quote by CryogenicHusk
Thank you all for your extra suggestions. Will definitely work on some Gojira, Revocation, Annihilator, Opeth, Trivium and Lamb of God.

Can't at the moment, though... Have a progress evaluation on classical guitar (coincidentally, it's the rhythms where I am having a difficult time), and really want to nail it like I did first time around, and also been using what little time I've got left to learn some funk/r&b and some jazz standards I already learned the notes and chords for but still working on the harmony rhythm. Once I get that stuff down I'll definitely focus on these.

Considering you troubles with the classical pieces, it may be worth stepping back from the heavy-super fast rhythms and doing to something slower, maybe less intricate. The internal metronome needs to be built up from square one.

An exercise I enjoy is playing a 12 bar blues, looping it, then soloing over it. Keep the metronome on and play to the chord changes. It is very helpful for me, as it gets you to hear and respond to the music. During the lead, oh X notes have passed so I have Y beats left before the chord changes ... better finish the phrase on time.

It's a break from just chugging chords, but it has helped me a lot.

Also, it will help with your theory as you need to think about how to play the chords, and then end the phasing properly to lead to the next chord.
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Well have you experimented with tuning low?

If you tune to B standard, you can pretty much keep that tuning for rhythm practice and just skip a string to play in E. It will take a while for it to stay in tune but it means you can play 7 string based riffs and it can actually sound quite good with normal strings. You can play these awesome riffs off of Trivium's Shogun that is like amazing rhythm guitar practice (see "Into the mouth of hell we march")

FF's Demanufacture album is also great for rhythm practice like you noticed. I can also recommend Disturbed songs for a bit easier stuff, they're in Drop C# usually which is just half step down and then a bit more for your top string

Cheers
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I personally like rhythm players like Keith Richards, Hendrix, Garcia, Page and EVH that often change things up in the background to keep it interesting, but still keep the rhythm going. Repeating riffs definitely have their place, it what gives songs like iron man their impact. But with alot of songs I like it when they switch things around slightly. I recently saw a video with Phil X playing Zeps Rock and Roll and he pointed out how one verse just has an open D string for a few lines instead of the riff the rest of the songs have. It doesnt stand out, but when you listen for it its there and adds to the song without being flashy and obvious.

The other day I noticed the rhythm guitar to the stones beast of burden. Instead of just playing the riff Richards and Wood have this intertwining improv thing going. Ive heard that song a thousand times and I never really noticed it, i dont really like the song much...but i'd like it alot less if it was just the same riff played over and over again.

Someone mentioned funk...I learned alot from watching funk guitar videos. There was alot about syncing up with the groove and then adding to it without stepping on the other things going on. It showed me some huge holes in my timing as well that im now working on.