juliusxxrock
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#1
Hi! I'm looking to buy a new guitar amplifier.
Some info:
Budget: I've got ~2000$ ATM, but it's suppose to be enough for probably a new cab aswell.
Current Gear: Head: MG100HFX (The reason I'm looking for a new one )
Cab: MG412A (Looking for new one aswell)
Location: Sweden (Gotherburg)
Looking For: I play lead guitar in a band. We just started out and it's my first. We like Foo Fighters and Green Day alot, but we would love to be able to play everything from Foo to Metallica/Iron Maiden, if you know what I mean.
My guitar: An LTD EC-50, but I might buy a new one.. Anyway it's my current one.

Also, could someone state the difference between the JMP 2204 and the JCM 800 2204?

Thanks!
Cathbard
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We've already had this discussion.

The JMP and the JCM800 (vertical inputs) have the same circuitry. However, the JMP had some superior components, most notably the signal caps.
Now having said this - when people compare the two and say the JMP is a better sounding amp they rarely take into account the tubes that they are running and that will account for far greater variance than things like the caps.
One other difference is the impedance selector. The JMP had the infamous jumper style selector and the JCM had a proper switch.

Now when we get to the horizontal input JCM800 2204 there are more differences. The horizontal ones had pcb mounted tube sockets and pots whereas the vertical has chassis mounted ones. Chassis mounted stuff is more reliable and far easier to replace.
The horizontals also had inferior transformers and other components and were basically the victim of cost cutting.

So in order of goodness JMP > JCM800 vertical > JCM800 horizontal but the differences aren't that great.


The Laney isn't exactly a copy, it's similar. However, even if it was a copy that doesn't mean a lot. A Splawn is based on a marshall and it kicks Marshall's arse.
A GH100/50 would be a good choice; a VH100R even better.
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Last edited by Cathbard at Oct 20, 2012,
juliusxxrock
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#6
Quote by bassmastamitch
Yes. Have you played a Marshall or a Laney before?

Yeah, my local music store just set up a room full of amplifiers.. I tried out (recommended after what I said I was out after) the JVM 2000. Couldn't quite turn it up though but at 2-3 on master volume it sounded waaay better than my shitty mg100fx.
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#7
I assume you mean JCM 2000, but how much is that going for at your local shop? If you like the sound of that, you might as well get it.
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#8
Have you done anything between these two threads?

Difference between JMP and JCM800? JCM800 replaced JMP.
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#9
A fart in a bathroom sounds better than an MG.
Btw, the Laneys sound massively better once you replace the tubes with something good - like 99% of all new amps - including new Marshalls.
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Boss GT-100


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juliusxxrock
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#10
Quote by Cathbard
We've already had this discussion.

The JMP and the JCM800 (vertical inputs) have the same circuitry. However, the JMP had some superior components, most notably the signal caps.
Now having said this - when people compare the two and say the JMP is a better sounding amp they rarely take into account the tubes that they are running and that will account for far greater variance than things like the caps.
One other difference is the impedance selector. The JMP had the infamous jumper style selector and the JCM had a proper switch.

Now when we get to the horizontal input JCM800 2204 there are more differences. The horizontal ones had pcb mounted tube sockets and pots whereas the vertical has chassis mounted ones. Chassis mounted stuff is more reliable and far easier to replace.
The horizontals also had inferior transformers and other components and were basically the victim of cost cutting.

So in order of goodness JMP > JCM800 vertical > JCM800 horizontal but the differences aren't that great.


The Laney isn't exactly a copy, it's similar. However, even if it was a copy that doesn't mean a lot. A Splawn is based on a marshall and it kicks Marshall's arse.
A GH100/50 would be a good choice; a VH100R even better.

I know, I know, I just feel like there's something I don't know yet
There's none for sale (second hand), but if I'll buy it new, since it's not very expensive, is it better to buy an amp B-stock than brand new?
Last edited by juliusxxrock at Oct 20, 2012,
I K0nijn I
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#11
Dual Rectifier? They're often considered a high-gain amplifier, but I love mine for Foo Fighters kind of rock.
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#12
Quote by juliusxxrock
I know, I know, I just feel like there's something I don't know yet
There's none for sale (second hand), but if I'll buy it new, since it's not very expensive, is it better to buy an amp B-stock than brand new?

If you can find a B-stock one then yes, it's always better if you can get something cheaper. But really... If you have the money to buy a new one and can't find good deals for used ones (I mean, used gear should cost much less than new, at least 25% off the original price unless it's something people consider "vintage", otherwise it's not a good deal and I would rather buy it new) then why not a new one. They will most likely have less issues and you get warranty and all. Also B-stock ones aren't really that much cheaper. So if you can't find a B-stock one, it's not the end of the world. I would buy new. There's nothing wrong in buying new, now I feel like people are jumping on the "buy used" bandwagon. But try to get it as cheap as you can. You can always ask if they could lower the price for you because the stores want to sell their stuff and they won't lose anything if they sell it for a bit cheaper. Actually they try to do everything to sell it.
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#14
Quote by madmax33096
Mesa Dual Rectifier. 'Nuff said.


Not sure what currency the OP is talking. If he means $2000 USD, Mesa prices will be pretty high in Sweden.

So, USD or Swedish Krona?
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#15
The detail I did miss out; When the horizontals came out they removed one filter cap to save money. A lot of guys put it back in and even go bigger again.

Tbh. Most of these amps that you will buy used have had some work done to them. Every tech has his mod to fix some design flaw that he does as a matter of course. By now it'd be hard to find one that hasn't been tweaked in some way.
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Boss GT-100


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Last edited by Cathbard at Oct 22, 2012,
juliusxxrock
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Quote by Reincaster
Not sure what currency the OP is talking. If he means $2000 USD, Mesa prices will be pretty high in Sweden.

So, USD or Swedish Krona?

Definitly not the Swedish Krona, I'm talking in USD, sorry that it wasn't very clearly
Mesas are kind of expensive here, that's right.
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#17
I don't know pricing in Sweden, but I live in Europe (where Mesa generally is more expensive) and I got mine easily for the equivalent of 2000 USD. Used, of course.
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Quote by I K0nijn I
I don't know pricing in Sweden, but I live in Europe (where Mesa generally is more expensive) and I got mine easily for the equivalent of 2000 USD. Used, of course.

But TS also needs a cab and he has a not so good guitar so the best thing to do is to buy both guitar and amp. You will get a Mesa Recto for 2000 bucks but maybe not a cab and definitely not a new guitar with that budget. So I would look at something cheaper. And I think TS almost bought a Telecaster.
Quote by AlanHB
Just remember that there are no boring scales, just boring players.

Gear

Charvel So Cal
Ibanez Blazer
Yamaha FG720S-12
Tokai TB48
Laney VC30
Hartke HyDrive 210c