yoyoloto
Blue dreams
Join date: May 2011
1,217 IQ
#1
Hey guys,

So what's this thread about ? Who is this guy ?

Well, I'm a guitar player who seeks to play jazz, open to some blues, and attempts desperately to construct chords that would fit the style, but fails.

I'm clueless about commonly used chords in blues, but, in fact, that's not my problem here. I want to actually make a chord using theoretical knowledge, and I want that chord to sound as jazzy as possible.

I play some blues scales on my guitar, then I feel like the F# has a nice feel today, so I decide to make it the key for my song. I write down the F# blues scale, pick the 1 3 and 5 degrees, and make the F# B c# chord, with some notes added. It sounds awesome, I like it a lot and start looking for other chords to add.

Then I make an A blues chord, sounds alright too. So I strum my 2 new chords thrice each, all sounds good.

And that's it, all the other chords I try to make from the F# blues scale sound like horse poop, and I just wasted half an hour of my life trying to figure out how to do something that may just be out of my league.

So, how do you guys do to make your chords ?

Please help a bro out
yoyoloto
Blue dreams
Join date: May 2011
1,217 IQ
#3
Write down the A blues scale, pick the 1 3 5 degrees, look for some notes worth adding, and there you have it.
Last edited by yoyoloto at Oct 21, 2012,
z4twenny
UG's resident Psychopath
Join date: Nov 2005
936 IQ
#4
Quote by yoyoloto
Write down the A blues scale, pick the 1 3 5 degrees, look for some notes worth adding, and there you have it.

Let's call it Aminor, happy ?

Is it actually an a minor?
yoyoloto
Blue dreams
Join date: May 2011
1,217 IQ
#5
twenny: You were quick on the trigger, no it's not, my bad. I'm guessing that making chords out of pentatonic was a very bad idea.

But let's go back to constructing chords, how do you guys do it so that they fit the style you wanna play ?

I think that at this point I have proved that I'm an idiot, so less about me, more about you
AeolianWolf
Tonal Vigilante
Join date: Jul 2009
186 IQ
#6
you don't really construct chords from pentatonic or blues scales. at least not until you develop an understanding of functional harmony, unless you're an illiterate blues god.

Quote by yoyoloto
But let's go back to constructing chords, how do you guys do it so that they fit the style you wanna play ?


by training your ear, listening to the music you want to emulate, applying what you're able to discern, and writing.

if you're interested in chord construction, your knowledge of the basics isn't yet sufficient. start learning from the bottom up, solidify your knowledge, and then tackle new concepts that will enable you to progress. until you do that,

Quote by :-D
you answerd it yourself, learn theory

AWedit: and train your ear


</thread>
Anfangen ist leicht, Beharren eine Kunst.
rockingamer2
Larmarky Remark
Join date: Nov 2006
408 IQ
#8
The blues uses three chords, I, IV and V. They aren't built from the pentatonic scale though, they are built from the major scale. The blues scale isn't a "self contained" scale, it's a stripped down minor scale with a passing tone. It omits the 2nd and 6th of the minor scale and adds a b5 passing tone for flavor.

Note that the blues mixes major and minor, so it doesn't follow the ideas of "regular" theory.

Learn the basics of theory, like chord construction and harmonization and a bit on major and minor scales, then go and look at blues lessons. All the while listening and playing the blues and using your ear.
^^The above is a Cryptic Metaphor^^


"To know the truth of history is to realize its ultimate myth and its inevitable ambiguity." Everything is made up and the facts don't matter.


MUSIC THEORY LINK
Vantage
One hit wonder UG'er
Join date: May 2005
855 IQ
#9
Let's say in C:

Major: 1 3 5 (C E G)
Minor: 1 b3 5 (C Eb G)
Maj 7: 1 3 5 7 (C E G B)
Dominant or simply 7: 1 3 5 b7 (C E G Bb)
Min 7: 1 b3 5 b7 (C Eb G Bb)

Common blues progressions: I IV V (C7 E7 G7)

Hopefully that makes sense. (I apologise if it doesn't)
Dirty betch
AlanHB
Godin's Resident Groupie
Join date: Aug 2008
1,703 IQ
#10
Quote by yoyoloto
Write down the A blues scale, pick the 1 3 5 degrees, look for some notes worth adding, and there you have it.


That's what TS is doing, and exactly where he's going wrong.

The standard blues is in a major key, so you build chords off the major scale.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
Soundcloud
Forty6and2SDMF
Registered User
Join date: May 2012
356 IQ
#11
Quote by Macabre_Turtle
Chords do not sound bluesy or jazzy. Chord progressions do.


I disagree, some Jazz chords sound A LOT like jazz with just strumming one chord.

2012 Gibson Les Paul Classic Custom
2003 Gibson Les Paul Studio
Mesa Mark IV
Avatar Contemporary 6x12
AlanHB
Godin's Resident Groupie
Join date: Aug 2008
1,703 IQ
#13
Quote by Forty6and2SDMF
I disagree, some Jazz chords sound A LOT like jazz with just strumming one chord.


Take that chord you're thinking of, crank gain and distortion on your amp and start chugging on it. Still sound like jazz?
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
Soundcloud
MikeDodge
Registered User
Join date: Oct 2009
349 IQ
#17
Spend a weekend reading through the Beginner to Advanced Series here: http://lessons.mikedodge.com/

It's turned many boys into men

Before you understand chord construction you should have a good background in Intervals. That link has a comprehensive lesson on Intervals and Chord Construction. Read them in that order or you're putting the cart before the horse and will still be behind.
Last edited by MikeDodge at Oct 24, 2012,
fearofthemark
UG Fanatic
Join date: Dec 2008
1,280 IQ
#19
If you want to play jazz, learn your 7th chords

Major 7
Minor 7
Dom 7
Half diminished 7

Start with those. Learn to play major, minor, and dominant 7th chords so that you can play any each of those given any note on the fretboard as a root.

Then learn the notes on the fretboard so you can play essentially any chord you want whenever.

Use descending fifths a lot in your chord progressions.

C7, F7 and G7 are the three chords in a very basic 12 bar blues
Quote by guitarxo
I had a dream about your avatar once, so yes of course.

Quote by Bladez22


every time i see that twirling electrode avatar of yours I know that the post is worth reading or the link is worth clicking


Last edited by fearofthemark at Nov 21, 2012,
20Tigers
1
Join date: Jun 2008
640 IQ
#20
Quote by AlanHB
That's what TS is doing, and exactly where he's going wrong.

The standard blues is in a major key, so you build chords off the major scale.

The guy you were replying to was the TS. But hopefully he read this post because it should solve his problem.
Si
AlanHB
Godin's Resident Groupie
Join date: Aug 2008
1,703 IQ
#21
Quote by 20Tigers
The guy you were replying to was the TS. But hopefully he read this post because it should solve his problem.


That's exactly what 20Tigers pointed out above. Get with the program.
And no, Guitar Hero will not help. Even on expert. Really.
Soundcloud
Mister A.J.
Ker-Blang-a-Woggle
Join date: May 2011
318 IQ
#22
Quote by chronowarp
then they'd call it djent/jazz metal.

You mean djazz metal. It's what true djentlemen play.

On topic, train thy ear to heareth the chords that thou seek.
Join the 7 String Legion!

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.


Official Approval
This message has been approved by:

Mister A.J.
Head of the Department of Redundancy Department
Mister A.J.
20Tigers
1
Join date: Jun 2008
640 IQ
#23
Quote by AlanHB
That's exactly what 20Tigers pointed out above. Get with the program.

oh man you just totally mindfucked me
Si