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mdh2861
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Ok, so, excuse my ignorance cause I know nothing about this fracle axe thing you guys are recommending other than its a solid state modeling device. This is a rack mount system? What do I play it through? A pa system? I'm ok with modeling, as long as it GOOD... I want it to FEEL like an amp though, you know, with a head and speaker cabinet ETC. What are the recommendations to set this up?

Oh, and by the way, I have owned a line 6 pod x3 live. The thing was a piece of junk, more like a childs toy than a professional piece of equipment. The wah pedal never worked properly and guitar center/line 6 didnt seem to care. Their software was also insanely buggy. Please tell me that this factal axe modeler is miles above my line 6 piece of garbage.

FYI, i'll never buy another line 6 product again.


**EDIT** haha, I see this thing costs about $2500!!!!!! It must be good
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#42
Yes, the Fractal AxeFX line are rack mount modelers. The other high end competition is the Kemper Profiling Amp. Both can be used in a number of different ways. Direct out to a mixing board (FoH PA), to a wedge, to a set of monitors (studio or home use) or disabling the cabinet emulation to a power amp and guitar cab. Or quite a few combinations of those options.

For less money, there's always the eleven rack and the POD HD (or HD floorboards: 300, 400 & 500).

As for quality, there are tons of pro guitarists that are using both the fractal and kemper units. They both sound amazing.
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I've never tried the 11R but I had an AxeII for a while. Great high gain tones, kinda meh lower gain and clean tones. Best damn effects (bar fuzz) around too. The reverbs and delays in particular are a step above everything else I've owned/used including Eventide and Strymon. However, the guy I got my G0 from was telling me how he had both the AxeII and the 11R and that he wound up using the 11R more, though the Axe got pulled out when he needed high gain sounds.
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^ In short, both.

But with the proper Diezels, Bogners, CEC, and SLO, you won't need them, yea?


Pretty much. I can do like 90% of what the Snax did with my big rig.
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#46
So confused on what to buy, i've been close to pulling the trigger on just about everything! The mesa mini rect is really intriguing to me. It seems to cover a wide range of tones. The modelers are appealing too, they just seem like a lot of work and configuration and that scares me. One thing I love about the modelers is they can hook into my recording software very easily I assume... I use logic on a macbook pro. I'm going to look into the carvin V3 and check out what that's all about.

I'm still fairly hot on the mesa mini recto, and am "thinking" about a used Mark IV. The lack of power settings on that scare me, i'd be @ 1 most of the time . Being loud, is only a personal preference for me, I live in the country, with no neighbors, and can play as loud as I want typically. I just dont want to play that frickin loud all the time..

The mesa express also seems like a great amp, but I feel it lacks that higher gain setting that i'm looking for.
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#47
Carvin V3 looks like a good amp! Definitely going to follow up more...
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The Mini Recto is not a good investment in my opinion, for several reasons:

It struggles to stay clean at 25 watts (with a drummer)
It's geared towards more high gain tones.
It's difficult to dial in a really good blues tone (such as SRV or Freddie King)

it may be right up your alley, I don't know.

They are also waaay overpriced at one grand.

The Mesa Express needs a boost for super high gain, a TS-9 would do nicely. but it is extremely good for everything else you mentioned and it can get fairly dirty on its own.

The Mk IV should be high on your list though.
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#49
ihardfood,

TOTALLY agree with everything you said about the Mini Recto... Since I, like a LOT of you, tend to buy & sell gear a lot, buying a mini recto at the current price when it will likely be worth about half in a couple years is not appealing to me. I agree the amp will probably break up trying to play with a drummer in clean...

You make a great point about the Mesa Express w/tube screamer! I'll have to investigate that...

Mark IV is perfect, its just the "low volume" part of my playing that steers me away, if only it had a power switch down to 10 or 15 watts! I'm going to look further at it, the express and Mark series amps seem to keep coming up in my searches! There must be something to it! Not to mention, I practically BOUGHT a mark V for 2900 last night
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#50
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True, but the Kemper is ugly as hell.





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#51
Quote by mdh2861
Mark IV is perfect, its just the "low volume" part of my playing that steers me away, if only it had a power switch down to 10 or 15 watts! I'm going to look further at it, the express and Mark series amps seem to keep coming up in my searches! There must be something to it! Not to mention, I practically BOUGHT a mark V for 2900 last night
Just because something is of higher-wattage does not, and I repeat, DOES NOT mean it is completely unable to operate at lower volumes. Both my dad and I own tube amps over 50w that sound fantastic at lower volumes, better than pretty much all of the 5-15w "lunchbox" heads I've played. Of course they sound better at higher volumes, but so does my car stereo, and that's not a tube amp.

Higher wattage just means more headroom, a more "open" sound and the power section doesn't distort until higher volumes. And power tube distortion isn't good for either jazz nor modern metal.
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Yea, perhaps I am taking this whole wattage thing too far? I THINK I FINALLY narrowed things down! I have always wanted to own a mesa product, I never have, and people love them, so i'm IN...... Here is what I have boiled my choices down to...

Express 5:50 combo (NEW) with TS9 (which I already have..) for those times when I need to get really heavy. $1500 total...

Mesa Mark IV head (used) screw my low wattage dreams. I'd also be adding a 2 speaker mesa cabinet to this. looks like it will be around $1500 total for both as well!

I'm PSYCHED to finally have this narrowed down. Any more input on these 2 would be appreciated.
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#53
I would take a Mark IV quarter stack any day of the week over an Express combo. Especially for the range you need.
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#54
Mark IV gets my vote. Sweet piece of haul there. It's the only thing I'd consider replacing my V3 with in terms of versatility. The lead tones on that thing always blow me away
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#55
Express series blows chunks. Especially for over a grand new. Honestly, I'd just get an Axe. You mentioned recording and it's awesome for that. Here are two clips I did with stock presets straight into my MB Pro literally 20 minutes after I got it in the mail.

"Brown"
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"Cameron"
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8021347/Cameron.mp3

I'll try to find some more using stock presets at various gain levels. The AxeII is the only piece of gear I regret selling.

Note that it is better when you've got a bit of volume for monitoring. Doing it silent like I did in these clips isn't so great for sustain.
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#56
I was talking heads, not combo express. they don't blow chunks.
They are overpriced new though, as well.

but yeah...Mk IV > express pretty much all around. If you can afford one get it.
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I disagree. There are so many better amps in the Express's price range that there's no reason to consider it unless you're a Mesa fanboi who insists on buying new with a lower budget.
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#58
Sounds like the answer is a used Mark IV! I am still considering AxeFX as an alternative though. I will be making a move on something by the end of the week. Looks like whatever it is, Mark IV or AxeFX i'll be buying used off of eBay as both products have "new" models that are in the 2500+ range...
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#59
Quote by mmolteratx
I disagree. There are so many better amps in the Express's price range that there's no reason to consider it unless you're a Mesa fanboi who insists on buying new with a lower budget.

to each his own
I was talking used as well, you're right they are quite overpriced as new amps.

TS you've got two great options set up. be sure to make a new amp day when you've got "it!"
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Ya, I mean, if you can get an Express for $500 and don't need anything more than a jack of all trades, master of none type amp, then by all means, go for it. If I were spending upwards of a grand, there are just dozens of options that do it so much better. Fryette Sig:Xs are going pretty damn cheap these days. Another option for you, TS.
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#61
Quote by mdh2861
Sounds like the answer is a used Mark IV! I am still considering AxeFX as an alternative though. I will be making a move on something by the end of the week. Looks like whatever it is, Mark IV or AxeFX i'll be buying used off of eBay as both products have "new" models that are in the 2500+ range...

Either way expect a fair amount of tweaking


Have fun and let us know.
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#62
Ok, my FINAL verdict is in... I am going to buy a used AxeFX standard off of eBay and give it a try based on all of your recommendations. I figure, if I dont get along with it, its easy to re-sell and ship and it wont cost me anything, then I can get my mark iv (or v ) . I actually checked out the software "Axe Edit" on my computer and read the manual and its pretty easy.

Soooo.... couple questions.....

I record on a macbook, using Logic Express 9. My audio interface is an m-audio Fast Track pro. I currently output my mac to a PA system, and use input monitoring to record. If i'm recording from an amp, I use a MIC -> interface -> mac. With axefx, will I be using the audio out to my interface? Also, does it have a seperate "monitor" out, so I can stop using input monitoring in logic....?

Since the AxeFX will only cost $800, I am going to use my remaining money to buy a kick ass PA/Monitor system... This will be the output for both logic AND the AxeFX. Is this a good idea? Should I have something different? I have no idea what the axefx "likes" for a speaker system... Thanks everyone for your help!
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#63
Quote by mdh2861
Yea, perhaps I am taking this whole wattage thing too far? I THINK I FINALLY narrowed things down! I have always wanted to own a mesa product, I never have, and people love them, so i'm IN...... Here is what I have boiled my choices down to...

Express 5:50 combo (NEW) with TS9 (which I already have..) for those times when I need to get really heavy. $1500 total...

Mesa Mark IV head (used) screw my low wattage dreams. I'd also be adding a 2 speaker mesa cabinet to this. looks like it will be around $1500 total for both as well!

I'm PSYCHED to finally have this narrowed down. Any more input on these 2 would be appreciated.


You're definitely taking the wattage thing too far. In my experience low wattage is not for bedroom volumes. I hate the sound of my Mark V at 10 watts at a quiet volume, once you get the volume up about half way though then it really starts to shine. At home though... I leave it on 90 watts.

I really really like the Express series of amps, but I've always felt that it was a $1000 amp priced at $1500 just because it's a Mesa... I would not buy one new, and I am a Mesa fanboi

Carvin V3 is a pretty nice amp, but I find the gain to be a little fuzzy... Especially when quiet.

A Peavey JSX might not be a bad choice, I was constantly surprised at the huge range in tones it offered.

Mark IV... Great clean, incredibly great lead, but the rhythm channel is kinda weak. Nowhere near as versatile as a V.

AxeFX is awesome if you can afford it... I completely disagree with the guy who said the low gain/clean tones are kinda meh. They're not once you figure out how to dial them in. The high gain stuff... Well that's a given. Just be aware that there are many expenses beyond buying the unit. You need a way to listen to it as well which means either a power amp + cab or preferably FRFR speakers or a set of decent computer monitors or a pair of studio monitors... You'd also most likely need a footswitch.. The one they sell is $800 although there are cheaper ones to be found.

I'd say... Mark V. Or if you're willing the make a larger investment an AxeFX2.
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actually the MKIV is my best amp at low volumes thanks to two master volumes (each channel and global) you put the global at 1 or 2 and dial in with the channel master volume it gets pretty quiet and doesn't sound terrible. it sounds better louder, but i can play it at 3am and not irritate anyone. i have more free time at night so thats when i play most.

i have no issues dialing in a good rhythm tone on the MKIV.
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Mark IV, mark V. Great at any volume. Flexible with tone. Sparkling cleans to tah brootz and everything in between.
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Ok, so... its been a while since i updated this thread. I want to thank you all for your input... I considered MANY things, in the end, I went with the Kemper Amp. I was VERY close to purchasing an Axe FX or a Mesa Mark V. In the end, the kemper overhwelmed me with curiosity!
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something mesa used, something carvin? perhaps the steve vai lunchbox signature?
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all I can say is O-M-G, the kemper actually works... This couldnt have been a better choice for me..... I was so close to buying a Mark V (and its still on my list of things to buy, such a close second.... some people will want to shoot me for the comparison!), but man, this kemper, really does what it advertises. I will try and do a new amp day post complete with recordings. Thanks so much to everyone for their suggestions, I researched them all and had so much fun doing it!
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#71
Can you download tones for the Kemper?

If so, and if they can put it in a box that doesn't look hideous, I'd be interested.
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the carvin legacy 3 is amazing. rackmountable 100 watt/50 watt head with 3 channels. i have the legacy 1 and for a two channel amp it is one of the most versatile amps u can get. the legacy 3 is even better.

the line 6 dt series are solid as well
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Glad you chose the Kemper I had to tell you twice xD

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