#1
Hey!

I am looking to upgrade my Yamaha THR5 to a small tube amplifier.
I live in an apartment and decibels MUST stay very low.

I know from experience that turned down tube amplifier does not sound good at all.

I play blues, not really clean, not really heavy. Let's say from pride and joy to ZZ Top.

I am looking into the Jet City Isolation cabinet but I have no clue how it sound trough a mixer / headphones and when you add the amp head, the cabinet, the microphone and the mixer.. the bill gets pretty high.

Therefore, are there 5 watters tube amplifiers which come with an attenuator or something like that?

Thanks!
#2
Tube amps are loud.

I mean, how low are we talking here? From your post I'm inclined to say tube amps aren't for you.
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#3
Blackstar HT-1 is probably your best bet. They break up nicely at relatively low volumes but also have a headphones jack too.
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#4
You can get a 1w tube amp if you want, it's still going to be pretty loud if you turn it up at all.

Not all tube amps sound bad at low volumes, that's a myth.

What would be an acceptable volume level?
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#5
Whats your price range?

Vox ac4tv would probably suit your needs. It can be set at 4, 1, or 1/4 watts. You would have to pick up and od pedal was well.
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#6
What about the isolation cabinet, do you guys have any experience with that?
#7
a marshall class 5 version II with the power scale option on the back would be another good option.

it as well has a headphone jack.
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#8
You're really gonna spend a ton of money and probably not end up with anything much better than a good multifx could do.

If I were in your boat I'd just buy something like a POD (but whatever the high quality model is these days, I'm not really familiar) and a good pair of headphones and be done. For those occasions where you can play loud you'd just need a keyboard amp or powered speaker.
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#9
If I was in that situation the Vox AC4TV would be my choice. Its exremely quiet, especially in 1/4 watt mode. I wasn't too fussed on the sound, but its not bad by any means. I guess I see Vox and start thinking AC30 Which is isn't, at all.
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#10
Tubemeister series for sure. I purchase a TM5 for similar issues with noise in a strata controlled building, being able to plug the amp directly into your computer and use your recording interface to play the sound through monitors is amazing I keep the amp fully cranked and control the volume via the powered monitors so I get cranked tube amp tone at a level that is lower then my TV. Redbox ftw.
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#11
The real question is can you ever crank an amp? If the answer is no then don't bother with tube. If you can, let's say once or twice a month, then maybe I can see some value... Otherwise a multifx or modeler is the way to go.
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#12
In your situation you just simply don't get a tube amp. Even at lowest settings they are prone to pissing people off due to the way they behave, regardless of the wattage. Wattage is not a measure of volume, and tube amps are not for quiet playing.


Look into a Fender Mustang I or II. It will be an upgrade and will do what you want and piss nobody off. Plus it has a headphone jack, something that a majority of all-tube amps don't have.
#13
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What would be an acceptable volume level?

All of this is conjecture until this gets answered.
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#14
Yep. So far it's "how long is a piece of string?" I don't think a 30W tube amp turned up to 10 is too loud, others think a 1 W on half volume is too loud.
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#16
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You're really gonna spend a ton of money and probably not end up with anything much better than a good multifx could do.
IMO best answer.
#17
Epic tone at talking volumes? Care to share your drugs?

Buy a Pod.
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#18
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Let's say maximum decibels would be talking level + a bit.

That's pretty low as far as tube amps are concerned.

If I was you, I would get a USB audio interface and pick up Guitar Rig 5 and just play through your computer. You can then buy some nice studio headphones and jam out all day and night perfectly quiet.
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#20
Why would you buy an extenstion cab for it?

Dude, talking volume is just not practical for guitar. Use headphones.

A Superchamp X2 is $349 and the PPC112 is $379... You can get one hell of a multifx for that.
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#21
I can strongly recommend the Blackstar HT-1R. Cranking the clean channel gives you your bluesy tone, and it's pretty cheap.
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#22
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I can strongly recommend the Blackstar HT-1R. Cranking the clean channel gives you your bluesy tone, and it's pretty cheap.

... And is around talking volumes when cranked? I sincerely doubt it.
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#23
I say this a lot....

Low wattage amps are rarely suitable for bedroom levels. While I've no experience with 1w amps I've generally found that the majority of amps that are between 5-40 watts are built with power tube distortion in mind and tend to sound absolutely awful right up until you turn it up loud enough to get your tubes working.

So people think low wattage = good sounds at lower volumes and it's almost the exact opposite.

I've had far more luck with 100 watt amps (provided they have a master volume) at bedroom levels than I have any low watt amp. My Mark V sounds great at talking level, My JSX sounded fantastic as well... Not as good as cranked obviously, but damned good.

But considering your volume requirements I'd say Solid State is your friend. POD HD, Eleven Rack, AxeFX, Kempler, Boss GT10, Line6 Vetta, Peavey Vypyr or something in that category.
#24
I already have the Yamaha THR5 modeling amplifier, and was thinking about buying the TH10c.

What would be the difference between my Yamaha and some other multi-effect?
#25
Quote by tubetime86
Why would you buy an extenstion cab for it?

Dude, talking volume is just not practical for guitar. Use headphones.

A Superchamp X2 is $349 and the PPC112 is $379... You can get one hell of a multifx for that.

ever get the impression nobody can see your posts?


TS - the egnater tweaker 15 watt sounds great at low volumes. it actually does.
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#26
Here is what my computer setup looks like, my TM5 was purchased pretty much solely for silent/low level recording/playing. The redbox output is line level and is an emulated 4x12 cabinet output so you get a fatter tone then using a small amp with a 1x12. Using this setup combined with only my Jekyll and Hyde V2 pedal I can summon up any tone from somber blues to high gain br00tal metal.

Pedals ---> Tubemiester 5 ---> ART USB Interface via XLR ---> 3.5 year old PC Desktop (no mods) ---> FL Studio ---> output via computer sound card (onboard sound) ---> Monitors are el cheapo 20-20000hz colorless drivers ---> Ears

There is no cab plugged into the amp so it goes directly into my computer, I keep the master and gain knobs cranked. Load up FL studio and start the Edison app to run my USB interface via ASIO drivers into FL Studio. Now FL Studio will receive and record the cranked amp signal, at the same time as your playing and/or recording you can hear your guitar through your computer speakers (or monitors if you have purchased some) now you have the option of limiting the volume coming out of the computer via the speakers/monitors.

This does not affect the initial tone as would turning down the volume on the amp or interface as the speakers or monitors are not a part of the tone, they are simply taking the final signal and amplifying it to whatever the user wants, similar to that of a PA system.

I used to own a POD XT Live Floor, you can DI your instrument right into the interface I have and I tried that combined with Guitar Rig 5 and lastly at one point I had a Fender Mustang 3 and to be honest none of them came close to my TM5 setup. I have a Marshal half stack gathering dust in the corner of my house because it's too loud to play with and get a sweet tone unless I haul it somewhere.

Honestly there is no easier way to get what the OP asked for other then this everything else is just a band-aid method, yeah modelling technology is pretty good but to a trained ear it still has that sterile electronics feel to it. Either way chose what you want and use what you want.

NOTE: There are some other AMP companies that have a similar output to the Tubemeister series, generally it will be labeled on the amp as an Emulated Speaker Output some use XLR and some use standard TRS cables. They are all line level and can be plugged into ANY interface/mixer that accepts line level inputs.
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#28
Quote by ne14t
Here is what my computer setup looks like, my TM5 was purchased pretty much solely for silent/low level recording/playing. The redbox output is line level and is an emulated 4x12 cabinet output so you get a fatter tone then using a small amp with a 1x12. Using this setup combined with only my Jekyll and Hyde V2 pedal I can summon up any tone from somber blues to high gain br00tal metal.

Pedals ---> Tubemiester 5 ---> ART USB Interface via XLR ---> 3.5 year old PC Desktop (no mods) ---> FL Studio ---> output via computer sound card (onboard sound) ---> Monitors are el cheapo 20-20000hz colorless drivers ---> Ears

There is no cab plugged into the amp so it goes directly into my computer, I keep the master and gain knobs cranked. Load up FL studio and start the Edison app to run my USB interface via ASIO drivers into FL Studio. Now FL Studio will receive and record the cranked amp signal, at the same time as your playing and/or recording you can hear your guitar through your computer speakers (or monitors if you have purchased some) now you have the option of limiting the volume coming out of the computer via the speakers/monitors.

This does not affect the initial tone as would turning down the volume on the amp or interface as the speakers or monitors are not a part of the tone, they are simply taking the final signal and amplifying it to whatever the user wants, similar to that of a PA system.

I used to own a POD XT Live Floor, you can DI your instrument right into the interface I have and I tried that combined with Guitar Rig 5 and lastly at one point I had a Fender Mustang 3 and to be honest none of them came close to my TM5 setup. I have a Marshal half stack gathering dust in the corner of my house because it's too loud to play with and get a sweet tone unless I haul it somewhere.

Honestly there is no easier way to get what the OP asked for other then this everything else is just a band-aid method, yeah modelling technology is pretty good but to a trained ear it still has that sterile electronics feel to it. Either way chose what you want and use what you want.

NOTE: There are some other AMP companies that have a similar output to the Tubemeister series, generally it will be labeled on the amp as an Emulated Speaker Output some use XLR and some use standard TRS cables. They are all line level and can be plugged into ANY interface/mixer that accepts line level inputs.


I just tried the combo via the REDBOX into a console / headphones... I'm in love!
I ordered the head!

Thanks all!
#29
Can you use the tubemeister without connecting a cabinet? Redbox is not a loadbox and tube amps don't like not having a load. It can be done, but not sure how long. I'm just curious if the tubemeister has a load built in.
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#30
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the variable wattage control will give you great reduction in volume and get the tube breaking up, it also breaks up more as you roll it back (good for blues tone), but gets a bit harsh if you take it lower than 9 o'clock.
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#31
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Can you use the tubemeister without connecting a cabinet? Redbox is not a loadbox and tube amps don't like not having a load. It can be done, but not sure how long. I'm just curious if the tubemeister has a load built in.

If the pricks would publish their schematics we'd know. I treat all companies that won't publish schematics with a great deal of suspicion - what are they trying to hide?
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#32
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If the pricks would publish their schematics we'd know. I treat all companies that won't publish schematics with a great deal of suspicion - what are they trying to hide?


Just looked it up, says it has a Powersoak so it's all good. Just don't try it with other amps though!
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#33
Frankly, the THR5/10 is a near-perfect home amp as it is.


I don't see you getting that much improvement with a valve amp, certainly not enough to justify the cost and loss of versatility.
#34
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Just looked it up, says it has a Powersoak so it's all good. Just don't try it with other amps though!


Yup, it does have a power soak I did not even ordered the cabinet, don't even need it!
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#36
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I say this a lot....

Low wattage amps are rarely suitable for bedroom levels. While I've no experience with 1w amps I've generally found that the majority of amps that are between 5-40 watts are built with power tube distortion in mind and tend to sound absolutely awful right up until you turn it up loud enough to get your tubes working.

So people think low wattage = good sounds at lower volumes and it's almost the exact opposite.

I've had far more luck with 100 watt amps (provided they have a master volume) at bedroom levels than I have any low watt amp. My Mark V sounds great at talking level, My JSX sounded fantastic as well... Not as good as cranked obviously, but damned good.

But considering your volume requirements I'd say Solid State is your friend. POD HD, Eleven Rack, AxeFX, Kempler, Boss GT10, Line6 Vetta, Peavey Vypyr or something in that category.


I just wanted to say that I tend to agree with all of this. Low watts does not necessarily mean 'great bedroom tones'

Looks like the TS found something that will work though so congrats on that.