Trea_lewis16
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#1
im looking for a new amp as my line 6 spider III 15 is rubbish. im looking to upgrade to a new amp and was going to get a marshall hd100cfx ful/halfl stack with the 412 slant and straight cfx cabs. but i kinda want a tube amp which one is better for under 500 and im also still thinking about making this a full/half stack if possible while keeping it relatively cheap.

im trying to stay under 2,000 us dollars.

I play mainly rock/hardrock and all metal types cleans are needed.

The amp has to be new.

i will be using the amp both at home and for gigging.

I live 30 minutes away from indianapolis indiana.

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From what I can gather from your post, I'd recommend a Peavey Valveking or Ultra. Both around $250. I guess you mean US dollars.

There are some Bugeras, but they do get some bashing here.

Oh, and you're not gonna get a stack for under $500.
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Keep saving a bit more dude, you can get a nice tube set up with just a little more cash. Also any reason you want the 4x12? A 2x12 is still loud as hell while being a little cheaper and more portable.
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Quote by diskothek
Keep saving a bit more dude, you can get a nice tube set up with just a little more cash. Also any reason you want the 4x12? A 2x12 is still loud as hell while being a little cheaper and more portable.

So is 1x12 combo.
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Trea_lewis16
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the reason i want the half/full stack is just pure aesthetics i don't want to hit the stage and have every one laugh and be like "wtf is this guy serious?" plus i dont know if the cab makes it louder or not but i want it insanely ****ing loud. i have been looking at the Marshall MA100 head with a 4x12 loaded with either greenbacks or celestion speakers.
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#6
no. MAs suck ass. ESPECIALLY with that budget.

What you want:
used Mesa Mark IV or Mark V
Mesa Dual Rectifier

and then a Rectifier closed-back straight 4x12 cab.
or an Orange PPC412

wiat, nevermind, Why won't you go used? You will get WAY more bang for your buck.
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Your profile says you're 16. And you think you need a stack? Yeah, sure. Whatever. And I'm sure all the kids at your neighbor kid's birthday party won't care what amp you're using, since that's likely to be the biggest gig you'll be playing at this age.

4x12 cabs have specific purposes, and if you aren't after one for those purposes and just want to "look cool" (like most kids your age), then you clearly have no business owning a stack. Get a combo.


That said, if you need good distortion with good cleans and have up to $2000 to spend, look into a used Mesa Rectoverb, used Peavey JSX, Carvin V3m, Engl Screamer 50, or a used 6505 212 if you can tolerate the cleans on it.
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Nobody will laugh at you if you play through a combo. For example Brian May from Queen used VOX AC30 combos on stage. Did people laugh at him? Actually nowadays people use combos live because you don't need a stack. You will be miced and it's easier to carry a small combo with you than a Marshall stack. In the 60s/70s you needed many stacks to be heard but nowadays you will be miced and you could gig with a Microcube if you wanted. Your attitude is wrong. You don't buy an amp to look good, you buy an amp to sound good and I think people will like your playing more if you have a good sounding amp than if you have a good looking amp that sounds like crap (and for that budget ($500) you won't get a good looking stack that sounds good). Buy a combo. Or is your budget $2000? What genres do you play? (I guess: metal, metal and metal.)
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#9
@Ian_the_fox i actually live across from a friends uncle who's boss offered me and a couple friends some serious gigs in chicago and ny he told us to put together 10 songs and pick 5 that we liked and wanted to preform. unfortunately not every one could go so the deal fell through and btw i have been playing for 3 years now and all i have been doing is playing for 3 hours minimum self taught and still learning. but i actually am thinking now more on the side of marshall's jvm410hcf with a 1 4x12 cab loaded with celestions but i also am getting these because im looking to form a new band and enter in the battle of the bands for the uproar tour next year and if we get that then we need to be able to be heard and not walk on stage with tiny amps.

i dont go with used because every time i have gone with a used amp it ****ing breaks or sounds like shit because the speaker was beat to hell.

@MaggaraMarine i would have loved to stay around 500 but i realize now that for that price your buying shit. so im willing to go all out now i just have to save my money.
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Quote by Trea_lewis16
Ian_the_fox i actually live across from a friends uncle who's boss offered me and a couple friends some serious gigs in chicago and ny he told us to put together 10 songs and pick 5 that we liked and wanted to preform. unfortunately not every one could go so the deal fell through and btw i have been playing for 3 years now and all i have been doing is playing for 3 hours minimum self taught and still learning. but i actually am thinking now more on the side of marshall's jvm410hcf with a 1 4x12 cab loaded with celestions but i also am getting these because im looking to form a new band and enter in the battle of the bands for the uproar tour next year and if we get that then we need to be able to be heard and not walk on stage with tiny amps.

Please speak in sentences. That was painful to read.

Even if you're performing at Uproar, you can use a combo, because you will be miked up I guarantee. You couldn't fill an outdoor venue like that without a PA system.

You have some really good recommendations above; take a look into those before thinking "Oh, I need a Marshall stack" The JVM is good, but I've heard they aren't everyone's fancy. And you NEED to go used for more bang for your buck. You won't get a warranty, but you will have a much better product if you take care of it.
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ok so for all of you who are saying get a combo, if i get one which would be better? Also if i do get the JVM410 head what would be the best marshall cabinet to go with it?
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Quote by Trea_lewis16
ok so for all of you who are saying get a combo, if i get one which would be better? Also if i do get the JVM410 head what would be the best marshall cabinet to go with it?


I've given you two recommendations in the first reply to this thread . Maybe you should read that.

They both stay within your $500 budget.
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I've given you two recommendations in the first reply to this thread . Maybe you should read that.

They both stay within your $500 budget.

His budget is $2,000

I think a Rectoverb would suit well.
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Quote by bassmastamitch
His budget is $2,000

I think a Rectoverb would suit well.


Yeah, he changed it, I know. But I figured it was better to recommend something he might actually buyn not only dream about for two years while he saves up.
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Get a head and a 2x12.

it's better sounding and easier to transport than a combo, without the ludicrous size and weight of a 4x12.

If you're 16, I doubt your band has a decent sized van/trailer. In that case, you really don't want a 4x12, believe me.


If it was my money I'd get a used Splawn Quickrod and an Avatar G212 Contemporary (probably with a V30 and a Governor).
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#16
If you really have a $2000 budget and will go used, you can get a Mesa Dual/single recto head for $999 on Guitarcenters used site and a matching 4x12 recto cab for $400-$500. Or you could get a Splawn QR/Nitro and a splawn 4x12 cab on that site under your budget.
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wow rectoverb is awesome now i have 2 options that and the jvm410 combo. which i just found but can anyone explain to me why the combo costs the same ammout as the 100w head with guitar centers 3 year pro coverage added. i was looking the 100w head with coverage is 2,800 and the combo with out coverage is 2,800; why is this?
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@kyle62 i actually am planning on getting either a truck with extended cab for my first vehicle.
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You don't need a halfstack. In fact, NO ONE needs a halfstack. Do you understand how loud an 100w amp can get? Unless you're playing stadiums, a 2x12 cab, a 1x12 cab, or a combo of any orientation will be enough.

I'm 18, and I use halfstacks and quarterstacks. Why? Not so I look "cool" on stage, I leave my guitar playing and general angelic gorgeousness to that. I use them because a) I like experimenting with speakers, b) I like experimenting with the sounds of different cabs in general, c) I generally like the tone the head/cab vs the combo, but a lot of that may just be placebo.

Sure, stacks look cooler than combos, but combos sound just as good, are way easier to transport and store, and are much easier to deal with. If you want a halfstack, get a halfstack, but don't get it to make your dick look big, get it for the right reason. Tone.


In answer to your original question, get a Peavey Ultra Plus head or Combo. I had one, and it was an absolutely killer amp. Amazing clean tone, and the distortion was very ENGL-like rather than the 5150 buzzsaw tone. Built in reverb was the best I've ever heard save for some Fenders. I stupidly sold it to fund a guitar build project and have regretted it ever since, but it actually ended up crapping out (due to user error of the kid I sold it to, apparently didn't know how to use the standby switch and blew out all the, fuses, tubes, and now it has a constant buzzing sound), so I guess I the better end of that deal.

But yeah, what I suggest is this. Get a Peavey Ultra Plus head, and either a Whitebox 2x12 w/V30s, an Avatar 2x12 w/V30s, or a Jet City cab w/V30s. If you do some looking, you could get any of those rigs for under $700 and have a professional level rig.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9NuxnI-MQk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7NEKKWavjc
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#21
Quote by Robbgnarly
If you really have a $2000 budget and will go used, you can get a Mesa Dual/single recto head for $999 on Guitarcenters used site and a matching 4x12 recto cab for $400-$500. Or you could get a Splawn QR/Nitro and a splawn 4x12 cab on that site under your budget.

this.

There's no reason to be a dick to someone over a misconception.
(this is directed at some previous posts).

4x12 cabs have specific uses, as do combos and 2x12s.

Bigger cabs do not make your amp louder.

the Dual Rectifier is a great option. buying used from Guitar Center also gives you a good warranty.
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#22
Quote by Trea_lewis16
the reason i want the half/full stack is just pure aesthetics i don't want to hit the stage and have every one laugh and be like "wtf is this guy serious?" plus i dont know if the cab makes it louder or not but i want it insanely ****ing loud. i have been looking at the Marshall MA100 head with a 4x12 loaded with either greenbacks or celestion speakers.


Ah, to be young again.
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#23
Quote by Trea_lewis16
@Ian_the_fox i actually live across from a friends uncle who's boss offered me and a couple friends some serious gigs in chicago and ny he told us to put together 10 songs and pick 5 that we liked and wanted to preform. unfortunately not every one could go so the deal fell through and btw i have been playing for 3 years now and all i have been doing is playing for 3 hours minimum self taught and still learning. but i actually am thinking now more on the side of marshall's jvm410hcf with a 1 4x12 cab loaded with celestions but i also am getting these because im looking to form a new band and enter in the battle of the bands for the uproar tour next year and if we get that then we need to be able to be heard and not walk on stage with tiny amps.
Lol. Kids.

Don't worry, you'll lose the rockstar dream eventually. We all go through that phase.

3 years of playing is not that much. And you're still learning. I didn't even own a serious tube amp until about 8 or 9 years of playing.


The fact that you only want a stack to look cool proves you don't need a stack. You're only 16 years of age. Go combo.

I suggested an Engl Screamer 50 a few posts back. Look into it: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/engl-screamer-50w-1x12-guitar-combo-amp
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#24
Quote by Ian_the_fox
Lol. Kids.

This from a 19yr old
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#25
Quote by Robbgnarly
This from a 19yr old
Old enough to smoke, drink in most countries, drive, live on my own, and know how to use a tube head/cab properly without blowing it up.


TS needs a combo.
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Quote by Ian_the_fox
Old enough to smoke, drink in most countries, drive, live on my own, and know how to use a tube head/cab properly without blowing it up.


TS needs a combo.

I wasn't questioning your logic/sugestion, its just funny to hear someone of your age refer to a 16 yr old as a kid.
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I'm 14, I have been playing for 3 years, and I own a tube combo, but I am amused by this nonetheless

I have a daughter your age
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I have a daughter your age



I have socks older than him.....
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#30
Quote by bassmastamitch
I'm 14, I have been playing for 3 years, and I own a tube combo, but I am amused by this nonetheless


Same here! I still find this very amusing
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#31
Yep, this is a strange kid.

TS, you don't need a fullstack, believe us. 2x12, 4x12 at most is all you need.

I have a 2x12 and it looks and sounds badass, I'll add another 2x12 and I will have the most I'll ever need on any stage, look https://www.dropbox.com/s/asqfxjjua8zlmkn/Amplo.jpg

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I don't think Ian referred to TS's age, I think he referred to the way TS thinks. I can say that I wasn't anything like TS when I was 16 (I'm 18 now). Your "mental age" might be different from your real age. Also if you are new to guitar, the sound doesn't matter that much, you want a guitar that looks cool like Gibson Explorer. And an amp that looks cool like Marshall stack.
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Quote by Ian_the_fox
Old enough to smoke, drink in most countries, drive, live on my own, and know how to use a tube head/cab properly without blowing it up.

TS needs a combo.

What the hell does that even mean, you base what amp someone needs in their age?
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#34
Guys, if bro man wants a stack and his budget allows for a decent one, I don't see where we get off telling him he doesn't need one. I don't need this computer in front of me, I don't need guitars and amps, hell, need is such a silly concept in the big scheme because when it comes down to it do we really "need" to live?

TS, the JVM is sweet, though I am not a fan personally. The Splawn is also dope.
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#35
its cool guys just calm down. so what do you guys think about the mesa boogie rectoverb although i am pretty dead set on the marshall i do like the rectoverb.
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#36
the rectoverb is a sweet little amp, a lot of people (myself included) prefer them to the standard rectifier series. They are a little bit tighter than the regular Rec. Cool amps.
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#37
The recto verb is a single recto with reverb, nice little amps.
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