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Hello, since my guitar is having some truss rod issues I am about to purchase a new one, and although I was going to buy an EC-1000 I don't want to invest so much money again in fear another similar issue might come up.

So I want a fixed bridge guitar for metal, playing mostly in standard but also drop d and maybe drop c.

I saw this Ibanez RG1451 which is looking fine, any comments on the ibanez tight end bridge it has?

There is also another model I am interested in, the RG1570z but this comes with edge zero tremolo so I am not sure if it's as easy to downtune, and is also 200€ more expensive than the 1451.

Suggestions?
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I currently own that RG1451 and it's very suitable for metal/down tuning. I only have tuned it to D but I'm sure it'll handle lower tunings aswell. You might also want to check out RGA 121.

And yeah the bridge on the RG1451 is really comfortable and very solid. With edge / floyd rose tremolos you can easily tune the guitar down but the problem is that you can't change the tuning as easily as with fixed bridge guitars. If you're planning to stay in one tuning then it's not a huge problem though. But I still recommend not getting a floyd/edge guitar if you don't use the tremolo.

Btw can you give us a little information about that truss rod problem on your current guitar?
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I own an Ibanez RGA42 and a RGA72... 72 is better, lighter, and overall feels better but both are very similar. 42 is definitely a guitar I love and don't regret getting. I used it for drop C,B,A#,A and now I'm using it for standard and drop D and I must say it does it's job in any tuning. I'm using the 72 for my low tunings now which is basically an upgraded and more expensive version of 42. They both got active pickups.. I would really recommend the RGA series bro
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Quote by miio
Btw can you give us a little information about that truss rod problem on your current guitar?

Here you are:
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1571048

How are the pickups on your guitar? I am using a vypyr 30 and for leads I use the built in boost stompbox as well so I suppose going from the active emgs to the passives won't be such an issue, will probably sound cleaner.

Also is the built quality good? Last ibanez I tried(1550mz) was buzzing a bit and that is more expensive than the 1451.
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Well, the pickups are your typical Ibanez. Nothing too special, but they've worked well for me. I'm mostly playing some Dream Theater, Van Halen, Scorpions etc. The neck pup is very similiar to Air Norton, if you have any experience with that and the bridge pickup kinda reminds me of Evolution. Not as good as those pickups but still a pretty decent. This video describes the pups well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFjtq3ozdS0

The build quality is your typical Prestige. I can get a low action without fret buzzing, well actually there's a little bit buzz while playing unplugged but it won't come through the amp when plugged in. No sharp edges on the frets, very clean soldering. Perfect shape straight out of the box.
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@miio,

There is a comment on this youtube video that says:
Sadly,I had to return this guitar. The reason was that when I was muting the strings with the heel of my wrist on the bridge,my pick was directly over the neck pickup.This is not good,there is some flow in design of this instrument.Even in this video you can see how the picking is right over the neck pickup.


What is your input on that, is he over exaggerating?
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Quote by zefs
@miio,

There is a comment on this youtube video that says:


What is your input on that, is he over exaggerating?

He's only making excuses for his insufficient technique.
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@miio,

There is a comment on this youtube video that says:


What is your input on that, is he over exaggerating?


I don't know what he expects really. From what I can see, his hand is way further up the fretboard than what looks normal for when people are muting. At any rate, most guitars have the neck pickup in that exact same position. I don't really see what they could do about it, short of just not having a neck pickup in there?
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Don't Ibanez make extended scale guitars specifically for downtuning?


They do, actually. http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/SeriesIntro-RGD_Intro
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@miio,

There is a comment on this youtube video that says:


What is your input on that, is he over exaggerating?


Well I personally don't see anything wrong with that technique, I have lowered the neck bucker pretty low so my pick won't hit it. I don't think there's anything wrong with the design of that guitar, it's just like every other prestige Ibanez's out there, just with fixed bridge.
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These are out of budget - over 1100€
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These are out of budget - over 1100€



Used?

EDIT: wait, where are you in the world TS?
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I am not going for used, will probably go for that RG1451 if the online shop I saw it have it available.
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These are out of budget - over 1100€


You can get a used RGD Prestige or just a non-prestige RGD

I have an Ibanez RGD7421 and I love it. Sure, the pickups SUCK, but it's Ibanez. That's to be expected.
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So I would be going from a 1000€ ltd to a non-prestige ibanez that costs below 400€?
I don't think so
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So I would be going from a 1000€ ltd to a non-prestige ibanez that costs below 400€?
I don't think so


Swap the pickups out for a set of Bareknuckles or similar, it'll play very well and sound awesome. Besides, you said you didn't want to spend that kind of money again
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Yes but I am sure the ibanez 1451 which is a prestige model would worth spending the extra money on? Plus I like it more look wise.
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Actually, from what I've read, the RG14XX are pretty crappy compared to the higher number Prestiges. Kind of a tip off that the 14XX comes with a gigbag instead of a case.

But that's just what I've read. I'm not trying to push you into getting a cheaper guitar, and I do think a Prestige is notably better where it matters that can't be quantified on paper (construction, frets, finish).

You're going to want to replace pups regardless. Only the top level Prestiges have good pups.

I didn't catch how far you're tuning down, but unless it's B or lower, you don't really *need* the extra scale length.
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Where did you read that? Cause I only read good things. Also the anniversary models of the RG1451's used to come with hard case and one pickup.
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They sold the RG1451's without a case because they wanted them to be more affordable prestige series. If it had a case when I bought it, it would've cost the same as RG1570 for example. That's what they told me when I got mine.
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You don't need a longuer scale if you get the right string gauge. I have an ART100 (24.75 scale) in Drop C and it's great!

Don't buy an Ibanez for the pickup, most likely you will change them for something that fits you more. That a great thing about them, they don't put High End Pickup and built up the price on something you might change.
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Can you put active emgs on these? although there is no battery pot.
If not what would be the best passive pickup choice similar to EMG 81-60 setup?
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Just around here, someone said they played one and it didn't feel too great compared to other Prestiges. It was a while ago, can't remember the exact details.

EMGs are super easy. And most modern guitars should have more than enough space to fit the battery in between the pots in the control cavity. Especially if you use mini pots (which I think all EMG pots might be mini anyway).

The new solderless system makes installing EMGs stupidly easy. It's literally plug-n-play. I think the only thing that needs to be soldered is the selector switch.

If you want to go passive, first place to look is the DiMarzio D Activator set. They're designed to sound like actives (or at least the stereotypical active sound. Being passives they can't actually get the amount of range and dynamic that actives have).
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So I just saw this goddess:
http://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/electric_guitars_detail.asp?stock=12081409062532

It's the RG721RW, premium model. Anyone has input about this? Would it be a better choice over the 1451 model?

More pics from a member here:
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/standard-guitars/207158-ngd-ibanez-rg721-cnf-premium-natural-finish-goodness.html

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I haven't played any Premium Ibanez's yet but I've heard they're almost on the same level as the Prestiges. I guess that'll do fine, you should really play it first though.