#1
So I am wanting to buy an electric guitar. First one, I want to start playing a new instrument. I used to play trombone. I was going to buy an epiphone lp special 2. My budget is about 200 dollars. Or used lp 100; however, I was looking around this forum and I saw some older post mentioning rondo and was wondering would a douglas shadow be better?
Last edited by Themius at Nov 10, 2012,
#2
all three of those guitars are rather poor. the douglas is probably better value, but it isn't any better.

if you can pop the $225 for it, an Agile al-2000 (from Rondo) would be much better. It is better made and features better materials and parts.

what is your total budget though? what amp are you considering?
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#3
Quote by krehzeekid
all three of those guitars are rather poor. the douglas is probably better value, but it isn't any better.

if you can pop the $225 for it, an Agile al-2000 (from Rondo) would be much better. It is better made and features better materials and parts.

what is your total budget though? what amp are you considering?



I have an old 2004 vox amp I am planning on using. It's never been used but... five times or so?
#4
Quote by Themius
I have an old 2004 vox amp I am planning on using. It's never been used but... five times or so?


do you have a model name?

also, what sort of music are you wanting to play?
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#5
Quote by krehzeekid
do you have a model name?

also, what sort of music are you wanting to play?


indie rock, classic rock, random jazz is i'm in that mood. I really like just about every genre of music. I don't have a model name, it's currently in storage I'll be getting it later.
#6
Quote by krehzeekid
all three of those guitars are rather poor. the douglas is probably better value, but it isn't any better.

if you can pop the $225 for it, an Agile al-2000 (from Rondo) would be much better. It is better made and features better materials and parts.

what is your total budget though? what amp are you considering?


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#7
cool.

the al-2000 will be a solid all-purpose guitar, provided that your amp is up to the task. depending on which vox you have, you may need to pop for a distortion pedal too (you can get decent ones for $50 pretty easily).
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#8
My budget really is right around 160-170 though and the 2000 is going to be 225 + the shipping, unless I can ind one used.
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Quote by Themius
My budget really is right around 160-170 though and the 2000 is going to be 225 + the shipping, unless I can ind one used.


the reality with the guitars you're looking at is that spending $50 or so more is going to get you a substantially better guitar. the epiphones and the douglas are nice looking firewood at the end of the day. the other factor to consider is how long a guitar will last you- a really cheap guitar will feel cheap really quickly, and you'll undoubtedly replace it quickly. a better guitar will last you longer, thus forcing you to spend less money in the long run.
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Quote by krehzeekid
the reality with the guitars you're looking at is that spending $50 or so more is going to get you a substantially better guitar. the epiphones and the douglas are nice looking firewood at the end of the day. the other factor to consider is how long a guitar will last you- a really cheap guitar will feel cheap really quickly, and you'll undoubtedly replace it quickly. a better guitar will last you longer, thus forcing you to spend less money in the long run.


it's going to cost $90-100 more for the agile. I'm buying my guitar strictly with earnings i've made online, If I wait another month I'll probably have enough for it then but I have nothing to play till then and times a wasting.
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Quote by Themius
it's going to cost $90-100 more for the agile. I'm buying my guitar strictly with earnings i've made online, If I wait another month I'll probably have enough for it then but I have nothing to play till then and times a wasting.


it's your money, it's your choice.

I'm simply suggesting that your money will go further if you can be patient. A month isn't that long- it's probably worth the wait.
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#12
I would wait for the extra money, if you can't I would reccomend a yamaha pacifica or ltd ec-50. The cheaper Epi's don't stay in tune very well and will drive you crazy.
#13
Quote by krehzeekid
the reality with the guitars you're looking at is that spending $50 or so more is going to get you a substantially better guitar. the epiphones and the douglas are nice looking firewood at the end of the day. the other factor to consider is how long a guitar will last you- a really cheap guitar will feel cheap really quickly, and you'll undoubtedly replace it quickly. a better guitar will last you longer, thus forcing you to spend less money in the long run.

+1

Borrow money if you have to, an agile will last you years both in durability and versatility. Almost any other guitar at that price ringe will be useless within a year.
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#14
What about the xaviere xv-500. I see it has good reviews on here. I'm bidding on one.
#15
I'm bidding on the xaviere, but I do have another 90 dollars in another blog I will get once it reaches 100 which it should this month, IN that case I would have an extra hundred to spend and would buy the agile.

Is there anywhere else that I can buy the agile al2000 for a good price?

Edit:

Accidental double post. I'm used to a forum where double post automatically get pushed into your previous one.
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#17
Themius, do you live in the US? Otherwise buying from Rondo is useless. With shipping, customs, etc., the guitar is going to be 1.5x-2x the cost normally if you lived in the US.
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#18
I live in New Jersey so that won't be a problem. I wanted to see if I could find a used Agile but there are none on ebay or cragslist..
#20
either of those would be good guitars. as long as they seem to be in decent shape upon inspection, they'd be fine (Jersey is relatively small- check them in person if you can)
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#21
Quote by Themius
I live in New Jersey so that won't be a problem. I wanted to see if I could find a used Agile but there are none on ebay or cragslist..

It seems to me like used ebay agiles sell for more than they do new, and the official rondo guy lists his guitars on ebay for a bit more than what the website charges. Just the impression I got.
#22
Oops, the third option was supposed to be a Squier Telecaster. There should be plenty of those, used, in your budget where you live. The two Epiphones I listed would be great though. The Wildkat is more likely the tone you'll want for Indie or Jazz.
#23
I don't have a car, but transport is easy enough to get to Manhattan. Takes about 20 minutes.
#25
Quote by Themius
Is it worth the extra 50 dollars for this over the agile 2000?


The Agile will still be better. An Epiphone LP Standard (better than studio) would be about comparable, and I'd still pick the Agile.
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#27
I'm all over the place. I was thinking of getting a Gibson Les Paul studio for 650 (initial payment of 90 something) but I think I would need to hold off on that to see if I will be completely serious about playing guitar.

I really want the agile, just can't find anywhere that has them on a payment plan. Just would have to wait till December.
Last edited by Themius at Nov 11, 2012,
#28
Quote by Themius
I'm all over the place. I was thinking of getting a Gibson Les Paul studio for 650 (initial payment of 90 something) but I think I would need to hold off on that to see if I will be completely serious about playing guitar.

I really want the agile, just can't find anywhere that has them on a payment plan. Just would have to wait till December.


If you aren't 100% committed it might be worth getting something cheap. I always feel people who make threads like this paint themselves into a corner.
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Quote by MegadethFan18
If you aren't 100% committed it might be worth getting something cheap. I always feel people who make threads like this paint themselves into a corner.



I've wanted to play for years there just was never a situation where I was able to till recently. I'm big on music, no other instruments I am wanting to play.

My dad has a gibson standard and never let me play with it when I was younger since I broke his other expensive guitar...
#30
If you're new and unsure if your going to commit (I was the same), maybe try renting for a while and try some guitars that way.
#31
Quote by ghobby
If you're new and unsure if your going to commit (I was the same), maybe try renting for a while and try some guitars that way.


Where is there a place to try that?
#32
Quote by Themius
Where is there a place to try that?


Most Guitar Centre's should, I would think. Most Long and McQuade's (Canada's take on GC) do that here.
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#33
Buy one used. I've played guitar for a while, and I still do so, because the value-for-money is just so much better. A used Squier-strat or something along those lines will work great.
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#34
Quote by Themius
Where is there a place to try that?


Most instrument places do it(at least around here), some give rent to own deasl as well.
#35
Looks like I am coming into this a bit late but if you are willing to dig you can find people on Craig's List selling starter guitars for $100 or less. I see lots of Squiers listed in that price range all the time and if you are near NYC there should be no shortage of cheap guitars within a short distance!
#36
I want the al-2000 i've been looking around and some people bought them for 160-185-200. In that price range I can afford it. There is also one on ebay I am looking into for 165.
#37
I just got a Douglas Shadow gold top. The tragedy is that it got chipped in shipping, because it's a very nice guitar. I spit out a pretty complete review in a thread entitled "Douglas Shadow any good?". Take a look. It's got binding on body, neck AND headstock, and for $139 is hard to believe. Of course an Agile 3000 will be better all around, but I'm not so sure about the 2000.

A used guitar that you can't actually try out ? ... hmmm. Many of them are being sold for a reason. Rondo rules, they've been in business as long as I've been playing ;-) Kurt will make sure you are happy with whatever you order, that's how he runs things.

One consideration is that if you are a novice, you may not know all the danger signs to look out for, or know how to do a complete setup. In that case the Agile 3000s, which are, by everyone's account, selected, tweaked and all set up, much better than an Epiphone, may well be worth the relatively minor extra one-time outlay, because you can easily spend more on discovering you need to have a shop do it for you, not to speak of having to start over. Just having a shop fit a better nut can set you back real money. For you to be buying a used guitar is no small risk. I know how to do this stuff in my sleep, so I went for the Douglas. But for my grandson I got an Agile 3010. Capisce?
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#38
Quote by ghobby
I would wait for the extra money, if you can't I would reccomend a yamaha pacifica or ltd ec-50. The cheaper Epi's don't stay in tune very well and will drive you crazy.


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