#1
here is a line... ugh.






a music man 212 HD212 160 watt 2x12" combo. he had roughly $400 worth of receipts for new tubes new jacks and new caps and a new accutronics reverb tank.

i paid $420 for it. it is in amazing shape and is an earlier model.

all the tubes are JJ and there are only one or two tiny scuffs, definitely good for an amp that old.

i was bored with my amps and didn't really have a clean amp so i bought it.

the cleans are amazing. they are IMO a tiny bit of a roland JC and a fender twin reverb. it has nice dynamics and sounds great when you turn it up.

my favorite feature is that it can go from 130 to 65 watts, BUT it actually greatly affects the volume. night and day. i don't know how such a good feature that actually worked decades ago doesn't appear on amps today. on one of my splawns half power or or pulling two tubes it hardly does anything. even back when i had a renegade and the 65 to 18 watt switch only changed it a little, not even a ton on headroom.

it has one 12AX7 and four 6L6's. it has great tremolo, but the reverb isn't the best i had heard. but it gets the job done.

its a killer amp, and it will be my go-to clean amp.
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#3
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gumbi's gonna love this

HNAD



lol i was thinking the same thing while i was typing the post. thanks.
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#4
One of the very few hybrids that actually works.
Now you have to play some Clash songs.

HNAD
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#5
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One of the very few hybrids that actually works.
Now you have to play some Clash songs.

HNAD


yea it works great. dare i say it is probably my favorite clean. it is certainly a good sounding amp. i still think i will score a vintage twin sometime or another.

however there is an Ampeg hybrid (came in a 1x12" cab) that has a single 12AX7, but also has some nice cleans, touch sensitive and relatively responsive. it pedal friendly too. the model is rubbed off. i paid $20 for it. i built a new head cab and use it here and there.
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#7
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HNAD! Ive heard great things about the old musicman amps


you have heard right
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#8
nice, it is an oldy. they stopped putting the tube (12AX7) PI in there by ~'77. it's a shame he put in the celestions though, those models came with the eminence alnico 'bell' style speakers that were badass, they were like a beefed up sun transducer. man you got it for a pretty damn good price too.

HNAD , these amps usually don't get much respect.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

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#9
Cool !



A non high gain amp.... Sure you don't have the flu?
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#10
HNAD!

I mean, if something not-br00talz is your thing, I GUESS it's cool...

Have you cranked it to see how it sounds getting Power Tube Dirstortion? I've never played one, and you say the cleans are great, but how is the cranked saturation?
#11
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nice, it is an oldy. they stopped putting the tube (12AX7) PI in there by ~'77. it's a shame he put in the celestions though, those models came with the eminence alnico 'bell' style speakers that were badass, they were like a beefed up sun transducer. man you got it for a pretty damn good price too.

HNAD , these amps usually don't get much respect.


i didn't realize they even made them without the 12AX7. but it sounds good and can't imagine the dynamics without the preamp tube.

i am a little bummed that it didn't have the origional speakers, but i will pick up some new ones as the speakers in it can easily be used in another cab.

thanks.

__________

no i don't have the flu... lol
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#12
Ermmm, the phase inverter isn't a preamp tube.
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Marshall 1960A
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#13
Quote by trashedlostfdup
it has one 12AX7 and four 6L6's.

Hybrid then?

I've always been interested in MM amps, but they never seem to pop up around me.
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#14
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Hybrid then?

I've always been interested in MM amps, but they never seem to pop up around me.


yeah, SS preamp. as you can see in the thread, the earliest ones came with a tube PI but later they changed that (there was some issue if the tube PI failed). they used 6CA7/EL34's back in the 70's and in the 80's they switched to 6L6GC's.



glorious canned transistors.
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#15
very nice
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#16
dem guts.

HNAD!
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#18
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need clipz!


i will work on it. it really isn't a huge priority at the moment, but when i get a working recording setup i promise a plethora of clips, lots of amps and lots o clips.

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sorry phase inverter, i really didn't to research before the guy dropped it off. i knew they were good amps. from what i thought at the time it was only the power tubes, then i saw him pull out a what i thought (really didn't look) was a preamp tube.

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i certainly didn't think it was pre '71 based on appearance. its pretty minty.

gumbi - what would be some good replacement speakers? i don't want to spend a ton. wgs? weber? other that i cant think of.

what are the t100's like in general? are they the next generation of K100's or something entirely differnt?
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#19
Quote by trashedlostfdup
sorry phase inverter, i really didn't to research before the guy dropped it off. i knew they were good amps. from what i thought at the time it was only the power tubes, then i saw him pull out a what i thought (really didn't look) was a preamp tube.


the PI usually uses a 12AX7, which is the same tube in the rest of the preamp. the PI is considered part of the power section for technical reasons.

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i certainly didn't think it was pre '71 based on appearance. its pretty minty.


music mans didn't come out till ~76, they did away with the tube PI in ~77. you can actually date that board by pulling the chassis and looking at the circuit board. the inspector initials it and dates in on the board. looks like this:



this is a board of my 115-65, it was inspected by RME , and made in Sept of '79 (1979 is my birth year )

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gumbi - what would be some good replacement speakers? i don't want to spend a ton. wgs? weber? other that i cant think of.


you can find music man speaker for cheap online at times. i'd prefer their origina 12A speakers. if you want something new though, then just get some nice Fender Twin replacement speakers. like these

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/chicago12f.htm

but there are others.

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what are the t100's like in general? are they the next generation of K100's or something entirely differnt?




never played a T100. i owned K-85's but haven't played the K-100's (though i do assume them to be very similar to K-85).

if anything the T100's are some precursor the K series, the K-85 is the precursor of the K-100. i'd imagine the T100 are their own animal.

to tell truth, if you like them, you might as well keep them.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
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#21
Quote by gumbilicious
the PI usually uses a 12AX7, which is the same tube in the rest of the preamp. the PI is considered part of the power section for technical reasons.


music mans didn't come out till ~76, they did away with the tube PI in ~77. you can actually date that board by pulling the chassis and looking at the circuit board. the inspector initials it and dates in on the board. looks like this:



this is a board of my 115-65, it was inspected by RME , and made in Sept of '79 (1979 is my birth year )


you can find music man speaker for cheap online at times. i'd prefer their origina 12A speakers. if you want something new though, then just get some nice Fender Twin replacement speakers. like these

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/chicago12f.htm

but there are others.




never played a T100. i owned K-85's but haven't played the K-100's (though i do assume them to be very similar to K-85).

if anything the T100's are some precursor the K series, the K-85 is the precursor of the K-100. i'd imagine the T100 are their own animal.

to tell truth, if you like them, you might as well keep them.


i have 8 K85's two K100's they are virtually identical in spec from what i have read. they sound pretty similar. however i wont mess with the T100's until i put something else in there. i have a pair of oversized 1x12" cabs i built based on a K100, so if i replace the speakers in the musicman, i can put new speakers in the MM and pull the T100's in the cabs if they are similar enough to the K85/K100

sorry i typed the wrong number that you quoted pre-77 and misquoted '71

thanks for the info
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#22
Awesome score! Congrats!



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One of the very few hybrids that actually works.
Now you have to play some Clash songs.

HNAD

That's what I thought when I saw it.



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... but i will pick up some new ones as the speakers in it can easily be used in another cab.

...

I'm with Gumbi. Get the original speakers! Patience and constant monitoring of eBay and CL.
#23
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...

i can put new speakers in the MM and pull the T100's in the cabs if they are similar enough to the K85/K100

...

The T100 is very different from the K85/K100. They sounded closer to the T75, with a beefier Low.
#24
that is what i was kinda thinking. i've tried the T-75's and wasn't impressed.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#25
Quote by gumbilicious
that is what i was kinda thinking. i've tried the T-75's and wasn't impressed.

T75s work extremely well with V30s with high gain, ala Uberkab, my preference.

The T100 sounds nice with bright amps, like a VH100R.
#26
i should try to scope out some T-75's with how much influence they have on contemporary tones. i am so lost in the 50's, 60's and 70's.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#27
thats a steal.

yeah some of the fender champ line was made hybrids, and actually sound good. in fact the guy i know that has one preferes its tone over his other fender amps.

actually he didnt know it was hybrid, i had to tell him when i saw the tube layout. that, and its solid state so it didnt react to boosts like his hot rod and we tried to figure out why. thats why.

solid state preamp.
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#28
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thats a steal.

yeah some of the fender champ line was made hybrids, and actually sound good. in fact the guy i know that has one preferes its tone over his other fender amps.

actually he didnt know it was hybrid, i had to tell him when i saw the tube layout. that, and its solid state so it didnt react to boosts like his hot rod and we tried to figure out why. thats why.

solid state preamp.


thanks again everybody.

t75's mix really well with v30's, i had that in a few cabs for a while. either t75, or V30's also go great with K100's. pretty much all of the celestions i own are the older models made in england which in comparison sound better than the new ones.

ippon how would you describe the T100's? simialiar to K85's/K100's or are they something really different?
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#29
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...

ippon how would you describe the T100's? simialiar to K85's/K100's or are they something really different?



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The T100 is very different from the K85/K100. They sounded closer to the T75, with a beefier Low.
#30
Quote by trashedlostfdup
ippon how would you describe the T100's? simialiar to K85's/K100's or are they something really different?


yeah, he kind answered that in two different posts.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

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-ae
#31
Quote by trashedlostfdup
i will work on it. it really isn't a huge priority at the moment, but when i get a working recording setup i promise a plethora of clips, lots of amps and lots o clips.



that's the part I keep asking about

i am partly messing with you

you've been a huge supporter and mentor for me

we need to hear you ....like now

if you can afford this gear you can afford a simple set up - hell i just did some mastodon on a cheap digital camera ffs
#32
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
that's the part I keep asking about

i am partly messing with you

you've been a huge supporter and mentor for me

we need to hear you ....like now

if you can afford this gear you can afford a simple set up - hell i just did some mastodon on a cheap digital camera ffs


thanks for the kind words


i have an interface and a demo DAW (ableton) but i can get it to record, but there is no volume anywhere not headphones, moniters, in computer. i have went through all of the help things on I/O's and it just wont put out sound, my wife has an iphone5 which may do well, but she is so attached to the phone she is convinced that volume is going to wreck it. which i don't think is possible and obviously not in front of a speaker at noon on my nitro. my phone does a really shitty job. i don't want to release anything mediocre i want it to sound good.

so...

amps make me

computers make me
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#33
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yeah, he kind answered that in two different posts.


missed that. sorry. lol.
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