LPshin
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#1
Hey guys,
I just wanted to ask some questions
I want a Dixie rebel guitar from dean
I cannot try it out..... Im not a massive dimebag fan boy but I do enjoy pantera and I love the finish on this guitar. I am not purchasing this guitar thinking it will give me TEH BROOTZ FOR TEH DIMEBAG TONE.. I just want it for the finish and its rareness is New Zealand.

Before you hate on dean, dimebag or pantera, I have read all the hate/flame threads so theres no need to post that here.

Now the dixie rebel, its in mint condition, LFR, dimebucker and some Dimarzio pickup. I can get it for 600NZD which is 490 USD. Is it worth it? Is it really as bad as people say it is?
Mahogany body and neck, set neck, grover tuners made in korea 2007.. It cant be as bad as people say it is right?
What are your opinions
Cheers
LPshin
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Oh and the confederate flag on the guitar... Is it really racist? I have no idea, would I get smacked by every dark skinned person that sees me playing? I personally think it looks really cool, the finish doesnt bring up any racist connotations whatsoever?
NakedInTheRain
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#3
letting you know, you will be typecast as that insufferable teenage metalhead douchebag, just for playing that guitar.

doesn't even matter about the confederate flag.
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Reasons why I wouldn't buy it:

1) The neck is just piss. Seriously. What were they thinking?

2) Dimebuckers sound terrible, unless you like Dimebag's tone.

3) The shape is horrendously obstructive and obtuse.

4) LFR's scare me.

5) Cheesy finish.
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Yes.
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LPshin
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I have a jackson soloist sl3, I love it, A lovely randy rhoads would go well i think.. The white and gold seems classy to me... I guess I will put my Dimebag guitar desire away
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This is why the Confederate Flag is considered racist:

It was a symbol of the South/Confederate States during the Civil War here in the USA. While there were other smaller reasons behind this war, the main driving force was that the North/Union wanted to abolish slavery, and the South/Confederates wanted to keep their slaves, most of which were African-American, none of which were Caucasian/White. Nowadays, some people display it as a symbol of their Southern Pride, but it's also used by certain Racist communities as a symbol of White Supremacy. Now, unfortunately, when something gets a bad image like that, it tends to stick more than anything else it stood for. For example, most people see the Swastika and think of Adolf Hitler and Nazi's, even though it was always a symbol of Jesus and the Christian community before that, especially during the Romantic/Gothic times. Nobody remembers that, though, due to the heavy Negative connotations that are tied to that symbol due to the Nazi party.

However, the Confederate Flag isn't nearly as widely known as rascist as the Swastika or white hoods/robes of the KKK. Most people that see it will realize it's a Dimebag Darrel thing, or might even associate it with Zakk Wylde's Confederate Flag Les Paul. I personally would stil avoid it, but I don't think it would cause too much of a scene.

However, I've never been a fan of those guitars. They are unnecessarily awkward and heavy, the neck isn't very desirable, and the Dimebucker is one of my least favorite Seymour Duncans that I've tried. On top of that, the LFR seemed decent, but it's the "Licensed" ones that tend to be the sketchy ones. You would be better off getting something else.

The Jackson RR5 would be a much better choice. I'm not a fan of that shape personally, but I won't dare deny how well-made those guitars are and how well they play.
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#9
Quote by Blktiger0
This is why the Confederate Flag is considered racist:

It was a symbol of the South/Confederate States during the Civil War here in the USA. While there were other smaller reasons behind this war, the main driving force was that the North/Union wanted to abolish slavery, and the South/Confederates wanted to keep their slaves, most of which were African-American, none of which were Caucasian/White. Nowadays, some people display it as a symbol of their Southern Pride, but it's also used by certain Racist communities as a symbol of White Supremacy. Now, unfortunately, when something gets a bad image like that, it tends to stick more than anything else it stood for. For example, most people see the Swastika and think of Adolf Hitler and Nazi's, even though it was always a symbol of Jesus and the Christian community before that, especially during the Romantic/Gothic times. Nobody remembers that, though, due to the heavy Negative connotations that are tied to that symbol due to the Nazi party.

However, the Confederate Flag isn't nearly as widely known as rascist as the Swastika or white hoods/robes of the KKK. Most people that see it will realize it's a Dimebag Darrel thing, or might even associate it with Zakk Wylde's Confederate Flag Les Paul. I personally would stil avoid it, but I don't think it would cause too much of a scene.

However, I've never been a fan of those guitars. They are unnecessarily awkward and heavy, the neck isn't very desirable, and the Dimebucker is one of my least favorite Seymour Duncans that I've tried. On top of that, the LFR seemed decent, but it's the "Licensed" ones that tend to be the sketchy ones. You would be better off getting something else.

The Jackson RR5 would be a much better choice. I'm not a fan of that shape personally, but I won't dare deny how well-made those guitars are and how well they play.


The swastika was never really a Christian symbol, and the civil war was over what rights the states had, not over slavery.


As for the guitar, it's not that bad at all. Most people give Deans negative reviews because some of them are pieces of shit. Some can be good. It's really to the individual guitar. Some will have finishes that peel off like stickers, others will be great for years.
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#10
Quote by Wisthekiller
The swastika was never really a Christian symbol, and the civil war was over what rights the states had, not over slavery.


As for the guitar, it's not that bad at all. Most people give Deans negative reviews because some of them are pieces of shit. Some can be good. It's really to the individual guitar. Some will have finishes that peel off like stickers, others will be great for years.


During Medieval times, it was used in the Christian religion as a symbol of Christ rising from the dead. It's still widely used in Hinduism, IIRC. I'm pretty sure the breakdown of the word is an exact translation of "to act good" or something similar. I can't remember. Back when I was a Christian, I bought a necklace for cheap online that was a cross, got it, then noticed it had swastikas carved into it. Wondering why in the hell that was the case, I looked it up

The Civil war had much to do with Slavery as well. IIRC, it was the abolishing of Slavery that cause the Southern States to be pissed off about their rights as states. I'm no history major, though. To the general public, though (who the TS would have to worry about taking the flag as a racist symbol) the war is usually considered to be largely about Slavery.
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Quote by Blktiger0
This is why the Confederate Flag is considered racist:

It was a symbol of the South/Confederate States during the Civil War here in the USA. While there were other smaller reasons behind this war, the main driving force was that the North/Union wanted to abolish slavery, and the South/Confederates wanted to keep their slaves, most of which were African-American, none of which were Caucasian/White. Nowadays, some people display it as a symbol of their Southern Pride, but it's also used by certain Racist communities as a symbol of White Supremacy. Now, unfortunately, when something gets a bad image like that, it tends to stick more than anything else it stood for. For example, most people see the Swastika and think of Adolf Hitler and Nazi's, even though it was always a symbol of Jesus and the Christian community before that, especially during the Romantic/Gothic times. Nobody remembers that, though, due to the heavy Negative connotations that are tied to that symbol due to the Nazi party.

However, the Confederate Flag isn't nearly as widely known as rascist as the Swastika or white hoods/robes of the KKK. Most people that see it will realize it's a Dimebag Darrel thing, or might even associate it with Zakk Wylde's Confederate Flag Les Paul. I personally would stil avoid it, but I don't think it would cause too much of a scene.

However, I've never been a fan of those guitars. They are unnecessarily awkward and heavy, the neck isn't very desirable, and the Dimebucker is one of my least favorite Seymour Duncans that I've tried. On top of that, the LFR seemed decent, but it's the "Licensed" ones that tend to be the sketchy ones. You would be better off getting something else.

The Jackson RR5 would be a much better choice. I'm not a fan of that shape personally, but I won't dare deny how well-made those guitars are and how well they play.


The Swastika is originally a Buddhist symbol signifying auspiciousness and good fortune nothing to do with Christianity and was around before Christianity...
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Lots of debatable stuff about the Confederate Flag, and the Civil War, but no denying that the KKK uses it as one of their symbols. You have the right to be associated with the KKK or lead some people to believe you are sympathetic to them. It's your choice and you're the one who would have to deal with any consequences.
LPshin
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Well, Id rather avoid the slight racism and the seemly negative views on Dimebags guitar, I decided I will get the RR5, but this idiot kept it in good condition, but took out the stock pups and replaced it with some no brand passives, and disconnected the tone knob. I can reconnect the tone pot easy enough, but what pick ups do you guys suggests for the RR5? Maple neck and alder body.. I like to play metal, and would like pickups that can pick up pinch harmonics easy but I also look for versatility.
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Quote by sl1pk0t001
The Swastika is originally a Buddhist symbol signifying auspiciousness and good fortune nothing to do with Christianity and was around before Christianity...


I wouldn't say that the Buddists Originated it. It's widely used in many religions native to India. I wasn't claiming that Christianity started it, either. I was giving an example of how it has been used in the past as a symbol of things mostt people would consider to have a good connotation, but Hitler and the Nazi's ruined that, just like the KKK ruined the Confederate Flag.

Quote by LPshin
Well, Id rather avoid the slight racism and the seemly negative views on Dimebags guitar, I decided I will get the RR5, but this idiot kept it in good condition, but took out the stock pups and replaced it with some no brand passives, and disconnected the tone knob. I can reconnect the tone pot easy enough, but what pick ups do you guys suggests for the RR5? Maple neck and alder body.. I like to play metal, and would like pickups that can pick up pinch harmonics easy but I also look for versatility.


What's your budget for these? If you can afford it, Bare Knuckles make some great pickups, but if you want something more affordable, there are plenty of other great companies.
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Quote by LPshin
Well, Id rather avoid the slight racism and the seemly negative views on Dimebags guitar, I decided I will get the RR5, but this idiot kept it in good condition, but took out the stock pups and replaced it with some no brand passives, and disconnected the tone knob. I can reconnect the tone pot easy enough, but what pick ups do you guys suggests for the RR5? Maple neck and alder body.. I like to play metal, and would like pickups that can pick up pinch harmonics easy but I also look for versatility.


My favorite combos are Seymour Duncan JB/JN or DiMarzio SD/PAF36.

Both are versatile, neither has any problem with pinch harmonics and metal.
nickdohle
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I am from the southern states of AMERICA! And yea, its kind of racist. It is a bad ass flag. Has a lot of symbolism and background to it. But its not all good

Though the war was about States Rights, many people consider it to be about Slavery. Which of course was a big issue. And one of the biggest reasons the states seceded from the U.S. when Lincoln (A republican, whom most believed slavery was immoral) was elected. They feared he would make the federal government to big.

Though in my experience, there are few people who hold the Flag as a racist symbol. Mostly African Americans. Which is completely understandable. I would avoid. I love the flag. I love the south. Hell, I am related to Robert E. Lee. But, I am not racist, and would not promote the flag on a guitar.


And yea, I always heard the swastika was a Buddhist thing. But never looked into it
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Quote by Wisthekiller
My favorite combos are Seymour Duncan JB/JN or DiMarzio SD/PAF36.

Both are versatile, neither has any problem with pinch harmonics and metal.


You can never go wrong with a JB. I swear that pickup is good at goddamn everything.

In the Dimarzio sect, though, I would look for a Gravity Storm or AT-1 for the bridge and a PAF Joe or LiquiFire in the Neck.

I've personally always found the EMG 81/85 combo to excel at Pinch Harmonics, but I've never been a huge fan of Active pickups.

If you're in the States, you could check out BG Pickups. They're hand-wound and I know a few guys on here love theirs. The Hellabucker seems to be the fan favorite there.

If you do want to put a little extra money into the pups, Bare Knuckle Nailbombs are another all around great pickup.
LPshin
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I already have a JB in my soloist.. Im located in NZ so bareknuckles are kinda hard to get here...Not keen on emgs because my viper has emg and emgs make all guitars sound the same lol... what about Evos?
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^ Yes, he got recognition, memories, a great legacy, and a cult following of fans. what every good or even revolutionary guitarist deserves when he passes.
someone ban this guy, he's spamming several threads with that statement.
That flag...Sigh. Yes, it has some rascist connotations and I would avoid it. here in Texas you're either respected by white folks for "showing southern pride" or people see you as a ignorant ****er who wants attention. often both.
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southern pride. there was a 50' tall poll at the insertions of two interstates near where i live. there was a lot of criticism and was taken down. its a shame.

personally i pained a rebel flag strat. i have a huge rebel flag in my garage (four stall garage).

southern pride or racism, it is what it is, take it as you do, if you don't like it its not my problem


/enter massive amounts of people calling me a racist.
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#22
RACIST!!

Haha, no. There isnt anything wrong with southern pride.

FUN FACT!

The Union army paid Black soldiers $10 a month, and took out a $3 clothing fee leaving them with $7 a month. While they paid there White soldiers $13 a month, and they paid no clothing fee.

The Confederate army paid their soldiers $11 a month. Black and White soldiers. In the confederate constitution, Over seas slave trade was banned, and it was illegal to enslave an already free Black man. A few states were in the process of ending slavery anyway.

Another one. 31% (or something like that) owned slaves in the south. Of those over 75% had fewer than 10 slaves, and most worked beside there slaves.

And two of the souths biggest generals, Robert E. Lee and Joeseph E. Johnston were not slave holders, and believed it to be immoral.


AND the "Rebel Flag" was NOT the flag of the confederacy. The real flag looked much like the US flag, but with bigger Red and white stripes, and had the stars in a circular pattern.

EDIT: The "Rebel Flag" we know of was one of the many Battle Flags used in the south. It just happened to look bad ass.
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Blktiger0
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Quote by ihartfood
^ Yes, he got recognition, memories, a great legacy, and a cult following of fans. what every good or even revolutionary guitarist deserves when he passes.
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That flag...Sigh. Yes, it has some rascist connotations and I would avoid it. here in Texas you're either respected by white folks for "showing southern pride" or people see you as a ignorant ****er who wants attention. often both.


I agree. I think Machine Head wrote a song about people like him (one specific person, but it still applies) called Asthetics of Hate. PeripheryDjent, go listen to that to hear some real metal and a song about you

Honestly, here in Ohio, there are TONS of people (mostly Rednecks) that sport Rebel Flag tattoos, flags, decals, etc. Most people consider it a Southern Pride thing here, although there are the know-it-all douchebags that bitch about how it's a racist symbol. Not knowing how people take it in other areas, I like to stick with being cautious and letting people know both sides of it. Dime was certainly no racist, and Pantera was proud of their Southern Heritage, so anyone that knows anything about the guitar or Pantera/Dime will know what it means. The danger is mostly in the few that wouldn't know. Personally, I might paint up a Rebel V one of these days.

Nick, interesting info. Just curious, but is there any specific source on those stats? I find things like that interesting, and my band's Vocalist is a History Major, so he gets off on that kind of thing
Blktiger0
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Thanks! I'll be honest, I wasn't too hopefully about getting the sources

However, I got a quite pleasant smack in the face (Go You!)

EDIT:

I mostly skimmed, but it seems as though the Rebel flag was more widely used than the one with the circle of stars. It was also their Battle Flag, so it would be the one that symbolized their rebellion more, and the one that more people probably saw. Just a quick (although probably incorrect ) $0.02

Also, are you serious about the Great Great Grandpa thing?
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nickdohle
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Well my Great grandmothers maiden name is Lee and they have always said we were related to them. Now I do not know 100% if this is true. But If Momo says it, I believe it. So it would be more like great great great or great great great great. Something along those lines.

Plus its a cool story to believe I think. lol I remember finding out when I did a 4th grade history report on him.