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#1
Just wondering with this pedal is like. Does it work well boosting a JCM 800 to get a heavy mid range Metal sound? Is it different to a Tube Screamer?

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It is a tube screamer circuit with asymmetrical clipping, making it a little grittier sounding to most. Its a little bit different sounding then like a TS9, but the mid hump is there for sure.

Great hit the drive channel of your amp with and tighten things up. IMO the SD-1 is one of the best bang for the buck OD's out there.
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^ +1, pretty much

it's broadly similar to a TS (in the way he said- i think it's also missing a capacitor around the op-amp's feedback loop which makes the tubescreamer smoother... there are probably/possibly other small differences but those are the two main ones), but sounds sufficiently different that you may prefer it. it's a bit edgier, which can sometimes work better with already-mid-heavy marshalls.
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I use one to boost my Rebel 30 and it certainly works well.
Tightens it up, gives it more punch and helps driving the preamp a good bit harder.

It's a very cost-efficient solution for a solid TS-type pedal for boosting at least.
That's all I need it for actually.
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Sounds decent, do you guys think it will get a good HEAVY thrash metal sound? This is for my guitarist and he's currently boosting his JCM 800 and surprisingly it's not not doing exactly what we want. It's not crunchy and heavy enough or something.
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2203. He's also had it modded with extra gain, but that just gives off bad feedback when he switches it on so he has to get a noise suppressor pedal too. I think he may need another amp personally, but that's not really an option as he only bought this one a few months ago. Has to be a way we can get the sound we want with various pedals.
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Quote by ihartfood
quick question/hijack - seeing as I have one, will it tighten up low end like a TS-9? I've never really used it.


to a certain extent- probably.

as much as a ts? maybe not. i'm only going by my daphon sd1 clone, i haven't got to try it head to head with my joyo ts clone yet, but i fancy it doesn't have just as much of a bass boost. could be completely wrong, though

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It's a very cost-efficient solution for a solid TS-type pedal for boosting at least.
That's all I need it for actually.


yeah. i mean if you were trying to do the tgp robben ford type thing then maybe look elsewhere (though i thought its standalone od tone was actually pretty good), but for boosting an overdriven amp, it's pretty good.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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He's currently using a ts9 and it's not quite getting the sound we're after, so he's gonna try the SD-1.
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sounds good

if it's nearly there but not quite then the sd1 might do it, yeah.

if the ts9 is miles off, though, then i'd maybe look at something more different.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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Quote by Force101
2203. He's also had it modded with extra gain, but that just gives off bad feedback when he switches it on so he has to get a noise suppressor pedal too. I think he may need another amp personally, but that's not really an option as he only bought this one a few months ago. Has to be a way we can get the sound we want with various pedals.


This scares me. Are you talking about the amp, or the pedal? Either way, whoever modded it could have put a lot of shit in it... a la JCM900 or something.


Anyway, the SD-1 has more grit/dirt to it than the TS. I prefer it over my TS-7 for this reason.

Another thing to mention is that if he doesn't have an EQ pedal, he needs one. I like the Boss GE-7, if you don't mind having a separate power supply, the MXR 10 Band is sort of the standard.

And of course, a noise gate is always good. I love the Boss NS-2.
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I've always found - TS for rhythm, SD1 for lead.
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He got the amp modded and there's a bit of noise now. He's got the GE-7 EQ pedal and it helps a bit, but still not quite there. Hopefully the SD-1 gives it more balls/crunch like we're after.
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Stick a JJ ECC803 tube in V1, that should help a bit with the noise.
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Quote by Cathbard
I've always found - TS for rhythm, SD1 for lead.


really? i'd have said the opposite (but i've only given the daphon a quick run through as i've had other gear-related problems i've had to deal with first )

up till now, though, i've been using my timmy clone for rhythm (as it's nicely transparent) and my ts clone for leads.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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Quote by ArchDukeOfTops
It is a tube screamer circuit with asymmetrical clipping, making it a little grittier sounding to most. Its a little bit different sounding then like a TS9, but the mid hump is there for sure.

Great hit the drive channel of your amp with and tighten things up. IMO the SD-1 is one of the best bang for the buck OD's out there.

I played one for about a year and I agree with this. Its definitely more grittier sounding than the other ones I've had since then. Thats why I got rid of it. Also, I honestly did find it to affect my sound, even when it was turned off. I attribute that to the buffered bypass, but I really didn't like that about it. But for the price, you cant beat it! Lots of artists use it too.
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Quote by Cathbard
I've always found - TS for rhythm, SD1 for lead.

Wise words.

Always preferred the SD1 on Mesa's and anything of similar tonal variety. The TS seems to like those Brit-voiced amps that little bit more, same as the 5150 and similar.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
really? i'd have said the opposite (but i've only given the daphon a quick run through as i've had other gear-related problems i've had to deal with first )

up till now, though, i've been using my timmy clone for rhythm (as it's nicely transparent) and my ts clone for leads.

I've always found the SD-1 creates a more fluid tone for lead and tubescreamer creates a better crunch.
I'll be making some Timmy clones in the coming days, waiting on some enclosures. I don't have an SD-1 any more (apart from in the GP-8) because it was in the box that I lost which also contained several mikes and numerous other pedals. I'm intending to use the Timmy where I would normally have used the SD-1. This is just on my pedalboard that I use for harp and just screwing around on my Marshalls and Fender. So I'll have two overdives on it, a TS808 clone and a Timmy clone.
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I had a keeley modded sd-1 the 5 star Ge mod and it turned a good pedal great!!! They are like $139 modded or you can always get the pedal and mod it later. The Mod is worth every penny!!! I wish I still had mine!!! Damn you G.A.S!!!
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Quote by Cathbard
I've always found the SD-1 creates a more fluid tone for lead and tubescreamer creates a better crunch.
I'll be making some Timmy clones in the coming days, waiting on some enclosures. I don't have an SD-1 any more (apart from in the GP-8) because it was in the box that I lost which also contained several mikes and numerous other pedals. I'm intending to use the Timmy where I would normally have used the SD-1. This is just on my pedalboard that I use for harp and just screwing around on my Marshalls and Fender. So I'll have two overdives on it, a TS808 clone and a Timmy clone.


i found the ts a bit middy with most of my amps for rhythm tones. of course, maybe i should have just dialled in the amp to be less middy And it's possible the sd1 is more fluid, as i said, i only had time for a quick try with it.

ts and timmy is a good combo, though.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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Well, Dave, you know me. Leave a tubescreamer with me for more than 5 minutes and I'll mod the bass back in. My tubescreamers are never like normal ones.
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that might be it i'd say it's the mids more than the bass, but then more bass relative to those mids might achieve the same effect, i.e. make the mids seem less prominent.

EDIT: speaking of the timmy and tubescreamer- did you see that thread over on tgp about using either as a boost for metal? bunch of responses saying the timmy is the wrong tool for the job. i really wonder sometimes about tgp. they don't even play metal and think the timmy can't be used as a metal boost, and i've lost count of the amount of times i've seen them recommending mid gain drives (e.g. ocd) for metal.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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I stay away from TGP. They make my head hurt with all their "mojo" bullshit.


It's lack of bass that makes them mids heavy. Turn up the tone control and they have plenty of top end - so where does the mid hump come from? Lack of bass.
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haha yeah.

and yeah that probably is it
Quote by crownegamers
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Adding to this thread, as a standalone OD it works pretty well.
Especially considering the price.

I know there are other, even cheaper and sometimes even better sounding TS clones, but they aren't as solidly built as Boss pedals from what I've seen so far.
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yeah (assuming my daphon is actually a clone) its standalone od tone is pretty good. more marshally than a ts or something like that. I could use it for ac/dc or something like that.
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To me it works pretty well for ZZ Top type tones.
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Digitech Bad Monkey is a way better TS voiced/mid hump low-mid gain overdrive, and dirt cheap to boot. A much better proposition than an SD1. To me at least. All the best.
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