nileflows
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hey guys, im tryin to make my distorted guitars sound like alterbridge or any other alternative band where the distortion sounds really big. please give a listen to this track and give me some ideas on achieving this thing.

there are 3 guitars. 1 panned hard left and 1 in center and 1 panned hard right.

thank you !

http://soundcloud.com/farab/akhono-2
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ChemicalFire
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Well we need to know how you're recording, what equipment you're using, what you've done to the track thus far. There is more to mixing than just recording guitars.


Also you got to remember who ever it is that is mixing Alter Bridge has way more experience and money than you.

From your track I can notice a few things

Mainly your bass is WAY too quiet, most of the beef of guitars comes from bass. Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean it's not there. Normally the bass isn't turned down low, it's just mixed as a complimentary instrument and not one on it's own.

Also the timing sounds funky to me... and not in a good way, maybe that's just me.
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nileflows
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can you shed some light on the timing please?

and its not mixed yet.. its pretty much rough so i just wanted to have some mixing tips for the guitars.
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He's saying the guitar playing is sloppy, which it is somewhat.
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Quote by nileflows
can you shed some light on the timing please?

and its not mixed yet.. its pretty much rough so i just wanted to have some mixing tips for the guitars.


It sounds off and sloppy. A lot of beef comes from good timing.

And how are you recording your distorted tone? It sounds pretty weak.
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nileflows
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im using podhd for the distortion. and yes, you are right about sounding weak. this is what im tryin to overcome. its been only a month i started recording so i really need some advice here. ive looked into lots of threads but no solution yet.
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Here's some things I picked up along the way to make the guitars sound "bigger" in your recording:
First, when you record your guitars look at the waveform. Most multi-tracking recording programs I've seen show the waveforms for the different tracks. The peaks of the wave should come as close to maxing out (or clipping) as you can possibly get without it sounding too distorted.
Also, make sure you don't have too much gain or distortion on your guitar when you're recording. Use just enough to make it sound right. Heavy does not mean more distortion.
Make sure you use an equalizer to scoop out the extreme low and high frequencies. I usually cut all frequencies below 80hz and above 10mhz. The bass guitar adds most of the beefy-ness. It will fill the frequencies you just cut out of the guitar. You may need to reduce some frequencies in the guitar or bass to make room for the other.
Last but not least, I almost always double track heavy guitars and pan one almost completely left and the other right.
Hope this helps...
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Quote by nileflows
im using podhd for the distortion. and yes, you are right about sounding weak. this is what im tryin to overcome. its been only a month i started recording so i really need some advice here. ive looked into lots of threads but no solution yet.


One thing I've learned over the years. Shit in, shit out. The Pod stuff has crappy pre-amps and works far better in a live situation than it does for recording. I used to use a StudioPod with PodFarm and it sounded like ass. I upgraded to an interface with better pre-amps and it sounded about a million times better.

What settings are you using on your pod? It might be possible to get something decent out of it.

Quote by slapfunk_101
Here's some things I picked up along the way to make the guitars sound "bigger" in your recording:
First, when you record your guitars look at the waveform. Most multi-tracking recording programs I've seen show the waveforms for the different tracks. The peaks of the wave should come as close to maxing out (or clipping) as you can possibly get without it sounding too distorted.


No need to do this. You used to have to because of the noise-floor of analogue recordings, but now it's far more beneficial for your waves to average around -12db. It works far FAR better when mixing.

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Also, make sure you don't have too much gain or distortion on your guitar when you're recording. Use just enough to make it sound right. Heavy does not mean more distortion.


This is good advice however

Quote by slapfunk_101

Make sure you use an equalizer to scoop out the extreme low and high frequencies. I usually cut all frequencies below 80hz and above 10mhz.


Good advice poorly given. He should use his ears, no arbitrarily cut out frequencies based on numbers.

Quote by slapfunk_101

The bass guitar adds most of the beefy-ness. It will fill the frequencies you just cut out of the guitar. You may need to reduce some frequencies in the guitar or bass to make room for the other.
Last but not least, I almost always double track heavy guitars and pan one almost completely left and the other right.
Hope this helps...


He's done both of these already.
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nileflows
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has it got something to do with Mono or Stereo ?? I've recorded all the guitars through stereo.
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Believe it or not, recording in mono is what you want. You achieve the effect of stereo when you have two *different* things coming out of each of the speakers.

and +1 to the "keep the majority of the signal somewhere in the -12db zone."

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it is beneficial to record tracks to around -12db? I am surprised by that... somehow things don't seem to "move enough air" when they peak that low. Of course, i'm not a professional or anything, so I must try this next time I record.

Also, I should have been more specific: there is no hard set way to equalize a guitar to make it sound good. What I mean is that often it sounds best to roll off around those frequencies in my experience since they are not often necessary or produce unwanted sounds such as boominess or too much sizzle. Every case will be different and there is no hard set formula so use your ears!
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Quote by slapfunk_101
it is beneficial to record tracks to around -12db? I am surprised by that... somehow things don't seem to "move enough air" when they peak that low. Of course, i'm not a professional or anything, so I must try this next time I record.


Move what air? If you mean through monitors/headphones, just turn the Master volume up and if you mean when you come to export your songs for release then you really need to look into mastering.

You can have your amp up loud no problem, but there is NO reason to have high volumes in mixing. It just means you have 0 head room and no way of fixing it. Most people, my self included just use channel strip plugs to turn the gain down pre-fader cuz it'd very hard to get a -12db average without something like that.
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