#3
^^^ That's probably about right. Great guitarists are defined by melodies and songs, not how fast they played.
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#4
It depends on what you want to do. Being able to play fast doesn't mean anything if it's not musical. Many guys who play super fast actually have horrible time if you slow it down. Take Grant Green for example. He never really played anything super fast, but he's one of the big legends of jazz guitar because he played so musically.

Also, as Nietsche pointed out, it's often harder (and more beneficial to your rhythm) to play very slow than very fast.

That being said, if your goal is to play shred or thrash, (not quite sure about the metal lingo ) it makes sense to put some emphasis on speed.
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Bpm? 150? 160? and great ones? 200? more?


As fast as he needs to so that he successfully creates the correct atmosphere and conveys the right emotions for the song.
#9
Well it really isn't speed alone that makes you great. That's the correct answer and I'm betting some other guy will post that too, but since I feel that concrete answers in MT are so rare these days, I will say that it depends a lot on genre. A good blues/reggae guitarist doesn't really have to be able to play faster songs than 140-150 BPM, but good for a shredder is more like 200+. And of course everything in between. What do you mean by good btw? Good enough to be in a band? Good compared to other professional musicians?
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#12
i'm assuming by "great guitarist" you mean "bass player"
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#13
As fast as me. Maybe some day, after a lifetime of dedicated practice, you can get close to that. It's an admirable goal.

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#14
How fast you play should not be the focus of your playing. It is important, but at the end of the day, which guitarist is going to play better, one that can play at 200BPM with no originality, or one that can play at 80 BPM but have musicianship?
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Bpm? 150? 160? and great ones? 200? more?

Why? Have you just got the metronome out and realized you're only at like 140 - 145 or something?

Yeah, you're not good yet, then. Sorry.
#17
How about this...

Fast enough to play Van Halen songs if that's what you want to play.

Fast enough to play James Taylor songs if that's what you want to play.

Fast enough to play Yngwie songs if that's what you want to play.

and so on...

and so on...
#19
Like Buckethead.
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#20
A guitarist is never too fast. A guitarist is never too slow. A guitarist plays at exactly the speed he means too.
#21
It has nothing to do with speed. The ultimate goal should be to be able to fluidly express your thoughts and emotions with your instrument, in whatever style you want.
#23
It doesn't matter
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A guitarist is never too fast. A guitarist is never too slow. A guitarist plays at exactly the speed he means too.


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#25
I can play pretty fast.... but I have put a ton of work into a two-handed-plus-tap-the-fretboard-with-my-nose technique. I've got a real Woody Woodpecker thing going on thanks to all the practice I've done. I've gotta lay the guitar on the stage floor mid song for the solo... but you can make it part of a floor slide and it can be real cool. This technique allows me to play so fast that its just a single stream of sound comes from the amps...it sets every dog in the neighbourhood off because of the frequencies created. I can play faster than all of you. I am better than all of you.
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#26
You mean sixteenths? Because I can play at 400 bpm easily: I play fourths.

But really, as many people here have said, you only need to be able to play as fast as the fastest song you want to play. Why learn to play like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DMyM7ARJUI
if you don't need to play that fast in any song? You learn to play guitar to play the music inside of you. If you hear "Flight of Bumblebee" at 999bpm in your head (and that's your goal in music), then you need to be able to play it in 999bpm to be good. Remember that guitar is not a sport, it's about playing music and you are a good guitarist when you can play the music you want to play.
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#27
Why need to learn to play like that guy at all when what he's playing sounds like shit? I'll cut off my right hand if any of the stuff towards the higher end of the metronome was clean and accurate. The point of my comment at the top of the page was that speed, while it can be important in some contexts, tends to hide a lot of details about someone's playing. If you're moving so fast the music is an indistinguishable blur it's easy to cover up sloppy playing. The real test comes from being able to turn that metronome down and have everything be clean and in time.

I think what I'm really trying to get at here is that everyone should stop listening to shred and start listening to funeral doom.
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I can play pretty fast.... but I have put a ton of work into a two-handed-plus-tap-the-fretboard-with-my-nose technique. I've got a real Woody Woodpecker thing going on thanks to all the practice I've done. I've gotta lay the guitar on the stage floor mid song for the solo... but you can make it part of a floor slide and it can be real cool. This technique allows me to play so fast that its just a single stream of sound comes from the amps...it sets every dog in the neighbourhood off because of the frequencies created. I can play faster than all of you. I am better than all of you.


^ This is all true. I've heard him play. In fact, he plays so fast that the clicks of his pick on the strings make their own note, which he cleverly incorporates into the harmony of the song.
#30
Why do you even care about if you are good or not? Just play the guitar. You'll never be completely happy with your playing because you always see what you could have done better and what mistakes you made. And you can always improve your skills. Nobody's perfect and will never be. Just play music and stop worrying about when you become a good player.
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#32
As fast as he needs.
If you're thinking:
"If I get 170bpm playing I'll be great", well we have to change that mindset. Think:
"If I can play WHATEVER pops up in my head, I'll be great, or at least good"
That is because there's other stufff going on. Because if whatever pops in your head is crap, well you know..