#1
I'm getting two WSG Retro 30's for Christmas to put in my JCA24S. The cab is rated at 8ohms, but idr what the speakers are. However, Would I be able to buy 16ohm replacements and be fine? I'm not that savvy to speaker wiring, and I figured it would be better to ask than try to just figure it out on my own when I'm only half-informed.

The reason I want 16ohm speakers is that I want to get a cab later from Whitebox that's a 4x12 with V30's and K-100's in an X pattern, and I want to be able to swap these for the V30's if I want to, or even the K-100's if I don't like them. Basically, I want all of my speakers to be able to work together, so that my combinations aren't limited at all.
#2
Quote by Blktiger0
I'm getting two WSG Retro 30's for Christmas to put in my JCA24S. The cab is rated at 8ohms, but idr what the speakers are. However, Would I be able to buy 16ohm replacements and be fine? I'm not that savvy to speaker wiring, and I figured it would be better to ask than try to just figure it out on my own when I'm only half-informed.

The reason I want 16ohm speakers is that I want to get a cab later from Whitebox that's a 4x12 with V30's and K-100's in an X pattern, and I want to be able to swap these for the V30's if I want to, or even the K-100's if I don't like them. Basically, I want all of my speakers to be able to work together, so that my combinations aren't limited at all.


2 16ohm speaker run in parallel makes 8 ohms.

Good choice.

If you pull the old speaker out and they are 4 ohm then it was run in series and you will have to make it parallel. If they are 16 then hook them up the same way you removed them.
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#3
I will add that I had a great experience with WGS on my recent order from them. Speakers are well packaged, they arrived a day early and tracking numbers were sent via e-mail.

No delay in processing the order either. No complaints and I will not hesitate to order from them again.
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#4
I'd be very surprised if they were two 4 ohm speakers in series. Very surprised indeed.
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#5
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I'd be very surprised if they were two 4 ohm speakers in series. Very surprised indeed.


I would be as well. I just included it as precautionary. No need to end up with a 32 ohm speaker set-up.
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#6
No - unless you were gonna run it on top of a 4x12 to make a 6x12. 32 is ideal for that.
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#7
far as i'm aware the stock JCA speakers are 16 ohm. I seem to remember seeing that on them. And I seem to remember the stereo option is 16 ohms.

http://www.jetcityamplification.com/2009/09/29/jca24s-2/

so yeah, 16 ohm speakers will be fine. you'll have 8 ohms overall impedance since it's wired in parallel.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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#8
Thanks guys!

I figured it would be fine, but I didn't want to end up with a 32ohm cab just because I didn't ask

My cab is stereo (although I don't use it) and I'm pretty sure the stereo option is indeed 16ohms. I hadn't thought to just use that. I forget the thing can even do stereo most of the time because I have tape over the other jack and the switch so that I don't use them on accident in the rush of setting up.

I'm placing the order now, though. I'm pretty excited for Christmas now
#9
Quote by Blktiger0
A) However, Would I be able to buy 16ohm replacements and be fine? I'm not that savvy to speaker wiring

B)The reason I want 16ohm speakers is that I want to get a cab later from Whitebox that's a 4x12 with V30's and K-100's in an X pattern, and I want to be able to swap these for the V30's if I want to, or even the K-100's if I don't like them. Basically, I want all of my speakers to be able to work together, so that my combinations aren't limited at all.


A) the jet city should be running two 16 ohms speakers in parallel in that cab. it should be direct replacement, and still be rated at 8 ohms

B)i would double check that whitebox cab. it is pretty rare to have anything but 8 ohm G12K-100's (for some reason they just don't offer the 16 ohm versions).
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#10
^ good spot (the g12k100) gumbi
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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#11
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^ good spot (the g12k100) gumbi


you were the one who actually tipped me off on that.
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#12
excellent.

Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#13
I had actually thought that they only came in 16, but I think I switched it around with V30's being more common in 16 and K100s not coming in 16.

Luckily, I haven't oredered them because banks aren't open on Sunday to deposit my money

If I go with 8, then that'll make it a 4ohm cab. Would someone be willing to enlighten me on how to change my cab to series to get 16ohms out of it? I don't NEED to, but what I've gathered, it sounds better to use the highest rating your amp can take, so I would prefer the 16.

If you guys don't think there's any difference, though, then I probably won't bother. Having it be 4ohms WOULD ruin any stereo possibilities with it, but I haven't had any use for that yet.
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Quote by Blktiger0
If I go with 8, then that'll make it a 4ohm cab. Would someone be willing to enlighten me on how to change my cab to series to get 16ohms out of it? I don't NEED to, but what I've gathered, it sounds better to use the highest rating your amp can take, so I would prefer the 16.


if i were ordering a cabinet, i'd just see if they could wire it in series instead, if that is what you want. it is really not a big deal for them most likely.

if they don't wanna wire your cab in series, then doing it yourself is really simple too. you'd go to radio shack and get some speaker connectors and speaker cable (you'll also want wire strippers and pliers too if you don't have them).

then you may have to make an extra cable with the connectors and wire and then you'd wire it to look like the top wiring here:



Quote by Blktiger0
If you guys don't think there's any difference, though, then I probably won't bother. Having it be 4ohms WOULD ruin any stereo possibilities with it, but I haven't had any use for that yet.


there probably won't be a dramatic difference to tell truth. the difference between an 4 ohm and a 16 ohm tap on a transformers just deals with wire windings the signal goes through.

i have heard you get a bit more low end on the 4 ohm setting and less low end on the 16 ohm setting.
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#15
I'm replacing the speakers in my JCA24S, not ordering one. Cab wiring is pretty damn simple, though, so I should have no issues converting it, should I so wish.

I'm gonna take a look inside my cab here in a few and see if it uses connectors or solder and look at the speakers to get an idea of what I'm gonna have myself into on xmas morning, dropping new speakers in sitting in my mom's living room
#16
Okay, I opened the cab to see what I was up against.









First off, I have 2 questions:

1.) Can someone get me a link to the connectors and wire I'll need for this, so I know exactly what I'm looking for if I go out or buy online?

2.) Can I change the wiring of this can without a different jack plate? That one is PCB stuff, which isn't what I was expecting, but in all fairness, I've never opened a cab before this one.

Then, what are your thoughts on the quality of all of the components used here?
#17
Quote by Blktiger0
I had actually thought that they only came in 16, but I think I switched it around with V30's being more common in 16 and K100s not coming in 16.

Luckily, I haven't oredered them because banks aren't open on Sunday to deposit my money

If I go with 8, then that'll make it a 4ohm cab. Would someone be willing to enlighten me on how to change my cab to series to get 16ohms out of it? I don't NEED to, but what I've gathered, it sounds better to use the highest rating your amp can take, so I would prefer the 16.

If you guys don't think there's any difference, though, then I probably won't bother. Having it be 4ohms WOULD ruin any stereo possibilities with it, but I haven't had any use for that yet.


personally i'd just take the easy way out and let it be a 4 ohm cab. You're pretty much giving yourself work for nothing, if you ask me. Plus, arguably parallel wiring is safer because if one speaker fails the amp still sees a load.

i tried one of my other cabs which has a series/parallel switch on 16 and 4 ohms, and while i think there was a very slight difference, it was incredibly subtle, and well within "am i just imagining that?" levels.

Plus if you go with the 4 ohm cab, you have stereo capability. you may never use it but you might as well have the option, kind of thing.

EDIT: yeah yours uses spades like mine. if you'd asked you'd have saved yourself the bother of opening the thing
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Dec 10, 2012,
#18
Quote by Dave_Mc
personally i'd just take the easy way out and let it be a 4 ohm cab. You're pretty much giving yourself work for nothing, if you ask me. Plus, arguably parallel wiring is safer because if one speaker fails the amp still sees a load.

i tried one of my other cabs which has a series/parallel switch on 16 and 4 ohms, and while i think there was a very slight difference, it was incredibly subtle, and well within "am i just imagining that?" levels.

Plus if you go with the 4 ohm cab, you have stereo capability. you may never use it but you might as well have the option, kind of thing.

EDIT: yeah yours uses spades like mine. if you'd asked you'd have saved yourself the bother of opening the thing


That's probably what I'll do at this point. I didn't expect it to be that complicated

I honestly wasn't sure of any difference, and I suspected snake oil, but you can never be too sure. In case you're in the know on this, is there a difference in sound between front-loaded or rear-loaded speaker cabs? I was reading on another forum sonthing about how they didn't like rear-loaded K-100's but front loaded was okay, which made very little sense to me. I mean, this doesn't apply here, I was just wondering while on the topic.

Is the only point of a stereo cab to be able to use two heads at once? I've honestly never understood the point.

Honestly, I opened it so that I wouldn't have any surprises. I just wanted to know what to expect to see when I go to put those in and be prepared. How do spade connectors work? Can I just pull those off of the JCA speakers, unscrew the speakers, screw the new ones in, and reconnect? Is it that simple? Also, the speakers only have 4 screws actually used around them, so every hole isn't in use. Is that good or bad?

Sorry for all of these questions I'm just curious about this stuff. I might get crazy and make my own cab at some point, so this is all good info to have.
#19
Yeah stereo is for 2 heads at once. Either stereo operation(flanger chorus) or having your other guitarist use the other 2x12.

Make sure to save your original speakers- when you go to sell the cab just slap them back in there.

And yes you can just pull the connectors off, swap the speakers and reconnect. No solder needed.
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#20
Quote by R45VT
Yeah stereo is for 2 heads at once. Either stereo operation(flanger chorus) or having your other guitarist use the other 2x12.

Make sure to save your original speakers- when you go to sell the cab just slap them back in there.

And yes you can just pull the connectors off, swap the speakers and reconnect. No solder needed.


I figured. I just don't see a whole lot of point in using stereo on a single 2x12

Oh, without a doubt.

Awesome. That makes my life easier, and I like easier. Do I need to buy anything at all, then?
#21
As long as the speaker screw holds line up you should be set.

Also- can your amp handle 4 ohms?
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#22
Yeah, it can take 4, 8, or 16.

Egnater didn't f*** around when it came to compatability with this and the Armageddon. IIRC, the Armageddon has MIDI capabilities that this lacks, but I won't ever use that anyway.

I mean, the footswitch cable is XLR, which means you can just steal the vocalist's mic cable, as he's less important anyway.

Then, if you don't like their switch or want mulitple ones or just one small one for one function, it's got 3 quarter inch jacks in the back for different footswitch functions.

It'll take any power tubes, and the bias adjust is super easy.

It's also got an XLR line out on the back, although it's not a silent record function.

You could literally rig up just about anything and get this to work with it
#23
Quote by Blktiger0
That's probably what I'll do at this point. I didn't expect it to be that complicated

I honestly wasn't sure of any difference, and I suspected snake oil, but you can never be too sure. In case you're in the know on this, is there a difference in sound between front-loaded or rear-loaded speaker cabs? I was reading on another forum sonthing about how they didn't like rear-loaded K-100's but front loaded was okay, which made very little sense to me. I mean, this doesn't apply here, I was just wondering while on the topic.

Is the only point of a stereo cab to be able to use two heads at once? I've honestly never understood the point.

Honestly, I opened it so that I wouldn't have any surprises. I just wanted to know what to expect to see when I go to put those in and be prepared. How do spade connectors work? Can I just pull those off of the JCA speakers, unscrew the speakers, screw the new ones in, and reconnect? Is it that simple? Also, the speakers only have 4 screws actually used around them, so every hole isn't in use. Is that good or bad?

Sorry for all of these questions I'm just curious about this stuff. I might get crazy and make my own cab at some point, so this is all good info to have.


no worries about opening it, it's definitely a good idea to be sure. Just because mine has spades doesn't mean yours will, kind of thing.

Yeah I've read there's a difference between front- and rear-loaded... i honestly don't know. I suspect there is a difference, but no idea how much. My harley benton cab is front-loaded, and my other ones are all rear-loaded, but it's impossible to tell how much of the difference is in the front-loaded/rear-loaded thing, because they're all different cabs with different dimensions, which also make a difference. From what i hear, rear-loaded sounds a bit more vintage while front-loaded sounds more "in-your-face". Whether that's true, I dunno. And I mean with vintage speakers my harley benton sounded vintage...

yep spade connectors make it very easy.

in theory anyway. I'm useless at diy type stuff and normally things find a way to screw me over

Anyway, first thing first is to make a note of where all the connections go (and take a digital photo too).

Then, yeah, it's just a matter of taking off the spade connectors. Sometimes they can be tight, in which case pliers (be careful with them that you don't wreck the thing!) are the thing to use.

Sometimes the speaker can be stuck to the front of the cab (I'm guessing because they put the speaker there before the finish had dried on the cab). As long as you're sure all the screws have been removed from the speaker, it's just a matter of brute force and ignorance... What i found best was to grab the metal frame of the speaker with one hand (maybe wear gloves so you don't get cut) and part of the cab with my other and then just lever the things apart until the speaker came loose. EDIT: that's the last resort, though, that i only had to do with one of the speakers in my black pearl. Odds are the speaker will come away just by using two hands on the speaker frame- the ones in my jet city cab certainly did.

the big advantage of 4 screws is it's a heck of a lot less annoying than having to unscrew and replace 8 screws. As long as they match up, i don't think it matters. Celestion only uses 4 holes on most of their speakers, and no-one says celestions suck.

another advantage of stereo cabs is that, if you have two different speakers in the cab, you can use them separately (to hear what they're like, to suit different amps, etc. etc.). But yeah if you have two of the same speaker in there, unless you only want to hear the one speaker (maybe if you were recording?), it's not much use other than using two heads, as you said.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Dec 10, 2012,
#24
Thanks, Dave!

I usually fail at DIY also, but I'm trying to prepare myself as much as possible. I mean, easy connectors, and 8 screws. Not to hard in theory

Also, part of the reason I took these pics was to have reference

I'll probably take a few right before I do it, too that are close-up on the speaker connectors.
#25
good point. yeah i reckon you can see enough from those pics of the speakers to be good to go (i can see which wires go where and what colour they are). Though closer up wouldn't hurt, either, i suppose.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#27


let us know what you think when you get them
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#28
You think for a second that I would pass on reviewing something?

I love doing reviews. Especially on Guitar-related shenanigans. Plus, I won't be able to resist a NSD. I might combine it and my Zakk Wylde wah into one for a NWASD/NSAWD. I'll probably do that.
#29
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?