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#1
Hi guys, I'm normally ok with working out scales, especially when I have Guitar Pro at my side, but I'm a little unsure about this one...

Is it C Major?
Is it G Bebop?
Is it D Bebop Minor?
Is it D Bebop Dorian?
Is it something else?
...or just an absolute mess?

The 8 notes used are D,E,F,F#,G,A,B,C

Thanks
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#2
Well, you might have noticed that D Bebop Dorian and G Bebop Dominant have the same notes. That's a giveaway that you can't really identify a scale by listing the notes alone.

Where does it resolve? (I don't have a GP5 player, so can't help with that).

But, I mean, it could just be a C major with a #4 added. It's not like you don't see that sort of thing all the time. You can use chromatic notes in almost any context if you know what you're doing - it's not always (or even often) productive to come up with a scale name to describe the collection of notes you're using even when it's uniquely possible.

Where's it resolve?
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Well, you might have noticed that D Bebop Dorian and G Bebop Dominant have the same notes. That's a giveaway that you can't really identify a scale by listing the notes alone.

Where does it resolve? (I don't have a GP5 player, so can't help with that).

But, I mean, it could just be a C major with a #4 added. It's not like you don't see that sort of thing all the time. You can use chromatic notes in almost any context if you know what you're doing - it's not always (or even often) productive to come up with a scale name to describe the collection of notes you're using even when it's uniquely possible.

Where's it resolve?
Yeah that's why I included the GP file... the underlying chords are D5 -> C5 -> B5 -> C5 so I guess it resolves to D but none of the other notes sound like accidentals.
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#4
Goddamnit, there's no such thing as a bebop scale. Who the hell is putting all these retarded ideas in your head?

...modes and scales are still useless.


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#6
It's just a C scale with an added flat 5
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It's just a C scale with an added flat 5
Doesn't that mean it's not a C scale... and it doesn't resolve to C...
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Doesn't that mean it's not a C scale... and it doesn't resolve to C...

Fundamentally, you don't know how scales work. That's why this is all so confusing to you. Go back to the very basics and clear up those misconceptions and this will become extremely easy to understand. But at the same time, truly understanding how they work also means the realization that they don't work in music the way you think it does, and it also means there's no such thing as a goddamn bebop scale.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Fundamentally, you don't know how scales work. That's why this is all so confusing to you. Go back to the very basics and clear up those misconceptions and this will become extremely easy to understand. But at the same time, truly understanding how they work also means the realization that they don't work in music the way you think it does, and it also means there's no such thing as a goddamn bebop scale.
But Wiki says so
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What key do you think it's in?
I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.
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But Wiki says so I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.

There are only two types of keys.
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But Wiki says so I would guess at either D Bebop Minor or an absolute mess.

Wikipedia is the worst teacher in the world.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Wikipedia is the worst teacher in the world.
Touche! but Google says so too and Google is awesome.
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#15
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Yeah that's why I included the GP file... the underlying chords are D5 -> C5 -> B5 -> C5 so I guess it resolves to D


How do you get that progression resolving to D? That's not what I hear at all.
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Touche! but Google says so too and Google is awesome.

If you're ill and google (or wiki) the symptoms, it will inevitably suggest that you have cancer. That also applies here for music. You have musical cancer right now.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Sounds like my type of Cancer!
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Xmas is over, Santa. Lose the hat.

It is always Xmas in my book.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Goddamnit, there's no such thing as a bebop scale. Who the hell is putting all these retarded ideas in your head?

...but i put the do bop between the ee wop and bebop!
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Sounds like my type of Cancer!


WHich doesn't solve the bigger problem of you feeling like this resolves to D.
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Right, I think I see where I've been mistaken on the idea of resolution; it's not necessarily the chord you finish/start on as much as it is the chord the progression is most 'comfortable' on? Or am I still way off?

Am I to take the power chords as their root notes (ignore the fifths/take them as accidentals) and view it as C major?
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#25
I listened to it. where is the progression going after that? Or does it just loop for a bit before moving on to another section?.
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#26
Really any word like "comfortable" or "safe" or "good" should never be used to describe resolution within a key. An unresolved note or chord could be any of those things as well.

You should definitely study some functional harmony. musictheory.net has some great lessons on this kind of thing. And please don't take that advice as me avoiding the question. I could go into it, but I would probably end up typing for at least an hour. Run through some of those lessons and learn some music, and try to figure out how the theory is applied in that music.
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#27
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Nope, it's a #4. These things matter.

Oops. My bad
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I listened to it. where is the progression going after that? Or does it just loop for a bit before moving on to another section?.
The section I've written following that progresses Dm -> Bb -> C -> A7 -> Dm -> Bb -> Csus4 -> A7
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