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#81
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Classic Rock is a radio format, not a genre, IMHO. One of the biggest classic rock stations here in Dallas plays U2, Simple Minds, and other bands of that ilk alongside Crüe & Purple...and the occasional Metallica.

dude i love 92.5
#82
Love it, too- it's about the only station my entire family can agree on to listen to in the car that isn't so relaxing as to risk putting someone to sleep...especially me as the driver!
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#83
Quote by ihartfood
i think metal is a very general term.

rooster your recordings are pretty cool but that's not really the sub genre of metal that TS is in to.

"strats can handle metal"
what does this mean? it sure can't mean that you'll nail a metallica tone with a MiM strat

if you were playing stoner metal, or sabbath or something a strat might work.

whatever. it's very general.


Kirk Hammet used a Strat on Master of Puppets. Also, Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath uses SG's and most stoner metal bands use humbucker-equipped guitars, especially Gibson. I don't know of any stoner metal bands that use strats.
#84
i know, but you could play say the dragonaut riff on a strat, or fuzz it up for baroness or orange goblin.

hell i don't know it was an example.

electric wizard
#85
Quote by deadsmileyface
Kirk Hammet used a Strat on Master of Puppets. Also, Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath uses SG's and most stoner metal bands use humbucker-equipped guitars, especially Gibson. I don't know of any stoner metal bands that use strats.



Iommi DID use a strat in the studio.

Something happened to it, and he went to his backup SG.

But, obviously, he's more famous for using an SG

Also, Electric Wizard rules.
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#86
Man, this got off topic.

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Thats too bad, I was under the impression I was arguing something profound


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#88
Quote by Charvel1995
Iommi DID use a strat in the studio.

Something happened to it, and he went to his backup SG.

But, obviously, he's more famous for using an SG

Also, Electric Wizard rules.


Yeah I know that.


Electric Wizard
#89
Quote by ihartfood
i know, but you could play say the dragonaut riff on a strat, or fuzz it up for baroness or orange goblin.

hell i don't know it was an example.

electric wizard


Matt Pike used a Les Paul. But I suppose it could be played on a strat, but it wouldn't sound right.
#90
Quote by deadsmileyface
Matt Pike used a Les Paul. But I suppose it could be played on a strat, but it wouldn't sound right.


Is there an Electric Wizard group on this website. We should start one if there isn't.

This thread was derailed long ago, but I still say some metal can be played on a strat
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#91
Off Topic: Barbarian is one of the best metal songs ever written. Ever.


the hwiizzaaarrdd...

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#92
Quote by W4RP1G
It was inevitable here, since "metal" can be interpreted many different ways. It's kind of annoying, but the conversation simply can't progress if everyone is talking about something different. Unfortunately, it still hasn't progressed


No, they are technically metal. They shouldn't be kicked out of the genre, but they should be differentiated from other forms of metal with which they share little in common. Sub-genres exist for a reason, and in this case they help quite a bit. Unfortunately, I don't know exactly where Zep falls, except for "classic rock"(which used to be rock from one era when I was growing up), but to just call them metal is needlessly confusing.


+1
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#93
Richard Kruspe played one back in 1995. 3 single coils. Not that I like them, but early Rammstein was played on one, and an ESP 901.
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#94
Quote by Charvel1995
Metal started off as blues rock and got heavier.

There's nothing wrong with calling Zeppelin a metal band. Their sound isn't consistently clean, they dirty it up all the time. Black Sabbath was originally a blues-rock style band too, so what's your point? Had Tony Iommi not been involved in a factory accident, I can see them still being that way today.

By chugga chugga, you mean -core bands. Chugga chugga isn't limited to metal, you are aware of that. Hardcore/punk bands do it, even pop-punk bands do it. Way to stereotype metal as "chugga chugga" by the way. Good on ya. Metal isn't all chugga chugga, nor is that the ideal metal sound.

Why should I buy a Super Strat when I can get a Strat?

Also, the quote in your sig, and your gear contradict one another.

I wasn't completely serious about that thing about Led Zeppelin. But IMO they are more like rock/blues/funk/folk band than metal band. But really, the members in Led Zeppelin don't want to be categorized as metal. But the point is, Led Zeppelin isn't The Metal Sound. I mean, they have pretty similar guitar sound to many classic rock bands (and they use even less distortion than many other rock bands). Black Sabbath has much more distortion and much heavier riffs than LZ. I don't even find LZ riffs any heavy.

If you are into heavier metal, a Strat wouldn't be the most ideal sound for that. Strat could do the sounds but not the best. At least I wouldn't buy a Strat if I primarily played any heavier genres that I do now (Guns N' Roses is the heaviest, sometimes Metallica). And yeah, metal doesn't really say anything because it could be glam metal or death metal. And they sound completely different.

About my sig. Those are all the gear I have but I don't really use my chorus any more (because I prefer my amp's tone to chorus+my amp). But it's there because some other amps have crappy clean channels (and I haven't bothered to sell it). And I don't use my RP355 through my amp, it's only for recording. The RP355 is a serious tone sucker and sounds awful through my amp. So what's wrong with my sig? I primarily play guitar -> amp and that's the sound I enjoy the most.
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#95
Strats work fine for metal. Replace the bridge PUP with a single-size HB, or buy a fat strat, and have at it. Whoever says strats cant do metal are just going by looks alone :P
#96
I think that the issue here is what's the easiest guitar to play it on. I wouldn't say a Strat is as easy as an Explorer. But I'm sure you'd get used to it.

Led Zep = Awesome. Classifying music in such a way and obsessing over genres and sub genres is pointless anyway. It's only for radio stations to pigeon hole bands for their demographic.

You either like it or you don't. That's how should be, and anyone who only listens to one type of music and/or dismisses other types of music doesn't know shit.
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Last edited by Mephaphil at Jan 18, 2013,
#97
^ oh i agree. i love led zep. I'm classifying the things because of the guitar tones and equipment required, rather than because i care less about what arcane subgenre music should fit into.

Quote by dethfield
Strats work fine for metal. Replace the bridge PUP with a single-size HB, or buy a fat strat, and have at it. Whoever says strats cant do metal are just going by looks alone :P




i've said countless times that when i say "strats aren't ideal for metal," i'm talking about vintage spec strats (i.e. no humbuckers). I'm well aware that if you put a humbucker into a strat (certainly a more modern-style strat with 22 frets, wider and flatter fretboard etc.) you suddenly have something that's not merely passable for metal, but actually really freaking good for it. Superstrats are awesome for metal.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#98
I've said countless times that when i say "strats aren't ideal for metal," i'm talking about vintage spec strats (i.e. no humbuckers). I'm well aware that if you put a humbucker into a strat (certainly a more modern-style strat with 22 frets, wider and flatter fretboard etc.) you suddenly have something that's not merely passable for metal, but actually really freaking good for it. Superstrats are awesome for metal.


The Jim Root Strat is made for metal!
Quote by Shredwizard445
Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better.


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Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better.


#99
yeah, exactly. that's basically what a superstrat is, take a strat and make it more suitable for heavier/more modern tones. it's not surprising it works well, lol.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

Last edited by Dave_Mc at Jan 18, 2013,
#100
A Superstrat is, in it's most basic form, a Strat with a high output HB pickup in the bridge. So, duh, replacing a vintage spec strat's single coil bridge pup with a HB would make it ideal for metal.
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#101
yeah (though let's not start that "what's a superstrat?" thing again ). I hate it when people argue against a point you're not even making.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#102
Quote by deadsmileyface
Kirk Hammet used a Strat on Master of Puppets. Also, Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath uses SG's and most stoner metal bands use humbucker-equipped guitars, especially Gibson. I don't know of any stoner metal bands that use strats.



Dead Meadow. He's got some great Strat sounds.


By the way, loving the stoner metal love in this thread.

Quote by EyeNon15
Thats too bad, I was under the impression I was arguing something profound


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#103
Quote by Dave_Mc
^ oh i agree. i love led zep. I'm classifying the things because of the guitar tones and equipment required, rather than because i care less about what arcane subgenre music should fit into.




i've said countless times that when i say "strats aren't ideal for metal," i'm talking about vintage spec strats (i.e. no humbuckers). I'm well aware that if you put a humbucker into a strat (certainly a more modern-style strat with 22 frets, wider and flatter fretboard etc.) you suddenly have something that's not merely passable for metal, but actually really freaking good for it. Superstrats are awesome for metal.

well Lace Sensors are single coil and yet are good for metal there are a few othere single coiol pups that work well also. perhaps a better way to state this is vintage spec singles which admittedly aren't very good for metal. for the record neither of my strats havew vintage spec singles in them.
#104
^ yep, agreed. I've been saying "vintage spec strats" (which implies low output, vintage-style single coils) thoughout the thread, lol. Not my fault if other people don't read my posts properly.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#105
People put too much emphasis on pickups.

Tom Morellos Tele is stock, Johnny 5 has aftermarket pickups but hardly uses any gain. There's plenty of bands who rely a lot more on EQ than pickups, with proof from their onstage equipment and stock guitars.

Of course, if you want to nail someone's tone you'll need a certain type of pickup. But can you play lots of different types of metal on single coils? I think that you definitely can. Okay, you might not nail the tone, but you can get something that resembles it well with a good EQ unit, some delay and the right distortion and more importantly, the right amp.

People chuck EMGs into guitars way too quickly with the poles right on the strings. I think pickups have their uses but the highest output EMGS will sound similar in most guitars, you should try to maintain good clarity while achieving a fuller or more treble based tone with your amp and current equipment before you start messing with pickups that could be fine as they are for lots of situations.

I'm guilty of the above, but I've learned a hit more about EQ and have benefited from it.

That's just what I think in any case.
Quote by Shredwizard445
Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better.


Quote by Shredwizard445
Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better.


Last edited by Mephaphil at Jan 19, 2013,
#106
disagree

while i agree that a lot of people put the cart before the horse (getting new pickups when you still have a spider is admittedly silly), once you have a good amp pickups make a big difference. certainly if you're talking vintage output strat pickups versus metal-orientated humbuckers. the difference is night and day.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#107
Yea, I agree. You should really think about your other equipment before you start looking at the pickups. Then pickups start to really come into their own.

Lots of people get some great metal tones from a Strat and a Tele. I may have edited before you started, I apologise
Quote by Shredwizard445
Go ahead and spend your money, I don't care. It won't make you sound better.


Quote by Shredwizard445
Sure upgrading your gear will make you sound better.


Last edited by Mephaphil at Jan 19, 2013,
#108
no worries

yeah i mean when i say "good metal tones" i'd be the first to agree you don't need emgs. but i also wouldn't be using vintage output strat pickups either, kind of thing.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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