Bladed-Vaults
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#1
Well I have a splawn 4x12 and at the moment. It has small blocks and texas heats in an X

the texas heats have a bit too much twangy sizzle on the top end (wasnt a dime tone fan shoot me)

I would like to swap them for something more lowmid/bass

I was thinking v30s but im open to suggestions.

obviously I play metal. I like a good tight bass frequency... gimme dem Br00tz
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K100's



will that work well with the small blocks?
only k100s ive ever heard were a full 4 loaded cab.
sounded hollow to me
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Quote by Bladed-Vaults
will that work well with the small blocks?
only k100s ive ever heard were a full 4 loaded cab.
sounded hollow to me

That's probably a good analysis that's why they're great paired with a middy speaker like a V30 to accentuate the growl. As far as small blocks/K100 go I have no experience with the small blocks sorry
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wasnt a dime tone fan shoot me





bad pun is bad... or unintentional
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the texas heats have a bit too much twangy sizzle on the top end

I would like to swap them for something more lowmid/bass

I was thinking v30s but im open to suggestions.

obviously I play metal. I like a good tight bass frequency... gimme dem Br00tz


if you think the texas heats have too much sizzle then maybe the V30 might not be for you as the V30 has quite a bit of a spike in the mids. then again, if you still want some of that characteristic the V30 might be a little more subtle and meet your needs.

if you want something with low mid/bass then the K-100 is still quite valid, it provides what you are asking for. also, being mixed with another speaker might balance out what you don't like about the speaker.

i use a eminence swamp thang it is adds a bit of body to my cabinet. also a weber gray wolf sounds like it may meet your needs.

my honest advice is to just start playing as many speakers as possible, really getting the speaker you'll be happy with is a personal journey. good luck
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Small Blocks don't have the upper-mid spike that V30s do, so they're not as harsh by themselves. Right now I'm using a Small Block/V30 x pattern in my 412. The low end stays tight but still has some good midrange growl.

But anyways, back to TS's original question, V30s are tight, but they have some of that sizzle you're wanting to get rid of (^Ninja'd). K100s, as you can see, get recommended often here. You might also check out G12T75s.

I have a question for you: what amp are you using thru this cab?
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V30s are definitely not what you want. Pretty subdued bass/low mids in favor of a strong high mid emphasis. Lots of sizzle and graininess. The K-100 might do what you want. Never tried mine with my Creambacks.
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Small Blocks don't have the upper-mid spike that V30s do, so they're not as harsh by themselves. Right now I'm using a Small Block/V30 x pattern in my 412. The low end stays tight but still has some good midrange growl.

But anyways, back to TS's original question, V30s are tight, but they have some of that sizzle you're wanting to get rid of (^Ninja'd). K100s, as you can see, get recommended often here. You might also check out G12T75s.

I have a question for you: what amp are you using thru this cab?



I use 3 different amps one for each band. all are techinal metal bands
1 egnater vengeance -6 string in drop c
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to be quite honest Im not entirely sure what the small blocks sound like on their own This is the first cab ive owned with them. To make this more confusing now It might be those im not diggin.
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#10
you have knocked out eminence....so the other other logical choice is WGS
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THs are pretty chunky in the bass... if they're not bassy enough...

granted they may well have completely the wrong tone for what you want (and you also have them combined with greenbacky speakers which will massively affect the overall tone)... but yeah.

EDIT: are you sure it's the THs and not the small blocks you don't like? THs combined with swamp thangs might be worth considering. granted pretty american-sounding.
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#12
If you have the stuff to mic up your amp and record clips, why don't you record each of the two speakers in your cab on it's own, and see which one it is that you aren't digging?

Once you do that, it'll make it easier to decide what you need

If you don't like too much upper-mid sizzle, I would go for WGS Retro 30's and Celestion K-100's (or K-85's, which are basically identical) in an X pattern, since you don't know which speaker is the problem.

FWIW, I have the Retro 30's in my 2x12 with my Vengeance, and I love them. Nice tight bass with plenty of mids to cut through, but instead of an upper-mid spike like V30's, they have more of a middle-mid emphasis. Then, using the Density control on the Vengeance, you can dial in a little bit more Lower-Mid Growl and Bass. (I'm with you on digging that kind of tone, btw ) I personally want a cab with V30's and K-100's in an X to achieve that specific tone, but judging from my past experiences with V30's, those might get sold and swapped for Retro 30's.

Also, with the other two amps you use, Veteran 30's might be better for you. Basically, Vet30's are darker and Ret30's are brighter. The Ret30's are probably closer to the V30, but they still don't sound nearly as harsh.
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#13
Eminence V12 Legends are what you want.

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#14
good call

only concern being they only seem to be easily available in 8 ohms impedance, and his existing speakers might not be 8 ohms.
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good call

only concern being they only seem to be easily available in 8 ohms impedance, and his existing speakers might not be 8 ohms.



splawns are 8 ohm mono cabs XD

yeah i did a bit of research and im thinkin it may possibly be the small blocks im not diggin

and yes blktiger I dig that low mid/bass. the stuff you feel in your chest,

seems witch ever i decide to replace I will be goin that vet30 or the k100s

ill mic each speaker and figure out where my high end is so harsh and yank those. and let yall know from there witch it is ill be needing to replace so we can figure whats a good combo.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
good call

only concern being they only seem to be easily available in 8 ohms impedance, and his existing speakers might not be 8 ohms.

You can get the 16 ohm version from Krank for $69+$8.99 S&H.
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^ i didn't realise that, thanks for the info

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(a) splawns are 8 ohm mono cabs XD

(b) yeah i did a bit of research and im thinkin it may possibly be the small blocks im not diggin

(c) and yes blktiger I dig that low mid/bass. the stuff you feel in your chest,

seems witch ever i decide to replace I will be goin that vet30 or the k100s

ill mic each speaker and figure out where my high end is so harsh and yank those. and let yall know from there witch it is ill be needing to replace so we can figure whats a good combo.


(a) if it's wired series/parallel (probably is, but check to be sure) that'd mean the speakers are 8 ohms each


(b) yeah- definitely do the micing thing you mentioned at the bottom of your post to be sure. also make sure your speakers are broken in before you make your decision, you could be spending money for nothing

(c) if you want lows mids and bass i wouldn't go for something based on a v30... i haven't tried the vet30 but the v30 is all upper mids.
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^^ Yeah I have found some unique items in the strangest places. Ib the USA you can get V30s cheaper from Mesa direct than you can in a store ($129 and they are $149 typically)
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and aren't the mesa ones made in the UK, too? I think they're (maybe) a slightly different spec and tone, so I suppose if you want "regular" v30s then the celestion way is probably the way to go... but certainly on principle those mesa ones sound like much better value
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When I suggested the WGS clones, I mentioned that he can use the Density control on his Vengeance to dial in that lower-mid growl. It doesn't take much, and I went with the brighter of the two (the Ret30) It's mid spike is more in the middle of the mids. That also went along with suggesting that he use them in an X with K-100's
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^ ah right. i haven't tried any of his amps i was just talking about the speakers
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and aren't the mesa ones made in the UK, too? I think they're (maybe) a slightly different spec and tone, so I suppose if you want "regular" v30s then the celestion way is probably the way to go... but certainly on principle those mesa ones sound like much better value

Yeah evidently they are the original V30 design which has been changed by Celestion and only mesa gets the originals And they are cheaper so go figure
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yeah
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^ha ha..

ok gents. mic'd and listen to each clip over and over and over again..

i actually very much dig each speaker by themselves.. but when i hear them both they sound like ass... im assuming this is why the guy sold me the cab for so cheap in the first place.

so now.. its just randomly pick a set of speakers and replace them.. or pick one or the other and go full loaded..

I will say I leaned towards the small block alot more than the texas heat. so Im "pretty" sure thats the one ill be keeping

edit: whats a good reccomendation to pair up with my small blocks
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#26
Small Blocks rock. Don't you dare get rid of those.


Edit - I see.

Not sure what to pair with outside of more Small Blocks

Have looked up some of these suggestions on the Splawn forum? There is a lot of talk there. I would go high wattage personally with good low end
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the Splawn Big blocks are awesome and the new Celestion Creambacks are geting great reviews
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^ha ha..

ok gents. mic'd and listen to each clip over and over and over again..

i actually very much dig each speaker by themselves.. but when i hear them both they sound like ass... im assuming this is why the guy sold me the cab for so cheap in the first place.

so now.. its just randomly pick a set of speakers and replace them.. or pick one or the other and go full loaded..

I will say I leaned towards the small block alot more than the texas heat. so Im "pretty" sure thats the one ill be keeping

edit: whats a good reccomendation to pair up with my small blocks


yeah that can easily happen. just because you like two speakers alone doesn't mean you'll like them paired.

if you like the small blocks (they're splawn's greenback-style speakers, right?) i'm guessing two large blocks (they're splawn's g12h30s, right?) would pair well. That's based on celestions, though, i haven't tried the splawn-branded speakers (which are made by eminence, i think).
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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#29
well. I was thinking full loaded small blocks..

but at this point what would be wrong with going two V30s in place of the TH's?

I always the loved the sound of orange cabs for ruthless metal. How would v30s the style orange uses go with the smalls blocks?
good mix? yay nay?
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Personally, I hate V30s mixed with Greenback speakers. Just a lot of fizz and graininess. V30s really only go good with K-100s or T-75s, IMO. I'd probably try Splawn's Big Blocks, Creambacks or Scumbacks.
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oh yeah all small blocks would work too

i prefer a greenback/g12h30 mix over either speaker alone (but that's with celestions or taydens, as i said, i haven't tried splawn speakers)

^ agreed, greenbacks and v30s only really work in very specific circumstances, if you ask me.

v30 and g12h30 can work well (though it really cuts down on the v30's power handling so it only really makes sense in a 4x12, unless you're using a 50 watt-or-less head), as can the v30 and classic lead.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?