#1
Alright, I'm stuck here. I'm looking for a new amp setup.I'm looking for an amp do play mostly metal. I like to play stuff like Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot, Rise Against; etc (Keep your opinions to yourself please, this isn't about whether or not a band is bad or not). I currently play through A Fender Superchamp XD, with a Boss GE-7 and Metal Muff Distortion pedal (Yes, I know Fenders aren't known for their metal sound). I'm looking for something with a little warmer mid range, and can handle distortion well. This is what I've narrowed it down to:

Marshall Haze 15

Orange Dark Terror

Mesa Boogie Mini Rectifier

Egnater Rebel 20

I would have to buy a cab too, and I was thinking about going with an Orange PPC112 60 Watt 1x12 closed back cab, since it has a V30, and those seem to be all the rage amongst everyone.

Thanks!
#2
Dark terror might be the best thing. Good growly midrange. Afaik they handle pedals pretty well.

Don't touch the haze. They are pretty horrible.

A lot of people say good things about the rebel but I don't know much about it.

I have never really liked the rectifier tone so I won't be helpful with that.
My Rig:
Maverick F-1, Ibanez RG1527, Schecter Omen 8
Marshall JVM 410H,
Hand built 4x12 w/ V30s
Current board:
PXL LIVE
TU2
WHAMMY IV
MXR M132
MXR M101
TIMMY
NS2
MXR M108
XOTIC EP
TC DREAMSCAPE
DL8
#3
I'm close to buying a Dark Terror.

If you're considering the Mini Rectifier, also consider the 5150 III 50W. It's $999. Same as the Mini Rectifier, I believe.
Ibanez RG652KFX Prestige
ESP E-II M-1
LTD AW-7
EVH 5150 III 50
PRS 212 DB
#5
Quote by lemurflames
I'm close to buying a Dark Terror.

If you're considering the Mini Rectifier, also consider the 5150 III 50W. It's $999. Same as the Mini Rectifier, I believe.


I looked at that, I just felt 50W might be too loud for basement playing.
#6
Yea, I've heard it's a monster... >.<

There's this...



Has a 15W input and a <1W input. I heard it will be somewhere around $500 - $600, but I haven't seen a solid price, yet.
Ibanez RG652KFX Prestige
ESP E-II M-1
LTD AW-7
EVH 5150 III 50
PRS 212 DB
#7
V3m would be a good idea. Great amp. Gonna go try one tomorrow.

As for the 5153, I'm just looking into them ATM. If you can stretch to it it would be a good choice. If I can find one I'm gonna have a play.
My Rig:
Maverick F-1, Ibanez RG1527, Schecter Omen 8
Marshall JVM 410H,
Hand built 4x12 w/ V30s
Current board:
PXL LIVE
TU2
WHAMMY IV
MXR M132
MXR M101
TIMMY
NS2
MXR M108
XOTIC EP
TC DREAMSCAPE
DL8
#8
Quote by Brandon2121
I looked at that, I just felt 50W might be too loud for basement playing.


The volume difference between 15-25W and 50W is negligible. The volume knob is there for a reason.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#9
Quote by mmolteratx
The volume difference between 15-25W and 50W is negligible. The volume knob is there for a reason.

I just thought it would sound bad because I wouldn't be able to crank it.
#10
Quote by Brandon2121
I just thought it would sound bad because I wouldn't be able to crank it.

Common misconception. It really depends on what kind of tones you are going for. Classic creamy vintagey tones really benefit from cranked power tubes. But metal benefits from preamp gain.
Ibanez RG652KFX Prestige
ESP E-II M-1
LTD AW-7
EVH 5150 III 50
PRS 212 DB
#11
Quote by lemurflames
Common misconception. It really depends on what kind of tones you are going for. Classic creamy vintagey tones really benefit from cranked power tubes. But metal benefits from preamp gain.

So if I turn the gain up with the volume still somewhat low, I can still get a good tone out of it?
#14
Exactly. There are a ton of large amps that sound great at low volumes. My smallest amp is 50w, and TBH, my 80 and 100w amps sound much better at low volumes. The myth got started with old amps that 1) needed to be cranked to generate any distortion and 2) had such poor quality hardware and circuit design that you needed the benefit of high volumes to hide the poor bass.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#15
Okay, so it looks like I'm looking more at the Dark Terror and the EVH 5150 mini. Would that Orange cab sound good with either of these?
#16
The Orange cab would be killer for both.
Ibanez RG652KFX Prestige
ESP E-II M-1
LTD AW-7
EVH 5150 III 50
PRS 212 DB
#17
get rid of the first and last.

add a carvin v3m with a tube change and now you have a list.

personally, out of what you have there, mesa. for me hands down. but the dark terror will do what you want as well. not as versatile.

you do not want the egnater. great amp, but not for hi gain of any form.

i think the hazes are fairly MEH. i choose not to plug in.
Carvin CT624
Walden G630ce Acoustic
Carvin V3M, Avatar 2x12 WGS Reaper, vet 30
(crybaby, Fairfield circuitry Comp, GFS tuner, Vick Audio 73 Ram's Head, Xotic AC booster, lovepedal trem, TC Flashback, PGS Trinity Reverb, Walrus Audio Aetos power)
Last edited by ikey_ at Jan 28, 2013,
#18
I have a Rebel 30, and its a great amp. Great tonez. Make sure sure you try one before you decide.
Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster
Epiphone Sheraton II, Seymour Duncan Jazz and '59.
ESP Horizon NT II
Epiphone Les Paul Custom
Mesa 5:50 Express
Egnator Rebel 30
Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 18
#19
Quote by ikey_
get rid of the first and last.

add a carvin v3m with a tube change and now you have a list.

personally, out of what you have there, mesa. for me hands down. but the dark terror will do what you want as well. not as versatile.

you do not want the egnater. great amp, but not for hi gain of any form.

i think the hazes are fairly MEH. i choose not to plug in.

What kind of tubes would you recommend putting in?
#20
the mini rec is overpriced at $1000, I suggest you take that off your list. for that you could get a 5153 mini.
the haze combo was right up there with the worst amps ive ever played.
#21
Quote by ikey_
you do not want the egnater. great amp, but not for hi gain of any form.

egnater is allegedly close to releasing the HG (high gain) series for some of their amps. They were just shown at NAMM, not sure why there is zero media for them.
#22
oh right. is that the amp in question? that might be different.

as a tweaker owner and having spent a ton of time demoing the rebel series, they are clearly not hi gain amps
Carvin CT624
Walden G630ce Acoustic
Carvin V3M, Avatar 2x12 WGS Reaper, vet 30
(crybaby, Fairfield circuitry Comp, GFS tuner, Vick Audio 73 Ram's Head, Xotic AC booster, lovepedal trem, TC Flashback, PGS Trinity Reverb, Walrus Audio Aetos power)
#24
Nothing. Same amp. They're referring to the 5150 III when they say 5153. They lazy.
Ibanez RG652KFX Prestige
ESP E-II M-1
LTD AW-7
EVH 5150 III 50
PRS 212 DB
#25
I think I might be leaning towards the Carvin or Orange because they seem to be easier to get a hold of.