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Is this a bad idea? I'm gonna buy a Line6 Pod Studio GX for recording bass/guitar but I also have an electric drumset (Roland TD3). I know the drums have midi output but the Line6 doesn't have a midi input port. Would using the 1/4" output from the drum module into the Line6's guitar port sound like crap? If I had more money I'd get an interface with a midi port for the sake of it but I don't know if I'll ever even use it tbh
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Don't buy a Pod Studio. If you want something that will do just DI guitar then get one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Guitar-to-USB-Interface-Link-Cable-PC-MAC-Record-cd-US-/140876795898?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item20cce94ffa
The quality difference will be negligible and the link is way way cheaper. I don't know how well they work but you can get similar things for MIDI to USB. Otherwise bite the bullet and get a proper interface with MIDI in/out and good inputs.
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I don't know how well they work but you can get similar things for MIDI to USB.


From that same company, pretty badly. I bought one because I wanted a cheap solution, spent $8 on it and it worked for about 30 seconds at a time then it would freeze whatever note you last played and you couldn't use it anymore without unplugging it and plugging it back it.

I know its a bit more money but the M-Audio one works great. Sure, its about $40 at GC but it works pretty well.
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I appreciate the suggestion and you wanting to save me some money (really appreciate the saving money part, hard to come by for me!) but I am very wary of buying something like that ( even though I know looks and price can be deceiving). The reason I was looking at the Pod Studio is because it is the updated version of the Toneport, which is recommended in the recording interface thread here. I see the link you posted is under the 'Super Budget' heading and is for basic rough recording but I have a bit more money to spend and would like something slightly better quality. I realise paying 4x as much wont give me 4x the quality but that link seems too basic for me. The Pod Farm software has pretty good ratings across the board so that is factored into the cost also, and the fact that the quality level is between 'amateur EP' and 'best quality possible' is perfect for what I will use it for. The next recommended interface is out of my budget sadly and I wont have much disposable income for a couple months at least, and I want an interface asap. Unless I had proof from somewhere (not implying you should provide proof) that they are equal in quality I would avoid the cheaper choice. I've learned the hard way in the past that opting for the cheaper option because its close enough will usually not pay off.

As for the M-Audio Ive read countless times on this forum to stay away from that as the sound is audibly muddy when compared to other interfaces.

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I bought a generic MIDI to USB cable for £3 of eBay and it works flawlessly!


Sounds like a good idea if I ever decided to record, considering MIDI is just bits instead of complex electric signals. As long as the signal gets there I guess there's no quality to possibly lose. Sadly this is the downfall of e-drums, absolutely no room for dynamic playing. Sure there's differences in volume depending on how hard you hit but its all just samples at the end of the day
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As for the M-Audio Ive read countless times on this forum to stay away from that as the sound is audibly muddy when compared to other interfaces.


/facepalm

I was talking about the MIDI cable, not an interface. MIDI doesn't effect sound
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I appreciate the suggestion and you wanting to save me some money (really appreciate the saving money part, hard to come by for me!) but I am very wary of buying something like that ( even though I know looks and price can be deceiving). The reason I was looking at the Pod Studio is because it is the updated version of the Toneport, which is recommended in the recording interface thread here. I see the link you posted is under the 'Super Budget' heading and is for basic rough recording but I have a bit more money to spend and would like something slightly better quality. I realise paying 4x as much wont give me 4x the quality but that link seems too basic for me. The Pod Farm software has pretty good ratings across the board so that is factored into the cost also, and the fact that the quality level is between 'amateur EP' and 'best quality possible' is perfect for what I will use it for. The next recommended interface is out of my budget sadly and I wont have much disposable income for a couple months at least, and I want an interface asap. Unless I had proof from somewhere (not implying you should provide proof) that they are equal in quality I would avoid the cheaper choice. I've learned the hard way in the past that opting for the cheaper option because its close enough will usually not pay off.

alright then. I've tried both and I couldn't tell the difference (and that was a blind test too, totally fair). And Pod Farm is kinda meh, especially compared to the free stuff out there. But I understand if you want to go for something from a reputable company, and I don't have a clue what happened to my blind test so I can't prove it.

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As for the M-Audio Ive read countless times on this forum to stay away from that as the sound is audibly muddy when compared to other interfaces.


Sounds like a good idea if I ever decided to record, considering MIDI is just bits instead of complex electric signals. As long as the signal gets there I guess there's no quality to possibly lose. Sadly this is the downfall of e-drums, absolutely no room for dynamic playing. Sure there's differences in volume depending on how hard you hit but its all just samples at the end of the day

MIDI is MIDI no matter where it comes from so your M-Audio statement is irrelevant. And if it changes the volume then it's probably a velocity sensitive kit, which means that if you record it that way and use MIDI drums then they'll use different samples based on how hard you hit it, which gives pretty good dynamics.
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my 2 cents

Get the Line6 Pod Studio GX because of amp farm 2 is good,. NO,. A GREAT VALUE TOOL ! there are free plugins that sound good sure for some poeple ,.? but you get Amp farm with the interface ?? why say NO ?? it's a no brainer,. sure check the free plugins but why NOT get Line6 Pod Studio GX & Amp farm ? ( it seems haters got to hate )

Midi get a midisport M-Audio they come with as many ports as you need- 1, 2 or 4 & cheap enough too. ( Midi works or it doesn't, there is no "quality" issues, I have 2 midi-sports both have worked prefectly of many years )

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but I used SD both good check the google to see what you prefer. skip the cheap Drum sample options good drum sound does cost alittle extra.
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Sadly this is the downfall of e-drums, absolutely no room for dynamic playing. Sure there's differences in volume depending on how hard you hit but its all just samples at the end of the day


Wh...wh.....what?


You need to go and listen to some of the really good drum software out there if you don't think MIDI drums can do dynamics.
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my 2 cents

Get the Line6 Pod Studio GX because of amp farm 2 is good,. NO,. A GREAT VALUE TOOL ! there are free plugins that sound good sure for some poeple ,.? but you get Amp farm with the interface ?? why say NO ?? it's a no brainer,. sure check the free plugins but why NOT get Line6 Pod Studio GX & Amp farm ? ( it seems haters got to hate )

Not trying to start an argument, but you don't "get" pod farm for nothing. The Pod Studio is priced higher to account for Pod Farm being included, so you're actually paying a fair amount more for the interface than it's worth because you're getting pod farm which is comparable to the free stuff anyway. And the free sims are "actually free" because they're not included with anything that is costing you money.

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Wh...wh.....what?


You need to go and listen to some of the really good drum software out there if you don't think MIDI drums can do dynamics.

I think he's talking about his electric kit rather than drum VSTi software.
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my 2 cents

Get the Line6 Pod Studio GX because of amp farm 2 is good,. NO,. A GREAT VALUE TOOL ! there are free plugins that sound good sure for some poeple ,.? but you get Amp farm with the interface ?? why say NO ?? it's a no brainer,. sure check the free plugins but why NOT get Line6 Pod Studio GX & Amp farm ? ( it seems haters got to hate )


Pay more for bad pre-amps and a fizzy as hell amp sims?

WHY NOT!? SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA!
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Not trying to start an argument, but you don't "get" pod farm for nothing. The Pod Studio is priced higher to account for Pod Farm being included, so you're actually paying a fair amount more for the interface than it's worth because you're getting pod farm which is comparable to the free stuff anyway. And the free sims are "actually free" because they're not included with anything that is costing you money.


I think he's talking about his electric kit rather than drum VSTi software.



how cheap are you thinking of paying for a USB guitar interface ?
I was think around $50 - $75 any cheaper and I think your going to get some China made peice of .... pod is right in that $50 to 75 range if you shop around.


as for edrums if you need midi input, i would assume you would driving drum samples or a drum VST..if you are recording the straight edrums kit you would be using stereo audio to record ?

if not my mistake..
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Pay more for bad pre-amps and a fizzy as hell amp sims?

WHY NOT!? SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA!


Piss Off saying Amp farm has BAD sounds is just C##p !!

You may think something is better sure tone is a personal thing,. But all of Amp farms tones are "BAD" .. that's just dumb..
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The tones aren't bad, but that isn't the issue. As a user of podfarm for about a year before I gave up on it, I found all the tones have that horrible upper register fizz that is a bitch to eq out without ruining the top end of the good part of the tone, making it next to unusable.

So my point still stands, why would you pay extra for an interface with bad pres and with a bad amp sim, when you could get good pre's and use other sims instead?
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how cheap are you thinking of paying for a USB guitar interface ?
I was think around $50 - $75 any cheaper and I think your going to get some China made peice of .... pod is right in that $50 to 75 range if you shop around.


as for edrums if you need midi input, i would assume you would driving drum samples or a drum VST..if you are recording the straight edrums kit you would be using stereo audio to record ?

if not my mistake..

Yes but the Pod itself is probably worth ~$40, not much better than the Behringer Guitar Link (which is the same as the thing I linked to but mine has no branding). The rest of what you pay for is Pod Farm, which as I said is comparable to the free stuff.

And yes the TS would have to drive a drum VSTi if he uses the MIDI out. But I don't know whether he knew that unlike his electronic kit, the VSTi drums should have different samples for different velocities rather than just changing the volume.

Finally, don't mind ChemicalFire. He can be a bit of a dick about expressing his opinion at times.
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Finally, don't mind ChemicalFire. He can be a bit of a dick about expressing his opinion at times.


Though its his opinion, it lines up a lot with what users have been saying about Pod Farm and the Pod Studio line. He's had the GX and used it and PF with another interface. Hell, I jumped on Pod Farm shortly after it came out and paid $300 for Platinum on Version 1. As nice as it has been for the 4 years I've had it, there are much better options than it, a lot of which are free or much cheaper.
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Though its his opinion, it lines up a lot with what users have been saying about Pod Farm and the Pod Studio line. He's had the GX and used it and PF with another interface. Hell, I jumped on Pod Farm shortly after it came out and paid $300 for Platinum on Version 1. As nice as it has been for the 4 years I've had it, there are much better options than it, a lot of which are free or much cheaper.

Yeah, but he didn't have to be a dick about it (infact I believe that's your job on this forum).
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Actually it's the UX1 I own but I doubt that the pre's are anything different. The difference is night and day between it and my Saffire 6. The UX1 is SO muddy, unbelievably so. And yeah, PodFarm is FINE. It does it's job, but it doesn't do it well.

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Yeah, but he didn't have to be a dick about it (infact I believe that's your job on this forum).


I've been having a bad day. But my original response was meant to be more humorous than dickish.

It's a logical point too. WHY pay more for a bad interface and amp sim when you can pay around the same and get better stuff. Makes no sense.
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Actually it's the UX1 I own but I doubt that the pre's are anything different. The difference is night and day between it and my Saffire 6. The UX1 is SO muddy, unbelievably so. And yeah, PodFarm is FINE. It does it's job, but it doesn't do it well.


I've been having a bad day. But my original response was meant to be more humorous than dickish.

It's a logical point too. WHY pay more for a bad interface and amp sim when you can pay around the same and get better stuff. Makes no sense.


I'd agree with this, I actually own a UX2, and I have Pod Farm, I even bought the Metal Shop pack for it, however, after finding Pod Farm unusable, I now only use Poulin plugins and I'm now after a better interface. It definitely does its job, however you can do so much better, I'd recommend saving a big and getting an interface that actually has a MIDI input. It'd cost more, but it'd be worth it, I've heard bands pulling out amazing quality with Superior Drummer and a set of Electronic Drums, so I think that'll be a much better option. Unless, however, you really like your drum sound and absolutely must have that sound when you record, however, I'd still recommend paying a bit more. In recording, you get what you pay for.
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Yeah, but he didn't have to be a dick about it (infact I believe that's your job on this forum).


Yeah, it is.

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If I wasn't so busy installing everything onto my new computer, I would. Consider yourself lucky :p
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Thanks for all the responses. I havent read the thread since yesterday so I have one or two things to say in reply

ChemicalFire I find it odd that you are saying the Line6 isn't worth it, considering its the recommendation at my price point in the thread you yourself wrote. Judging from what everyone is saying, would it be a better option to buy another interface with better quality hardware and use some free software equivalent to Pod Farm? If so, any recommendations? I'd rather have better quality in the same price range rather than buy a cheaper one and save money

Concerning the M-Audio, lockwolf I didnt realise you meant an M-Audio MIDI to USB adapter :P for some reason I assumed you were talking about the M Audio Fast Track as it is another interface I had researched and been told to stay away from. Are the bad things said about it purely because it is possible to get better interfaces for a bit more money? Like I said in the OP I have a very limited budget, so I want to get the best possible interface for around the cost of the Pod Studio

I guess the original point of this thread has been solved as I didn't realise MIDI to USB inputs were so cheap. In 1st year in college I did a bit of how midi actually works in binary so I understand there is no quality difference, once it gets to the computer thats it the sound is played (specialised in games development in later years and it was only an introductory MIDI module so i hope im correct in saying that). Still I'd like to hear what anyone has to say about possible alternatives to my chosen interface
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ChemicalFire I find it odd that you are saying the Line6 isn't worth it, considering its the recommendation at my price point in the thread you yourself wrote. Judging from what everyone is saying, would it be a better option to buy another interface with better quality hardware and use some free software equivalent to Pod Farm? If so, any recommendations? I'd rather have better quality in the same price range rather than buy a cheaper one and save money


It's only there because there was quite a large budget hole that needed filling. Sadly we're yet to find an interface that isn't cheap and nasty but isn't too close to the Focusrite stuff to go in the Line6's place.

My recommendation will always be go for the Saffire if you can afford it. In fact I'm pretty sure I wrote something a long those lines on the Saffire's description.
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It's only there because there was quite a large budget hole that needed filling. Sadly we're yet to find an interface that isn't cheap and nasty but isn't too close to the Focusrite stuff to go in the Line6's place.



so your opinion is total hater negative crap then ? you admit that there is no alternative in THAT price range ? AND you get pod farm for free ??? and you can then use the free options knowing at least you have "the best you can afford" input into those free amp sim's. ?

unless you have a alternative to the $15 China USB c##p or paying for a Saffire ,. it's clear the UX2 is the only opinion "in that price range".

as for Pod farm being bad,. I remember 20 years ago I though the RAT distortion pedal was crap when i got the DOD Grunge pedal ( my band mate at the time agreed and he dumped his Boss DS-1 ) now adays the rat & the Ds1 are Back in fashion even i find the tones useible.

there is no right or wrong there's just tone.

This BS about people thinking there opinion on "Guitar tone" means anything to anyone else is total arrogance and stupidity..

guitar tone is part of the art form we know as "Music" it's like saying picasso had a Shit Yellow. or Steven Spielberg doesn't know any good actors.. total arrogance.. and stupidity since your here on a internet forum and not receiving a grammy award for,.. well anything.

I'm sure we have all heard a records with guitar tone you just go but it's there music not yours..

HEY take this post with a smile guys I'm not really angry but posting an opinion is a sharp way it's all cool Beers if we meet
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there is no right or wrong there's just tone.


While I agree there, have you ever tried any of the Pod Studio interfaces? They're fizzy as hell. Fizzy to the point where you can't remove it & have to work around it. Clean tones, no matter what you do, sound fizzy and even the most distorted hi-gain amps sound thin. That goes for Pod Farm as well. There are many better alternatives to Pod Farm, just not many to the Pod Studio GX.

The only real benefit of Pod Studio & Pod Farm is that its great for people who just want to record guitar for youtube covers or for personal practice. If you want something more useable in a studio environment, a Scarlett 2i4 & some free amp sims are a much better option.
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While I agree there, have you ever tried any of the Pod Studio interfaces?


Honestly No,. but I have a brother who has uses it and his recording seem clean enough.


I do disagree with any negative commment about pod farm's tone ,. specially when you try to state your feeling as "Fact" instead of just personally preference..

I have most of the amp sim out there except TH2. and all have there ( from my point of view ) positive and negative sims (but I have a Real Marshall JCM 900 and the Pod farm is right on ! so i know it's near the mark as a Amp sim )

BUT when I record other guitarists I'm shock most times what tone they choose, out of the collection of amp sims I have ,. For example I'm not a fan of GTR's metal tones But last week (After the guy did find VST tones were better then the micing his amp in my space) after afew hours of playing he got his prefered metal tone from GTR ?? )

Well is was a pretty good tone in the end, who am I to judge ? I'm just recording what the artist wants. and My attuide towards GTR has changed since.

By the way Micing your amp is the best but it's hard to have the resources to do it right, a Solid room where you can let the amp bring it's best tone, good Mic's, Mic placement etc, I just find amp sim's give far more joy for the space and resources I have..
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I do disagree with any negative commment about pod farm's tone ,. specially when you try to state your feeling as "Fact"


But it's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of most of us here and on various boards. There is a point when there are so many opinions saying one thing that it becomes fact. Compared to a Saffire, the GX is muddy, kinda a hard thing to say its an opinion when most people say that. Same with Pod Farm. Compared to LePous and such, it's fizzy & thin and a lot of people are saying that.
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I'd agree with everything you've said T4D if it wasn't for the technical limitations of the PodFarm software ie. The Top end not being properly treated by the amp sim.

Tone is entirely personal choice, but bad processing is still bad processing. I've heard you can get better results with an external cab IR but I've not tried it. I've got far better results with an X50 and some Catharsis IR's that I ever did with PodFarm. The fact that I have far sweeter sounding pre's now probably helps a lot too.
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It was certainly interesting reading through these posts
"it's like saying picasso had a Shit Yellow." Haha that made me laugh

I think at this stage I will end up getting the Pod. I know there are better ones out there but not that I can afford or justify buying right now, and I can accept that. The only real reason I seem to get from anyone not to get the Pod is because it sounds bad COMPARED TO the Saffire, but as I said I cant afford that.

The only real benefit of Pod Studio & Pod Farm is that its great for people who just want to record guitar for youtube covers or for personal practice.


This is exactly what I am buying it for - recording my own music, both as a practice exercise and to get some experience with recording. Think of the Pod as me buying my first car - I'm not gonna hold off on buying one within my price range just because a faster, more expensive car exists (i suck at analogies). I dont have any particularly good music equipment to begin with so its not like I'll be losing an awesome tone by sending it through the interface either

Lockwolf you've slated Pod Farm a few times now by saying there are alternatives that are much better but you wont give any examples... Could you drop a few names for me to check out?

And thank you all for the hearty discussion
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Lockwolf you've slated Pod Farm a few times now by saying there are alternatives that are much better but you wont give any examples... Could you drop a few names for me to check out?


Start here with out Amp Sim Sticky. LePou's stuff get rave reviews around here. I'd also suggest trying out the demo for AcmeBarGig's Headcase but there is some ******ed drama going on between the creator & one of the main sites that hosts custom heads made for it which really limits its uses. Personally, I've been using Brainworx Audio's RockRack but its got a hefty $250 price tag & doesn't offer as many heads as other sims.
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