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Hi guys.

Currently have a Ibanez xiphos with some bare knuckle miracle men in them running through a engl fireball.

now I am finding that I'm not cutting through the mix (i know that fireballs are low mids). My plan is to try out some cheaper pups to see if this would help me out and would like to know about iron gear pups and also warman pups if anyone has used these.

any reviews or recommend pups to try would be great.

thanks
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I use IG pups, and have nothing but good words!

I use the Hot Slag/Rolling Mill set in my Les Paul. PHENOMINAL sound
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I havent used one personally, but I've read a lot about them till my eyes bleed and the word has always been good. Seriously consider buying Steamhammers for my Cort.

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what are your EQ settings on your amp?
where is your presence set?
what type of cab/speaker are you using?
what type of music?
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what are your EQ settings on your amp?
where is your presence set?
what type of cab/speaker are you using?
what type of music?


Gain, treble, mids and bass at 1 o clock ish. Presence is the same.

cab is the engl cab with v60's

we play metal, thrash and metalcore style.
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i'd be inclined to try different speakers (probably handier to just get a different cab) before pickups. granted the MM is a little scooped.
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Well I did think that. i could try a different one, but what would be best speakers to use?
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Standard V30's are pretty bright sounding and they cut really well. Your V60's are a type of V30ish speaker., they have a little more low-mids than the typical V30 which is known as having a pronounced mid-high spike.

Also try putting more mids in your eq and if it gets a little harsh, dial your presence back some to get rid of the harshness.

Mids are what cut through the mix.
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v30s have a ton of mids and engl uses them in their dearer cabs. engls tend to work well with them, too. that'd probably be the first port of call, i imagine. as i said, though, it's likely to be cheaper to just pick up a cab that already has v30s in them than to faff about buying and swapping speakers.

i'd need to see what the v60 is based on, though. from a cursory look online they look like a poor man's v30, but EDIT ninja'd
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Don't think they are a poor man's v30's mate.

I think what another issue is that the amp has pretty low mids anyway and the pups I use are mid scooped. That's the only reason I wanted some cheap pups as I can swap and change them to another guitar if I have other issues.

I will try turning the mids up to 3 and see if that works.
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I think you're going about this completely wrong.

First off, going from BKP's to Irongear just seems blasphemous to begin with, but I suppose depending on the situation, that could be a solution.

However, if youre amp lacks mids, pickups aren't going to fix that. ENGL's are kinda notorious for having issues cutting, IIRC, and a pickup swap isn't likely to do much more than just upping your mid knob in that situation.

If I were you, I would dial the bass back a little bit more, somewhere around noon, up your mids to anywhere from 3 to 5, and, like Rob said, cut back the Presence if it gets too harsh. If you still aren't cutting, don't be afraid to max the mids, if it'll fix it.

If that doesn't work, I would grab an MXR 10-Band EQ and throw it in the loop to mold your mids and make up for what the amp isn't providing. You might have to play around with it a good deal, but that SHOULD solve the problem.

Then, I would look into a different cab/speakers. WGS makes two different V30 clones, one of which should work for your situation. The Veteran 30 is darker, so get that if your amp is bright, and the Retro 30 is brighter, so get that if you have a darker sounding amp. With the Powerball, I would say that the Vet30 would be the way to go, but it's really up to you. I have the Ret30's in my 2x12, and they sound great. They have a hump more in the middle-mids, which might suit your needs, but they are brighter than the Vet30. Not as bright as a V30, though. You might even be better off mixing a few different speakers to really broaden the response of your cab.

If you would rather just get V30's and be done with it, I would just snag a used cab that's loaded with them.

The Miracle Man doesn't really sound as scooped as you might think. It sounds to me like it's strength is just in the lower-mids, rather than upper-mids or middle-mids, which can lend itself to a somewhat scooped sound. If that's really not what you want, though, then you can always try a pickup swap, but I think there are better options to try first that are more likely to yeild better results.

Worst case scenario, though, you might do ALL of that, and it still won't cut. Depending on what the rest of the band is set to and what gear they're using, your amp just might not work. Sometimes you have those situations where certain amps just don't work well in certain scenarios, so it might come down to having to get a different amp.
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Well my other guitarist is using the bugera (the one before the infiti version) and its a lot louder, however its very noisey and to ke sounds like a lot of chrous is on it.

I guess I had better try a different cab, and if that works I could sell the speakers in mine and get a mix of other speakers.

I was looking at the eq pedal but not sure if I should go for a good one or a cheap one to start with and if it fixes the issue I can buy a better one. I have found some biyans(sp) on eBay. Would these be worth it?
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Honestly, with the EQ, I would just grab the MXR 10-Band and be done with it. It's an extremely useful pedal, and if you buy it used, then it doesn't work, you could easily sell it for what you bought it for without issue.

Really, though, it's an extremely useful pedal. You can use them as a boost, use them in front of your amp to sculpt the sound, use them in the loop to sculpt the sound, I mean, there are seriously tons of applications beyond what you're wanting.
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Ok in that case i will try one of those and see if that helps. I will be trying to lower my bass a tad and up the mids and see what that sounds like, and if its still not going through i might have to sell it and get a peavey 3120 if i can afford it
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Quote by avenge the rage
Ok in that case i will try one of those and see if that helps. I will be trying to lower my bass a tad and up the mids and see what that sounds like, and if its still not going through i might have to sell it and get a peavey 3120 if i can afford it

The peavey XXX/3120 amps are pretty bright and they deff cut if you have them EQ'd properly. But I found them severly lacking in low-end, so that is something to consider aswell

Are you using a boost of any kind like an Ibanez TS-9/Digitech BadMonkey at all?
They work well to help you cut through the mix by adding mids.
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I have a TS-808 to try cut through. The thing is i love the sound of my amp, but it struggles to cut through. It have plenty of low end too, but if the peavey doesnt then that could be a issue too.

It could be a case of my amp not working with a bugera i guess
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I have a TS-808 to try cut through. The thing is i love the sound of my amp, but it struggles to cut through. It have plenty of low end too, but if the peavey doesnt then that could be a issue too.

It could be a case of my amp not working with a bugera i guess

Yeah the Peavey XXX/3120 has less low-end than My marshall JCM2000 DSL100

like was suggested try upping the mids some and see where your at.

Is yours the FB60 or 100? The 60 is the one I have heard more of about not cutting-thru.
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yep its the 60. I believe on the 100 they made the mids better on it so it could cut through.

I have practise on wednesday so will try that then. If that doesnt work i will try the eq and if that doesnt work i guess i will try a new cab
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just to clarify- when i say to try a new cab/different speakers i don't necessarily mean to run out and buy something, you could take your amp to a shop or something like that and try it with some different cabs. just in case it doesn't work.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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Yes mate. I am going to try a different one where I practice as it wouldn't cost much, and if it works I will try get one, but not sure how much I could get for either my amp and cab and how much I could put into getting a new amp.
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Will do mate. I will do this on Wednesday and let you know. To be fair I do agree a eq would be a good thing, but wondering if I should get the danelectro one to try out
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the Danelectro is actually diecent especially for the price. Joyo makes a 6 band that is based on the MXR 6 band and it is pretty cheap also.

I would get a diecent EQ, because it will always help out your tone reguardless of what amps you are playing (it alows for more tonal options)
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Cool. Well I will save up for the 10 band eq pedal, but do I go for the normal or Kerry king version
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Cool. Well I will save up for the 10 band eq pedal, but do I go for the normal or Kerry king version

From what I understand the KFK is more scooped than the normal MXR10 band, but I have never tried either
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Quote by avenge the rage
Yes mate. I am going to try a different one where I practice as it wouldn't cost much, and if it works I will try get one, but not sure how much I could get for either my amp and cab and how much I could put into getting a new amp.


sounds like a good plan Good luck
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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I'm almost positive that the only two differences between the KK EQ and regular 10-band is that the KK has the tribal graphic and is capable of Stereo output.

Either way, I wouldn't bother with the KK, I would just get the regular old 10-band
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Cheers mate il do that. If there is little to no difference il get the cheaper one ha ha
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I'm almost positive that the only two differences between the KK EQ and regular 10-band is that the KK has the tribal graphic and is capable of Stereo output.

Either way, I wouldn't bother with the KK, I would just get the regular old 10-band

No it actually is diffrent. The eq curve is diffrent if you set the controls all to noon. I think it was an older gearmandude video where they showd the diffrence. It is not a huge diffrence , but the KFK deff had a more scooped sound.

Like I said I have never personally used either one, so it may be more or less noticeable live.
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I have a hot slag/rolling mill combo in one of mine and also a miracle man loaded guitar.

Although the irongear stuff is great for the money the bkp pups are on another level, as they should be at 4 or 5 times the price.

Don't swap your pick ups, that's not your problem.
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No it actually is diffrent. The eq curve is diffrent if you set the controls all to noon. I think it was an older gearmandude video where they showd the diffrence. It is not a huge diffrence , but the KFK deff had a more scooped sound.

Like I said I have never personally used either one, so it may be more or less noticeable live.


I wasn't aware of that. I was pretty sure that Dunlop marketed it as the same pedal, only with a stereo option, but if you've actually heard an A/B then I believe it. It would actually make more sense as to why it's considered a signature pedal

I've always thought that a signature EQ pedal was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard of