Metal Turtle
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This is a follow up to my "Thrashy riffs 1 -C4C" Thanks to all of you who viewed/commented on it, I took what i got from you guys and tried making it longer and adding some new dynamic and structure to the song so it flows better. ENJOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwb-uchFlA
boratian
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#2
The tone is very thrashy, especially the drums. The guitars have this overwhelmingly "bloated" sound with the double track effect right at the start. It gets better though, I can't pinpoint exactly what's doing it lol..I feel like it's a deep scoop in the mids with a boosted bass. I know scooped mids are the norm in metal but try dropping the bass a bit between 50-150kHZ and do an ever so slight boost in the 300 and 600-800kHZ range. Not much though or you'll loose the thrashy tone. I find the guitars just a hair too thin and this may also help with that. Also play around with the upper treble range, that can tame the harshness slightly as well, unless you're going for the full abrasive thrashy tone

Very nice balance in the mix! The song itself flows very well, nice riffs and it just nails that thrash sound very well.

C4C? https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=31004716#post31004716
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fdsaevad
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EIDT; you're a sweet guitarist but i'd like to hear you step up to the next level and make a song.


... i'm sick right now, my first critique wasn't intended to sound so harsh. i just would like to hear some song format instead of a bunch of random riffs in a row.
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Metal Turtle
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Quote by fdsaevad
EIDT; you're a sweet guitarist but i'd like to hear you step up to the next level and make a song.


... i'm sick right now, my first critique wasn't intended to sound so harsh. i just would like to hear some song format instead of a bunch of random riffs in a row.



Actually i didnt get a chance to read your first post, but im just glad you gave me some critique. What improvent should i be working on the most? I do feel its lacking direction becuase honeslty im writing what sounds good to my ears :p
fdsaevad
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i think song structure (verse, chorus, break, etc - some form of ABABCABC D E ABC) and some kind of melody (either guitar or vox). you've got some nice chops but i put more value on songwriting.

chops are the basic requirement for the higher art of songwriting, and it's a fine balance i think. too much chops and its boring for the public, no melody to hold on to. too much songwriting, and no chops (strictly melody on chords) and the song lacks depth and is also boring.

you're all chops, son. time to move on out of the 'look at my fingers go!' to 'hey, i wrote this song, what do you think'.
Metal Turtle
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Quote by fdsaevad
i think song structure (verse, chorus, break, etc - some form of ABABCABC D E ABC) and some kind of melody (either guitar or vox). you've got some nice chops but i put more value on songwriting.

chops are the basic requirement for the higher art of songwriting, and it's a fine balance i think. too much chops and its boring for the public, no melody to hold on to. too much songwriting, and no chops (strictly melody on chords) and the song lacks depth and is also boring.

you're all chops, son. time to move on out of the 'look at my fingers go!' to 'hey, i wrote this song, what do you think'.


You definately have a good point, I was focusing to much on my playing and got to cought up in trying to create the ultimate riffs wich is why i put so many in one song, The more i listen to it, it does seem a little show offy is some bits, I'll limit the riffage and try to make it less confusing to keep the listener interested. Thanks for letting me know what i needed to improve on, I'll keep all this in mind for this project and the next
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For me is that it sounds way too much like the old early '80s Thrash tone, which I don't like.

Also, I would say the composition itself needs more direction. The goal shouldn't be to fit as many cool lead riffs in there as you can. The song needs to start in one place and end in another. It needs to ebb and flow. Take that as a start and write it so that it all fits together without sounding like it's "look at how many leads I can play" time.
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Metal Turtle
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Quote by crazysam23_Atax
For me is that it sounds way too much like the old early '80s Thrash tone, which I don't like.

Also, I would say the composition itself needs more direction. The goal shouldn't be to fit as many cool lead riffs in there as you can. The song needs to start in one place and end in another. It needs to ebb and flow. Take that as a start and write it so that it all fits together without sounding like it's "look at how many leads I can play" time.



Your actually pretty on point about the Tone, the Tone actually is based off of Metallicas "And Justce For All" tone which i know i should create my own but i wanted to try it out :p, Alot of you guys are pointing out that theres to many riffs and need more direction, After listening to it many times im starting to see what you guys mean.

I do have a question though, since theres to many riffs on this song i wasnt sure which riff to repeat or make the "main riff" can you help?
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H dude! I think the guitar tone could be betteer, cause its sounds like its trough some kind of compressor or something. But the riffs are very in your face, and not usual "metalcore" riffs or whatever. But i wish you could have more parts that has different feel. Its just like non stop. But the riffs themself is good. But vocals could make it more exiting. Hope im not being too harsh on you. :P
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Quote by Usernames sucks
H dude! I think the guitar tone could be betteer, cause its sounds like its trough some kind of compressor or something. But the riffs are very in your face, and not usual "metalcore" riffs or whatever. But i wish you could have more parts that has different feel. Its just like non stop. But the riffs themself is good. But vocals could make it more exiting. Hope im not being too harsh on you. :P


Not at all man, I'm actually happy you guys are telling me what to improve on right at the start, its only for my knowledge to making me better at what I'm trying to achieve here. Most of the riffs were planned out separately which made it not such a good idea to put them all in one song lol, I do think adding vocals would help alot but no way in hell can i sing :p

I was mostly experimenting with mixing and i think i added to much compression, My Tone is based off of "and justice for all" by Metallica and i set the quality to 96000hz which i think really screwed up the sound lol

thanks for checking this out man!
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#11
Nice riffs!
I think most of the ideas have good potential to be used in a song. I don't mind the sound really because I like Metallica, but over time you should consider to find your own rather than trying to get their tone. And by the way, don't be afraid to do some riffing in the lower register too, since you have alot of "lead" riffs going on and you don't want to make people get tired of them.

What I think you should totally do now is to make a full structured song. You know, with a verses and chorus and perhaps even a solo. Give it a try and I'm sure you can pull it off.
And for the structure, just keep it basic and spice it up as you feel you get the hang of it. Also find the line between making the song sound coherent and interesting.

Good luck!
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I'm not going to be a negative nancy. I truly enjoyed this song, great playing!
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Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I'm not going to be a negative nancy. I truly enjoyed this song, great playing!


Thanks man!
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Quote by Metal Turtle
I do have a question though, since theres to many riffs on this song i wasnt sure which riff to repeat or make the "main riff" can you help?



I'd keep the first two riffs. First riff makes for an awesome intro, and the second riff would be a killer verse. I would build off of that.

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Vocals would obviously make a difference but the riffage got extremely repetitive and nothing really made me want to break things.
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Quote by 21Fretter
Vocals would obviously make a difference but the riffage got extremely repetitive and nothing really made me want to break things.


I definately have lot of work fixing up to do!
crushingmetal
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#19
Sick riffs. Reminds me of this band:
http://youtu.be/TJEdGrCmhbw

In my view you can never go wrong with killer riff after killer riff, but it does make songs more interesting to listen to if they have a bit more structure and a bit more variation than your track, for example harmonised leads, tempo changes, different time signatures, all these things can add a bit of colour to a song. Your rhythm playing is really tight and guitar tone is classic thrash, but I would like to hear a guitar solo to something to change things up. Overall though, this is fun to listen to and very well played.

C4C https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1587802
DG_Griffin
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#20
Pretty cool. Good clean playing, and I really liked the groove you had going on. I was just listening on my MacBook, but I felt like it could use a bit more bass to fill out the sound.

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#21
Damn, this really reminds of good old 'tallica. Very nice. Sweet riffs too, decent mix as well. Doesn't seem like a full song though, not sure if that's what you were going for since the thread is called thrashy riffs, probably not though. If you did a full complete song that would be great. Other than that I think its all good dude, nice job.

C4C?

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1587888
Metal Turtle
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#23
Thank you all for your great comments, i wish the best to everyone. I thank for those who gave me good tips on making me better at what i do. I will be checking out each of your songs right now! Yeah!!!!!
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#24
I love this style of riffing. Ok, the sound quality wasn't great but I enjoyed hearing it. To be honest I also have a liking for riff collection pieces. They shouldn't be too long, and this wasn't at 3 minutes. It takes a couple of listens to hear the structure. I don't think verse / chorus / verse / chorus is all that great, myself - just an easy (or lazy) template that people are familiar with. Why not let a song dictate its own structure?

The riff that starts at 0:24 was my favourite, which I was glad to hear you developed later in the piece.
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Thanks man, I think my playing style is more Instomental. Im a riffer for sure but im going to step up my game and add solos over them now to change things up
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#26
Nice man, i love those old thrash bands, really reminds me of that era... The playin was very clean and you do have a nice groove going on...

Some very good riffs in there for sure, would love to hear them in a tune with vocals

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