Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#1
Could someone please tab out a Bbsus7 for me and the different variations. I'm not the best at theory and am completely stumped here.

Cheers.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
rockingamer2
Larmarky Remark
Join date: Nov 2006
408 IQ
#2
Bbsus7

Bb Eb F Ab (1 4 5 7)

^^The above is a Cryptic Metaphor^^


"To know the truth of history is to realize its ultimate myth and its inevitable ambiguity." Everything is made up and the facts don't matter.


MUSIC THEORY LINK
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#3
Still haven't been able to get the chord name man, just can't see how to lay it down, especially with the F.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
fearofthemark
UG Fanatic
Join date: Dec 2008
1,280 IQ
#4
-
-
1
1
1
1

would actually be one way of playing it, albeit in second inversion. It's a pretty easy chord to play.

A sus7 chord has the tones I, IV, V, bvii.

Bb is the root (first fret A string.)
Eb is the fourth (first fret D string)
F is the fifth (first fret E string)
Ab is the b7 (first fret G string).

And if you need to play it in some other inversion, you can get away with omitting the root or the fifth sometimes. They're not as integral to the chord tone as you might think, and the bass usually has one or both of them covered anyway.
Quote by guitarxo
I had a dream about your avatar once, so yes of course.

Quote by Bladez22


every time i see that twirling electrode avatar of yours I know that the post is worth reading or the link is worth clicking


Last edited by fearofthemark at Feb 6, 2013,
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#5
First step, bro.
Learn how to build dem chords.

If you think of the major scale as your color palette, then building chords is just a matter of following the formula. If major chords are 1-3-5, and minor chords are 1-b3-5. If suspended or sus means that the third is "suspended" - aka replaced with the 4th, then it becomes simple!

If you know a '7' by itself implies a dominant 7th, and you know a dominant 7th is 1-3-5-b7, then combine the two!

sus7. ...take a guess...ya, that's RIGHT! 1-4-5-b7. Ok! So what's the Bb major scale? That's easy!

Bb C D Eb F G A

How do I know that? Because if I look at the circle of fourths, Bb is two FOURTHS away from C...F (1 flat)...Bb (2 flats). Or...you could just memorize it because it's really easy.

Ok!

So...if I take that major scale and apply that formula...Bbsus7 should be...Bb-Eb-F-Ab

SHIT THAT WAS EASY BRO!

Now I just translate those notes to the guitar, and I can have all kinds of crazy voicings!

Like this! x1314x

Or this! xx8864

OR EVEN THIS! xx3344 (holy shit!)

maybe even 6x686x

perhaps 13x13 11 11

or x8889x (wow thats the same as one of the others...if you knew where the notes were on your fretboard, then you have noticed! the options are limitless*)


*there are a finite number of ways you can voice this chord
Last edited by chronowarp at Feb 6, 2013,
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#6
Thanks for your help guys! I've got it!

But now I was wondering if you could help me these chords you see on the sheet music, I'm not even sure what they're called! As well as what those black bars mean.

Sorry I'm really terrible at theory, I'm working on it!

Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
rockingamer2
Larmarky Remark
Join date: Nov 2006
408 IQ
#7
This sheet should help:
www.tsmp.org/keyboard/lias/pdf/Symbols.pdf

The black bars represent measures of rest. The number indicates how many measures you are resting for. The sideways arrow means to accent that chord.
^^The above is a Cryptic Metaphor^^


"To know the truth of history is to realize its ultimate myth and its inevitable ambiguity." Everything is made up and the facts don't matter.


MUSIC THEORY LINK
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#8
IF that's a big band chart I'd be more worried about nailing those rhythms than what notes/chords i'm playing. Real talk here; in big band you probably don't need more than 2-3 note voicings. Just pick a fraction of the chord and nail it in that hole, bro.

Don't be dropping big clunkers in there.
Anyway, big bros post above gives you some information about lead sheet nomenclature.

EbΔ7 = Ebmaj7 = Eb G Bb D
AØ7=Am7b5=A half diminished = A C Eb G
D+7=D7 WITH AN AUGMENTED 5TH BRO= D F# A# C.

There's about 4gajillion ways you could voice these, but maybe try doing partials up high and see how it sits (I don't know anythin about the instrumentation in the group/how white you are, etc).

xxx12 11 10 Ebmaj7
xxx12 10 8 Am7b5
xxx11 11 11 D7+ (its really a #5b9, but you could xxx11 11 8

also you could do the Bb7sus up there...xxx10 11 11
Last edited by chronowarp at Feb 6, 2013,
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#9
Yeah it is a Big Band chart. I'm not even sure how the damn piece goes - only got the music today.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#10
When I was in big band I'd treat it like a game/exercise in how absolutely little I could do.
What you absolutely want to avoid is doing giant 4-5 note voicings, and doing them low. Stay out of the mud. You don't want to be heard, you want to just lock in with the rhythm section and give that color.
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#11
What do you mean by doing 'giant 4-5 note voicings' :p Hahah sorry man.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#12
Quote by Volcz
What do you mean by doing 'giant 4-5 note voicings' :p Hahah sorry man.

I mean...you have 6 strings...if you're using 4 or more of them then you're probably playing too many notes. If it's a typical highschool/college big band then you most likely have a piano player...which means he's going to be going ham over there on the keyboard ****ing michael j foxxing enormous chords like a guitar noob all over the shitting place.

You need to be the antithesis of that approach and concentrate on rhythm and color and playing chords that are higher in register and use 2-3 notes (See my previous post on voicings for the thing you posted). Don't give into the temptation, dude. When in doubt, lay out.
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#13
That's exactly what it is, I'll definitely observe the rehearsal and see how it goes. Thanks a sh*tload man!

The one thing I'm confused about right now is how to play with the measures of rest. So this piece is in 4/4 and for example if a bar has the chord Bbsus7 in it, then theres another bar which I have to rest for "3 measures" then theres another bar which says Ebmaj7 would I play the Ebmaj7 on the 4th beat of that 2nd bar, or just the first beat of its bar?

If I'm not too confusing!
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#14
Quote by Volcz
That's exactly what it is, I'll definitely observe the rehearsal and see how it goes. Thanks a sh*tload man!

The one thing I'm confused about right now is how to play with the measures of rest. So this piece is in 4/4 and for example if a bar has the chord Bbsus7 in it, then theres another bar which I have to rest for "3 measures" then theres another bar which says Ebmaj7 would I play the Ebmaj7 on the 4th beat of that 2nd bar, or just the first beat of its bar?

If I'm not too confusing!

Don't play anything where there are rests, you're resting! Just count.

I'm guessing that these notated chord stabs are backgrounds to a solo section or something of that nature, am I right? The backup horn parts may possibly have that same rhythm, and no doubt the piano/bass/drums will have it at minimum.

If you're unsure on how to count this stuff, then put it into GuitarPro or some MIDI editor and just try to follow along. There's no harm in that if you aren't confident with your reading skills yet, but you need to work on them.

I've gone through and converted an entire guitar score from a big band piece into guitar pro so that I had something concrete to practice from. There's no shame in that (maybe a little), but you gotta do what you gotta do to learn it.
Last edited by chronowarp at Feb 6, 2013,
fanapathy
B-Tuned
Join date: Jul 2010
1,983 IQ
#15
A measure is the same as a bar. It sounds like you got confused. 3 measures rest = 3 bars rest
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#16
Here's a picture of the first page of the music so you can see

Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#17
When a chord is written over a bar, it means that is the harmony until otherwise specified.

So you've got 2 bars of Ebmaj7 there, then Am7b5 and D7+ in the same bar...it changes to D7+ on 4 where the chord is written about the quarter note.
mdc
UG's Mr Chord Man
Join date: Feb 2008
722 IQ
#18
Here's your chords for the C Section, buddy.

---10-8-6-
-9-8--8-7-
-8-8--8-5-
-8----7---
----------
----------


if you want more voicings for the rest of the piece then just say...
Last edited by mdc at Feb 6, 2013,
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#19
Quote by chronowarp
When a chord is written over a bar, it means that is the harmony until otherwise specified.

So you've got 2 bars of Ebmaj7 there, then Am7b5 and D7+ in the same bar...it changes to D7+ on 4 where the chord is written about the quarter note.


Yeah I understand that much, but when do I hit the Ebmaj7. Cause if you look before theres a rest for 3 measures. If 3 measures is 3 bars, then do I just hit Ebmaj7 on the 1?
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
mdc
UG's Mr Chord Man
Join date: Feb 2008
722 IQ
#20
Yes, it's a dotted crotchet, and also accent the last beat. Dynamics are very important.
Last edited by mdc at Feb 6, 2013,
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#21
Quote by Volcz
Yeah I understand that much, but when do I hit the Ebmaj7. Cause if you look before theres a rest for 3 measures. If 3 measures is 3 bars, then do I just hit Ebmaj7 on the 1?

You hit it whereever there is a written rhythm or bars indicating that you freely comp.
chronowarp
Registered User
Join date: Feb 2012
43 IQ
#22
Quote by mdc
Here's your chords for the C Section, buddy.

---10-8-6-
-9-8--8-7-
-8-8--8-5-
-8----7---
----------
----------


if you want more voicings for the rest of the piece then just say...

dont worry bro i already got him.

But if he wanted to be cool, he'd combine both of the voicing we gave him for variations between the hits! then he'd be the coolest cat in town!
Last edited by chronowarp at Feb 6, 2013,
mdc
UG's Mr Chord Man
Join date: Feb 2008
722 IQ
#23
Ah sorry bud, admittedly I did only skim the thread. Nice one!
Volcz
VCA '18
Join date: Oct 2011
2,428 IQ
#24
Oh so I'm playing the rhythm to how the notation is written out? Right!
So down below it has Gm7 for quite a while and there's just four lines in each bar, does that mean play every beat?

I really, really appreciate all your help guys. You've been freakin legends

Cheers
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
Last edited by Volcz at Feb 6, 2013,
mdc
UG's Mr Chord Man
Join date: Feb 2008
722 IQ
#25
when you see hash marks like that on a chart, it means the guitarist is free to play any voicing of the chord asked for, and any rhythm that feels right in the overall groove.

so those last 16 bars are down to your chordal and rhythmic interpretation.
food1010
Bassist
Join date: Jun 2007
1,660 IQ
#26
Yeah whenever there are rhythms written in slash notation (measures 33, 37, etc.) you play the chord with that rhythm. Whenever there are slashes written without rhythm (the end of the tune), you have to listen to what the drummer is doing and come up with a rhythm to fit that.
Only play what you hear. If you don’t hear anything, don’t play anything.
-Chick Corea