snotz2k6
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Looking to buy my first electric, I've played both strats and teles in guitar shops, but I love both so much. Could someone who knows a bit about guitars guide me?
Ps squier affinity is the model of strat/tele I can afford
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You need an amp too though right? Do you have one already?

I'd say don't buy any Squier Affinity. Save up for a Classic Vibe as a minimum and even then, I'd say save up for a Mexican Fender.
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You need an amp too though right? Do you have one already?

I'd say don't buy any Squier Affinity. Save up for a Classic Vibe as a minimum and even then, I'd say save up for a Mexican Fender.


+1

This will also come down to personal preference.
We need budget, city, style of music you'd like to play, etc.
I would definitely save up for a CV version of either guitar, the Affinity line is good for beginners, but you'll outgrow it quickly, and if you're in it for the long haul, a CV or MIM is a better option. The Affinity series seems to be for parents buying their kid a guitar, with no knowledge of the instrument, looking to keep price down.

If you're willing to go used, you can score a bit more for less too.
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I used to own an Affinity Telecaster. Not a bad guitar at all, pickups are hot so it lends itself to distorted playing. Cleans were passable, not a problem if you're going to be running pedals or using a modelling amp. I would agree to buy a Classic Vibe USED, for around 80 dollars more than a new Affinity. The new 2013 models all look nice, but aside from the Mary Kaye Stratocaster, I would pass and buy a used model for way cheaper.
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Strats seem, to me, to be a little more forgiving to beginning players.
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Oh yeah well I like the vaccines, the clash, bruce springsteen, pixies, cure, Libertines and the old arctic monkeys I ****ing hate their new stuff it's too pop-y
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Quote by SteveHOC
+1

This will also come down to personal preference.
We need budget, city, style of music you'd like to play, etc.
I would definitely save up for a CV version of either guitar, the Affinity line is good for beginners, but you'll outgrow it quickly, and if you're in it for the long haul, a CV or MIM is a better option. The Affinity series seems to be for parents buying their kid a guitar, with no knowledge of the instrument, looking to keep price down.

If you're willing to go used, you can score a bit more for less too.


My parents are buying me the guitar lol they wanted to but a bullet but I was like **** that no guitar for €99 can be good, So I said I'd go halves with them for my birthday but I still don't know whether to go strat or tele they're both beautiful guitars
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Oh yeah well I like the vaccines, the clash, bruce springsteen, pixies, cure, Libertines and the old arctic monkeys I ****ing hate their new stuff it's too pop-y


Save up and get a MiM Tele, lots of those artists use them. They look nice, but the affinity series aren't nice. It's a Ford KA with a Ferrari paint job.

Their old stuff was poppy, mate. Brianstorm, Teddy Picker, that's completely pop, good, but still pop. Their new stuff is heading into desert rock and it's very good and much more articulate.
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snotz2k6
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I like their 2004 demo's but after the first album I don't think they did very well. Their new album will not be anything like desert rock, Josh Homme isn't aiding them on it like he did the last two(Josh Homme - Queens of the stone age)
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I think we all know who Josh Homme is.

Demos? Their MySpace stuff? It wasn't the finished article. Their first album and last 2 were excellent. It's definitely headed towards a more Queens sound IMO. R U Mine was amazing, a great rock riff inspired by Led Zep and Queens.

I would be surprised if they move away from the riff heavy, wall of sound ethos and back to singing about taxis and bouncers. They're not quite kids anymore.
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Oh no they won't sart singing about nightclubs and stuff again, I just don't think it's desert rock. Humbug was amazing I will admit, but I just don't like this new image in general not just the music but the haircuts and the ****** skull pinky ring and that. This is off-topic, I feel lile we are on 4chan without the sick pictures
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Unfortunately if you make statements about bands people may not agree with them, especially if they are subjective statements! I don't think they got more poppy, I think they got less poppy and I hope they'll continue with their Josh Homme inspired direction.

This is hardly like that site, we're talking about the possible direction of a rock and roll band.

If you want that, go play in the Pit!

Besides, it seems like you have your answer. The Affinitys are not good guitars. Save up longer and get a MiM Tele or Strat, either will do. I think the Tele.
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dngrsdave
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I have a Squier Tele & a Squier Standard Strat. Both are fine guitars. Since you tried both and like them both it comes down to what type of music you want to play.

If you are going to be playing open tuning or drop tuning, I would get the Tele because of the fixed bridge. You can still get alot of different tones through this guitar even though there are only 2 pickups with a 3 position switch by adjusting your tone control and through pick attack.

If you want a to use a wammy bar, the Strat is for you. Pick the one you are going to be Happy with and play the most. Once you become a better player you will see what type of guitar you will need and your next one can be much nicer and more expensive.

Another Good thing about starting with a lower priced guitar is that you can learn how to set-up a guitar and learn the proper maintenance . As you go along you can modify the guitar and alter it to your liking. This way as you progress to an expensive guitar,you'll know how to mod it and care for it.
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Bear in mind that the trem on a Squier probably won't stay in tune for very long if you use it.
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Those 50's strat CVs are exceptional value imho. I got my bro an affinity tele, he said he wanted to learn (wall candy I think)... but spent afternoon at GC that sounded as good as some $800 reg teles (or was it they sounded bad?). IF you get the right one, they can be gems. There is not a much simpler design than a tele: slab of wood and a couple pickups. maple fretboard too... great for poppin kinda fun. remember not to "dime" everything, btw
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A strat is a very classic choice to begin with.

But do to the poor bridge & tuning machines it goes out of tune all the time, even in CV.
The Tele CV is a sure win.
But if you like Eric Clapton, Jimi Handrix & SRV, the tele just won't do.
If you want a strat give up the Squier & move up to MIM, a very good beginners guitar.
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Quote by Emster 23
Those 50's strat CVs are exceptional value imho. I got my bro an affinity tele, he said he wanted to learn (wall candy I think)... but spent afternoon at GC that sounded as good as some $800 reg teles (or was it they sounded bad?). IF you get the right one, they can be gems. There is not a much simpler design than a tele: slab of wood and a couple pickups. maple fretboard too... great for poppin kinda fun. remember not to "dime" everything, btw


You'll need to compare a very good CV to a very poor Mexican Tele to say that the CV is as good as a MiM. A MIA? Not in a million years. I've got 3 tele's. A MIA, a Thinline and a MiM. I've owned 2 further Teles. The MIA sounds so much clearer, brighter, the construction is generally much better.

The pine CV body itself isn't as nice a wood as ash or alder and just doesn't resonate as nicely. The CV are made on a budget and are made well on that budget but aren't as nice as the MiM.
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Strat and Tele sure is a couple of two legendary body shapes, as they have been around quite for a while now. Although basically they are both a creation of the same company or should I say of the same man, they aren't meant to be even similar. Firstly, they are quite different regarding the thickness of body, therefore the weights are different, which results in a whole lot of other things: sound of course, playability, looks, comfort. Here is a good overview of all the important differences.
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Just for clarification, Leo Fender made the Telecaster as a cheap guitar for the working man. The reason why Telecasters sound so good is in their design. The CV50's will sound more vintage Telecaster-like than a MIM due to the Alnico pickups and 3 saddle bridge. Pine is a great tone wood and was used in Fender MIA guitars in the past, and still being used in CS Fenders of the present along with by other reputable builders such as Ron Kirn.
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I love my American Tele, but I would have bought an American Strat if I could have afforded it. The Strat is more versatile IMO, but the Tele has a great sound and feels good in your hands.
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You can make a "fake" telecaster sound using a strat by doing a simple modification. There is a little more bass, but it kind of has the same telecaster qualities to it. You can't get the exact sound however. It is very unique and quite pleasing to the ear. I know telecasters are used a lot for American country music, but they could sound good in any sort of venue.

If I were you, I would get the guitar I wanted right now so I'd have someting to play with, and save money for a Mexican version. When I have about enough, I would sell the Squier and hope to get about 60%-75% what I paid and put that towards the Mexi. If you get the telecaster now, and decide you don't like it, you can switch to the Mexican strat once you have the cash (or vice-versa).

If you do choose a strat and want to mod it, just search for "seven sound" stratocaster and you will find the wiring diagram. There is a guy in England who makes the wiring as a direct drop in, but it costs much less to do it yourself. It you are not comfortable with soldering you could go the drop-in route.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCEdT2d43jU

Look around on this guy's youtube channel. These guys go over the differences in the squier, mexi, and usa versions. You can find this done on telecasters and stratocasters.
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Quote by krispi180
Strat and Tele sure is a couple of two legendary body shapes, as they have been around quite for a while now. Although basically they are both a creation of the same company or should I say of the same man, they aren't meant to be even similar. Firstly, they are quite different regarding the thickness of body, therefore the weights are different, which results in a whole lot of other things: sound of course, playability, looks, comfort. Here is a good overview of all the important differences.


Well, the link you posted said that Tele's are use mostly for country music and strats more for rock. I think that statement is a bit false, if you ask me.

Both an HSS Strat and a Tele can do rock pretty well. Just that the tele would have more of a sharper, meaner sound while the strat would have, as many people say, a quackier sound.
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For your first guitar I would go for the strat, because they are a little more versatile than a tele.
In my opinion a squier is a great first guitar, especially if your budget is limited. I wouldnt buy an affinity or a bullet unless your willing to upgrade the pups and electronics because in a year or so you will realize how crappy it sounds. A vintage modified or a classic vibe series would be a much better choice, you can probably find a used one for not much more than a new bullet or affinity.

I would recommend joining squier-talk forum and asking some questions there.
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17 years ago, i bought a Squier Strat. 14 years ago, I bought a Squier Affinity Tele.
I now have 7 strats (6 of them are Squiers).

So, I love Strats, and I love Squiers.
When I play my Tele, i miss having a tremolo, and i miss having 5 sounds instead of only 3.
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So, I love Strats, and I love Squiers.
When I play my Tele, i miss having a tremolo, and i miss having 5 sounds instead of only 3.

Nashville Tele or Squier VM Tele SSH with a Bigsby
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Buy used from a guitar shop. Avoid guitar center if you can. Purchase a MIM fender, strat or tele and you'll be gold. Purchasing a cheap guitar is just $200 down the drain. Look at this as an investment, unless you plan on giving up in the next year. My first bass was cheap as hell, but that's another story. My first guitar was a MIM strat. Still my old faithful, but I did put noisless pickups in it.
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I think Tele are the best shaped guitars ever, but also think the squiers are less comfortable in comparison.

I could play a tele for hours and can use them easily. Strats aren't bad, I just prefer Tele's over them.
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"You'll need to compare a very good CV to a very poor Mexican Tele to say that the CV is as good as a MiM. " Wasn't a cv I was comparing, it was rock bottom affinity tele... it had that raunch quality down. Teles aren't prom queens. I didn't look for country of origin, I just wanted to compare dirt cheap with dusty cheap. If $800 is dusty cheap. I would hope that the MIA with their price tags up there sound better, otherwise why spend it?
And Roy Buchannan changed my mind about what you can do with a tele. He had no wah (did it with tone and vol knobs), had no tremelo, did stuff beyond belief. What? No pedal boards? But, but.....Some young guys may not know of him, since he is dead now long time, but watch this video and stand in awe and amazement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4e2VgycfSw
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azrael4h
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IMO, I find the Strat marginally more comfortable to play, but unless you have serious back trouble you probably won't care about the difference. I also have a preference for Strats, but that's more due to so many of my major influences using them.

Both are pretty versatile guitars, so you won't go wrong with either. Of course I'd get a Strat, but that's again personal preference not related to sound or quality. I eventually plan on getting a Tele, but I want a new amp first. Otherwise, I'd have already bought about one.
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Of Roy Buchanan, let me say that I do not question his skill & talent...but I sometimes find his taste lacking. I almost didn't want to keep listening after about halfway through tht opening song.
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Do yourself a favor and buy a Mexican tele. No fussy tremolo to worry about, just a block of wood and two pickups. Very simple and durable guitar.
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snotz2k6
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well, I got my squief bullet STRAT today and it really is exactly what I wanted. The neck is beautifullly smooth, medium frets make it so easy to play. And it sounds amazing for a guitar that costed 100 euro. Obviously it's no match for a mexican or american but i love this guitar so much and i've had it for about two hours. Very playable, great beginner strat.
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Well alright then! Happy New Guitar Day!!!
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