hollowskull100
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When I bend a string on my guitar, the bridge slowly dives and the other strings detunes. The strings and bridge, of course, goes back to normal when released. This makes unison bending sound really wierd and out of tune.

If this normal? I couldn't find anything by searching.
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This is one of the one disadvantages of a floyd rose sadly.

When you do dual string bend, commonly 15(g)/14(b) you'll suffer quite a bit
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Quote by solidrane
This is one of the one disadvantages of a floyd rose sadly.

When you do dual string bend, commonly 15(g)/14(b) you'll suffer quite a bit

SERIOUSLY??!!
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Eventually you learn how to do bends with the Floyd itself. >.>
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Quote by hollowskull100
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If it really bothers you just get a tremol-no. Although this will lock your floyd from being able to move. I ended up doing this on all my floyd guitar because I rarely used the bar. Now I get sweet tuning stability
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Quote by solidrane
This is one of the one disadvantages of a floyd rose sadly.

When you do dual string bend, commonly 15(g)/14(b) you'll suffer quite a bit


Really? I've never noticed that happening too me
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It's just physics so yes. You're increasing string tension by bending so the bridge will dive as far as you bend.

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Really? I've never noticed that happening too me


I believe it happens on all floating trems, take a good listen you'll hear it. Tune it with a really good accurate tuner, do the bend a few times and look at the string that doesn't bend when doing dual bends, it will go slightly out. Disadvantages of Floyds, bro
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Yup. Just part of having a floating bridge. Increase the string tension and it will pull against the springs. A tremol-no will let you lock it in place, or something like an ESP arming adjuster will help minimize movement and flutter.
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There is really no way to do unison bends on a tremolo system that rests on springs. The same is true for a vintage tremolo (unless it is pulled down flat to the body and so stiff that it won't move, which mine isn't).

Either you accept it, or you go for another guitar/lock the trem down. There's lot of other cool stuff you can do with the trem though.
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Quote by mmolteratx
Yup. Just part of having a floating bridge.


+1- it's not just floyds that do that, strat trems and wilkinsons and the like do it too if set to float.
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Quote by mmolteratx
Yup. Just part of having a floating bridge. Increase the string tension and it will pull against the springs. A tremol-no will let you lock it in place, or something like an ESP arming adjuster will help minimize movement and flutter.


I wouldn't buy a tremol no if I were you. I did a quick google search and saw they cost between £30 to £50. You can do the same job wedging a rubber in the back. It's what I've done for my two floyd roses and it's worked perfectly fine.
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It's coming with my next guitar. I think direct is $50 or so, though from what I've heard, they've been out of stock for freaking forever. I do like having easy access on the fly though without having to remove and replace a stop. Not terribly high for the functionality.

EDIT: Looks like pricing went up to $75 from the $50 it was when I looked a few years ago. Definitely a bit ridiculous at that price, but it's still useful.
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I love the newer Ibanez trems since they don't go out of tune when you bend
hollowskull100
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Jesus motherf*cking Christ! I left the thread for like 5 minutes and suddenly all these new posts came up XD But anyways, I don't want to buy a tremo-no. I can do the same thing with some picks or a block of wood. It's way too expensive. Besides, the whole point of a Floyd for me is the whammy bar! lol And yes, the tuning stability. Ah man, this sucks. As much as I love my tremolo bridge, I'm just going to get a les paul next.
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Quote by hollowskull100
As much as i love my tremolo bridge, I'm just going to get a les paul next.

Oh, definitely do this. Trems are nice, but there are several disadvantages that come with them.
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#19
This is why I blocked my Floyd with two solid chunks of mahogany and oak. For the amount I actually used the whammy bar, I hated it for bends and I especially hated it when chugging/galloping -- the bridge would move just from my hard picking; and that was with four springs installed. It really hurt my rhythm technique.

I do like the fine-tuning capabilities of my Floyd though. Maybe someday I'll get a Tremel-No...
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#20
Gotta learn to bend with floyd. For example you want to do a g9 b7 unison,so u have to bend the g string further then on a fixed bridge, because the bridge dives and you have to bend the b string a bit too. Kinda tricky, i'm learning it now :P
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How often do you pull up on the trem? If you mainly dive you can partially block the trem and make it dive only. Then increase the spring tension to hold the bridge tighter to the body. You can still dive this way, though it will be stiffer, and the increased spring tension will keep the string bends from lifting the bridge from the body, unless you are doing massive string bends.
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#22
Quote by mmolteratx

i was gonna recommend a hipshot tremsetter, but that looks like it does the same job for a little less money

I usually have my trems set to dive only like poppameth suggested, although it does compromise on the function of the trem a little.
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Quote by Blompcube
i was gonna recommend a hipshot tremsetter, but that looks like it does the same job for a little less money

I usually have my trems set to dive only like poppameth suggested, although it does compromise on the function of the trem a little.


I've heard bad things about the TremSetter. Mostly that it's very difficult to set up and adjust in comparison to the newer designs. Never tried it though, obviously so I dunno if it's all just internet hearsay.

EDIT: Though if he wants to get that booteek trem stabilizer for the ultimate in toanz,

http://www.rptech.f2s.com/products.html
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I've installed a few Black Boxes and the RP version looks like basically the exact same thing. They work okay but not great. In this case it wouldn't do any good at all. The Black Box only provides counter pressure when pulling up. So if you dive and go out of tune, you can yank the bridge back to pull your strings back in tune and the Black Box will push the trem back where it belongs. It does nothing for the trem pulling forward when bending. I've had the Hipshot in a few guitars as well and all it did was make tuning a real pain. I never really saw where it added any stability. The spring was just too weak in it.