rejected1
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Hi there,
I have 2 guitars in mind, a USA Gibson SG Platinum and a Japan Fender AV57'RI strat.

I know both are totally different guitars. I am heading out to test them, but before I do, I want to know what you guys think first. So, I want no comments about "go out and test them."
What really got me is the price of the Gibson SG, but it's only like a SG special. The Fender, well, I am a fan of strats in general.

My budget this time around is tighter so I cannot go for a USA Fender strat.
What do you guys think? Is the SG worth more than the strat?
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Hi there,
I have 2 guitars in mind, a USA Gibson SG Platinum and a Japan Fender AV57'RI strat.

I know both are totally different guitars. I am heading out to test them, but before I do, I want to know what you guys think first. So, I want no comments about "go out and test them."
What really got me is the price of the Gibson SG, but it's only like a SG special. The Fender, well, I am a fan of strats in general.

My budget this time around is tighter so I cannot go for a USA Fender strat.
What do you guys think? Is the SG worth more than the strat?


than thats what you should get. the MIJ fenders are great, but they are old enough if played a lot to have bad fretwear.

i like gibson and i am not really into strats, so if it wre me i woudl buy the gibson. but again i have two Gibson SG's and like them a lot.

they are polar opposites, nothing that we can really tell you, its just a SG v, Strat type thing.

what feels best in your hands?
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I've played not too many strats myself and tested a few SGs. I like the rounded feel of SGs but I just love the sound of overdrive+bridge of a strat. Thing is in my local area, not many guitarists have SGs. This would look great. I just wish I could grab both of them.

What are the pros and cons of a SG Platinum and an MIJ Strat?
How is the build of the USA Gibsons? Are they top notch? How are the humbuckers on the SG?
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I can only tell you about the SG. Overall USA gibsons are great when they use the PLECK-system on it, my LP traditional was really well setup. On the other hand, there is a luck factor involved, Some of my friend payed for a top notch gibson and it wasn't properly setup. Not that it requierd a lot of adjustments, but for such an expensive instrument you could at least expect a topnotch setup. I think strats are overall better when they come from out of the factory. For the pickups, not sure what they use: burstbuckers? If so, you'll have a really nice sound
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What are you gonig to be using it for?
Gear:

Gibson 2005 Les Paul Standard
Fender Road Worn Strat w/ Noiseless pickups
Marshall JCM 2000 401C
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Marshall 1960A cab (Dave Hill from Slade's old cab)
Ibanez TS9DX
EHX Little Big Muff
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To gig and practice in the room. I was previously a bassist for a band, now I am a guitarist for a band so I need a new guitar. Going to play some classic rock and heavy metal. I am always going for strats, though I know they aren't generally for classic rock bunch, and now I stumbled on the SG that I might like. So, I figured, maybe I could like this better. LP's would probably suit me better than SG's, but if I want to go down that road I will take Gibson's and not Epi, but I don't have the budget now.
The PLEK set up? I heard it's good. Yeah, but some Gibson's I've played had fretwire leveling issues. I am not very hyped about the looks on the SG platinum either. Though the Handcrafted in USA stamp is pretty tempting. I never owned a USA guitar before. I heard Gibson had some pretty bad period especially recent years. Is it true? And when did the period begun?
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The PLEK set up? I heard it's good. Yeah, but some Gibson's I've played had fretwire leveling issues.

All new Gibson's are PLEK'd now.
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I heard Gibson had some pretty bad period especially recent years. Is it true? And when did the period begun?

The period began when some teenage metalheads jumped onto the internet having just bought their new LTD/Schecter/Ibanez
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All new Gibson's are PLEK'd now.

The period began when some teenage metalheads jumped onto the internet having just bought their new LTD/Schecter/Ibanez


Oh, thanks for clearing that up.
The SG is a 2004 Platinum Special. Is that year PLEK'd?
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Oh, thanks for clearing that up.
The SG is a 2004 Platinum Special. Is that year PLEK'd?

No. All the new Gibson's are though.
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That's mostly the Les Pauls, because the bodies are about 50% heavier than on an SG.

I've owned a Strat copy and the real thing, and to me the SG blows it out of the water. It's comfortably light but not at all flimsy, the bevel is adds more comfort; with the set neck + double cutaway meeting the neck at about the 20th fret, you aren't going to find another guitar that's more comfortable for upper fret play, IMO.

Especially if you already have a Strat, get the SG to complement it. You can go all the way from The Doors to The Who to New Order to AC/DC with that thing.
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if i sigged comments, that would totally be it.

OP- i really think you should get the strat. several times you have said how much you like certain features/shape, etc. all that you are doing with the SG is questioning it. not that its wrong to question, but i think you kind of have you mind made up already.

go play them. thats really all i say. see what you like better.
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if i sigged comments, that would totally be it.

OP- i really think you should get the strat. several times you have said how much you like certain features/shape, etc. all that you are doing with the SG is questioning it. not that its wrong to question, but i think you kind of have you mind made up already.

go play them. thats really all i say. see what you like better.


Are you a mind reader or something? Yeah, I really like strat feel but the SG is an SG. Haha.

Another question, how does a Japanese Fender compare to a USA made Gibson, build-wise, quality control-wise, and everything else?
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Are you a mind reader or something? Yeah, I really like strat feel but the SG is an SG. Haha.

Another question, how does a Japanese Fender compare to a USA made Gibson, build-wise, quality control-wise, and everything else?


its not really a fair question on any front. some MIJ strats are very nice guitars, i am sure they are prettly on par with MIA strats, but there are too many variables.

the best MIJ strat is definitely better than the worst MIA, vice versa.

i have gone though probably 10 strats mostly MIM' but a few MIA's, i sold my last MIA a few years ago in favor for this seemingly magical 1995 MIM maple on olympic white goddess. its a MIM, but it is the best strat i have owned. but i have never played another MIM strat like the one i own. but i am sure that a large majority of MIA's are significantly better than MIM. i just had the right one fall into my hands.

gibson's are my personal choice, there was a two year period where cheap gibsons came with some flaws. i didn't see more than a couple and i own two from that tine, they both arrived perfect. and now have seen a lot of use. i have one 1/400 run SG (#11) white jazz that is stunning, and a faded model that i have bastardized with only two switches and an EMG 81 in both positions. its only used for metal. its a great guitar. i really like SG's in general.

there have been better years for gibson and worse. as over a time period everything really does in the world of manufacturing exists today. for example fenders were pretty shitty in the CBS period. norlin years weren't as good for gibson.

the key to it all is to just pick it up and play it. and get what you like.
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Fender American Special Strat MN Candy Apple Red is nice and costs £674 ($1,055).. really nice sound to it and isn't as expensive as a lot of guitars of the same quality
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Fender American Special Strat MN Candy Apple Red is nice and costs £674 ($1,055).. really nice sound to it and isn't as expensive as a lot of guitars of the same quality


the american special (again most of them) wouldn't be as nice as a MIJ. again just from what i have touched. also i should mention i have never owned a MIJ, but i have an older friend (kind of mentor, he is in his late (60's) who is a strat wh*re, i have played some 60's strats and teles, and i have also played a handful of other vintage guitars as well as a MIJ. that is my most familiar MIJ strat.

the only sad thing with the 60's guitars from around then are fairly beaten up, but again IIRC he bought one or two of them new, and has used them his whole life and has never worked in anything outside of guitar/music world. and they have been his workhorses.

i would go MIJ over American special, but play them both.
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My personal taste, SG's and Tele's are the top two best models ever. Of course Les Paul and Strat's are more popular, I just feel the SG and Tele have the best feel and shape.

Of course I think every man needs one of each, even if they are all Squier and Epiphone.


Personally I wouldn't bother with middle range guitars. There isn't a huge difference in Mexi and Asian. The American made Fenders are way better from constructions to the pickups.

I thought the Classic Vibes or J5 Squiers are just as impressive as the Mexican made Tele's....same thing goes for Strats.

As for SG's, they are more affordable. An American SGJ isn't that much, only $600 which is affordable compared to other 2013 American Made guitars.


I would either spend $400 on a Classic Vibe, or $600 on a Gibson SGJ. Of course there is also the Epiphone LP's and and Squier Tele's which are also affordable.
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My personal taste, SG's and Tele's are the top two best models ever. Of course Les Paul and Strat's are more popular, I just feel the SG and Tele have the best feel and shape.

Of course I think every man needs one of each, even if they are all Squier and Epiphone.


Personally I wouldn't bother with middle range guitars. There isn't a huge difference in Mexi and Asian. The American made Fenders are way better from constructions to the pickups.

I thought the Classic Vibes or J5 Squiers are just as impressive as the Mexican made Tele's....same thing goes for Strats.

As for SG's, they are more affordable. An American SGJ isn't that much, only $600 which is affordable compared to other 2013 American Made guitars.


I would either spend $400 on a Classic Vibe, or $600 on a Gibson SGJ. Of course there is also the Epiphone LP's and and Squier Tele's which are also affordable.
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Thanks for all the great input. trashedlostfdup, how many strats and SGs you have now? Yeah I've played some nice MIMs but maybe nothing close to your magical MIM.

Another question for my research before I head out to test, how does the SG Special different from the SG Standard aside from the binding, the inlays and pickup covers? Is there a difference in neck profile or hardware that affects playability?

Also, is the neck dive a problem when playing the guitar standing?

Yeah, I got lots of questions on SGs, cause I've never owned one unlike a strat. :P
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Quote by rejected1
Thanks for all the great input. trashedlostfdup, how many strats and SGs you have now? Yeah I've played some nice MIMs but maybe nothing close to your magical MIM.

Another question for my research before I head out to test, how does the SG Special different from the SG Standard aside from the binding, the inlays and pickup covers? Is there a difference in neck profile or hardware that affects playability?

Also, is the neck dive a problem when playing the guitar standing?

Yeah, I got lots of questions on SGs, cause I've never owned one unlike a strat. :P


one strat, two SG's.

finish is the biggest factor, for me (i actually like it) you can feel the grain everywhere, its smooth, but isn't glassy. bling is probably the biggest factor after finish. you may get one piece less of wood on the body, but i am not sure on that. and keep in mind things do change year to year. the tributes have been very popular and i thought they were pretty nice. IIRC most of the tributes have P-90's, but this one looks rather sharp (i haven't ever seen one of these in a shop, i just found it a minute ago going through MF's site. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/gibson-sg-tribute-60s-electric-guitar .

neck profiles are always different on gibsons, thats why typically you want to try it first. neck profile is more of a preference. the standard may come with better tuners, but i don't remember. either way, the cheaper ones are fine for the most part. the problem that gibson had were poorly cut nuts, but IIRC all nuts are Plek'd now (kind of like CNC type thing), so that is one nicer thing that are on newer gibsons (maybe just 2012 and after, but if its a big deal you can find it), and even if they have a bad nut, you can go to a luthier and get a bone nut cut for $25 (blank nut included from a guy i was recommended to)

neither of my SG"s have balance issues, but i am sure some do.
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