#1
I'm switching to acoustic guitar, electric won't do it.

I play blues, blues/rock, blues/pop, bluegrass.
I also only play at home by myself, no singing.

I like John Mayer, Eric Clapton, Old Man Markley, Joe Bonamassa, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, The Foo Fighters.

Here are a few tracks.

Old Man Markley

John Mayer

Eric Clapton

Foo Fighters

Joe Bonamassa

Brad Paisley

I'd like to stick with Taylor guitars because I like the quality and I've got a great local dealer over here.

So, I do know some about acoustics, but not that much.
I would probably go with a Grand Symphony since I'm a light picker and I play standard tuning with a pick.

As for the woods, I am a bit confused here.
The 300 or 500 series would seems to be the best choice as I understand since it's got more middle (I play alone, middle is generally good in that case).

Any suggestions?
What would be the differences between the 300 and 500?

I used to own a 400 Grand Auditorium but did not like to tone from the wood and shape, really did not buy the right guitar that time.
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#2
You'll probably want a spruce top. Whether you want Mahogany or Rosewood is personally preference really.

Each time you go up in series there are higher quality woods/better appointments. For example, the 300 vs 500 series. Both have spruce tops but the 300 has Sapele and the 500 has mahogany. Sapele is generally (no idea why) considered a lesser wood than mahogany, though they're similar tonally.

Since you didn't like the 400, which has rosewood, you might like the 500 which is mahogany.

Everything you linked screams Martin though.
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#3
Get rosewood or mahogany (figure out which you like better) and make sure everything is solid woods rather than HPL (high pressure laminate) or veneers. If you are going to buy one of the expensive taylors I would really recommend checking out a few Martins first. Clapton and Mayer both play Martins. Also a ton of great bluegrass guys like Tony Rice have Martins.

Looks like the difference between the series of 300 and 500 taylor GS's is the fact that the 300s are Sapele (African Mahogany) while the 500s are South American Mahogany

Just be sure to confirm that whatever you buy is all solid woods. You could also check out guild, but I've never had one of those so I can't vouch for the quality or anything.
#5
Yeah, but he has the D28 tho. That's still his main. My dad knows him and asked him in person.
#6
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Yeah, but he has the D28 tho. That's still his main. My dad knows him and asked him in person.


Haha, I've seen him live like, 5 times. Always had that Santa Cruz with him. I believe you, but I've never seen him with it. Probably retired it and travels with the SCGCs. I'd take an SC over any Martin but a prewar anyway.
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#8
Yeah, I just realized that although Tony Rice has a D28 that he uses, I just got him confused with David Grier who endorses Nashville Guitar Company but told my dad he still plays his Martin most of the time. That's my bad getting my guitarists confused. BTW I checked out your profile and just wanted to ask if the MP3 you uploaded was you with your Taylor 712. If so it has a really nice sound.
#9
Thanks for all the answers!

Here's a video of what I usually play. VIDEO HERE

What I did not like about the Taylor GA4 was when playing shuffle, the sound would get woofy and undefined.

As for martin guitars, what should I look for?

Also, I could get a Larivee over here, any good models?

I don't want to go over 2000.
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#11
From what I'm seeing, the Martin John Mayer signature has a rosewood back and side with a engelmann spruce top.

The Taylor 700 series is built with those woods.

Would that be a good option?
#12
when i think eric clapton, i think martin. just because the taylor 700 is built with the same woods does not in any way mean it will sound similar. martins and taylors tend to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum - taylors tend to be bright and sparkly, martins have more bass and no sparkle. for that matter, sitka over mahogany has more fundamental and less overtones than rosewood.

go used and you'll be able to afford a nicer guitar.
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#13
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when i think eric clapton, i think martin. just because the taylor 700 is built with the same woods does not in any way mean it will sound similar. martins and taylors tend to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum - taylors tend to be bright and sparkly, martins have more bass and no sparkle. for that matter, sitka over mahogany has more fundamental and less overtones than rosewood.

go used and you'll be able to afford a nicer guitar.


After what you said, I realized how much I prefer the martin sound.

Would a Larrivee OM-03r be close to the John Mayer signature Martin?

LARIVEE
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#14
i haven't found that larrivees sound much like martins. the guitars that sound most like the iconic martins are the iconic martins, although some feel that collings, santa cruz and huss & dalton (all really nice brands!) have martiny tone. also check out eastman (they have their own sound, but closer to martin than taylor) blueridge and recording king.
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#15
I'm pretty much decided on a Larrivee OM-03R.

Got a question, what makes a guitar buzz when playing?
I tried a D-03 and L-03, both were not fretting cleanly.

Here's a perfect example. VIDEO HERE
#16
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when i think eric clapton, i think martin. just because the taylor 700 is built with the same woods does not in any way mean it will sound similar. martins and taylors tend to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum - taylors tend to be bright and sparkly, martins have more bass and no sparkle. for that matter, sitka over mahogany has more fundamental and less overtones than rosewood.

go used and you'll be able to afford a nicer guitar.



Well, they aren't built with the same woods

EDIT: Shit, I forgot Taylor raped the 700 series. Now they are.

I don't know why my 700 popped into the equation but it's Cedar/EIR which I would not recommend for this style.

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Yeah, I just realized that although Tony Rice has a D28 that he uses, I just got him confused with David Grier who endorses Nashville Guitar Company but told my dad he still plays his Martin most of the time. That's my bad getting my guitarists confused. BTW I checked out your profile and just wanted to ask if the MP3 you uploaded was you with your Taylor 712. If so it has a really nice sound.



And yes it is, but my website has much better sounding examples. That was done with like, a pair of SM57s or something.

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After what you said, I realized how much I prefer the martin sound.

Would a Larrivee OM-03r be close to the John Mayer signature Martin?

LARIVEE


At this point, the way in which you play the guitar is going to be as important as who makes it and what it's made out of. I play plenty of Mayer/Clapton esque stuff on my Taylor which is arguably not suited for that music. For example, a poorly played Johnson tune

Larrivee makes great guitars but they sound like Larrivees. IF you want that Martin sound, get a Martin or better yet a H&D, Santa Cruz, Collings, etc.
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Well, they aren't built with the same woods

EDIT: Shit, I forgot Taylor raped the 700 series. Now they are.

I don't know why my 700 popped into the equation but it's Cedar/EIR which I would not recommend for this style.


And yes it is, but my website has much better sounding examples. That was done with like, a pair of SM57s or something.


At this point, the way in which you play the guitar is going to be as important as who makes it and what it's made out of. I play plenty of Mayer/Clapton esque stuff on my Taylor which is arguably not suited for that music. For example, a poorly played Johnson tune

Larrivee makes great guitars but they sound like Larrivees. IF you want that Martin sound, get a Martin or better yet a H&D, Santa Cruz, Collings, etc.


That's something I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around.
Same woods, same shape, not the same kind of tone?
#18
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That's something I'm having difficulty wrapping my head around.
Same woods, same shape, not the same kind of tone?


Why are you having difficulty wrapping your head around that? So much goes into a guitar, perhaps most importantly the bracing but there are an infinite number of choices to make in the construction.

The builder is FAR more important. Go and play a Martin 000-28, a Santa Cruz OM, one of Huss and Dalton's spruce/rosewood models (can't think of the number) and a Colling's OM2. All the same woods and body shape, all the same STYLE of guitar (traditional OM) and all pretty different. The H&D in particular.
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#19
I called some guitar stores in the region and I found a Boucher Indian Goose 000 for 3400 (including taxes).

To get it, I'd have to trade in my 2012 Traditional Les Paul Gold Top.

Do you guys think it's a good move? I don't really dig my Les Paul.....

After what I heard on Youtube, the Larrivee sounds really bad....
#20
Never, ever, ever judge the way an acoustic guitar sounds from youtube. Even the people that do it really well like Soundpure. There's nothing like holding the guitar in your hands and feeling the way it resonates and the way it sounds in the room. I'd never buy an acoustic guitar without playing it first. ESPECIALLY for 3400.
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#21
woods are only part of tone. other things make big tonal differences.

bracing is high on the list. bracing shape, thickness, height, whether it's scalloped, location in the body - these are things that contribute greatly to tone. then there's thickness of woods, neck wood - a maple neck is going to add more brightness than a mahogany neck, for example - number of frets to the body (12 frets to the body tends to be warmer tonally than 14, and there are some 13 fretters out there). x brace, ladder brace or other brace makes a HUGE difference - i was playing a couple ladder braced guitars yesterday, and they were so different from modern x-braced guitars.
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Never, ever, ever judge the way an acoustic guitar sounds from youtube. Even the people that do it really well like Soundpure. There's nothing like holding the guitar in your hands and feeling the way it resonates and the way it sounds in the room. I'd never buy an acoustic guitar without playing it first. ESPECIALLY for 3400.


I'm going to Quebec City this Saturday, I've managed to trade in my Les Paul and Pay 1600, taxes included.

The guitar is reserved, I'm going to try it Saturday. If I like it, I leave with it.
If not, we agreed I'd try it first.

I'll keep you guys updated!

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#23
good luck ! where are you driving from? there's a really good article in the new issue of Wood & Steel ( Taylor's magazine) on wood properties and how they effect a guitars sound. i just got it in the mail same day you posted this thread.
#24
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good luck ! where are you driving from? there's a really good article in the new issue of Wood & Steel ( Taylor's magazine) on wood properties and how they effect a guitars sound. i just got it in the mail same day you posted this thread.


I live 2 hours north of Quebec city. Very close from the Boucher factory.

I'm going Tomorrow. At the first store they have many Martins and the other store I'm going they have Boucher and Taylors.
I'm going to try acoustics all day and try to make my mind!

I'll let you guys know once I come back.
#25
I ended up trying a Martin M-36, a Taylor 812, Taylor 312, Boucher 000 Mahogany and Boucher 000 Rosewood.

I went with the Boucher 000 Rosewood. By far the best instrument I've tried, even from the other Boucher.

I've gave them 20% and I'm going back in a month to pick it up!
#26
does it have a sitka or adi top - or some other wood? i've heard recordings of boucher 000 guitars (studio goose), and found one i had heard recently. here's one i heard recently - adi over rosewood http://www.paramountguitars.net/gtr/BoucherStudioGoose000ra.htm is yours like that one?
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does it have a sitka or adi top - or some other wood? i've heard recordings of boucher 000 guitars (studio goose), and found one i had heard recently. here's one i heard recently - adi over rosewood http://www.paramountguitars.net/gtr/BoucherStudioGoose000ra.htm is yours like that one?



It's a 2011 Studio Indian Goose 000 with adirondack top and rosewood back and sides.

http://www.guitareboucher.com/content/view/3235/399/lang,fr/