Adrian89
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Now I have a new work and money, I'm planning to invest a little quantity in a new head to compliment my JCM 900 SLX. Im looking for versatility, the opposite from the SL-X but maintaining the great tone.
I have looked Spider valves, VYPYRS tube, H&K Statesman and a peavey XXX but I cant decide and need some advice.
I will spent 600-700 euros for a second hand unit
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What do you need the amp to be able to do?

What bands-albums-songs have tones you'd like to be able to get?
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Offworld92
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Is your budget flexible at all? It sounds like a 3ch Mesa Dual Rectifier would suit you well. You can get them used for around $800 fairly easily if you look around for a bit.

EDIT: Not sure what they run for where you live though.
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Quote by Offworld92
Is your budget flexible at all? It sounds like a 3ch Mesa Dual Rectifier would suit you well. You can get them used for around $800 fairly easily if you look around for a bit.

EDIT: Not sure what they run for where you live though.


I dont really like the Boogie type of sound, so Im basically a marshall high gain oriented player, but I also enjoy 5150ish kind of brutality that's why I was looking for the amps I written before, having several kinds of sounds together.
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Well the 5150 II / 6505+ is a psuedo 3 channel amp (2 channels w/ 2 modes for clean/crunch). It has okay cleans, they're just a little dull. If you want 5150 tone, nothing else will do it but a 5150. The 6505 model on the Vypyr sounds like a recorded/post EQ'd 6505 sounds like. It's pretty good, but it doesn't have the sheer raw balls that a real 5150 has.
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#9
Yea check out a Marshall JCM DSL 100. They have great cleans, and that marshall rock tone in it. It can do metal with a good OD or boost and it has 2 channels, each with 2 modes. Plus spring reverb and an effects loop.

I dont like the new DSL 100s. The JCMs are better in my opinion.
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#10
Quote by Adrian89
I dont really like the Boogie type of sound, so Im basically a marshall high gain oriented player, but I also enjoy 5150ish kind of brutality that's why I was looking for the amps I written before, having several kinds of sounds together.


i am not trying to push anything, but what about mesa tone don't you like? mesa has a very broad spectrum of amps. Mark's sound totally different than Recs, then there are a whole ton of lesser known equally great models.

for example i am pretty sure most of them can swap in different tubes. you can throw a pair of EL34's in a MKIV (only two but you need to throw a switch and you will be pure EL34) just a thought.

so basically if you could describe why you don't like them then maybe we can help you in another direction.

mesa's aren't the amp for everybody.

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if you are looking for a lot of flexibility you could look for an Egnater Renegade. i owned one for a year or two and they pretty much did it all. some of the features are what i would consider gimmicky, but there is good tone to be had. not overly high gain.

i know a few people on here who really digging kranks. i don't remember the last time i played a krank, but it was quite a while ago. the + series seem to be the only 'good' ones.... definitely not for everybody.

Fryette? may be able to get a deliverance for that.
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Quote by trashedlostfdup
i am not trying to push anything, but what about mesa tone don't you like? mesa has a very broad spectrum of amps. Mark's sound totally different than Recs, then there are a whole ton of lesser known equally great models.

for example i am pretty sure most of them can swap in different tubes. you can throw a pair of EL34's in a MKIV (only two but you need to throw a switch and you will be pure EL34) just a thought.

so basically if you could describe why you don't like them then maybe we can help you in another direction.

mesa's aren't the amp for everybody.

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if you are looking for a lot of flexibility you could look for an Egnater Renegade. i owned one for a year or two and they pretty much did it all. some of the features are what i would consider gimmicky, but there is good tone to be had. not overly high gain.

i know a few people on here who really digging kranks. i don't remember the last time i played a krank, but it was quite a while ago. the + series seem to be the only 'good' ones.... definitely not for everybody.

Fryette? may be able to get a deliverance for that.


I dont really dig the tipe of grain of the Mesa's distortion, it's just personal preference. Also I'm limited by the amount and the price of second hand heads in Madrid, they are expensive and limited in variety.
Right now, my only options are:
- Peavey VYPYR tube 120
- Spider valve 100hd
- Vetta II head (not sure if still available
- Marshall JCM 2000 TSL60
- H&K Dual Statesman
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#12
Quote by Adrian89
I dont really dig the tipe of grain of the Mesa's distortion, it's just personal preference. Also I'm limited by the amount and the price of second hand heads in Madrid, they are expensive and limited in variety.
Right now, my only options are:
- Peavey VYPYR tube 120
- Spider valve 100hd
- Vetta II head (not sure if still available
- Marshall JCM 2000 TSL60
- H&K Dual Statesman


Not to argue as they are stupid expensive over there, as well as rare but you missed his point. The Mark and Rectifier series have completely different distortion and characteristics. Vastly different. Also the Royal Atlantic from Mesa is more of a british flavor- probably still over budget but more to your liking. Might be something worth looking into for the future.

Back on point- the TSL series isn't as good as the DSL. I'd try to find one a DSL 50 or 100. Worth the effort and wait.

Happy searching
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#13
a cheap solution would be a Jet City JCA50H or 100H.

For a $500 amp, they sound pretty sweet. Very similar to a Soldano hot rod.
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Offworld92
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#14
Quote by Adrian89

Right now, my only options are:
- Peavey VYPYR tube 120
- Spider valve 100hd
- Vetta II head (not sure if still available
- Marshall JCM 2000 TSL60
- H&K Dual Statesman


Vypyr Tube and Vetta II are the best options on there. Vetta is much more flexible. I think the sound quality is arguable. I like both amps a lot, but I haven't spent enough time with a Vetta to say if it sounds better or worse than the Vypyr. FWIW, the Vetta & HD147 (and arguably the DT50) are the only modeling heads out there that I would say contend with the VYpyr.
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Quote by Offworld92
Vypyr Tube and Vetta II are the best options on there. Vetta is much more flexible. I think the sound quality is arguable. I like both amps a lot, but I haven't spent enough time with a Vetta to say if it sounds better or worse than the Vypyr. FWIW, the Vetta & HD147 (and arguably the DT50) are the only modeling heads out there that I would say contend with the VYpyr.


The vetta now is sold so now I only have in my list the VYPYR and the SPIDER VALVE. Only have experience with the SV and was an amazing amp, sounds great but im curious about the VyPYR, is it that good?
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#16
Used Marshall TSL. However, since you can afford the TSL, you may also want to consider a peavey JSX for the same general used price and XXX for less, just to add another option.
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Quote by Adrian89
The vetta now is sold so now I only have in my list the VYPYR and the SPIDER VALVE. Only have experience with the SV and was an amazing amp, sounds great but im curious about the VyPYR, is it that good?


You liking it is the most important thing. If you like the SV and it works for you, then go for it.

That said, I'm of the opinion that the SV is a joke. I think it sounds like crap compared to the Vypyr Tube, and it has very limited flexibility. I think the Vypyr is limited, the the Spider is even moreso. Add the fact that it costs 2x as much and I would never consider it. The only redeeming value it has is that it looks really cool.

IMO.
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Quote by Offworld92
You liking it is the most important thing. If you like the SV and it works for you, then go for it.

That said, I'm of the opinion that the SV is a joke. I think it sounds like crap compared to the Vypyr Tube, and it has very limited flexibility. I think the Vypyr is limited, the the Spider is even moreso. Add the fact that it costs 2x as much and I would never consider it. The only redeeming value it has is that it looks really cool.

IMO.



Why do you think they're limited? Im interested in your opinion, really.
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Wait, are you wanting something to use alongside the 900 or something to use instead of the 900?
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Offworld92
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Quote by Adrian89
Why do you think they're limited? Im interested in your opinion, really.


I did some looking and it looks like the SV is a lot more flexible than I thought it was (a lot more than the regular Spiders anyway). Apparently it has 20 FX, with up to 4 at once. The 4 at once is nice - the Vypyr Tube can only do 2 at once (& Delay & Reverb). That's what I mean by it's very limited. Still, if you ever have need for more than 4 FX simultaneously, then you're SOL. I don't like being limited like that.
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#21
I vote Vypyr 60 but that is just because I hate the Spider Valve. Sure you can dial in some decent tones with it but overall it is a bit too computer sounding for me and not user friendly.

Also, I'm reading on the Peavey site you can use up to 5 effects simultaneously Offworld.

How does that work?

http://www.peavey.com/products/vypyr/
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#22
Spider Valve, extremely user friendly, gett he FBV pedal board for it aswell, spend a little time tweaking the settings (master volume & channel volume mainly on the presets) and your good to go.
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#23
No idea. Maybe they count the looper?

Anyway yeah definitely agreed on the Spider sounding digital.
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#24
Quote by Offworld92
No idea. Maybe they count the looper?

Anyway yeah definitely agreed on the Spider sounding digital.


+1 the is the first line 6 'spider' i took seriously when demoing it. it didn't deliver IMO (just like every other amp with 'spider' in it's name). i didn't like it, seemed overly complicated. you could dial in a tone, but i would never go on stage with one.

as far as what line6 did right was the cab... 4x12" V30's and they go for $250 used all day. can't beat that if you need a cab and want V30's.

the vypyr tube is richer, stupidly simple and it sounds good and all around better.

the only thing i don't know goes for both of them. the foot switch.

how much does the foot switch do for the Line6 (i didn't have a chance to try one either.

and how much does the sanpera II do from peavey? (from what i have seen a lot), but never have played one.
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#25
The Sanpera II is great. Besides the obvious letting you switch between your patches and having a looper, it has a manual mode which lets you control both of your FX, your delay and your reverb manually (the 1-4 buttons do that when the mode is changed).

It has a separate wah and volume pedal, so you don't have to toggle between them or select them as one of your FX, they're both always there.
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#26
Im not an effects player myself, but I also enjoy chaining some of them so 4 is cool for me. Im extremely exceptical about the peavey, just because it looks cheap, but is really more "versatile" and with that I mean more stompboxes and more options.
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#27
The SV is probably slightly more versatile in terms of FX.

Have you played a Vypyr Tube? I strongly agree with 311 & trashedlostfdup that it sounds far superior (meaning, it sounds far more "real") than the SV.

It does look cheap and ugly, I agree. Mainly because the controls are on the top - that's never a good look. But the sound is there.
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#28
Quote by Offworld92
The SV is probably slightly more versatile in terms of FX.

Have you played a Vypyr Tube? I strongly agree with 311 & trashedlostfdup that it sounds far superior (meaning, it sounds far more "real") than the SV.

It does look cheap and ugly, I agree. Mainly because the controls are on the top - that's never a good look. But the sound is there.

I owned a SV HD100 for several yrs and the FX are not that great, But I personaly think it sounds better and is more versitle than the Vypyr tube
It does take a long time to get patches that you are happy with(like over a yr for me)

Byut unless you need an extreme amount of versitility from an amp, don't think about the SV or Vypyr at all. Just get a good amp like a JSX,DSL,VH100r and be done with it. All 3 are versitile and much better than the Vypyr or the SV
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#29
After testing the two final amps, VYPYR and SPIDER VALVE, I've choosen the SPIDER VALVE MK II because it sounds better for my ears and seems better built. Also it has all the effects I'll need in years and sounds good enough for live situations, because my SLX will be always at the studio. Thanks for all the info, you guys rock!!

Don't hate the SV just because the presents, tweak 'em for a while, it worth the time.
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#30
With the spider, did you get the FBV? If not look atthe FBV express at the least, and get the spidervalve edit app for pc from line 6's site.

This lets you tweak all the presets and you own settings with ease on the pc, as a good starting point set the Master volume on the amp to 3/4, then on the presets change all the channel volumes to 30 and the pedal min vol to 4 and pedal max vol to 40. This is were after hours of tweaking i found the best spot to be, from there you can adjust accordingly.
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#31
Congrats you found something that works for you

This is why trying stuff is really important - the majority opinion doesn't always apply to everyone.
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#32
Quote by Dragonrose
With the spider, did you get the FBV? If not look atthe FBV express at the least, and get the spidervalve edit app for pc from line 6's site.

This lets you tweak all the presets and you own settings with ease on the pc, as a good starting point set the Master volume on the amp to 3/4, then on the presets change all the channel volumes to 30 and the pedal min vol to 4 and pedal max vol to 40. This is were after hours of tweaking i found the best spot to be, from there you can adjust accordingly.


Yes I do, the FBV express was included, of course
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-http://backtorlyeh.bandcamp.com/
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#34
Sweet ! When do we get a NAD? Hopefully with some clips?
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Quote by R45VT
Sweet ! When do we get a NAD? Hopefully with some clips?


Next week for sure, we have two holidays and will be difficult to pick up the package. I need to be patient and I can't.
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-Bunch of pedals ( WD,BM,NR-2...)
-Ibanez Universe uv777pbk,Rg 2550&321mh
-http://backtorlyeh.bandcamp.com/