#1
So I'm making the move from digital to analog effects, from my Line 6 Pod, and now I am gathering research and information to start assembling my first pedal board. First off, I play a lot of hard rock and metal, so my first choice I've made is the Boss Metal Zone for my distortion pedal, where most of my distortion is going to come from, as I do not have a budget to afford a high-end high gain amp. Now I am leaning towards a tube screamer for an overdrive pedal, as I am under the impression that it will really increase the warmth and saturation of my tone, for leads, and as long as the level on the tube screamer is high, especially higher than my metal zone, it will really help my tone pop through the mix, in a live band setting. Is this assumption correct? I am also confused as to where a compressor would or would not be needed, for my genre.
#3
From what I know the tube screamer will push your gain more, especially for lead parts. As far as a compressor pedal, it's nice to have and would be put in front of your distortion pedals. I play hard rock and metal also, among other genres, and I use a compressor pedal, and to me it makes my tone more even.
I agree with Random3 the metal zone is not that great for distortion, but it might be helpful as a beginner distortion pedal so you can find out what kind of distortion pedal you want in the future.
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#4
if you are just starting out, do yourself a favor, go on ebay, get joyo pedals. they are clones of REALLY EXPENSIVE pedals. get the joyo ultimate drive-clone of OCD as your pre gain, get the joyo crunch distortion-clone of mi audio crunchbox, get the joyo 6band eq, and joyo digital delay. you really dont need to spend all kinds of money, but these 44 dollar pedals will give you ENDLESS tone options...trust me. u dont want a metal zone. these pedals are on youtube too. joyo.
#5
By angry bee hive you mean buzzing? I plan on getting a noise gate too. I have a randall sc200 and I've read mostly good things on the metal zone, such as the 660 ratings with a 5 star average on musicians friend. and I'm not against used gear at all, thats the only pedal i've already decided on that I've already ordered for 30... worth a try at least
#6
By angry beehive I mean the tone it gives you is just a fizzy trebly mess.

EDIT: Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uut1ol_HfCU

This all depends on what album you are going to use. If the amp is crap then there's not a lot of point buying a bunch of pedals, no matter how good they are.
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#7
Quote by Hunterlevi
By angry bee hive you mean buzzing? I plan on getting a noise gate too. I have a randall sc200 and I've read mostly good things on the metal zone, such as the 660 ratings with a 5 star average on musicians friend. and I'm not against used gear at all, thats the only pedal i've already decided on that I've already ordered for 30... worth a try at least


I have had a Metal Zone for 12 months, bought it over all the 5 stars review. Please, don't buy it. It's pure shit.

EDIT: Also, noise gates only eliminate the noise when you are not playing. They don't interfere with the distortion tone, and can't eliminate the "angry bee hive" Dimebaggy sound.
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#8
Quote by Random3
By angry beehive I mean the tone it gives you is just a fizzy trebly mess.

EDIT: Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uut1ol_HfCU

This all depends on what album you are going to use. If the amp is crap then there's not a lot of point buying a bunch of pedals, no matter how good they are.

I think the guy in the video doesn't know how EQs works... Come one, scooping the mids? The frequencies that a guitar lets out are mids... Might as well turn down your volume if you don't want anyone to hear you...
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I think the guy in the video doesn't know how EQs works... Come one, scooping the mids? The frequencies that a guitar lets out are mids... Might as well turn down your volume if you don't want anyone to hear you...


The frequency ranges labelled as low, mid and high are relative. The EQ on that pedal will not be covering 20hz to 20khz, which is the range humans can hear, it will be covering something much smaller. You are correct that guitars are a midrange instrument, but that doesn't mean that by dialling out the mids you may as well just turn the volume down. It doesn't work like that. In a band situation, or when mixing, yes you will generally want plenty of mids, but when playing solo it is entirely personal preference.

Anyway, as with the guy a couple of posts up, I used to own a Metal Zone way back when I had a Marshall MG, and I thought "AMG it makes me sound like B4MV". Looking back I realise it actually sounded horrible.
#10
Honestly the metal zone isn't that bad.
Its not worth the money and i kinda wish I never bought it, I don't really use it anymore. But with the mids full on both the amp and the pedal and then tweaking the mid freq there were some decent tones.
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#11
I'll agree that it isn't that bad in the same way that, say, a Line 6 Spider or a Marshall MG isn't that bad. If you are a beginner, need something to play through and manage to find one incredibly cheap then they will do the job, but there are much better alternatives.
#12
Quote by Random3
The frequency ranges labelled as low, mid and high are relative. The EQ on that pedal will not be covering 20hz to 20khz, which is the range humans can hear, it will be covering something much smaller. You are correct that guitars are a midrange instrument, but that doesn't mean that by dialling out the mids you may as well just turn the volume down. It doesn't work like that. In a band situation, or when mixing, yes you will generally want plenty of mids, but when playing solo it is entirely personal preference.

Anyway, as with the guy a couple of posts up, I used to own a Metal Zone way back when I had a Marshall MG, and I thought "AMG it makes me sound like B4MV". Looking back I realise it actually sounded horrible.

I was talking about when you play in a band, because you'll get buried in the mix if you scoop your mids. But it isn't better to boost your mids to the max, obviously, since you're going to be too "present", if I may say so, in the mix. Of course, when you are all alone and miserable and playing by yourself, do whatever sounds good to you man!
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Quote by Hunterlevi
So what are UG opions on good distortions pedals then?


Well what kinda sound are you looking for? Based on the metalzone I'm guessing modern ultra high gain metal?
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#15
what amp are you using?
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#16
IMHO, having built a very comprehensive board over a few years, just get a Line 6 M13 with expression pedal and be done with it. Can't be beat in my opinion. By the time you're done buying pedals, board, power supplies and cables to connect it all and then consider all the time spent determining what order and what pedal to get next...at the end of the day you'll save much money, effort and aggravation and free up more time for playing.

If you're constrained to just starting with a pedal or two for now so be it. A good OD and Wah should be early purchases. Skip the compressor...you'll be underwhelmed by the minor affect it has. And I second the what amp question, especially if your intention is to build a complete rig from scratch.
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#17
Right now I'm playing a Randall SC200. I currently have a podhd500, but am just tired of it. I am looking to play hard rock and metal
#18
But anyways, I really like everything I've heard online rrom the Metal Zone. Perhaps my opinion of tone is skewed because of my years with spiders and pods, but I really like what I'm hearing in the aforementioned dimebagginess, which I like, obviously since I own a solid state Randall. Regardless of opinions on the metal zone this thread has gotten far away from my question. Will adding and overdrive pedal, such as a tube screamer, and raising the volume of the OD pedal increase my overall volume, warmth and saturation when I turn it on, strictly for soloing purposes
#19
using a tubescreamer like that tends to work better with tube amps. That's not to say it definitely won't work with your randall, at least to some extent, but don't buy it assuming it's gonna work, kind of thing.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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#20
Quote by Hunterlevi
But anyways, I really like everything I've heard online rrom the Metal Zone. Perhaps my opinion of tone is skewed because of my years with spiders and pods, but I really like what I'm hearing in the aforementioned dimebagginess, which I like, obviously since I own a solid state Randall. Regardless of opinions on the metal zone this thread has gotten far away from my question. Will adding and overdrive pedal, such as a tube screamer, and raising the volume of the OD pedal increase my overall volume, warmth and saturation when I turn it on, strictly for soloing purposes

It depends. Of course, in front on a nice tube amplifier, increasing the volume and overdrive with a pedal almost always sounds good.
However, in my experience, overdrive pedal mixed with another distortion pedal or overdrive from your solid state amplifier pretty much ruins your sound (you get too much unnatural overtones a.k.a. buzzing and hissing).
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#21
if you're putting it all through a metal zone, the answer to your question is no.

anyone with tone maturity knows to keep the gain as low as possible to get the breakup and feel you want. a metal zone is going to respond the same no matter how hard you pick, which is with the finesse of a rhinoceros in pottery class. you will be constantly turning up your volume to cut through because they offer no clarity and are just all around awful to hear. any audience that has to withstand that sound for an entire set is going to cringe if they don't just leave first. that sound you hear is what is commonly referred to as "bedroom tone".

ps if you're no longer digging the hd500, going to a metal zone is a step backward in my opinion. you can find good used tube heads for under $600 if you look hard enough. i suggest you go to a few shops and try some out to get an idea.
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#22
Quote by TheNameOfNoone

However, in my experience, overdrive pedal mixed with another distortion pedal


pedal stacking can sound really good, IMO. granted, you need to use pedals that sound together and roll back the gain a bit (and i'm talking about into a tube amp, so how it sounds into an SS amp, i dunno), but yeah.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#23
if you stack an OD after a distortion, even a good sounding distortion, it will compress it even more than it was before. not to say it's bad but considering the metal zone isn't the best stacking any OD after it won't help anything, and like Dave mentioned this is all going into a SS amp, it's not gonna do the same thing as a tube amp. Doesn't the Randell have gain to it? I'm not familiar with those amps.
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I would recommend the marshal MG100

Very versatile and quality sound. It should treat you well
#24
normally if you put an od after a distortion (assuming you have it set up like a pseudo-clean boost) it boosts the amp more (i.e. it acts like an od pedal used as a boost normally does). if you put it in front of the distortion pedal (again, set up to boost) it compresses the distortion pedal way more. Again... personally I think that sounds pretty good. But I'd agree that the metal zone probably isn't the best pedal to use for that type of thing. a crunch box or a rat or something like that works pretty well used like that.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#25
Quote by Dave_Mc
normally if you put an od after a distortion (assuming you have it set up like a pseudo-clean boost) it boosts the amp more (i.e. it acts like an od pedal used as a boost normally does). if you put it in front of the distortion pedal (again, set up to boost) it compresses the distortion pedal way more. Again... personally I think that sounds pretty good. But I'd agree that the metal zone probably isn't the best pedal to use for that type of thing. a crunch box or a rat or something like that works pretty well used like that.

yeah i agree, i don't normally stack OD w/ dist i just stack 2 ODs...the whole clean boost thing is important to mention too, the few times I 've done it w/dist it might not have been setup that way, i don't remember, which is where i felt the compression came in.

regardless i feel that isn't going to get the answer you want TS, but definitely look into a Rat pedal for instance instead of the MZ, love that thing...a lot of folk do
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#26
^ yeah it just generally gives you more options using a lower gain dirt box, and stacking dirt boxes means you can get the same amount of gain, and it normally sounds more like a high gain tube amp (to my ears, anyway) that way, too.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#28
haven't tried the metalcore. the megadistortion is a bit meh, but it's probably more versatile than the metalzone.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#29
Metal Core is essentially Metal Zone without the mid knobs. I compared them on my amp not while ago, and the ML2 sounded...squashed. In a bad way. Like when you add too much lows to the highest gain distortion you have. And it doesn't have middle knobs, so Metal Zone > Metal core all the way.

EDIT: Everything else > Metal Zone > Metal Core
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#30
really? metal core is worse than the metal zone? damn. was planning to get a metal core. metal zone really does sound like a beehive.

just planning have one. just on of the three. so maybe i'll try the megadistortion then?
#31
Wait, if you have an HD500, then just turn off the amp and cab models and use it for effects only. It has excellent effects, and a built in expression/volume/wah to boot. And even though people, myself included, tend to talk some crap bout the distortion models, they are actually very good. If you haven't tried this, then save a bunch of money and do so.

I was thinking an M13 would be a great choice, but the HD500 has all of those effects too. Now if you want to just simplify, you should try to find someone to trade with. Trade the HD500 for the M13. That's trading complexity for simplicty and makes some sense if you just want the effects. The Line 6 Distortion might work well for you, as might the Rat model (classic distortion I think it's called), and maybe a couple others.

Edit: FWIW, I went through exactly what you're going through now. I bought a bunch of pedals and built a really sweet board, but now I find myself mostly just using the M13. It just has insane flexibility combined with simplicity.
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#32
Just re the Metal Zone, it really does suck and is a one trick pony. I'd go for a Rat with the original chip (incredibly versatile) and an OCD, and stack them. The other option is a Timmy in place of the OCD, but the Timmy only does the lower gain half of the OCD.

Also, as mentioned, clones like SUF are excellent.
#33
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#34
Quote by Dave_Mc
haven't tried the metalcore. the megadistortion is a bit meh, but it's probably more versatile than the metalzone.


I was quite disappointed the the one I tried.
My bass player had one he let me borrow for awhile.
Personally, I thought it sucked. But maybe it just doesn't work well with an AC30.

The Suhr Riot gets quite a bit of love around here though.

The Metal Zone is a flaming pile of shit.
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#35
The Barber Dirty Bomb would be worth a look too - but a good amp would be a better place to start.
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#36
Quote by CodeMonk
I was quite disappointed the the one I tried.
My bass player had one he let me borrow for awhile.
Personally, I thought it sucked. But maybe it just doesn't work well with an AC30.


yeah it's not great to be fair.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

Quote by dspellman
The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?