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#41
Quote by losing battle
They sound terrible at sane practice volumes and mediocre at band/gigging volumes yeah its better then a spider but let's be honest what amp isn't. My biggest problem is the models are barely in the ballpark of what they are trying to emulate. It's better then many previous offerings for practice amps but I want something a hell of a lot better under 700 USD for home practice. Considering there are a lot of apartment dwelling guitarists I'm supprised this market hasn't taken off yet.


there are the 1 watt marshalls (ripoff IMO)
there is IIRC the night train 4W, 1W, .25W
blackstar HT1
orange micro terror (still 20 watts, but has headphone options and audio in)

there are probably more as well, but they are getting better.

i think speaker sensitivity makes a big difference. it is measured (IIRC at 1 meter) away and 1 watt is applied. that can be 100 db, thats still pretty damn loud. there are some speakers down in the lower 90's and maybe some high 80's.

if you want tube it can only be so quiet, even 1 watt is loud dimed.
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#42
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#43
The Vypyr is the best sounding practice modeler on the market. What are you comparing it to? What are you expecting? A Vypyr 30 costs $200 - for that you get 24 FX, 24 amp models that use analog distortion (not digital modeling), USB, 1/8" TRS & MIDI out. $450 gets you all of that as well as a 60W tube poweramp.

What more are you expecting for that price range? What are you pitting it against that you think it sounds worse than?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and obviously I can't change it, but I've played a ****ton of amps and I believe that what you're saying is just straight up wrong. Terrible at sane practice volumes? Really? The Vypyr has possibly the best volume controls I've ever used.
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#44
Quote by Offworld92
The Vypyr is the best sounding practice modeler on the market. What are you comparing it to? What are you expecting? A Vypyr 30 costs $200 - for that you get 24 FX, 24 amp models that use analog distortion (not digital modeling), USB, 1/8" TRS & MIDI out. $450 gets you all of that as well as a 60W tube poweramp.

What more are you expecting for that price range? What are you pitting it against that you think it sounds worse than?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and obviously I can't change it, but I've played a ****ton of amps and I believe that what you're saying is just straight up wrong. Terrible at sane practice volumes? Really? The Vypyr has possibly the best volume controls I've ever used.


Yes, I can't say the vypyr ever blew me away, but in that range and for what its meant to do, its pretty damn untouchable.
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#45
Test Drives of equipment would be cool. Like a weekend rental of amps, gits, keyboards etc. Manufacturers could offer incentives to dealers to promote test drives of new equipment, co-op insurance on the units, and co-op advertizing.
This way potential buyers would really know what they're getting and be able to make solid informed decisions before they purchase.
Just as an aside, I recently bought a Peavey Vypyr 15 practice amp, love it, the coolest part is that the volume goes up to 13!!!!! I guess they got inspiration from "Spinal Tap".
#46
Quote by Offworld92
I'm waiting for a truly flexible hybrid modeler, then I'll probably have something close to a perfect amp for me. The Vypyr Tube is the closest around, but it's not nearly flexible enough. Something like a POD HD500, with a good tube poweramp like the Vypyr Tube has. Something that incorporates some tubes in the preamp as well like the Spider Valve, but has the flexibility I want (not to mention *good* tone*. )


I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

Hopefully.

*Disclaimer: IMO


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#47
Not exactly guitar, but a strobe light that you just plug in & there's a footswitch to turn it on and off.
#48
Quote by AndyGray
Not exactly guitar, but a strobe light that you just plug in & there's a footswitch to turn it on and off.


DMX controls.
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#49
The Strat warble/unfixable buzz. I know the scale length is not right for unwound G's, but come on!!!

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#50
Quote by tas38
I want a perfect intonation pedal. We all know its impossible to have a guitar absolutely perfect with intonation except maybe those special ibanez guitars with the crazy frets. If a pedal could take every note it hears and tune it to be perfect to whatever note its closest too. Then you could maybe use it for alternate tunings. It couldn't go from standard to dropped obviously, but maybe it could drop the whole guitar a half step or full step 2 steps etc


It's not a pedal, but you could yank the guts out of the guitar and mount them in an enclosure on your pedalboard if you wanted to:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PVAT200Bk?gclid=CND_2PruhrYCFUWd4AodhXEAdg
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#51
Is it wrong that I want an amp that actually sounds good at tv volume?
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#52
there's plenty of amps that sound great at TV volumes, an amp doesn't have to be cranked to sound great
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#53
Quote by jetwash69
It's not a pedal, but you could yank the guts out of the guitar and mount them in an enclosure on your pedalboard if you wanted to:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PVAT200Bk?gclid=CND_2PruhrYCFUWd4AodhXEAdg


That looks very interesting but I just thought of something, what happens when you bend a note in that situation? I would guess once you passed a quarter step it would jump to the next note.
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#54
More guitar design innovation. Still basically playing guitars designed in the 50s, they are said to be the best but meh, the old stuff is great, especially tube stuff that was abandoned long ago by everything else. But I like to see completely new concepts once in a while.

Newer tech could be better to me if quality is there. I'd like to see different neck designs, maybe fretless above the 22 fret for a bit, half strings. half frets, weird stuff, more ergonomic bodies, necks, midi and piezo pups. I saw that one with all the flashing shit that you tap instead of pick, that's at least doing something new.

In reality if I think about it more a good SStrat and FR with a tube amp is about as good as it gets I guess
#55
Quote by tas38
That looks very interesting but I just thought of something, what happens when you bend a note in that situation? I would guess once you passed a quarter step it would jump to the next note.


Look it up on YouTube. They've done some brainstorming on it. GC caries them, so you can check it out for yourself if they aren't sold out.
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#57
Quote by jetwash69
Look it up on YouTube. They've done some brainstorming on it. GC caries them, so you can check it out for yourself if they aren't sold out.


I want this in pedal form now.
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#58
More amp designers like that jerk over at CEC. He's crazy...crazy awesome.
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#59
Quote by Offworld92
The Vypyr is the best sounding practice modeler on the market. What are you comparing it to? What are you expecting? A Vypyr 30 costs $200 - for that you get 24 FX, 24 amp models that use analog distortion (not digital modeling), USB, 1/8" TRS & MIDI out. $450 gets you all of that as well as a 60W tube poweramp.

What more are you expecting for that price range? What are you pitting it against that you think it sounds worse than?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and obviously I can't change it, but I've played a ****ton of amps and I believe that what you're saying is just straight up wrong. Terrible at sane practice volumes? Really? The Vypyr has possibly the best volume controls I've ever used.

IMO, the Roland Cube series is the best practice amp series on the market, but that's just me.
#60
Quote by Reincaster
Line 6 DT series?


I was really excited for the DT. I thought that that would be the answer for me.

But unfortunately, it falls completely on it's face for modern (death) metal tones. Which is the primary tone I need.

And this is completely besides the point, but the aesthetics are pretty meh to me. If I was interested in it, I would wish they offered a cab with black grill cloth instead of brown.
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#61
Quote by Nico the Great
IMO, the Roland Cube series is the best practice amp series on the market, but that's just me.


At least you didn't say the Line 6 Spider series or the Marshall MG series.

Have you gotten deep into Mustangs or Vypyrs? What do you like better about the Roland?

I'm a big fan of Roland digital pianos and V-drums. IMHO, I haven't seen that kind of leadership in the practice amp world. Their JC amps are arguably among best for the jazz genre and some other applications, but I'm really curious about your rationale for prefering the Cubes over Mustangs and Vypyrs.

Incidentally, I don't own any Fender or Peavey amps, myself and never have, but I've tested them, along with Cubes, a lot.
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#62
Quote by Offworld92
I was really excited for the DT. I thought that that would be the answer for me.

But unfortunately, it falls completely on it's face for modern (death) metal tones. Which is the primary tone I need.

And this is completely besides the point, but the aesthetics are pretty meh to me. If I was interested in it, I would wish they offered a cab with black grill cloth instead of brown.


They had an update recently that added like, 30 more amp models, not sure if you tried that, but it might be worth a second look. Also, I tried on with the stock speaker, and then we put in a G12K100, much better!
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#63
Quote by Offworld92
Well Ibanez has a few pedals, but for the most part it's just like "WE ARE IBANEZ. HERE IS TUBESCREAMER". And that's all they really do. Whereas it seems like every year Boss is bringing some new idea to the table, like they just released the MultiOvertone and the Feedbacker/Booster.

Maybe not completely original ideas, but... at least adding more to the selection for someone looking for that kind of thing.

hahaha ok gotcha

edit: that made me lol.
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#64
Quote by Tempoe
More guitar design innovation. Still basically playing guitars designed in the 50s, they are said to be the best but meh, the old stuff is great, especially tube stuff that was abandoned long ago by everything else. But I like to see completely new concepts once in a while.

Newer tech could be better to me if quality is there. I'd like to see different neck designs, maybe fretless above the 22 fret for a bit, half strings. half frets, weird stuff, more ergonomic bodies, necks, midi and piezo pups. I saw that one with all the flashing shit that you tap instead of pick, that's at least doing something new.

In reality if I think about it more a good SStrat and FR with a tube amp is about as good as it gets I guess

Have you been living under a rock?

Stop looking at major brands and take a look at guys like Strandberg*, Rick Toone. I could go on and on about people making awesome instruments.

All the stuff you listed is out there, you just have to go through non-major brands.

None of that stuff will ever become standard though.
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#65
^ There's Agile too, which basically spurred the market for ERGs. After they started getting big, it seemed like Ibanez (and ESP to a lesser extent) started jumping on the 7&8 string wagon.

Agile also offers multi-scale guitars, hopefully we'll start to see some of that in the big names.
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